Feds raid Texas political meeting; fingerprint and photograph all attendees, seize phones

[devil21]

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Feds-raid-Texas-secessionist-meeting-6096637.php#photo-4833856


It seemed like a typical congressional meeting for the Republic of Texas. Senators and the president gathered in the center of a Bryan, Texas, meeting hall, surrounded by public onlookers, to debate issues of the national currency, develop international relations and celebrate the birthday of one of their oldest members.

But this wasn't 1836, and this would be no ordinary legislative conference. Minutes into the meeting a man among the onlookers stood and moved to open the hall door, letting in an armed and armored force of the Bryan Police Department, the Brazos County Sheriff's Office, the Kerr County Sheriff's Office, Agents of the Texas District Attorney, the Texas Rangers and the FBI.

In the end, at least 20 officers corralled, searched and fingerprinted all 60 meeting attendees, before seizing all cellphones and recording equipment in a Valentine's Day 2015 raid on the Texas separatist group.

The raid was a response to legal summons sent by Republic of Texas members to a Kerr County judge and bank employee, demanding they appear in the Republic's court at the Veterans and Foreign Wars building in Bryan the day the officers stormed in. Jarnecke's group, the subject of a half-hour YouTube documentary, maintains a small working government, including official currency, congress and courts.

"You can't just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren't even real courts," said Kerr County sheriff Rusty Hierholzer, who led the operation.

He acknowledged he used a "show of force," grouping officers from city, county state and federal law enforcement to serve a search warrant for suspicions of a misdemeanor crime. He said he had worries that some extremists in the group could become violent, citing a 1997 incident when 300 state troopers surrounded an armed Republic leader for a weeklong standoff.

much more at link


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2nd article:
http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/republic-of-texas-raid/

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Some positions are just too dangerous, and people need to be arrested just for holding them and being in the same room with others who agree. The idea that people should secede peacefully and govern themselves as they see fit is an evil, racist, patriarchal, imperialist concept enforced by heteronormative cisgendered white males; the most eeeevvvyuulll group there is./

[fr33]

r/Texas could really use some helpful comments... http://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/2wyixc/feds_raid_texas_secessionist_meeting_houston/

[CPUd]

I'm not sure what they were expecting to happen by filing their fake summons to a real judge to come down to their fake court at the VFW.

[TheTexan]

TEXAS

[fr33]

I'm not sure what they were expecting to happen by filing their fake summons to a real judge to come down to their fake court at the VFW.
You use the word "fake". But there are real consequences involved in the raid. If it's fake then they should have ignored it. Instead the govt officials chose to point real guns at people.

[TheTexan]

Answer me this, how many other states get their secession meetings raided?

#TexasIsWinning

[TheTexan]

The raid was a response to legal summons sent by Republic of Texas members to a Kerr County judge and bank employee, demanding they appear in the Republic's court at the Veterans and Foreign Wars building

I take it the judge didnt appear, because he deems their government to be illegitimate, and then sent armed men on a mission to deny their government's claim on him.

Seems like a perfectly rational, reasonable thing to do.

[CPUd]

You use the word "fake". But there are real consequences involved in the raid. If it's fake then they should have ignored it. Instead the govt officials chose to point real guns at people.

It is illegal in TX to simulate a legal process. The raid was an execution of a search warrant, but the reason all those LE agencies were involved is because of the previous group under the same name who were considered to be violent.

[UWDude]

Everybody in the United States has the right to call a constitutional convention, and those calls must be counted. They should have started the constitutional convention process. Form there, they may be able to make an amendment to the new constitution that states have a right to secede.

[fr33]

It is illegal in TX to simulate a legal process. The raid was an execution of a search warrant, but the reason all those LE agencies were involved is because of the previous group under the same name who were considered to be violent.
Raid every FFA meeting and civics class then. They simulate the legal process too.

[CPUd]

Raid every FFA meeting and civics class then. They simulate the legal process too.

They don't have a problem with stuff like that. The line is crossed when a paper is served that has certain wording or formatting on it making it look like it is from a court. I'm asking around to find the actual document, but we may not see it unless someone gets charged and it becomes public record. That's why they were grabbing laptops and phones, to try and find out who created it.

[pcosmar]

They failed to remove the occupying army before attempting to hold court.

This is a mistake others can learn from.

[mrsat_98]

They failed to remove the occupying army before attempting to hold court.

This is a mistake others can learn from.

Very Observant, grasshopper.

[jmdrake]

I'm not sure what they were expecting to happen by filing their fake summons to a real judge to come down to their fake court at the VFW.

What law were they breaking by doing that? It doesn't sound like they were breaking any law at all.

[tod evans]

"You can't just let people go around filing false documents to judges trying to make them appear in front of courts that aren't even real courts," said Kerr County sheriff Rusty Hierholzer, who led the operation.

He acknowledged he used a "show of force," grouping officers from city, county state and federal law enforcement to serve a search warrant


Here's Mr. Show of force;

3831

[samforpaul]

Could the raiding officers now be mobilized to serve at the TX - Mex border?

[Matt Collins]

Both the LEOs and the secessionists were acting ridiculous in this situation.

[Lucille]

But most of their complaints have to do with the behavior of the American legislature and executive. Robert Wilson, a senator in the Republic, equated politicians in Washington D.C. to the "kings and emperors" of the past, and sees Texas independence as part of a worldwide movement for local control.

"This is the century for colonialist ambitions to be reversed," the 78-year-old pastor said. "I've watched a lot of things happen, and the people of the world are fed up. The spirit of the world right now is: make things smaller, move governments closer to home, take back self-rule."

Jarnecke said he was being taxed by a foreign government that he feels doesn't represent him, and protested having to fund bank bailouts and foreign wars.

"According to the U.S. Constitution, the only place any army should be is guarding our own borders, not invading and trying to impose their will on every other country of the world," Jarnecke said.

Still, he and Wilson said their group would not resort to violence, but is working through world courts to get international recognition of an independent Texas. They said their methods are legal, but Sheriff Hierholzer contests that.

"We've had a lot of dealings with Republic of Texas members in the past here, too, flooding the court with simulated documents," he said. "I don't have any problem with them going back to the Republic of Texas but they need to do it through the proper legal channels."

IOW, work within the hopelessly corrupt system to stop the egregious violations of the Constitution by the corrupt system.

[CPUd]

What law were they breaking by doing that? It doesn't sound like they were breaking any law at all.

We will have to wait and see if anyone gets charged, but something to the effect of this:


§ 32.48. SIMULATING LEGAL PROCESS. (a) A person commits
an offense if the person recklessly causes to be delivered to
another any document that simulates a summons, complaint, judgment,
or other court process with the intent to:
(1) induce payment of a claim from another person; or
(2) cause another to:
(A) submit to the putative authority of the document; or
(B) take any action or refrain from taking any action in response to the document, in compliance with the document, or on the basis of the document.
(b) Proof that the document was mailed to any person with the intent that it be forwarded to the intended recipient is a sufficient showing that the document was delivered.
(c) It is not a defense to prosecution under this section that the simulating document:
(1) states that it is not legal process; or
(2) purports to have been issued or authorized by a person or entity who did not have lawful authority to issue or authorize the document.
(d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the simulating document was filed with, presented to, or delivered to a clerk of a court or an employee of a clerk of a court created or established under the constitution or laws of this state, there is a rebuttable presumption that the document was delivered with the intent described by Subsection (a).
(e) Except as provided by Subsection (f), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(f) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant has previously been convicted of a violation of this section, the offense is a state jail felony.

Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 189, § 3, eff. May 21, 1997.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/32.48.00.html

Usually there are accompanying charges having to do with threatening or impersonating a public official.

If they were in Florida, these would be felony charges.

[Keith and stuff]

Why is fingerprinting so common in Texas? What's up with the support for it? It wasn't until this month that the policy requiring 10 prints to vote, get a government ID or DL stopped. You still have to have 2 of your prints entered into the criminal database to function in Texas. It seems so strange. Texas is the one state that banned regular DUI checkpoints, because they were a violation of the US Constitution, because DUI checkpoints assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Yet, if you want to function in society in Texas, it is assumed that you are guilty and you have to have a background check.

[Lucille]

Some might say it's actually the government that is simulating the legal process. The Constitution means what the Just Us system say it means.

The police state, bank bailouts and other forms of fascism, spying on everyone with impunity, endless war, unelected bureaucracies essentially writing law, asset forfeiture, property theft (yadda yadda yadda)--the courts sign off on all of it.

There is no justice in this country, and its citizens have no real rights anymore, and for anyone to believe otherwise or assert that its citizens can work within the (corrupt) system is a self-deluded fool or part of the system.

[devil21]

Beware of the "world court" part of the op article.

The disinfo formula today is 80% truth and 20% misdirection but the 20% is where the premise of the truth is obscured in order to lead one in the wrong direction.

A world court needs to approve of TX secession? Really?

[invisible]

Why is fingerprinting so common in Texas? What's up with the support for it? It wasn't until this month that the policy requiring 10 prints to vote, get a government ID or DL stopped. You still have to have 2 of your prints entered into the criminal database to function in Texas. It seems so strange. Texas is the one state that banned regular DUI checkpoints, because they were a violation of the US Constitution, because DUI checkpoints assume everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Yet, if you want to function in society in Texas, it is assumed that you are guilty and you have to have a background check.

IA doesn't have them either, the state Supreme Court ruled them unConstitutional (in the early 1980's, IIRC). That was why the recent operation in or near Des Moines caused a bit of an outcry, because it was done under some other pretense.

[Keith and stuff]

IA doesn't have them either, the state Supreme Court ruled them unConstitutional (in the early 1980's, IIRC). That was why the recent operation in or near Des Moines caused a bit of an outcry, because it was done under some other pretense.

I meant that TX is the only state to ban DUI checkpoints for that specific reason - the US Constitution. There are a bunch of states that don't do DUI checkpoints. Still, checkpoints of some type happen in all 50 states. Heck, I remember when TX brilliantly got around it's no DUI checkpoint policy by going into hotel bars and arresting anyone that appeared drunk. http://www.wnd.com/2006/03/35378/

[idiom]

I take it the judge didnt appear, because he deems their government to be illegitimate, and then sent armed men on a mission to deny their government's claim on him.

Seems like a perfectly rational, reasonable thing to do.

If we just got rid of the State, I can't see that ever happening again.

[Created4]

BRYAN, TX — Federal and local police forces raided a political meeting, taking unusual measures to document every attendee by taking fingerprints and photographs, and seizing every cell phone and all recording equipment in the meeting hall.

The raid took place on February 14, 2015, at VFW Post 4892 in Bryan, Texas. At 10:10 a.m., an “army of policing agencies with flashing emergency lights” showed up, shut down the meeting of “congenial and unimposing” Texans and forced them to hand over their private effects and biometric data.

The meeting was the monthly gathering of a group known as the Republic of Texas. Drawing participants from hundreds of miles away, the group shares a common vision of an independence Texan nation.

Full story: http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/republic-of-texas-raid/

[tod evans]

Are the kops okay?

[fisharmor]

Gotta get thise pro-slavery bigots in line.

[Mach]

If this doesn't get people pissed, nothing will.


http://thetexasrepublic.com/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvQBKOYDbg#t=111

[CPUd]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469593-Feds-raid-Texas-secessionist-meeting

[FSP-Rebel]

At least DHS is fully funded for the next week.:p

[Matt Collins]

Not sure who is being more ridiculous, the targets or the LEOs.

[Anti Federalist]

Not sure who is being more ridiculous, the targets or the LEOs.

Why?

[Matt Collins]

Why?
Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.

[Zippyjuan]

I agree that was silly. But the Fed and local authority responce was over the top too.

[Anti Federalist]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.

So, one group of silly people in silly outfits issuing demands is "asinine".

But when the other group does it, it's "the law".

And the only real difference is that group B has a squad of heavily armed men, ready and willing to light your ass up for non compliance.

[kcchiefs6465]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.
Lmao.

[Matt Collins]

I agree that was silly. But the Fed and local authority responce was over the top too.
As I wrote... I am not sure who was being more asinine in this situation...

[Matt Collins]

So, one group of silly people in silly outfits issuing demands is "asinine".

But when the other group does it, it's "the law".

And the only real difference is that group B has a squad of heavily armed men, ready and willing to light your ass up for non compliance.
No, one is the legitimate government, the other is just a group of random people with zero power.

Just because a government is not illegitimate doesn't mean it can't abuse its power, such as it did in this instance.

[Anti Federalist]

Are the kops okay?

I'm sure the heroes are fine.

[Mach]

I look up to them, I would be proud to serve in their administration.

Did you watch the video? 19:00



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbvQBKOYDbg

[The Gold Standard]

No, one is the legitimate government

Says who? You?

[Sola_Fide]

Land of the free, folks.

[KCIndy]

“As if dangerous criminals, many of the Texian people — generally seniors of respected middle-class business, farming, broadcasting, engineering, scientific, health, veterans, and faith-based backgrounds — were one-by-one physically searched on their person and in their vehicles, fingerprinted, detained and then had their personal belongings and property searched and seized,” the Republic of Texas described on its website.

The website noted some of the belongings that were seized by police: “cell phones, iPads, laptops, business papers, Republic of Texas paperwork, coinage and other valuables.”
.....

No arrests were made, and the matter remains under investigation.


I thought someone had to be arrested first, before fingerprints were allowed to be taken. What's next? Instead of, "your papers - NOW!" are we going to start hearing, "step to the right, and give us your prints!" at random checkpoints? :mad:

[KCIndy]

Some might say it's actually the government that is simulating the legal process. The Constitution means what the Just Us system say it means.

The police state, bank bailouts and other forms of fascism, spying on everyone with impunity, endless war, unelected bureaucracies essentially writing law, asset forfeiture, property theft (yadda yadda yadda)--the courts sign off on all of it.

There is no justice in this country, and its citizens have no real rights anymore, and for anyone to believe otherwise or assert that its citizens can work within the (corrupt) system is a self-deluded fool or part of the system.


That's it. You have cut straight to the core of the problem.

[CPUd]

I thought someone had to be arrested first, before fingerprints were allowed to be taken. What's next? Instead of, "your papers - NOW!" are we going to start hearing, "step to the right, and give us your prints!" at random checkpoints? :mad:

The search warrant included prints. It also included DNA, but they didn't take any DNA. What they were doing was getting evidence to find out who produced the fake papers.

[pcosmar]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.
Who has "authority" in this country?

Hint. "We the People"

[pcosmar]

The search warrant included prints. It also included DNA, but they didn't take any DNA. What they were doing was getting evidence to find out who produced the fake papers.

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.


They failed to remove the occupying army before attempting to hold court.

This is a mistake others can learn from.

[LibForestPaul]

Because these guys were issuing summons to local area judges demanding they appear in front of their group.... totally asinine.

All it takes is for a small and dedicated group to stop the chain of obedience, and this place folds in an instance.

[Professor8000]

The Texas Constitution clearly states in Article 1,
"Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."
and
"Sec. 29. PROVISIONS OF BILL OF RIGHTS EXCEPTED FROM POWERS OF GOVERNMENT; TO FOREVER REMAIN INVIOLATE. To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void."

[Carson]

What were the charges the man was afraid to face.

[Matt Collins]

Who has "authority" in this country?

Hint. "We the People"
The way it is, or the way it should be?

[ClydeCoulter]

No, one is the legitimate government, the other is just a group of random people with zero power.

Just because a government is not illegitimate doesn't mean it can't abuse its power, such as it did in this instance.

Define "legitimate", in the sense of government.

[Matt Collins]

Says who? You?It is obvious and thus de facto.

[Anti Federalist]

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.

Thus endeth this thread.

[donnay]

No, one is the legitimate government, the other is just a group of random people with zero power.

Just because a government is not illegitimate doesn't mean it can't abuse its power, such as it did in this instance.

I think you got that ass-backwards there. The US government is the one that is illegitimate. It was hijacked by the Fed in 1913.

[CPUd]

That is a Fishing expedition.

This entire exercise will be thrown out of court. It's only purpose was intimidation.

And if these people are serious about secession,, they need to be ready to fight.
Because this corrupt government is quite willing to kill to keep their power.

TX takes threats from sovcit groups seriously, almost as seriously as FL. Especially when a previous group of the same name was violent:

(from 1997):


...
Of the two, only Keyes had charges pending against him. He was wanted on state charges of organized criminal activity and kidnapping in connection with the April 27 kidnapping that sparked the standoff. Acting on apparent orders from McLaren, he and Gregg and Karen Paulson, a married couple who belonged to the group, shot their way into a neighborhood couple's home, holding them as "prisoners of war" for 12 hours. Joe and M.A. Rowe were freed after Texas Rangers arranged the release of another Republic of Texas member, Robert Scheidt, who had been picked up by local deputies that morning on misdemeanor weapons charges.
...

http://tech.mit.edu/V117/N24/atexas.24w.html

If they find the person who was producing the papers, they will put multiple charges on him, and he will take a plea agreement to stay out of prison. This is because the person will spend 6 months or so filing sovcit mumbo jumbo instead of getting a real lawyer or at least making a real argument about how the scope of the search warrant was too broad, and the evidence they got from the phones is inadmissible.

[JK/SEA]

It is obvious and thus de facto.

but you must agree, we have the right to abolish government correct?...silly point i know...

[Matt Collins]

but you must agree, we have the right to abolish government correct?...silly point i know...
Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"

[donnay]

Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"

"... and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

[devil21]

"... and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

Go ahead Collins, argue that TJ was wrong. I dare ya.

[Anti Federalist]

Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"

Not "light and transient".

<Waco fire pic>
<Baby Bou pic>
<Nick Christie pic>
<Chicago "gitmo" building pic>
<Kelly Thomas pic>
<Prison stats pic>
<taxation level pic>
<dead from drones pic>
<Aiyana Jones pic>
<Giant NSA snooping center in Utah pic>
<Ten thousand dead dogs shot by cops pic>

I could go on and on and on

[Danke]

Not "light and transient".

<Waco fire pic>
<Baby Bou pic>
<Nick Christie pic>
<Chicago "gitmo" building pic>
<Kelly Thomas pic>
<Prison stats pic>
<taxation level pic>
<dead from drones pic>
<Aiyana Jones pic>
<Giant NSA snooping center in Utah pic>
<Ten thousand dead dogs shot by cops pic>

I could go on and on and on

-rep for even responding to shallow Collins on this misunderstood subject.

What's next, giving Sonny or CPU the time of day? Oh look at me, I'm on a non-MSM website spewing (or maybe in their case: spooing (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spooing)) the same old tired shit 'cause, don't ya know, our system is ultimately correct and you will get in trouble if you don't do and behave as the authorities say.

Oh wait ...wait for it, more dancing poodles from CPU. At least Sonny just disappears for a while.

[Anti Federalist]

-rep for even responding to shallow Collins on this misunderstood subject.

Well deserved I'm afraid.

All I can hope is that the lurkers see it and understand, since my most effective tool was taken and thrown in the no-see-um dungeon.

[TheTexan]

Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"

Fixed that for you

[Danke]

Fixed that for you

You quoted The Collinz. -rep for you.

[JK/SEA]

Absolutely. And we have the right to secede. But only under extreme circumstances, not for "light and transient reasons"

your statement falls under the 'subjective' nomenclature.

time for my zen moment....standby.... I'll be with you shortly.

[JK/SEA]

As I wrote... I am not sure who was being more asinine in this situation...

nah...won't do it. TOS prevents me.

[Matt Collins]

Not "light and transient".

<Waco fire pic>
<Baby Bou pic>
<Nick Christie pic>
<Chicago "gitmo" building pic>
<Kelly Thomas pic>
<Prison stats pic>
<taxation level pic>
<dead from drones pic>
<Aiyana Jones pic>
<Giant NSA snooping center in Utah pic>
<Ten thousand dead dogs shot by cops pic>

I could go on and on and on
Oh I agree.... the founding generation would be shooting by now, no doubt. In fact they separated from Britain over far less.

The federal government is out of control and the only thing that can reign it in is the state governments.

[JK/SEA]

Oh I agree.... the founding generation would be shooting by now, no doubt. In fact they separated from Britain over far less.

The federal government is out of control and the only thing that can reign it in is the state governments.

yeah, the 2nd Amendment is just a fantasy.

[pcosmar]

The federal government is out of control and the only thing that can reign it in is the state governments.

Only government can stop government?

https://terri0729.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/coocoo-in-the-head-709416.jpg

You can just stop posting now.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150112180852/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/b/bf/Ancient-aliens-invisible-something-meme-generator-im-not-saying-you-re-an-idiot-but-you-re-a-fucking-idiot-9c05ac.jpg

[NoOneButPaul]

Only government can stop government?

https://terri0729.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/coocoo-in-the-head-709416.jpg

You can just stop posting now.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150112180852/epicrapbattlesofhistory/images/b/bf/Ancient-aliens-invisible-something-meme-generator-im-not-saying-you-re-an-idiot-but-you-re-a-fucking-idiot-9c05ac.jpg

He's echoing the 10th amendment. States ignoring the Fed is the most likely solution out of this mess and even Ron Paul has said that and your flaming here makes you look like the real dumbass.

[pcosmar]

He's echoing the 10th amendment.

Read the whole 10th amendment.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The states are who gave power to the Fed.. and who reap benefits from the Fed.

States ain't gonna do shit.. Until the people rise up and put an end to it..(not likely)

But that IS the reason for the Second Amendment. (and gun control was never a power that State or Fed ever had)

Try to open a Gun Shop in any State without a FFL.

I rest my case.

[Matt Collins]

The states are who gave power to the Fed.. and who reap benefits from the Fed.Except that that power was taken over the decades, both gradually and quickly (1860's illegal war, 18th Amendment, Marbury v Madison etc)





States ain't gonna do shit.. Until the people rise up and put an end to it..(not likely)

But that IS the reason for the Second Amendment. (and gun control was never a power that State or Fed ever had)

Try to open a Gun Shop in any State without a FFL.

I rest my case.This is changing... more and more states have passed nullification laws. The feds can't enforce drug laws without the help of the state / local governments. If the state and local governments refuse to help the feds, then those laws are pretty much null.

There have been several firearms laws passed to null the feds although none of them have had teeth... yet. But don't worry, I give it 10 years before that will change and you'll see a conflict arise between state governments and the federal government. Think, MT, ID, ND, SD, WY....

[DamianTV]

You use the word "fake". But there are real consequences involved in the raid. If it's fake then they should have ignored it. Instead the govt officials chose to point real guns at people.

The Authority is Fake, but their Guns are very Real.

This is what happens when the Monopoly on Belief falters, the Monopoly on Violence is implemented, in full force.

[devil21]

The Authority is Fake, but their Guns are very Real.

This is what happens when the Monopoly on Belief falters, the Monopoly on Violence is implemented, in full force.

Monopoly on State Sanctioned Violence. They do not have a monopoly on violence and they sure don't have a monopoly on manpower and weaponry. Whether that will ever be tested is up for speculation but never forget the TinyDot video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs

[Pericles]

You quoted The Collinz. -rep for you. And you mentioned he who should not be mentioned.