Do you know if Obama is a Christian and loves America?

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Do you know if Obama is a Christian?
Do you know if Obama loves America?

Vote in attached poll.

Context:

Gov. Scott Walker: ‘I don’t know’ whether Obama is a Christian or loves America (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469399-Gov-Scott-Walker-%E2%80%98I-don%E2%80%99t-know%E2%80%99-whether-Obama-is-a-Christian-or-loves-America&)
By Dan Balz and Robert Costa February 21





Related

Poll: 46% of GOP thinks Obama's Muslim (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0810/Poll_46_of_GOP_thinks_Obamas_Muslim.html#)

Most Americans see Obama as Dishonest, Untrustworthy (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy)

[Zippyjuan]

Context to the context:


Walker again declined Saturday to weigh in on Giuliani’s characterization of the president’s patriotism and background.
“I don’t know, I honestly don’t know, one way or the other,” Walker said. “I’ve said that 100 times, too.”

Poll was from 2010 and said 46% of REPUBLICANS thought he might be Muslim. In a 2012 poll, 17% of all voters thought he might be Muslim. 34% of Republicans did. 49% of all voters said Christian. http://www.pewforum.org/2012/07/26/2012-romney-mormonism-obamas-religion/ (Christian is the correct answer).

Should a President wear his religion on his sleeve and promote it to the country or should it be a private matter? Do Ron Paul or Rand Paul preach Christianity? If they become president should they? Is the problem that he does not talk about it enough? Maybe a "Sunday Sermon" by the president each week- like FDR's Fireside Chats but on religion? Should we have a national religion or respect a separation between Church and state?

Personally, I choose candidates based on policy- not what religion they might be.

People should be free to choose and practice whatever religion they want including presidents. I also believe it is wrong to hate anybody because of their religion. Too many wars have been fought and too many have died for that reason. Tolerance and acceptance.

[CPUd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llef8ZRTWQo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf4fdD5M-uE

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Oops, this was intended to be a multiple choice poll and now does not seem to be editable.




Context to the context:

Poll was from 2010 and said 46% of REPUBLICANS thought he might be Muslim.

Should a President wear his religion on his sleeve and promote it to the country or should it be a private matter?



Not sure if should on his sleeve, but he certainly would not wear on his head.

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns

By Brett Michael Dykes October 20, 2010 3:27 PM

President Barack Obama recently called off plans to stop at the Sikh Golden Temple at Amritsar when he visits India early next month. And the reason reportedly has nothing to do with substantive matters such as the nature of the faith enshrined in the facility, or the state of India's multi-religious mass democracy.
No, the determining factor, apparently, is the dread of White House advisers that photos would spread virally of Obama in an eastern land wearing the head covering required of all visitors to the Golden Temple.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/white-house-cancels-obama-trip-sikh-temple-over.html


When useful politically to win primaries in some Christian minded states, he can wear it on his sleeve too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=867mR2ZusBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=867mR2ZusBw



Faith is important to Americans it appears.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/07/in-god-we-trust_large1.jpg




That said, Giuliani was pretty reckless when he opened the pandora box by suggesting that swc was a communist.

[Sola_Fide]

Context to the context:



Poll was from 2010 and said 46% of REPUBLICANS thought he might be Muslim. In a 2012 poll, 17% of all voters thought he might be Muslim. 34% of Republicans did. 49% of all voters said Christian. http://www.pewforum.org/2012/07/26/2012-romney-mormonism-obamas-religion/ (Christian is the correct answer).

Should a President wear his religion on his sleeve and promote it to the country or should it be a private matter? Do Ron Paul or Rand Paul preach Christianity? If they become president should they? Is the problem that he does not talk about it enough? Maybe a "Sunday Sermon" by the president each week- like FDR's Fireside Chats but on religion? Should we have a national religion or respect a separation between Church and state?

Personally, I choose candidates based on policy- not what religion they might be.

People should be free to choose and practice whatever religion they want including presidents. I also believe it is wrong to hate anybody because of their religion. Too many wars have been fought and too many have died for that reason. Tolerance and acceptance.


It's not about tolerance or acceptance. I believe in total freedom AND I advocate intolerance. Christians should be intolerant of sin and sinful lifestyles.

[Sola_Fide]

Tolerance and acceptance is just another buzzword for statists. I believe in freedom AND intolerance, which is libertarianism.

[Zippyjuan]

"Hate the sin. Love the sinner." http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/who-said-love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin

Libertarianism is about freedoms. If you are intolerant, you would deny freedoms for others you want for yourself.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

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"Hate the sin. Love the sinner." http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/who-said-love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin

Libertarianism is about freedoms. If you are intolerant, you would deny freedoms for others you want for yourself.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Scope of the above question was intended to be America, American attitudes, Christian Faith & American Politics and not "libertarians views on religion".

[Zippyjuan]

Given that the question is posited on a Libertarian forum, the responces will likely be from Libertarians. But should Faith be a part of American Politics or should it be left to the individuals? If so- which Faith? Who decides that?

Faith is important but it should not be imposed on others who may not share the same one.

[Lucille]

Obama doesn't love anyone or anything. He is a textbook malignant Narcissist and that's not how their sick brains roll. And much like the hypocritical and projecting neo-Trots accusing him of not loving America, this country is merely a means to an end for him.

I've always assumed he was your typical prog atheist. The state is his god.

As you may or may not be aware, Zippy, libertarians do not share a hive mind.


Should a President wear his religion on his sleeve and promote it to the country or should it be a private matter? Do Ron Paul or Rand Paul preach Christianity? If they become president should they? Is the problem that he does not talk about it enough? Maybe a "Sunday Sermon" by the president each week- like FDR's Fireside Chats but on religion? Should we have a national religion or respect a separation between Church and state?

Ron has no problem invoking the Golden Rule when discussing war, and at one point both he and Jesus were booed by South Carolina's teaocon warmongers for it. Neither does he believe prayer in school should be prohibited. He also believes marriage is a sacrament and that the govt has no business being involved in it. I can go on, but most of his supporters know these things about him since, you know, many of us have read his books and actually listen to and absorb the things he says.

(Also, most Ron Paul supporters don't only invoke him to throw him in members' faces, and then follow it up with OTT BS "questions," but then you're not supporter, or a libertarian, or even a conservative or Republican, contrary to some fools' fantasies about you.)

[AuH20]

What does any of that have to do with the oath that he took? He should be jailed as far as I'm concerned.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/65/63/9e65630fbc381f60e37da70962582739.jpg


I could care less what religion he follows or whether "he loves America."

[Theocrat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av3H0_7HgSg

[TaftFan]

Obama believes there are multiple paths to heaven...nuff said.

[Christian Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av3H0_7HgSg

Yep... unfortunately too many Christians today would agree with him... They have no clue what the Bible really teaches...

Obama believes there are multiple paths to heaven...nuff said.

Yep, and so did George W. Bush.

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Given that the question is posited on a Libertarian forum, the responces will likely be from Libertarians. But should Faith be a part of American Politics or should it be left to the individuals? If so- which Faith? Who decides that?

Faith is important but it should not be imposed on others who may not share the same one.

Voters decide that and good argument.

If Faith is important then logically a question about Faith of a President would also be important then.

[Tywysog Cymru]

I don't know what religion Obama is or if he loves America. Same with other politicians.

[Rudeman]

I don't know and I don't really care. I judge him on his actions not on what what he says he believes in (and whether or not I believe him).

[paleocon1]

Based on his actions barry Loathes both Christianity and America.

[otherone]

What does any of that have to do with the oath that he took? He should be jailed as far as I'm concerned.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/65/63/9e65630fbc381f60e37da70962582739.jpg


I could care less what religion he follows or whether "he loves America."

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I wonder what his favorite color is?
http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article55519.ece/alternates/s615/F7465884-939A-9B5D-2B6CA3075F656D5A.jpg

[jbauer]

Dang straight!!! I could care less if he's a Muslim. He probably should "love" America though.


What does any of that have to do with the oath that he took? He should be jailed as far as I'm concerned.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/65/63/9e65630fbc381f60e37da70962582739.jpg


I could care less what religion he follows or whether "he loves America."

[Todd]

How about this. I do not "Know" if he is a Christian or loves America.

But. Actions speak louder than words.

Christian's don't start 4 wars and kill thousands of people if they really believe the teachings of Christ.

Therefore, the probability of Obama representing either is slim.

[cajuncocoa]

I don't know whether any of the presidents or candidates are/were Christians, nor does that matter to me (does the Constitution say Christianity is a requirement to hold the office?) << rhetorical question. I already know it does not.

I also do not know if any modern day presidents really love America as much as they love the power the office of POTUS gives them.

The only one who can speak for what is in a man's heart is that man himself. The trust factor on these people is close to zero for me on issues that matter.

[The Gold Standard]

I don't know or care if he is a Christian. I do know he loves 'Murica. I would too if I could get cut in on trillions of dollars of ill gotten money passing through my hands.

[69360]

I don't know and and have not seen anything to convince me one way or the other.

He says he is and does, but has not exactly been truthful.

[fr33]

I don't care.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I don't give a shit about his religion, I also think the idea of a "true Christian/Jew/Muslim/whatever" is an absurd notion.

It's quite clear he doesn't love America, but not for the reasons someone like me doesn't love this country. As Hoppe so thoroughly illustrated, people who succeed through democratic processes tend to be looters who use patriotism for a cover. He's also very obviously one of those proglodytes who opines on how much better America would be if it became like Western Europe.

[Christian Liberty]

I don't know whether any of the presidents or candidates are/were Christians, nor does that matter to me (does the Constitution say Christianity is a requirement to hold the office?) << rhetorical question. I already know it does not.

I also do not know if any modern day presidents really love America as much as they love the power the office of POTUS gives them.

The only one who can speak for what is in a man's heart is that man himself. The trust factor on these people is close to zero for me on issues that matter.

You know what? I think a year ago I would have agreed with you that it didn't matter. But the more I study and the more I think about it, the more I think it does matter. American law is arbitrary precisely because it has no objective standard on which to be based. Allowing only Biblical arguments (which doesn't necessarily mean exclusively OT law) to be used to determine public policy and limiting politicians to those who believe in that standard would lead to a far less arbitrary and more moral government, because there would be an objective standard by which to appeal to. As it is we have no objective standard for anything. Mind, I don't want to impose that (or anything else) on an entire country. Radical localism would fix a lot of problems, so people who want to live under arbitrary rule, or other internally objective systems of rule, or even no rule at all (anarchism of whatever sort) could do that in their own communities.

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By definition, an habitual liar and ddgbag cannot be a christian.

[Cabal]

Where's the "I don't really care" option?

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Where's the "I don't really care" option?

An option like "I'm a Republican but don't care if Obama is a Moslem, Jew, Communist Athiest or whatever" would have brought more insight to this predominantly conservative dynamic in US politics.

But vast majority of Republicans and even Americans seem to have passionate interest in belief system of the President. Even SWC himself seems to care much about it going by past news and does not want to be seen as "serect moslem".

White House cancels Obama trip to Sikh temple over Muslim rumor concerns
October 20, 2010 3:27 PM
No, the determining factor, apparently, is the dread of White House advisers that photos would spread virally of Obama in an eastern land wearing the head covering required of all visitors to the Golden Temple.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/w...mple-over.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/white-house-cancels-obama-trip-sikh-temple-over.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=867mR2ZusBw

Poll: 46% of GOP thinks Obama's Muslim (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0810/Poll_46_of_GOP_thinks_Obamas_Muslim.html#)


GOP Gov Candidate Fretted About Anti-Semitic Attacks Shortly Before Committing Suicide
by Tina Nguyen | 8:59 am, February 27th, 2015

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/schweich.jpg (http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/schweich.jpg)

A leading GOP candidate in the upcoming Missouri governor’s election was found dead in his home Thursday morning from an apparent suicide, and according to a regional paper, he claimed he’d been dogged by anti-Semitic remarks shortly before his death.
Tom Schweich, Missouri’s Republican state auditor, allegedly shot himself in the head less than a month after the election cycle began. Minutes before his death, however, he’d requested an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and according to the paper’s editorial page director Tony Messenger (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-auditor-and-governor-candidate-tom-schweich-has-died/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html), he’d wanted to talk about rumors — started, he believed, by Missouri GOP chairman John Hancock — claiming he was secretly Jewish:


In several conversations via text and phone in the days leading up to Thursday morning, Schweich told Messenger that Hancock mentioned to people in passing that Schweich was Jewish. Schweich wasn’t Jewish. He was a member of the Church of St. Michael & St. George, an Episcopal congregation in Clayton.

Schweich told Messenger he believed the mentions of his faith heritage were intended to harm him politically in a gubernatorial primary in which many Republican voters are evangelical Christians. He said his grandfather was Jewish, and that he was “very proud of his connection to the Jewish faith.”
“He said his grandfather taught him to never allow any anti-Semitism go unpunished, no matter how slight,” Messenger said in a written statement.
Schweich told Messenger that he attempted to ask Sen. Roy Blunt to intervene but was unable to speak with him. Schweich said he had lunch with Blunt’s son, lobbyist Andy Blunt, according to Messenger’s account.


Hancock told reporters that while he may have mistakenly thought Schweich was Jewish at one point, he “certainly would not have said it in a derogatory manner.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-g...tting-suicide/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-gov-candidate-fretted-about-anti-semitic-attacks-shortly-before-committing-suicide/)




Jew vs. Hidden Jew: Macaca-man George Allen Eyes Va. Run


“I was raised as a Christian, and my mother was raised as a Christian,” said Allen, who is locked in an unexpectedly close race with Democrat James Webb. “And I embrace and take great pride in every aspect of my diverse heritage, including my Lumbroso family line’s Jewish heritage, which I learned about from a recent magazine article and my mother confirmed.” Later in the day, Allen’s campaign manager, Dick Wadhams, identified the article as a story by E.J. Kessler that appeared in the Forward last month. According to Wadhams, after reading the article the senator decided to ask his mother about her Jewish roots.
He didn’t explain why calling someone Jewish might be considered casting an aspersion.

Allen started the 2006 race in the spring as a hugely popular incumbent, a shoo-in for reelection and in fact a leading contender for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination until this happened. Now Wikipedia includes him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians) on its list of Jewish former senators.



http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/131994/jew-vs-hidden-jew-macaca-man-george-allen-eyes-va/ (http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/131994/jew-vs-hidden-jew-macaca-man-george-allen-eyes-va/#ixzz3Sylk4fV3)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Obama makes everybody prove their love for him. By bending them over every day.

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Gov. Scott Walker: ‘I don’t know’ whether Obama is a Christian or loves America (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469399-Gov-Scott-Walker-%E2%80%98I-don%E2%80%99t-know%E2%80%99-whether-Obama-is-a-Christian-or-loves-America&)
By Dan Balz and Robert Costa February 21


H/t to MrGoose (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?469870-Rand-Paul-wins-CPAC-2015!&p=5797495&viewfull=1#post5797495), SW finished 2nd in CPAC straw poll today.

Full results;


Percent Candidate

25.7 Sen. Rand Paul
21.4 Gov. Scott Walker
11.5 Sen. Ted Cruz
11.4 Dr. Ben Carson
8.3 Former Gov. Jeb Bush
4.3 Former Sen. Rick Santorum
3.7 Sen. Marco Rubio
3.5 Donald Trump
3.0 Carly Fiorina
2.8 Gov. Chris Christie
1.1 Former Gov. Rick Perry
0.9 Gov. Bobby Jindal
0.8 Former Gov. Sarah Palin
0.3 Former Gov. Mike Huckabee
0.3 Former Ambassador John Bolton
0.1 Sen. Lindsey Graham
0.1 Former Gov. George Pataki

1.0 Undecided
0.7 Other

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Poll: 60 percent of Trump supporters believe Obama is MuslimLA Daily News-Dec 22, 2015
Sixty percent of Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s supporters believe President Barack Obama is Muslim and only 6 percent believe he is Christian, according to a new poll (http://www.aaiusa.org/american_attitudes_toward_arabs_and_muslims_2015).
It’s not surprising that a majority of Trump supporters polled in the survey believe he is Muslim, said Tom Hogen-Esch, a political science professor at Cal State Northridge.


“It was Donald Trump that a few years ago was keeping the notion that Obama was Muslim alive,” Hogen-Esch said. “He was part of the birther movement suggesting Obama was not born in the U.S. This is his constituency. These are his people that are most afraid of Muslims and most susceptible to this kind of misleading political rhetoric.”

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20151222/poll-60-percent-of-trump-supporters-believe-obama-is-muslim

[Christian Liberty]

Probably loves "america", not a Christian.

[Zippyjuan]

Poll: 60 percent of Trump supporters believe Obama is MuslimLA Daily News-Dec 22, 2015
Sixty percent of Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s supporters believe President Barack Obama is Muslim and only 6 percent believe he is Christian, according to a new poll (http://www.aaiusa.org/american_attitudes_toward_arabs_and_muslims_2015).
It’s not surprising that a majority of Trump supporters polled in the survey believe he is Muslim, said Tom Hogen-Esch, a political science professor at Cal State Northridge.


“It was Donald Trump that a few years ago was keeping the notion that Obama was Muslim alive,” Hogen-Esch said. “He was part of the birther movement suggesting Obama was not born in the U.S. This is his constituency. These are his people that are most afraid of Muslims and most susceptible to this kind of misleading political rhetoric.”

http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20151222/poll-60-percent-of-trump-supporters-believe-obama-is-muslim

Be nice. Most of his supporters never went to school beyond high school.