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Suzanimal
02-25-2015, 01:55 PM
This Is the National Revenge Porn Law We Need

The United States has been waiting too long for federal law banning revenge porn. The wait will be over soon. In the coming weeks, Congresswoman Jackie Speier will introduce a bill that would make revenge porn a federal crime—finally.

"Today it's possible to ruin someone's life with the click of a button, by publishing another person's private images without their consent," Rep. Speier told me. "Our laws haven't yet caught up with this crime."

The bill, set to be introduced this spring, would make revenge porn a federal crime. It's designed to create new criminal statutes that not only apply to the people who run revenge porn sites but also criminal liability to the individuals who upload and share the content, which is where things get controversial: Even sites that unwittingly host links to the content, like Facebook and Google, could face criminal penalties for enabling distribution. Those penalties will be determined on a sliding scale of sleaziness. While there will be no minimum penalty, for revenge porn bill will set a maximum penalty for revenge porn offenses that will include jail time.

The hurdles on Capitol Hill

Of course, Speier's revenge porn bill is not yet a law, and while it's hard to imagine who would condone the practice of publishing naked photos of someone out of spite—often with personally identifiable information about the victim—a law banning revenge porn stands to be controversial on Capitol Hill. Long story short, it could threaten existing laws designed to protect free speech.

The American Civil Liberties Union has already challenged Arizona's law criminalizing revenge porn for violating the First Amendment. But Speier's bill goes to great lengths to be very specific about what constitutes revenge porn. It puts it in a similar category as child pornography, a type of speech basically everyone can agree is destructive.


There's still a good chance the bill will pass. There are many signs that's there's a public demand to crack down on the vile practice.

Sixteen states have already passed their own legislation banning revenge porn. In December, a California court sent a man named Noe Iniguez to jail for year after he published naked photos of his ex-girlfriend on her employer's Facebook page; he was the first to be sentenced under California's new revenge porn law. Earlier this month, 28-year-old Kevin Bollaert became the first person in the country convicted under state law for running a revenge porn website. (The sicko also ran another website that charged victims $350 to have the nude photos removed.)

Overseas, the UK just passed a law making revenge porn a crime punishable by up to two years in prison. This happened around the time that Japanese authorities arrested the first man suspected of violating the anti-revenge porn law passed last November. Meanwhile, the European Union's "right to be forgotten" law could lead to a ban on the entire continent.

Even the Federal Trade Commission has effectively banned revenge porn websites. With such precedent, it's almost surprising Congress hasn't acted sooner. But things aren't so simple on the federal level.

The lack of legislation from Capitol Hill made it difficult to prosecute so-called revenge porn kingpins like Hunter Moore, founder of the infamous site IsAnyoneUp.com. Just a few days ago, the villainous 28-year-old pleaded guilty to federal crimes related to running his revenge porn empire—but because there's no federal law prohibiting revenge porn, he faced hacking charges. Moore pleaded guilty to charges of unauthorized access to a computer, aiding and abetting unauthorized access of a computer, and identity theft.

The proposed federal revenge porn law would not only change this, it'd go a step further and put websites on the hook for any porn photos uploaded voluntarily by vindictive users. Sites like Facebook generally enjoy protection against legal claims related to content that they host, under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Right now, this includes vindictive pornographic photos. But making revenge porn a federal crime would strip away this safe harbor, as Section 230 "does not apply to federal criminal law, intellectual property law, and electronic communications privacy law."

Speier's legislation would make hosting revenge porn just as illegal as hosting, say, copyrighted material or medical records. "We already punish the unauthorized disclosure of private information like medical records and financial identifiers," says the congresswoman. "Why should personal images of one's naked body, given in confidence, be any different?"

What about free speech?

Some will surely argue that placing restrictions on the kind of content you can put on the internet threatens freedom of speech. Fair. But while that argument might work for political protest. It's a lot less convincing when you're talking about sexually explicit images of a person—usually a woman—that's being shared publicly without her consent. Need a more visceral example? Consider child pornography.

Speier and her team of advisors looked at existing legislation banning child porn in order to navigate the sensitive issues of the revenge porn legislation. The bill specifies that the photos posted online must be sexually explicit, not taken in public, and distributed without written consent in order to violate the revenge porn law.

A number of provisions have been added to ensure that sites unwittingly hosting content are given a reasonable amount of time to take down the photos or links to the photos after being notified by the authorities. (Reddit actually just issued its own specific ban.) The penalties for not doing so vary based on the circumstances. Basically, websites will be notified when links to revenge porn are found on their sites, and if they don't take them down in a timely manner, they'll face a penalty. The legislation is designed to create tiers of involvement in the crime in order to provide safe harbor for sites that are unaware of the offending content—think Facebook—while also maintaining some legal recourse for sites that simply refuse to take down links—think 4chan.

In the end, this federal revenge porn legislation is designed to help the most helpless victims. As Speier herself put it, " If you're Jennifer Lawrence, you can pay a high-priced lawyer to demand that websites take your picture down, but for an average person, the current system offers almost no recourse." The patchwork of state laws banning revenge porn are helpful, of course. But only if you live in those states.

In other words, this isn't just about nude photos. Mary Anne Franks, a law professor at the University of Miami who advised Speier on her new legislation explains that a federal law is necessary to combat revenge porn in order to acknowledge that America condemns such offenses.

"We have federal criminal laws against computer hacking, identity theft, and many other breaches of privacy because we recognize the severe and in many cases irremediable harm to society at large that such conduct causes," Franks told me. "The same should be true for the violation of sexual privacy."

Inevitably, explained Franks, it's about how we treat women. It's worth quoting her at length here:


Nonconsensual pornography does more than just harm individual victims. The vast majority of victims are women and girls, and the consequences of sexual exposure for women and girls tend to be more negative than for men and boys. That means that this conduct, and the threat of this conduct, has serious implications for gender equality. Women withdraw from every sphere of meaningful activity when they fall victim to this crime: work, school, social media, personal relationships. The effect of brutal, unwilling exposure is that women try to disappear.
Once these photos are on the internet, it's next to impossible to get them off, meaning deterrence is really the best weapon against future abuse. And what else are federal criminal laws for?

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Cabal
02-25-2015, 02:14 PM
a sliding scale of sleaziness

I lol'd.

AuH20
02-25-2015, 02:17 PM
I have a simple solution. Don't take provocative photos or make provocative videos. Why do we need a law to protect stupidity?

Suzanimal
02-25-2015, 02:19 PM
I have a simple solution. Don't take provocative photos or make provocative videos. Why do we need a law to protect stupidity?

Gender equality?


The vast majority of victims are women and girls, and the consequences of sexual exposure for women and girls tend to be more negative than for men and boys. That means that this conduct, and the threat of this conduct, has serious implications for gender equality.

specsaregood
02-25-2015, 02:20 PM
..

Dr.3D
02-25-2015, 02:49 PM
Just what we need, another excuse to lock somebody up.

When are legislators going to figure out that making laws doesn't keep people from doing things?

The Gold Standard
02-25-2015, 02:55 PM
I've been waiting and hoping for government to protect me from this. Thank you.

paleocon1
02-25-2015, 05:04 PM
Simply no Constitutional warrant for any such Fed Law.

heavenlyboy34
02-25-2015, 05:15 PM
Just what we need, another excuse to lock somebody up.

When are legislators going to figure out that making laws doesn't keep people from doing things?

They won't. They'll only stop when they (and/or their cronies) can't profit from it anymore.

Danke
02-25-2015, 05:55 PM
I never post that stuff in spite or revenge, just for shits and giggles.

Spikender
02-25-2015, 05:56 PM
Not my favorite kind!

Prestige
02-25-2015, 06:30 PM
revenge porn is nasty, glad they're doing something about it

Danke
02-25-2015, 06:31 PM
revenge porn is nasty, glad they're doing something about it

What about gossip?

mosquitobite
02-25-2015, 06:35 PM
I have to say, on face value I do think the simple solution is to not allow nude pictures or videos to be taken, but what about those who do it secretly? I mean they make nanny cams so hidden you'd never know it. Then what? The girl didn't allow the video, but still has revenge porn to deal with.


Just about reason to stay celibate til marriage.

presence
02-25-2015, 06:41 PM
If you willfully let somebody take a picture of you in a private setting, naked or otherwise, without an explicit model contract, then you should have no right to that content after the fact.

tony m
02-25-2015, 06:46 PM
sliding scale of sleaziness


I lol'd.

I could see Frank Zappa questioning the committee on this.

Cabal
02-25-2015, 06:49 PM
If you willfully let somebody take a picture of you in a private setting, naked or otherwise, without an explicit model contract, then you should have no right to that content after the fact.

I suspect most couples generally have an implicit agreement or understanding of non-disclosure when it comes to such private, intimate activities. One may even be able to argue that the consent to record such images, or video was only granted under the conditions of that non-disclosure, and that breaking that non-disclosure is perhaps a breach of contract, if you will.

tod evans
02-25-2015, 07:07 PM
This idea of another "law", one written to allegedly protect people doing something they're ashamed of is insane.

If blackmail is involved then seek charges under standing law, if there's no blackmail and just pictures or movies so what.

People, men and women, know that in todays world digital film is free and it's not uncommon for friends, acquaintances or lovers to capture your image.

I personally would rather see legislation, if there's gotta be more legislation, that punishes government for cataloguing images of citizens for their nefarious purposes...

UWDude
02-25-2015, 07:30 PM
I have pictures and videos. And private they remain.
But I don't feel much pity for girls who go out with assholes.
I mean, if an asshole will do that, there were red flags before he did it.
There were red flags the first meeting, I am sure.

Lot of girls I know, go out with total selfish dickheads. Then they cry after they get heartbroken. And I'm just like, "girl, I told you he was a jerk"
Now, I know you are thinking, I am some man-hating beast that hates competition, I don't.
But there are some real pieces of work out there. Some real, total, selfish fuckheads.

heavenlyboy34
02-25-2015, 08:05 PM
I suspect most couples generally have an implicit agreement or understanding of non-disclosure when it comes to such private, intimate activities. One may even be able to argue that the consent to record such images, or video was only granted under the conditions of that non-disclosure, and that breaking that non-disclosure is perhaps a breach of contract, if you will.

Not a fan of tacit contracts/agreements. It's hard to defend them outside of the statist paradigm. Even the horrifying mess of fascism that is the just-us system almost never recognizes tacit contracts as legit. The IP thugs are only able to get away with it because they have stinking rich lobbies, own a few congress-critters, and have deep pockets with which to sue people. :P

pcosmar
02-25-2015, 08:55 PM
revenge porn is nasty, glad they're doing something about it

A lot of porn is nasty.. That's why it's porn.

But I have a question,,
Who owns the photos? The person that took them and has possession of the originals..
or the person who is photographed.

Who owns the photos? the photographer? or the model?

pcosmar
02-25-2015, 08:57 PM
But there are some real pieces of work out there. Some real, total, selfish fuckheads.

Yup,, this has been my observation as well. many times over many years.

ThePaleoLibertarian
02-25-2015, 09:03 PM
I have a simple solution. Don't take provocative photos or make provocative videos. Why do we need a law to protect stupidity?
THAS VICTUUUUM BLAYMING YOU CISMAEL SHITLORD!

amy31416
02-25-2015, 09:08 PM
There are probably some folks out there who had pics/videos taken of them prior to the rise of the internet. There are different scenarios.

pcosmar
02-25-2015, 09:21 PM
There are probably some folks out there who had pics/videos taken of them prior to the rise of the internet. There are different scenarios.

Perhaps.. But who owns them? The idiot that posed naked?.. or the idiot that took the photo.? (and had possession of it)

PRB
02-26-2015, 09:22 AM
I have a simple solution. Don't take provocative photos or make provocative videos. Why do we need a law to protect stupidity?

There's already a few big laws that govern this topic, it's amazing if they're not sufficient.

1. Copyright. DMCA takedown notices apply to ALL US sites and servers, very few people bother to go overseas in a niche such as revenge porn, as the hassle of hiding wouldn't pay off in such a small audience (there is no money to be made with sites like these, the most they can make is advertising revenue and/or extortionist "take down fees", both of which leave traces to US jurisdictions most of the time. That doesn't stop people from trying as bitcoin is becoming the new trading mechanism of illegal sites).

2. Porn laws in general. In the US, all porn sites must provide proof that all performers are adults & have consented to being published.

3. Privacy & release. These are laws that protect actors and unauthorized releases. (They're basically echoes of Copyright & consent laws). Although privacy isn't a right, it's recognized in almost all states as an actionable tort (unfortunately).

Under these rules above, revenge porn sites can't last, they're not profitable and hard to maintain. New laws will not add to prevention, at best, they'll put pressure on ISPs to increase scrutiny (something they're hands off on thanks to Section 230 CDA)

Feelgood
02-26-2015, 10:21 AM
http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2015/01/website-operator-banned-revenge-porn-business-after-ftc-charges

Thought that was already the law.... :toady:

morfeeis
02-26-2015, 11:20 AM
What if i have multiple personality disorder and one of the people in my head post videos of me online? can i file charges and once they are put away whose going to build the roads?

Suzanimal
02-26-2015, 11:25 AM
What if i have multiple personality disorder and one of the people in my head post videos of me online? can i file charges and once they are put away whose going to build the roads?

http://i.imgur.com/effUyzy.gif

VoluntaryAmerican
02-26-2015, 11:33 AM
If there wasnt a 2nd amendment guns would be outlawed. Because for these statists the mentality is to ban everything they disagree with or find offensive. And to hell with the people who disagree.

PRB
02-26-2015, 08:44 PM
What if i have multiple personality disorder and one of the people in my head post videos of me online? can i file charges and once they are put away whose going to build the roads?

You think you're being clever, that's like saying what if you have MPD/DID and you defame yourself, you stab yourself....among millions of things a person with MPD can do to "himself". The answer would be the same, regardless of whether you can file charges, good luck with the jury recognizing your "problem". if you have MPD/DID posting naked pictures of yourself is the least of your concerns, trust me.

(Oh yes, leave it to NorthCarolinaLiberty to say I have MPD because I supposedly post under multiple accounts)

Stratovarious
02-27-2015, 06:42 AM
Another Gov meddling Law , just what we need.

How about, don't do porn shoots if you don't want it seen ?

Concept.

mosquitobite
02-27-2015, 07:50 AM
Another Gov meddling Law , just what we need.

How about, don't do porn shoots if you don't want it seen ?

Concept.

I suppose it never occurs that someone may videotape something against someone's will.

Oh well, still their fault!

Stratovarious
02-27-2015, 10:08 AM
I suppose it never occurs that someone may videotape something against someone's will.

Oh well, still their fault!
Occur to someone there might already be legal remedies against invasion of privacy ?
Oh well.....

mosquitobite
02-27-2015, 10:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyteOQHkyLs

TheTexan
02-27-2015, 10:55 AM
Sounds like a great way to frame-job an ex-lover. Post photos of yourself using a proxy then call the cops and say your ex-lover posted them without consent.

Good point. We need a law against revenge revenge-porn.