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krott5333
12-04-2007, 10:13 AM
could someone please do this, using this thread? It would be nice to have a play-by-play of what is said, audience reactions, etc.

No other comments or commentary in this thread please.

any takers?

castor
12-04-2007, 10:14 AM
That would be great! Im at work and can't watch it. If we could get a stenographer for this it would be much appreciated. haha

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:16 AM
I'm watching while working at home. I will happy to give it my best shot!! Stay tuned - he's not on yet.

Dorfsmith
12-04-2007, 10:16 AM
I'm watching while working at home. I will happy to give it my best shot!! Stay tuned - he's not on yet.

Thank you! :cool:

bp2519
12-04-2007, 10:16 AM
are there lots of us at work not working watching this thread? :D

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:17 AM
are there lots of us at work not working watching this thread? :D

Maybe. ;)

Stealth4
12-04-2007, 10:17 AM
Maybe. ;)

has it been on yet?

Knowguy
12-04-2007, 10:18 AM
IM guessing he hasn't been on yet

krott5333
12-04-2007, 10:18 AM
has it been on yet?

HUSH

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:18 AM
the bottom of the screen said "still ahead - Ron Paul" but he's not on yet.

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:18 AM
are there lots of us at work not working watching this thread? :D

One of the hosts:

"I never thought I would see the day the Canadian Dollar was worth more than the US Dollar"

Ron is not on yet... just thought it was a good comment -- I am sure Ron was listening back stage. :)

bp2519
12-04-2007, 10:19 AM
what do they talk about on this show?

crhoades
12-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Now talking about Paul...

krott5333
12-04-2007, 10:19 AM
Now talking about Paul...

details please

crhoades
12-04-2007, 10:20 AM
going to ask him about pro-choice

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:20 AM
They are talking about him now: Joy says:

he's not a front runner like guiliani or well coifed Romney. Also about he is for home schooling.

he's a libertarian - hates the war in iraq - he has other things that he says - he's not pro-choice so I want to ask him about that. I don't want the govnmt in my uterus.

"showing his picture right now". talking about him delivering babies.

crhoades
12-04-2007, 10:20 AM
Picture this man while you're in stirrups. They want him to deliver their baby.

Brought up homeschooling.

Talking about ending the death tax - Whoopi.

This is going to be good!

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:21 AM
Oh, the ladies know some of his positions...this is good!

FSP-Rebel
12-04-2007, 10:21 AM
They just briefly mentioned RP in regards to homeschooling. They just mentioned his anti-war stance and will ask him about abortion. Talkin about him quite well and mentioned they wouldn't mind him delivering their babies...

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:21 AM
whoppie - "get rid of the death tax" Now whoppie explaining death tax and no taxation with representation.

break to commercial

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:21 AM
This looks like it is going to be AWESOME for Ron....

OMG....

FSP-Rebel
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
They (the ladies) were just going off against the death tax!

Peppy690
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
lol wow..these ladies are driving me nuts..i laughed so hard when they started talking about him being someones gyno

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
I haven't watched The View much but they seem to be giving him a pretty balanced shake in their intro. to him. Ad's now.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
Whoopi went off on the death tax, that is a positive for Dr. Paul if she brings that up.

I think Dr. Paul will charm this group. At least, I hope so.

Ibtz
12-04-2007, 10:22 AM
Thanks for doing this guys!

icon124
12-04-2007, 10:23 AM
well i dont like that they were making fun of how he looked lmao

GeorgiaRPFan
12-04-2007, 10:23 AM
Thanks for this thread. I'm at work and can't catch the View until I get home and watch it recorded.

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:23 AM
Thanks for doing this guys!


Ditto....it's like someone telling you about sex when you've never experienced it.
I mean...I want to be there doing it myself...but this is the next best thing.


(OK...poor analogy) :D

Ibtz
12-04-2007, 10:24 AM
Is Elizabeth Hasselbeck still on this show? She's the only "conservative" among the bunch.

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
well i dont like that they were making fun of how he looked lmao

"I never seen a gyno with the American Flag behind him" :p

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
One of them said he reminds them of Marcus Welby, MD.

bp2519
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
I think he would have had a lot more impact if Elizabeth Hasselbeck were on the show... oh well

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
Is Elizabeth Hasselbeck still on this show? She's the only "conservative" among the bunch.

I think she might be on maternity leave, iirc

Which in this case is probably good for Dr Paul. The only clips I've seen are where she's very pro-war.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:25 AM
Is Elizabeth Hasselbeck still on this show? She's the only "conservative" among the bunch.

She's not on today, I think maternity leave?

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:26 AM
When talking about the death tax Whoopi mentioned not wanting what she leaves to her children to be eaten away at. Hope Ron Paul can tie that into national debt and foreign policy.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:26 AM
Okay, they're back, still at the table and chatting.

Don't know their format because I don't watch this show.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:26 AM
back on - but still no Ron

StateofTrance
12-04-2007, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the updates :p

rockwell
12-04-2007, 10:28 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=47001

Sorry missed this thread when I wrote this.

Mods want to move it, merge maybe?

JordanL
12-04-2007, 10:29 AM
Thanks for the play-by-play! Keep it up! (And youtube when complete plz)

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:30 AM
Okay, some of these girls aren't too smart.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:30 AM
now they are talking about Greeks (as in from Greece)!

I wish they would get on with it already!!

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:30 AM
They are still talking to eachother, no Ron. Earlier, before the commercial break Joy did mention clearly that Ron Paul is a Republican Presidential candidate and she mentioned that he is a libertarian who believes in personal freedom. She said that she wants to ask his opinion on personal freedom/his personal pro-life views.

If this plays out the way this talk sounds like it may it could be really food for Ron.

bp2519
12-04-2007, 10:31 AM
what's the hold up? don't the realize they have the best politician since jefferson waiting around?

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:31 AM
They are still talking to eachother, no Ron. Earlier, before the commercial break Joy did mention clearly that Ron Paul is a Republican Presidential candidate and she mentioned that he is a libertarian who believes in personal freedom. She said that she wants to ask his opinion on personal freedom/his personal pro-life views.

If this plays out the way this talk sounds like it may it could be really food for Ron.

Is he going to EAT the hosts? :rolleyes:

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:31 AM
and no talk show could be complete without mentioning Paris Hilton (like they just did)

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:32 AM
The guys here are always wondering why there aren't more female Ron Paul supporters.

Just watch the View and know that the majority of their audience is female and that should tell you why :D

I'm glad Dr Paul is on there! This will give him new revolutionaries!!

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:32 AM
break for commercial - be right back with Abigail somebody

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:32 AM
They're giving away shoes online.

That got huge applause. lol.

Christine
12-04-2007, 10:33 AM
Would love play by play....cannot get video at work!

Ibtz
12-04-2007, 10:33 AM
These women would vote for Edwards or Romney just for their hair.

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:33 AM
It sounds like someone else is on before Ron Paul.

They just got a $100 gift card for that online Piper Lime shoe store...not sure I'm convinced about the guys in the audience being that enthusiastic, they were all clapping and cheering.


Ky jelly ad....now kitty litter..

JPFromTally
12-04-2007, 10:33 AM
Eeesh... What a bunch of yentas.

BizmanUSA
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Maybe RP could give out a mini inflatable Ron Paul Blimp for the audience swag bags! :D LOL

Commercial break again on this end

Tim724
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Ky jelly ad....now kitty litter..

Is it for the new warming variety?

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:34 AM
Would love play by play....cannot get video at work!
I promise to give play by play if they ever get around to bringing him on. Next is Abiligail somebody - oh Abigail Breslin - whoever that is.

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:35 AM
I promise to give play by play if they ever get around to bringing him on. Next is Abiligail somebody - oh Abigail Breslin - whoever that is.

Little girl from Little Miss Sunshine :D

(yes I'm female)

american.swan
12-04-2007, 10:36 AM
It's already :36...we need Ron to get more time

Birdlady
12-04-2007, 10:36 AM
I promise to give play by play if they ever get around to bringing him on. Next is Abiligail somebody - oh Abigail Breslin - whoever that is.

That is the young girl from the movie Little Miss Sunshine

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
Little girl from Little Miss Sunshine :D

(yes I'm female)

Oh ok - I loved that movie!! Funniest movie I've ever seen I think. I'm female too
!!

Naraku
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
Whoopi is probably the most informed person among them. She's way cooler than Rosie O'Donnell!

bp2519
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
Little Miss Sunshine girl is more important than Ron Paul??

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
"Little Miss Sunshine is lighting up the holiday season"

Kid is on.

rooteroa
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
geeze paul is gonna get like 5 minutes

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
ok back on - Abigail Breslin just came on. Stay tuned for Ron Paul play by play.

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:37 AM
Is it for the new warming variety?


Tingling...


Most people I know call the warming kind KY burning jelly

rooteroa
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
ugh why would they interview this little kid?

rancher89
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
I thought I missed it. Glad he is on the second half. Cool they brought up the Greeks and Freedom. Maybe they will talk about 300 too.

Lots of giggling, some girl I've never seen talking about Math....

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
Whoopi is probably the most informed person among them. She's way cooler than Rosie O'Donnell!

I agree. Whoppi is great. I can't stand Rosie. Glad she's gone!

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
Call me a misanthrope, but why do child stars get so much attention?

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
They're talking to this kid about math. She says she doesn't understand it.

Okay, why do women watch this show, again?

sirachman
12-04-2007, 10:38 AM
Tingling...


Most people I know call the warming kind KY burning jelly
Quite true..

LibertyEagle
12-04-2007, 10:39 AM
Whoopi is probably the most informed person among them. She's way cooler than Rosie O'Donnell!

Except she has a foul mouth.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:39 AM
ugh why would they interview this little kid?

they are probably saving Ron Paul for last to keep everyone glued to their show for the full hour.

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:39 AM
Oh ok - I loved that movie!! Funniest movie I've ever seen I think. I'm female too
!!


It's nice to see that she is dressed like a young lady and not a mini tramp.

LibertyEagle
12-04-2007, 10:39 AM
They're talking to this kid about math. She says she doesn't understand it.

Okay, why do women watch this show, again?

It used to be better than this. These new hosts are really bad. Once upon a time, this show used to have 1 or 2 intelligent hosts. Joy is the only decent one now.

american.swan
12-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Dreaming of a youtube of the into including ron paul....a clip of the ladies talking about ron paul and the death tax...and when ron is on.....just my dream.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:40 AM
It's nice to see that she is dressed like a young lady and not a mini tramp.



She's really thinned out for Little Miss Sunshine (sorry guys - it's a girl thing) LOL

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:40 AM
They're talking to this kid about math. She says she doesn't understand it.

Okay, why do women watch this show, again?

Because they're women. Their brains are wired different.
Not worse, just different.

Men don't care about shoes, warming KY lubricant (ok, maybe...but that's not for here) or little kids in movies.

amakris
12-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Whoopi is probably the most informed person among them. She's way cooler than Rosie O'Donnell!


they are probably saving Ron Paul for last to keep everyone glued to their show for the full hour.

ding!

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:41 AM
It used to be better than this. These new hosts are really bad.


Hey, it's ABC and will make a great YouTube. Hope someone is getting this....

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
Because they're women. Their brains are wired different.
Not worse, just different.

Men don't care about shoes, warming KY lubricant (ok, maybe...but that's not for here) or little kids in movies.

My brain is wired different from most womens, I think. :o

sirachman
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
Go Ron Paul! (Time for school, bah) Can't wait for the YouTube!

Mithridates
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
I agree. Whoppi is great.

Well, she was Guinan on Star Trek after all.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
ok - going to commercial but said they will be right back with something and Ron Paul!!

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 10:42 AM
"We'll be right back with Congressman Ron Paul!!!" :::Big applause:::: :D

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:43 AM
Commercials, then Ron Paul. :)

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:43 AM
Just broke for commercial --- next on ....... Ron

Lucid American
12-04-2007, 10:43 AM
I'm SOOOO glad I'm not watching this real time. Sounds torturous!

Meantime, here is a clip for a View months ago where Ron Paul came up in discussion and sparked debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6SfmXigHpE

american.swan
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
If this appearance is a hit with the ladies...he should come do it again next march.

icon124
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
its about time....he'll get a good 10-15 minutes tho

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
I hope they go over a wide range of issues rather than getting bogged down on the abortion topic.

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
I'm SOOOO glad I'm not watching this real time. Sounds torturous!

Meantime, here is a clip for a View months ago where Ron Paul came up in discussion and sparked debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6SfmXigHpE

Like pins in the eye

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
hopefully with this many of us giving a play by play - we won't miss anything. Type your fingers off everyone!!

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
My brain is wired different from most womens, I think. :o


Really? Married?

ksu_s13
12-04-2007, 10:44 AM
For the love of GOD get RP on ASAP! My brain is bleeding from all of the mindless discussion!

american.swan
12-04-2007, 10:45 AM
They'll get bogged down in abortion and then try to sum up a few issues at the end.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:45 AM
Ads for constipation, oxyclean, monistat, and oil of olay bodywash. Definitely a woman's show. lol...

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:45 AM
Really? Married?

lol, yep, married.

american.swan
12-04-2007, 10:45 AM
Ads for constipation, oxyclean, monistat, and oil of olay bodywash. Definitely a woman's show. lol...

LOL

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:46 AM
lol, yep, married.


Lucky guy......:cool:

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:46 AM
ok back on - here's the republican presidential candidate who even has dems on his side

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:46 AM
Lmao!

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:47 AM
lot of applause - hosts all standing to greet him

BLS
12-04-2007, 10:47 AM
lot of applause - hosts all standing to greet him


Thanks Jena!

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:48 AM
Joy said he is her favorite Republican. Roe v Wade is the first question.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:48 AM
already bring up roe v wade -

Joy asking about abortion - asked Joy is she wants Ron to due an abortion at 8 months and she said no. Shouldn't it be between the doctor and the woman -

whoppi - there is a limit as to when you can do a abortion.

Ron Paul - I don't want the govnt doing anything - I want the states to do it.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:49 AM
Even has some dems on his side.

Here he is. Tex Cong, Pres candidate, and gynocologist. lol.

Joy leads off with abortion.

They're going after him - they're trying to say that Roe v wade doesn't allow 3rd trimester.

He's trying to explain to them that it's a states rights issue.

He's doing a great job in my opinion, even though they're trying to go after him.

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:50 AM
He's saying that the states should determine the law about abortion. He really is making some of the logical contradictions apparent.

ashlux
12-04-2007, 10:50 AM
I don't suppose anyone can type fast enough to make a transcript, eh? :-D

sparebulb
12-04-2007, 10:51 AM
RP is like a tasty bug in a yard surrounded by a bunch of hungry cackling chickens.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:51 AM
Ron said " you can't kill your baby in your home" Joy - well that's murder.

Joy - clarifying -talking about girls are in trouble -

Whoppi - no one makes this decision lightly - I think you should be able to get some help if you are reaching out for something like that. What are we going to do with all of these kids.

Ron - the question is whether abortion should be done on demand.

Said to Joy - you're not for abortion any time no matter how far along - Joy again - no that's murder

Goldwater Conservative
12-04-2007, 10:51 AM
Why are they this obsessed with abortion? Aren't there far more pressing concerns in this country?

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:51 AM
on to immigration - immigrants are scapegoats because of our poor economy.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Yay the other black lady is asking about immigration.

Ron says immigrants are scapegoats for the bad economy.

He says he is not for amnesty.

Quick
12-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Why are they this obsessed with abortion? Aren't there far more pressing concerns in this country?

Because they are women, and it's a show for women?

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:52 AM
whoppi - if you become president what is your stance on China? Other part of question - if you feel so strongly about immigration - how are you going to get all these big companies to stop shipping jobs oversees?

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:52 AM
Why are they this obsessed with abortion? Aren't there far more pressing concerns in this country?

This is a show with an audience of women. I'm sure Dr Paul and his staff knew that abortion would be the main topic.

The thing the View forgets is probably half its audience is woman AND pro-life. So therefore they're helping us even if they don't want to be!

Question_Authority
12-04-2007, 10:53 AM
This is bad. Really bad. Will not help Ron Paul/

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:53 AM
Whoopi says "there's a big old issue with China" how do you balance it out, and if you feel so strong about immigration, how do you get big companies to stop shipping jobs across to other countries.

Ron: Treat China like every other country - trade with them. Our failed econ and currency problem is why jobs are leaving.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:53 AM
Ron - I want to trade with them. It's a currency problem.

Joy just said you know that you are not going to win!! Yuck!

RPFTW!
12-04-2007, 10:53 AM
Bad? Why what happened?

margomaps
12-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Why are they this obsessed with abortion? Aren't there far more pressing concerns in this country?

For a whole lot of women in our country -- who knows, maybe 1/2 -- the concept of "pro-choice" has been spliced into the very identity of what it means to be a woman. Any questioning of the implications of "pro-choice" is seen and felt as a direct, personal attack against the individual and all women. It's kind of how a lot of people feel about gun rights, for example.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Joy just asked Ron who he will vote for if he is not elected -Ron - there is no one who he would vote for at this time.

all over - they just thanked him and off to commercial

ClayTrainor
12-04-2007, 10:54 AM
Fuck you Joy...
"You know you're not gonna win right?"

icon124
12-04-2007, 10:54 AM
"you know your not gona win....blah blah blah" wtf kinda crap is that

Question_Authority
12-04-2007, 10:54 AM
I wish they had let Ron Paul state his platform before they started in on him about abortion. The viewers are not getting a balanced view of him.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Joy says he is not going to win, and asks who he will vote for. He says no one running now.

Not bad, but honestly, the subjects are way over the heads of the View hosts and viewship IMO.

RPFTW!
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Damn I didn't see it but it seemed like it went pretty bad

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
I think he made good points regarding abortion but they did not really allow him enough time on immigration and China - booooo!!

RonPaulCentral
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
He seems very nervous....

polexi
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
"You know you're not going to win, right?"....That was pathetic. Fuck you Joy.

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:55 AM
Joy just said that he's probably not going to win, but in a freidnly way...he contradicted that. I think that's the end of the interview....

Well between them and Ron Paul they hit abortion, illegal immigration, the economy, a tiny bit of foreign policy...

Eric21ND
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
not worth a youtube.

Rex
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
FUck JOY!

tesla23
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
They didn't even ask him about Iraq =/ They spent way too long talking about abortion.

Tyler19
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
Fuck you Luntz
Fuck you Joy

Dequeant
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
I hated it. For one, they didn't really allow him to answer the abortion question fully. He did a decent job but i feel he didn't have a chance to explain it all the way. The china/economy thing he absolutely nailed.

Then the "you're not going to win" thing made me want to bust in and start punching people. He answered that pretty good, basically there's nobody.

Then i remembered, "it's the view, it sucks".

qednick
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
Not bad, but honestly, the subjects are way over the heads of the View hosts and viewship IMO.

I absolutely agree!

Noble
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
I know abortion is important to women (and men too), but i wish he would have taken control and not spent so much time on it.

Its not the most important issue of this election, in my opinion

rockwell
12-04-2007, 10:56 AM
That was awful. Whoopee Goldberg spoke longer than Ron Paul did, they covered abortion for about 3/4 of the time alloted and then they loudmouth with the NY accent stuck the knife in- "You know you have no chance of winning."

Typical MSM backstabbing.

RP4Pres2008
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Joy just said that he's probably not going to win, but in a freidnly way...he contradicted that. I think that's the end of the interview....

Well between them and Ron Paul they hit abortion, illegal immigration, the economy, a tiny bit of foreign policy...

In a friendly way??

That was nothing but rude, why invite him on the show and then tell him he isn't going to win and "he knows that?"

Rex
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
I'm beginning to think that all major media outlets have idiots on ALL of their programs.

Marc Scott Emery
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
For a whole lot of women in our country -- who knows, maybe 1/2 -- the concept of "pro-choice" has been spliced into the very identity of what it means to be a woman. Any questioning of the implications of "pro-choice" is seen and felt as a direct, personal attack against the individual and all women. It's kind of how a lot of people feel about gun rights, for example.

Women in cities and along waterfront (oceanfront states) generally are pro-choice, and for good reason, they get pregnant and they are living in urban environments where people more easily mind there own business. This show caters to the young liberal mothers...

Omnis
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Man, Ron fumbled on his abortion stuff. I thought of so many things that would've shut them up so quickly.

I hope that's not it for him, though. What a short time for a Presidential candidate. That's terrible.

edit: WOW, that WAS it! This show is fucking STUPID.

mosquitobite
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Remember people, the audience doesn't always agree with the hosts. They're watching it to be entertained.

Too bad they didn't get to talk about Iraq though.

mkrfctr
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
well that was a pretty pointless interview ...

he wasted a lot of time with the whole 'so you/don't believe...' bit when he could/should have just stated his position and moved on ...

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
What the hell was that out of the blue crap Joy pulled.

WE know you cant win, hehehe, is there anyone else you would support?

im_a_pepper
12-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Terrible appearance, not RP's fault it was just jumbled and confusing. Nothing was accomplished and Joy's comment , "you know you're not going to win, right?" made me get sick. As if she was checking if he was delusional or not. Particularly disappointed, not the best setting at all.

freedominnumbers
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
That was a truly bad interview.

I had high hopes, they were dashed.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
hopefully we can at least hope that he got some viewers on board by clarifying his stance on abortion. It's the best we can hope for coming out of this show.

mkrfctr
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
also, if anyone was watching the show earlier ... the black woman who's not whoopi ... wow is she dumb - insistent that Christianity was in the time of the Greeks - and that it was not possible for anything to come before Jesus ... I mean, wow - just wow.

BizmanUSA
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
PLEASE Tell me that that's NOT it for the RP interview

BTW I think he looked good (excepte for the funky eyebrows) and was the RP that we know

Mckarnin
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
In a friendly way??

That was nothing but rude, why invite him on the show and then tell him he isn't going to win and "he knows that?"


Well it sounded more like an ignorant statement of her own deductions on the chances of his winning. It wasn't like Stephanop (spelling) with "that's not going to happen".

ClayTrainor
12-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Those girls are so retarded!

RPFTW!
12-04-2007, 10:59 AM
also, if anyone was watching the show earlier ... the black woman who's not whoopi ... wow is she dumb - insistent that Christianity was in the time of the Greeks - and that it was not possible for anything to come before Jesus ... I mean, wow - just wow.

Yeah she's the one that thought the earth was flat I believe.

literatim
12-04-2007, 10:59 AM
That seemed like an absolute horrible environment for a serious discussion.

StateofTrance
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
That's it? It's over? 6 mins?

JohnCrabtree
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Thats what you get with the view tho, 4 women talking over each other. This is why it is important for ron to accept the Glenn Beck and Chris Matthews Full hour interviews so he can actually talk about his opinions without being interupted

With that being said I think that Ron did a great job on the China question and bringing up sound money.

He only got about what 3 minutes of total talk time? worse than a debate.

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Women...

crhoades
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Converting it from dvr format as we speak. It will be a little while but we shall have youtube soon.

Question_Authority
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Ron also stumbled a bit on the abortion question... he said things like "If I kill the baby as a doctor, I am liable..." He meant Fetus, but he said baby, so Joy kept saying "well, that's murder, that's different". Then Whoopi would jump in, etc.

What a jumbled up mess. This should have been a one on one interview, not four-on-one attacking.

He never got his freedom message out.

The whole thing lasted less than 5 minutes too. BUMMER/

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
also, if anyone was watching the show earlier ... the black woman who's not whoopi ... wow is she dumb - insistent that Christianity was in the time of the Greeks - and that it was not possible for anything to come before Jesus ... I mean, wow - just wow.

Yeah, she revealed deep ignorance with that one, didn't she? Kinda sad, but hey, we ARE becoming the idiocracy, unfortunately.

FSP-Rebel
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
Man, Ron fumbled on his abortion stuff.
Yes he did unfortunately. It's like they kept his anti-war stance to a minumum, kinda shitty.

awitelin
12-04-2007, 11:00 AM
All is not lost, it wasn't a complete waste for him.

One, his name is out there in front of an audience that would likely otherwise never have heard of him.

Two, he scores major points with the pro-life women crowd, which despite the View's hosts, is a major part of their demographic.

Three, it's sad but true that abortion is THE hot button issue for women voters, so it's not necessarily bad that he mostly talked about that and not his usual economics, which would be boring as hell to the View's demographic of mostly stay-at-home women.

Not the best interview he'll ever get, but it'll do. Speaking as a woman, just trust me, it's not that bad, so naysayers begone! lol

LibertyEagle
12-04-2007, 11:01 AM
"You know you're not going to win, right?"....That was pathetic. Fuck you Joy.

Would you guys please get some manners and FAST. It was only because of Joy that Ron has been talked about on that show at all!!! :mad:

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 11:02 AM
I thought he handled the abortion question very well. He really turned it around them and had them stumbling over their own views, and I think proved to them that the issue isnt so easily decided on one view over the other.

I wish Whoopi would have just said what she looked like she wanted to say. "Can you shut up and let the man answer my question."

This types of interviews are tough, especially when there are major time restraints and the hosts are speaking over people push the clock.

CurtisLow
12-04-2007, 11:02 AM
Whoopee has endorsed Hillery already.. Guess where her questions came from.

That was a piss poor interview!

Voluntaryist
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Ads for constipation, oxyclean, monistat, and oil of olay bodywash. Definitely a woman's show. lol...

Wow, a TV show where the entire commercial break is comprised of information about various creams and ointments. :eek:

mannycp
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
waiting on youtube,

LibertyEagle
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
I wish he would've brought up our crummy trade agreements, because from what he said, no one could tell that in his administration, the whole trade deal would be any different.

Mark
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
Speaking as a woman, just trust me, it's not that bad, so naysayers begone! lol

One who knows.. good enough for me

Cyclone177
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
My wife thought it was bad, but I watched it at work and thought it wasn't that bad.

Joy is an idiot yes, but when she asked that question, the other women on the panel jumped her. And so did the audience, I heard a "that is rude" remark and some negative oohing and ahhing. So, that was good at least.

I thought he did pretty well. Very affable and well spoken.

Just the face time is invaluable. Remember when there was NOTHING about the DR?

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 11:03 AM
You just cannot go in depth on these issues in 15 minutes. When you try, the answers will be slapdash and superficial. Shame on them for relegating a statesman like Ron Paul to a paltry few moments of soundbytes.

nullvalu
12-04-2007, 11:04 AM
Would you guys please get some manners and FAST. It was only because of Joy that Ron has been talked about on that show at all!!! :mad:

Why do you act like the morals police around here? Is it because you have 2-3x more posts than anyone else? I think that says something about you.

He's pissed and he has the right to express himself.

orion846
12-04-2007, 11:04 AM
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

click there to e-mail them if you want to say something about the "you know you can't win" comment. they had a right to direct the conversation to their priorities (abortion) but that comment was very un-professional and out of line

LFOD
12-04-2007, 11:04 AM
RP is a model of fearlessness. That format is brutal. The whole thing just came off as a jumble.

LibertyEagle
12-04-2007, 11:04 AM
Joy was trying hard to understand him, but in my opinion, he did not make his points well.

blakjak
12-04-2007, 11:05 AM
Would you guys please get some manners and FAST. It was only because of Joy that Ron has been talked about on that show at all!!! :mad:

Seconded. We can't say 'eff you' to every person that either a) doesn't agree with Paul or b) thinks he has no chance of winning.

ksu_s13
12-04-2007, 11:05 AM
That show sucks, and is a great example of what's wrong with discourse in modern America.

Goldwater Conservative
12-04-2007, 11:05 AM
also, if anyone was watching the show earlier ... the black woman who's not whoopi ... wow is she dumb - insistent that Christianity was in the time of the Greeks - and that it was not possible for anything to come before Jesus ... I mean, wow - just wow.

Yeah, I actually like (or should I say, don't actively dislike) the other hosts there.

And I still think Ellen would be much better for him, since it'd be one-on-one and a lot less confrontational.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 11:05 AM
I thought he handled the abortion question very well. He really turned it around them and had them stumbling over their own views, and I think proved to them that the issue isnt so easily decided on one view over the other.



Absolutely agree! That's why they were all four trying to talk over each other - Ron got them thinking. It was a baby step for most of them, but every journey starts that way...

AFTFNJ
12-04-2007, 11:06 AM
The View is BS garbage. They had that little girl forever & a guy running for prez gets to a few minutes to talk...whats more important? Plus one of the chicks on the view had to say you know your not going to win right? What a original line...I wonder if she came up with it on her own.

literatim
12-04-2007, 11:06 AM
Joy was trying hard to understand him, but in my opinion, he did not make his points well.

There wasn't much he could do. I think he did really well in such a hostile chaotic environment. He turned the abortion issue around on them and hopefully it will make some of these pro-choice women think about what they support.

I just wish he pointed out that there is a reason it is a hard decision to have an abortion. It is mulling over whether you want to kill your own child or not.

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 11:07 AM
Can we not go start emailing Joy in anger. I dont agree with the question either, but like others have stated. It is face time. It was a decent showing. He answered a hot topic towards the shows demographic. Joy is probably the only reason he has been discussed at all on the show and the reason he was on today.

The audience and other members of the panel I think reprimanded Joy for the question.

yaz
12-04-2007, 11:08 AM
Yeah I've never seen Ron Paul do such a poor job making his points.

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:08 AM
and this is why ron paul is not popular with women. They have become brainwashed in their thinking that now unless you are pro-choice you must be anti women. I'm so disappointed with the female species right now... I have always held women to be very smart individuals with a completely different outlook on life that is very essential to our way of life. I just can’t believe that they wanted to box him into a corner because he believes we shouldn't be able to kill our children. Hopefully the pro-lifers are smart enough to see through this obvious crap that’s been pushed into these women’s minds.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 11:08 AM
I thought he handled the abortion question very well. He really turned it around them and had them stumbling over their own views, and I think proved to them that the issue isnt so easily decided on one view over the other.

I wish Whoopi would have just said what she looked like she wanted to say. "Can you shut up and let the man answer my question."

This types of interviews are tough, especially when there are major time restraints and the hosts are speaking over people push the clock.


I agree and I think he made some good points about it. All is not lost - his name and face is out there.

shadowhooch
12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
My wife watched it live. She isn't the obsessive Ron Paul fanatic that I am. But she likes him and will vote for him. Here is her take:

She said it was a horrible interview. Everyone was talking over one another about abortion and it was jumbled and chaotic. He only briefly got to talk about Immigration and China and he didn't get much time to speak overall.

The the one host asked if he knew that he wasn't going to win. According to my wife, the crowd booed that question. Is that correct?

StateofTrance
12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
The old man needs a serious vacation. He seems to be tired and sick lately.

RPFTW!
12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
Part of the problem is RP is just getting old, if you look at his debates from 88 he was much better an d a very quick thinker, I think once you get that age you just slow down a bit and have trouble thinking of the words, Mike Gravel has the exact same problem.

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
Yeah I've never seen Ron Paul do such a poor job making his points.

That's what happens when you're only given 10-15 minutes (along with four or five other very vociferous and lively conversationalists) to delve into deep and complex ideological questions of abortion, immigration, monetary policy, and war.

BeFranklin
12-04-2007, 11:10 AM
The View is BS garbage. They had that little girl forever & a guy running for prez gets to a few minutes to talk...whats more important? Plus one of the chicks on the view had to say you know your not going to win right? What a original line...I wonder if she came up with it on her own.

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RPFTW!
12-04-2007, 11:11 AM
And its got to be hard flying everywhere doing debates and interviews 24/7 at his age.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 11:11 AM
The audience and other members of the panel I think reprimanded Joy for the question.

Yes, they did.

:)

I don't think it was a bad appearance at all. Ron HAS to explain his abortion stance to women because many american women have had that issue drilled into them as the ONLY issue they should vote on, and because women have been trained to think of the abortion issue as "choice" without getting them thinking about all the other aspects of choice that are involved IF they base their abortion stance ON choice.

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 11:12 AM
yes, the audience and the other panel members thought it was a lowbrow question.

I thought he did fine under the circumstances he was given. I would like to point out to all the other men on the forum that are married. How would we fair sitting there trying to argue with 4 women who had opposing views on the subject. I thought he handled himself very well.

Goldwater Conservative
12-04-2007, 11:12 AM
And since he's a Republican presidential candidate, why would they even bother to bring up abortion as if his position is something mysterious and unique? Focus on the main issues of the guy's campaign or where he's different from the rest of his party.

Cyclone177
12-04-2007, 11:12 AM
My wife watched it live. She isn't the obsessive Ron Paul fanatic that I am. But she likes him and will vote for him. Here is her take:

She said it was a horrible interview. Everyone was talking over one another about abortion and it was jumbled and chaotic. He only briefly got to talk about Immigration and China and he didn't get much time to speak overall.

The the one host asked if he knew that he wasn't going to win. According to my wife, the crowd booed that question. Is that correct?

I wouldn't say booed, but there was definately some hefty opposition to that question. Which is VERY good. Regular people believe everyone has a chance.

She looked shocked that her question was attacked.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 11:14 AM
and this is why ron paul is not popular with women. They have become brainwashed in their thinking that now unless you are pro-choice you must be anti women. I'm so disappointed with the female species right now... I have always held women to be very smart individuals with a completely different outlook on life that is very essential to our way of life. I just can’t believe that they wanted to box him into a corner because he believes we shouldn't be able to kill our children. Hopefully the pro-lifers are smart enough to see through this obvious crap that’s been pushed into these women’s minds.



This is very true. As a woman - I have a lot of women friends and family and the sticking point is - that if the government tells women what to do with their bodies - it's a huge step backwards for women. That's it. That's what it's all about.

nullvalu
12-04-2007, 11:15 AM
Part of the problem is RP is just getting old, if you look at his debates from 88 he was much better an d a very quick thinker

Could be.. Ever see that Morton Downey episode? "Why doesn't the government put you on a diet, you're a little overweight!" hahaha classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo

BeFranklin
12-04-2007, 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yaz View Post
Yeah I've never seen Ron Paul do such a poor job making his points.
That's what happens when you're only given 10-15 minutes (along with four or five other very vociferous and lively conversationalists) to delve into deep and complex ideological questions of abortion, immigration, monetary policy, and war.

Ron Paul was constrained by the format, he couldn't seem to be too aggressive answering four woman. I think he did a good job. I would have answered it that way.

On the other hand, the format of the show was terrible, but every little bit helps, and it was a different demographic.

awitelin
12-04-2007, 11:17 AM
This is very true. As a woman - I have a lot of women friends and family and the sticking point is - that if the government tells women what to do with their bodies - it's a huge step backwards for women. That's it. That's what it's all about.

Very true Jena, it's not really about abortion at all in a lot of people's minds, it's about freedom and being told what they can and cannot do. This to me means there's a lot of room for RP's message out there in the female demographic if the campaign keeps trying.

RoyalShock
12-04-2007, 11:18 AM
You have to understand that most (not all) women are wired to arrive at their positions from emotional responses. That's why most women are either staunchly pro-life or staunchly pro-choice. It's an emotional issue so there's very little centrality.

They also tend to be wishy-washy (again most, not all), and only look at the surface of any issue (but they think they understand it anyway). That's why statements like "You know you have no chance to win" can be very detrimental to the woman vote. Rather than dig beyond that statement (to understand polling and recent election cycles), many will take it at face value. If they haven't already made up their minds (via emotions) which candidate to support, Paul isn't going to be an option. UNLESS . . . something he said in the interview resonated (again, with an emotional issue).

In case I wasn't clear, I don't believe all women are like this, but from the information I've read on the subject, a majority of them do make decisions based primarily on emotion. Logic has influence, but only to resolve the emotion.

I think I may get slammed for this. Oh well.

Smiley Gladhands
12-04-2007, 11:18 AM
This is why it is important for ron to accept the Glenn Beck and Chris Matthews Full hour interviews so he can actually talk about his opinions without being interupted

QFT.

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:18 AM
This is very true. As a woman - I have a lot of women friends and family and the sticking point is - that if the government tells women what to do with their bodies - it's a huge step backwards for women. That's it. That's what it's all about.

When I was at the philly rally handing out slim jims I got a responce from a 60 year old women who said I will not vote for him because he is not pro choice. I, being fired for ron paul that day asked her if she understude the other bigger issues that where going on around the world and that to not vote for a person based off of one issue is not helping our situation out in america. She still didn't care and walked on.

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
Ask yourself this. If the Federal Government's enactment of Roe V. Wade was really about protecting freedom of choice, why do they go after freedom of choice in nearly every other instance (drugs, guns, taxes, business, trade). Simply because Roe V. Wade isn't about protecting freedom of choice, but collecting gobs of taxpayer money and culling the poor, working class, and minority populations to achieve their own ends.

literatim
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
They also tend to be wishy-washy (again most, not all), and only look at the surface of any issue (but they think they understand it anyway). That's why statements like "You know you have no chance to win" can be very detrimental to the woman vote.

It can be, but his stern response was excellent.


Ask yourself this. If the Federal Government's enactment of Rowe V. Wade was really about protecting freedom of choice, why do they go after freedom of choice in nearly every other instance (drugs, guns, taxes, business, trade). Simply because Rowe V. Wade isn't about protecting freedom of choice, but collecting gobs of taxpayer money and culling the poor, working class, and minority populations to achieve their own ends.

Roe vs Wade is about population control of the middle class to reduce its size.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
Very true Jena, it's not really about abortion at all in a lot of people's minds, it's about freedom and being told what they can and cannot do. This to me means there's a lot of room for RP's message out there in the female demographic if the campaign keeps trying.

Yes - men need to understand that it would be like the government telling them that although they don't want any more children - they are not legally allowed to get a vasectomy.

Billy Budd
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
The problem is that is was all rushed. I thought Ron Paul did just fine all things considered, ... he had 4 uppity woman on his case about abortion at the same time. He could have used another 10 minutes for other topics.

I thought he could have addressed Whoopi's question about exporting jobs in a more assuring way. His handlers:>) need to give him some sound bite answers on some of this stuff for these situations. Paul's an intellect and it's hard for him to get his view out out in one or two sentences. Whoopi had a look on her face like she didn't get an answer. Again, more time would have sure helped him.

Another poster said he was nervous, another said he looked sick and tired. I thought he looked good, very at ease and composed although he seemed annoyed about the "you don't really think have a chance comment". He answered back pretty forcefully.

I think his occasional stumbling is because he's a;ways so pressed for time in complicated subjects. He's got so much to say. It's got to get frustrating for him. He is 72 although I hear he bicycles and does all kinds of other active things. He looks like he may have some allergy problems which tend to make people look a little drawn.

BeFranklin
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
They also tend to be wishy-washy (again most, not all), and only look at the surface of any issue (but they think they understand it anyway). That's why statements like "You know you have no chance to win" can be very detrimental to the woman vote. Rather than dig beyond that statement (to understand polling and recent election cycles), many will take it at face value. If they haven't already made up their minds (via emotions) which candidate to support, Paul isn't going to be an option. UNLESS . . . something he said in the interview resonated (again, with an emotional issue).


People like that don't vote in the primaries, they let all the issues be decided for them.

schmeisser
12-04-2007, 11:20 AM
Please remember...we are in a Republican Primary. This interview IMHO builds him up in the base we need to get the nomination. Once we get to the general election, this type of interview might be counterproductive, but right now this is perfect.

MsDoodahs
12-04-2007, 11:21 AM
In case I wasn't clear, I don't believe all women are like this, but from the information I've read on the subject, a majority of them do make decisions based primarily on emotion. Logic has influence, but only to resolve the emotion.

I think I may get slammed for this. Oh well.

You should not be slammed for it. I agree with you. Most women are basically emotional creatures who want someone to take care of them. And today, they do not look to men for that care, they look to the state.

It is sad but it is true.

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 11:22 AM
Before this turns into an debate on abortion.

Why not encourage our young women today to respect themselves and their bodies. Thats one the problems when we talk about freedom. Freedom makes the individual responsible for their own actions. Some people want to do whatever they like and deal with the concequences tommorrow.

awitelin
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
You have to understand that most (not all) women are wired to arrive at their positions from emotional responses. That's why most women are either staunchly pro-life or staunchly pro-choice. It's an emotional issue so there's very little centrality.

They also tend to be wishy-washy (again most, not all), and only look at the surface of any issue (but they think they understand it anyway). That's why statements like "You know you have no chance to win" can be very detrimental to the woman vote. Rather than dig beyond that statement (to understand polling and recent election cycles), many will take it at face value. If they haven't already made up their minds (via emotions) which candidate to support, Paul isn't going to be an option. UNLESS . . . something he said in the interview resonated (again, with an emotional issue).

In case I wasn't clear, I don't believe all women are like this, but from the information I've read on the subject, a majority of them do make decisions based primarily on emotion. Logic has influence, but only to resolve the emotion.

I think I may get slammed for this. Oh well.

Yikes. I'd hate to be your significant other if that's what you really think about us.

Nevertheless, I would say that women are much more likely to take intuitive thinking (feelings) and use them in making decisions than men. That much is true. However, I think you give women far too little credit when it comes to their ability to make rational decisions.

crhoades
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
Yes - men need to understand that it would be like the government telling them that although they don't want any more children - they are not legally allowed to get a vasectomy.

Actually the analogy then would be that the government does not allow a woman to get her tubes tied if you want to push the vasectomy argument. The embryo/fetus/baby is a separate, genetically different, living entity in the woman - not a part of the woman.

LFOD
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
This is very true. As a woman - I have a lot of women friends and family and the sticking point is - that if the government tells women what to do with their bodies - it's a huge step backwards for women. That's it. That's what it's all about.

But of course at some point it becomes a question about the rights of the body inside the mother's body. I think RP's responses to these questions are thought-provoking.

RoyalShock
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
Before this turns into an debate on abortion.

Why not encourage our young women today to respect themselves and their bodies. Thats one the problems when we talk about freedom. Freedom makes the individual responsible for their own actions. Some people want to do whatever they like and deal with the concequences tommorrow.

That's precisely why it's possible to be pro-life and pro-choice. Just not at the same stage in the process.

Mithridates
12-04-2007, 11:23 AM
Please remember...we are in a Republican Primary. This interview IMHO builds him up in the base we need to get the nomination. Once we get to the general election, this type of interview might be counterproductive, but right now this is perfect.

Oh yeah. Good point.

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Yes - men need to understand that it would be like the government telling them that although they don't want any more children - they are not legally allowed to get a vasectomy.

not true, that has nothing to do with killing an innocent child.

Storm3
12-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Most women are basically emotional creatures who want someone to take care of them. And today, they do not look to men for that care, they look to the state.

Interesting point of view. Had never seen it like that before. You might just be right.

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 11:24 AM
Just to clear the air in the gender debate, 90% of the women I know are much smarter and more well-informed than the audience this show caters to.

mannycp
12-04-2007, 11:24 AM
youtube??????????

nullvalu
12-04-2007, 11:25 AM
Yes - men need to understand that it would be like the government telling them that although they don't want any more children - they are not legally allowed to get a vasectomy.

whoooaah, i don't think it's like that at all.. if that's your arguement then you'd have to equate a vasectomy to a hysterectomy, not abortion.

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 11:25 AM
You have to understand that most (not all) women are wired to arrive at their positions from emotional responses. That's why most women are either staunchly pro-life or staunchly pro-choice. It's an emotional issue so there's very little centrality.

They also tend to be wishy-washy (again most, not all), and only look at the surface of any issue (but they think they understand it anyway). That's why statements like "You know you have no chance to win" can be very detrimental to the woman vote. Rather than dig beyond that statement (to understand polling and recent election cycles), many will take it at face value. If they haven't already made up their minds (via emotions) which candidate to support, Paul isn't going to be an option. UNLESS . . . something he said in the interview resonated (again, with an emotional issue).

In case I wasn't clear, I don't believe all women are like this, but from the information I've read on the subject, a majority of them do make decisions based primarily on emotion. Logic has influence, but only to resolve the emotion.

I think I may get slammed for this. Oh well.


no - not slammed. I personally am against abortion - I've never had one and although I am past that point in my life - I would not have one - even if I got pregnant right now at age 45. But having said that - who am I to tell another woman what is right for her? I can't do it. I've never been pregnant at a young age with a guy that is not committed (emotionally or financially) and I would not expect someone in that position to see the fetus's rights before her own.

So having said all that - I do not want to tell women that they cannot have an abortion in the 1st trimester - but I do think that late term should be against the law - I consider it murder.

Thrice
12-04-2007, 11:25 AM
Please, The View is basically a female version of The Man Show. I'm glad for the publicity but never expected much of its target audience.

RoyalShock
12-04-2007, 11:26 AM
Yikes. I'd hate to be your significant other if that's what you really think about us.

Nevertheless, I would say that women are much more likely to take intuitive thinking (feelings) and use them in making decisions than men. That much is true. However, I think you give women far too little credit when it comes to their ability to make rational decisions.

I know too many women who think with their emotions and get disinterested if the subject (any subject) goes deeper than the surface.

Fortunately, my wife is not one of them and largely agrees with my view. (I'm not stupid. I always run these things by "the boss"!)

JenaS62
12-04-2007, 11:26 AM
whoooaah, i don't think it's like that at all.. if that's your arguement then you'd have to equate a vasectomy to a hysterectomy, not abortion.

well there is really no true comparison for a man to being pregnant as a woman. Any suggestions? :cool:

Storm3
12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
Just to clear the air in the gender debate, 90% of the women I know are much smarter and more well-informed than the audience this show caters to.

My wife is a Brain, but she, just like her female university friends, love reading gossip magazines and watching mindless soaps on TV.

Drives me crazy, but it's easy entertainment for many women, just like sports are for many men.

awitelin
12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
Just to clear the air in the gender debate, 90% of the women I know are much smarter and more well-informed than the audience this show caters to.

True! Thanks for noticing!


Please, The View is basically a female version of The Man Show. I'm glad for the publicity but never expected much of its target audience.

QFT

Voluntaryist
12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
The old man needs a serious vacation. He seems to be tired and sick lately.

Ive noticed that too. His schedule must be insanely hectic right now. The poor guy needs a nice long nap and a lemonade in a hammock or something to recharge.

These presidential campaign schedules are very grueling, especially for old people.

Minuteman
12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
Exactly, this interview was about name recognition. I didnt expect him to go on their and change the minds of the masses in 10mins.

Goldwater Conservative
12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
Yes - men need to understand that it would be like the government telling them that although they don't want any more children - they are not legally allowed to get a vasectomy.

Ah, but while a man who wants the woman he's with to have the child and maybe even intends to take care of it on his own can't do anything to stop her, he is compelled to financially support the child even if he had wanted her to get the abortion and she didn't.

And women can still get their tubes tied, so the vasectomy argument isn't the best analogy. ;)

BuddyRey
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
whoooaah, i don't think it's like that at all.. if that's your arguement then you'd have to equate a vasectomy to a hysterectomy, not abortion.

Agreed. I'm not at all opposed to birth control pills or early contraceptives, but in an abortion, you're talking about a life that is already growing, pulsing, and living inside you. It's a completely different scenario, IMHO.

bgky4paul
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
For those of you upset about the nature of the interview, it is important to remember that this is "The View". All interviews are just like this one. This is what the loyal viewers expect.

And please do not lose hope about the effect on the regular watchers of "The View." If you go to www.televisionwithoutpity.com you will find a message board for people who watch this show every day. Right now, the posts are running very pro-Dr. Paul! This is a great indicator.

rodent
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
well there is really no true comparison for a man to being pregnant as a woman. Any suggestions? :cool:

I think there is. It's like when you buy a new car that you like and you want nothing but the best things for it. Then some asshole dents your baby or tows it on some parking violation.

If you don't think a relationship with a car is possible, I tell you you are wrong. When I moved to NYC and had to give up my car, it felt worse than a break-up.

nullvalu
12-04-2007, 11:28 AM
Please, The View is basically a female version of The Man Show. I'm glad for the publicity but never expected much of its target audience.

lol nice.. when do they shout "Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi!"?

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:29 AM
no - not slammed. I personally am against abortion - I've never had one and although I am past that point in my life - I would not have one - even if I got pregnant right now at age 45. But having said that - who am I to tell another woman what is right for her? I can't do it. I've never been pregnant at a young age with a guy that is not committed (emotionally or financially) and I would not expect someone in that position to see the fetus's rights before her own.

So having said all that - I do not want to tell women that they cannot have an abortion in the 1st trimester - but I do think that late term should be against the law - I consider it murder.


they should have never started abortions. I think the correct right to choose should be I either choose to keep my baby or choose to give it away. To tell a young women that it is ok to choose death for your baby and this choice is what makes you a woman is just wrong! It isn't making you more of a woman to have this choice it's making you more like a god to say who lives and who dies.

Peppy690
12-04-2007, 11:29 AM
i don't know if anyone else has noticed, but when he walked out, or walks anywhere he seems to be slouching. It will really give a better first impression if he stand straight and carries a presence when we walks into a room. He looked like an old man walking onto the set, not our next pres.

I'm all about RP, just wish someone would point this out to him

CurtisLow
12-04-2007, 11:30 AM
i don't know if anyone else has noticed, but when he walked out, or walks anywhere he seems to be slouching. It will really give a better first impression if he stand straight and carries a presence when we walks into a room. He looked like an old man walking onto the set, not our next pres.

I'm all about RP, just wish someone would point this out to him

I agree.

awitelin
12-04-2007, 11:31 AM
Ah, but while a man who wants the woman he's with to have the child and maybe even intends to take care of it on his own can't do anything to stop her, he is compelled to financially support the child even if he had wanted her to get the abortion and she didn't.

And women can still get their tubes tied, so the vasectomy argument isn't the best analogy. ;)

True that it's not a fair system for men, getting no say either way as to what happens to their half of the fetus. Still, even with the legal system, there are tons of men that don't pay child support, and many of the ones that do don't bother with being a positive influence in that child's life. It is much, much harder for women to manage to abandon their children - though it can be done, as one of my best friends in college lacks a mother for that very reason.

rpfreedom08
12-04-2007, 11:31 AM
well there is really no true comparison for a man to being pregnant as a woman. Any suggestions? :cool:

sure there is, killing a baby is like killing anyone just because you don't think they should be or have been born.

nbruno322
12-04-2007, 11:31 AM
youtube?

Thrice
12-04-2007, 11:31 AM
lol nice.. when do they shout "Zicke, Zacke, Zicke, Zacke, Hoi, Hoi, Hoi!"?
I would watch the show more often - even attend - if they were more upfront about its superficiality. Instead of girls bouncing on trampolines, we'd have Chippendale's hopefuls walking around topless and the audience would get free girly drinks like strawberry daquiris.

As for abortion, the solution is to promote research into human egg-laying, of course. There, I just solved the problem (kind of.)

LFOD
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
i don't know if anyone else has noticed, but when he walked out, or walks anywhere he seems to be slouching. It will really give a better first impression if he stand straight and carries a presence when we walks into a room. He looked like an old man walking onto the set, not our next pres.

I'm all about RP, just wish someone would point this out to him

One of several style defects. May this election be about substance over style.

sirachman
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
I sent this here>http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

I would like to point out my displeasure with the "You arent going to win, and you should know that" comment directed towards Ron Paul today on your show. While I understand that you may disagree with him on any number of levels I maintain that you can direct the conversation in any way you wish. However to invite a presidential cantidate on your show, give him 6 minutes, talk over him, and then tell him he has no chance of winning and asking him who he would vote for is beyond rude. As a long time listener to your show I understand that you have many different views and many contradict with mine but your extremely rude treatment of a presidential cantidate who has did nothing but act civil is over the line. You have lost a viewer and I am sure many more like minded people will follow if you don't put forward an apology to your viewers for your heavy handed comments and undeserved disrespect.

Birdlady
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
Agreed. I'm not at all opposed to birth control pills or early contraceptives, but in an abortion, you're talking about a life that is already growing, pulsing, and living inside you. It's a completely different scenario, IMHO.

And I am against the birth control pill because of the disaster it does to a women's hormones. You go on that stuff and your sex drive is lost for years! When you go off of it it takes up a year for your periods to become regular again and your body is screwed up for a long time....

Natural contraceptives is the way to go! Like the ladycomp :)

piotr1
12-04-2007, 11:33 AM
For those of you upset about the nature of the interview, it is important to remember that this is "The View". All interviews are just like this one. This is what the loyal viewers expect.

And please do not lose hope about the effect on the regular watchers of "The View." If you go to www.televisionwithoutpity.com you will find a message board for people who watch this show every day. Right now, the posts are running very pro-Dr. Paul! This is a great indicator.

can you please post a direct link, i can't the fourm.

airborne373
12-04-2007, 11:34 AM
Ron Paul on the View:

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Brennon
12-04-2007, 11:35 AM
I agree.

He may be unable to, or it may be painful for him to do so...or he might just slouch. Hard to say without assessing him.