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William Tell
02-28-2015, 10:39 AM
Nasty, the LP Establishment appears to dislike the Paul's as much as the GOP establishment does.




https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10991072_10153089125312726_721271717016866998_n.pn g?oh=d9979643877be85d3118c872088fe80b&oe=55896F38

https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10153089125312726/?type=1&theater

William Tell
02-28-2015, 10:49 AM
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Eric Brakey:

What are you? Stupid or something? No one would even know about the Libertarian Party if it were not for Ron and Rand Paul. In fact, childish antics like these---alienating the very liberty-minded people you need to grow your party---are the reason why no one will ever take the Libertarian Party seriously.

As a State Senator, I am the highest-elected libertarian in the state of Maine, and right now, I am ashamed to have this organization appropriate the name of my political philosophy.

Shame on you. https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10153089125312726/?type=1&comment_id=10153103743207726&offset=0&total_comments=1193

NativeOne
02-28-2015, 11:12 AM
I am not kidding this is the post
https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10991072_10153089125312726_721271717016866998_n.pn g?oh=33271f32d8dbb6cf9da88b5b250c462f&oe=558022D1
https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10153089125312726/?type=1&theater

They are getting it left and right ..

i wonder if Gary Johnson had anything to do with it??

hmmmm ..

orenbus
02-28-2015, 11:12 AM
wtf

Bergie Bergeron
02-28-2015, 11:13 AM
Look at the comments, people are PISSED. https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10153089125312726/?type=1

AuH20
02-28-2015, 11:13 AM
Yep. Those Pauls are a loathsome bunch. Presidential legacy and all. :)

Christian Liberty
02-28-2015, 11:14 AM
Yeah, because Rand Paul is totally like Clinton or Bush:rolleyes:

All the parties suck.

Brett85
02-28-2015, 11:28 AM
Yeah, because Rand Paul is totally like Clinton or Bush:rolleyes:

All the parties suck.

Cool. You got your user name changed as well.

Christian Liberty
02-28-2015, 11:29 AM
Cool. You got your user name changed as well.

Yep...

William Tell
02-28-2015, 11:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sgk-ZYxKxM

Sola_Fide
02-28-2015, 11:57 AM
Hahaha

NewRightLibertarian
02-28-2015, 01:46 PM
LP is such a joke. Put up Bob Barr as your political candidate and then criticize the Pauls? Gimme a break. Happy I haven't given these folks a dime in nearly half a decade.

Warlord
02-28-2015, 01:54 PM
that's disgusting.

Slutter McGee
02-28-2015, 02:17 PM
Well, at least when conservatives try to claim Rand is a hard core libertarian we can point to this and say.. "Oh no, he is actually a hardcore conservative. See even the Libertarian party hates him."

No need to mention that the Libertarian Party is arguably the dumbest political party in existence.

Slutter McGee

Badger Paul
02-28-2015, 02:22 PM
Not very smart. If it wasn't for Ron no one would give a damn about the LP. Their growth was not by accident.

angelatc
02-28-2015, 02:41 PM
No need to mention that the Libertarian Party is arguably the dumbest political party in existence.

Slutter McGee

Its almost like they do not want to win, isn't it?

philipped
02-28-2015, 03:42 PM
I guess those who joined the LP in 08 & 12 have either become silent on the issue for party loyalty or partisan in the name mudslinging. I still support any individual promoting liberty but now I seriously wish to take back ever giving any props to the LP as an organization at any point in time if they wish to bash the people who helped me find their party altogether in the first place.

rg17
02-28-2015, 03:50 PM
The "Libertarian" party is never going to win an election and lumping the Paul's into Clinton's/Bushes is very stupid. You just committed suicide LP!

Ronin Truth
02-28-2015, 04:05 PM
The LP yet once again displaying its conservative roots and heritage and as still merely being GOP lite.

idiom
02-28-2015, 05:13 PM
LP: "We liked liberty before it was cool. The Paul's, way too popular for Liberty. That's right, we are a political party that doesn't like being popular."

thoughtomator
02-28-2015, 05:18 PM
The LP is one of those organizations that exist to provide jobs for the people running it, and nothing else. It's the political equivalent of a charity that spends all its money on administration and fundraising.

enhanced_deficit
02-28-2015, 05:44 PM
Should check to see if there are any closet neocons are wearing label of "libertarian", there are things like that. Examples Bill Maher, Bill O'Really etc.

brandon
02-28-2015, 05:48 PM
Meh, they are an opposing political party. That is what they are supposed to do. With how much Rand has moderated all his views and talking points the Libertarian party does offer a very different alternative, which is good. I probably will end up voting for them in the general election unless they pick a shit candidate like Bob Barr again.

Vanguard101
02-28-2015, 06:03 PM
It's one thing to call Rand unlibertarian. It's another thing to warp the Pauls as some political dynasty that has establishment ties.


He is the big irony in all of this: Libertarians are criticizing Rand for playing politics, but this is clearly one of the most political acts in recent history.

jmdrake
02-28-2015, 06:03 PM
LOL. I remember how some folks around here (*cough* BlackTerrel *cough*) used to claim that Alex Jones and the conspiracy theorists would turn against the Pauls if they ever got close to winning. Instead AJ went off, as many of us did, for the Rick Perry endorsement, but eventually calmed down and accepted Rand Paul as our last best hope for liberty. But the "mainstream" Libertarian Party is stuck on stupid. I might give them a little bit of credit if they hadn't nominated Bob Barr and Gary Johnson. And Gary Johnson can go to hell with his crap about being pro-abortion is the "libertarian" position.

cajuncocoa
02-28-2015, 06:30 PM
Nasty, the LP Establishment appears to dislike the Paul's as much as the GOP establishment does.
https://www.facebook.com/libertarians/photos/a.10150126121157726.302978.5978057725/10153089125312726/?type=1&theater
Disgusting, considering Ron was their candidate in 1988 and is an honorary lifetime member of their party.

Scrooge McDuck
02-28-2015, 06:32 PM
I totally forgot about how Ron Paul was president.

Matt Collins
02-28-2015, 06:52 PM
This actually helps Rand.

JK/SEA
02-28-2015, 07:00 PM
This actually helps Rand.

thats funny...i was thinking the same thing.

not having the stink of the 'official' libertariian party rubbing off on Rand will get tea-o-cons, and the extremist evangelical right wing to look at Rand as a viable candidate....

Mach
02-28-2015, 07:25 PM
They're probably just trying to increase traffic, one way, or the other.

kahless
02-28-2015, 07:40 PM
LOL. I remember how some folks around here (*cough* BlackTerrel *cough*) used to claim that Alex Jones and the conspiracy theorists would turn against the Pauls if they ever got close to winning. Instead AJ went off, as many of us did, for the Rick Perry endorsement, but eventually calmed down and accepted Rand Paul as our last best hope for liberty. But the "mainstream" Libertarian Party is stuck on stupid. I might give them a little bit of credit if they hadn't nominated Bob Barr and Gary Johnson. And Gary Johnson can go to hell with his crap about being pro-abortion is the "libertarian" position.

I could not vote for GJ due to the abortion issue and used to think what a shame. Now a days every time I hear his name I equate him to being a dick on that issue.

IndianaPolitico
02-28-2015, 08:18 PM
They had no trouble riding the publicity wave with the Pauls, now they attempt to act all morally superior.

PatriotOne
02-28-2015, 08:53 PM
Libertarian Party has long been infiltrated (if it wasn't originally created) by the opposition long ago to "divide and conquer". Bob "CIA" Barr should have been a red flag to everyone. If that wasn't, becoming an enemy of the Paul's should drive that message home today.

PatriotOne
02-28-2015, 08:59 PM
Rand must REALLY be scaring the crap out of the opposition to allow the Libertarian Party to self implode like this. So many pissed off Libertarians in the facebook comments. I love it!

Saint Vitus
02-28-2015, 09:56 PM
Rand Paul is not a Libertarian, so I don't know why its such a shock that they put out this ad. It actually makes a good point, Jeb, Rand, and Hillary are all running on name recognition that comes from the coattails of their family members that they are riding in on. Exactly why would the Libertarian party support Rand, when he claims himself that he's not a libertarian and likens them to pot-smoking nudists? They are a political party who are trying to get as many votes as possible, why the hell should they support a GOP candidate?

Unknownuser
02-28-2015, 09:56 PM
Yup. Officially the stupidest thing I've seen in a very long time.

PatriotOne
02-28-2015, 11:03 PM
They are a political party who are trying to get as many votes as possible.......

Oh...was THAT what they were going for? Looks more like a "going out of business sale" ad to me according to the facebook comments.

Saint Vitus
02-28-2015, 11:41 PM
Oh...was THAT what they were going for? Looks more like a "going out of business sale" ad to me according to the facebook comments.

What are they supposed to do? Endorse Rand Paul? By his own admission, he's not a small L or little l libertarian. The party has to make sure that people understand that, so that they can remain relevant. (although it's debatable if they have ever been relevant). There are some true libertarians who hope that they will run a decent candidate, so that we can have an actual candidate to support who will endorse libertarian issues. Rand Paul is clearly not going to do that, especially as he tries to win a GOP nomination.

Christian Liberty
03-01-2015, 12:01 AM
Rand Paul is not a Libertarian, so I don't know why its such a shock that they put out this ad. It actually makes a good point, Jeb, Rand, and Hillary are all running on name recognition that comes from the coattails of their family members that they are riding in on. Exactly why would the Libertarian party support Rand, when he claims himself that he's not a libertarian and likens them to pot-smoking nudists? They are a political party who are trying to get as many votes as possible, why the hell should they support a GOP candidate?

I can respect being a purist but the LP is not purist and hasn't been for a long time.

Mach
03-01-2015, 12:20 AM
Making their rounds, I guess....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/27/politics/cpac-2015-rand-paul-gary-johnson/

cindy25
03-01-2015, 12:39 AM
I think they are bitter that Ron didn't run as a Libertarian in 2012.

still, a 3rd party should not be ruled out. a new 3rd party without the doctrinaire policies of the LP. Libertarian on social issues, except for abortion, with a strong emphasis on states rights. non-interventionism in foreign policy, maybe a mixture between Ron and Rand views.

I still have a hard time believing that Rand or any other Libertarian leaning candidate will ever win a GOP nomination. CPAC sure, maybe even a few states this time. imagine if Rand would at least do the basics of a part set-up, if only to scare the establishment.
in some states potential GOP candidates seek the conservative or other 3rd party nomination, to force the GOP to endorse them.

idiom
03-01-2015, 03:32 AM
What are they supposed to do? Endorse Rand Paul? By his own admission, he's not a small L or little l libertarian. The party has to make sure that people understand that, so that they can remain relevant. (although it's debatable if they have ever been relevant). There are some true libertarians who hope that they will run a decent candidate, so that we can have an actual candidate to support who will endorse libertarian issues. Rand Paul is clearly not going to do that, especially as he tries to win a GOP nomination.

They need to stop blowing their wad chasing the Presidency. Pick one state and get some seats there, show that it works. Get a governorship. Have a state economically outperforming 49 others while bucking Fed funds.

cindy25
03-01-2015, 05:15 AM
I don't understand why Rand can't seek both nominations. Romney ran on Republican and Conservative lines in NY. what is wrong with a second or third ballot line in every state?

cindy25
03-01-2015, 05:19 AM
They need to stop blowing their wad chasing the Presidency. Pick one state and get some seats there, show that it works. Get a governorship. Have a state economically outperforming 49 others while bucking Fed funds.

agree with the focus on certain states, but better to target congressional and state legislative districts. a libertarian governor with a Dem or Rep sponsored state legislature would be a disaster.

they should also target via Rep and Dem primaries. try to take out Peter King. and not just Libertarians. the greens should do the same thing.

Brett85
03-01-2015, 09:13 AM
still, a 3rd party should not be ruled out. a new 3rd party without the doctrinaire policies of the LP. Libertarian on social issues, except for abortion, with a strong emphasis on states rights. non-interventionism in foreign policy, maybe a mixture between Ron and Rand views.

That's close to what the Constitution Party believes, except that they're socially conservative on more issues than just abortion. But they at least understand the 10th Amendment and support federalism on those issues.

willwash
03-01-2015, 09:57 AM
secret ploy to help rand get chummy with the neocons?

Ronin Truth
03-01-2015, 11:33 AM
Well, so much for the NAP. I always knew the LP weren't ever REALLY libertarians.

Christian Liberty
03-01-2015, 02:35 PM
That's close to what the Constitution Party believes, except that they're socially conservative on more issues than just abortion. But they at least understand the 10th Amendment and support federalism on those issues.

Pretty much, hence why I like them. Not on everything, mind you. I think they could go even further when it comes to supporting the current government, and I don't like how they go for legal positivism on the immigration question. But, I would at least qualify the Constitution Party as imperfect but nonetheless solid supporters of liberty, as opposed to just slightly modified fascism like the GOP.

Christian Liberty
03-01-2015, 02:36 PM
Well, so much for the NAP. I always knew the LP weren't ever REALLY libertarians.

I used to be big on the NAP, but the NAP when taken to the extreme leads to some really stupid positions and can actually lead to tyranny.

Ronin Truth
03-01-2015, 03:41 PM
I used to be big on the NAP, but the NAP when taken to the extreme leads to some really stupid positions and can actually lead to tyranny.

Some might even go so far as to think that the NAP when taken to the extreme, leads to some really stupid things, like Jesus and the Golden Rule.

heavenlyboy34
03-01-2015, 03:59 PM
Well, so much for the NAP. I always knew the LP weren't ever REALLY libertarians.

IIRC, it started out libertarian, getting the likes of Harry Browne nominated, but was subsequently taken over by disgruntled Right-wingers and Objectivists. I don't do the collectivist political party nonsense, so I'm not sure.

NoOneButPaul
03-01-2015, 06:33 PM
If all of these morons would just give it up and focus on taking over the GOP we could have driven all of the NeoCons out and potentially saved the world from WW3.

Instead these fools do stuff like this. Just amazing...

Cleaner44
03-01-2015, 07:15 PM
As a proud libertarian, the Libertarian party can suck my balls!

satchelmcqueen
03-02-2015, 05:42 PM
yes i saw this to the ther day on fb. my response is somewhere in there. it is a damn shame they would put the pauls in with the likes of the rest. thats probably the dumbest post ive ever saw political wise.

twomp
03-02-2015, 08:19 PM
I wouldn't be here and my mind wouldn't have expanded without Ron Paul. I never bash LP but this is about as stupid as it gets. Bite the hand that feeds you and you won't get fed. Idiots.