Walter Jones to face tough RINO challenge in 2016

[jurgs01]

He's going to need our help. This is a seat worth fighting for.

http://atr.rollcall.com/walter-jones-taylor-griffin-primary-2016/

[Mr.NoSmile]

It was a seat worth fighting for last time that he barely managed to squeeze out a victory for. Here it is again.

In addition, being a firebrand may win you internet kudos, but not when it comes to raking in money:


What’s more, Jones was one of 25 Republicans to vote against John A. Boehner for speaker in January — a choice that will not help his fundraising among his congressional colleagues.

[Working Poor]

Mr Jones is from North Carolina not South Carolina. This is in the SC forum just saying...

[jct74]

Mr Jones is from North Carolina not South Carolina. This is in the SC forum just saying...

I moved it to North Carolina, then left a redirect there and put it in Liberty Candidates. This is something that should have everyone's attention as far as Liberty Candidates for 2016.

[Cleaner44]

Can we finally give Walter Jones his own sub forum?

Jones belongs in the Defenders of Liberty.

Jones stood with Massie and Amash and only 10 others in Congress in voting against John Boehner. Jones voted against John Boehner in 2013 as well.

Walter Jones is a solid ally to the liberty movement and belongs in the Defenders of Liberty forum.

[William Tell]

Can we finally give Walter Jones his own sub forum?

Jones belongs in the Defenders of Liberty.

Jones stood with Massie and Amash and only 10 others in Congress in voting against John Boehner. Jones voted against John Boehner in 2013 as well.

Walter Jones is a solid ally to the liberty movement and belongs in the Defenders of Liberty forum.

+ Rep. He really belongs there.

[Dianne]

Can we finally give Walter Jones his own sub forum?

Jones belongs in the Defenders of Liberty.

Jones stood with Massie and Amash and only 10 others in Congress in voting against John Boehner. Jones voted against John Boehner in 2013 as well.

Walter Jones is a solid ally to the liberty movement and belongs in the Defenders of Liberty forum.

Yes, please !!

[Cleaner44]

How do we make this happen? Do we need a poll?

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[anaconda]

Hey I thought Walter Jones IS A "RINO" according to the centrist bureaucrats? I mean he votes with Democrats just like those other tin foil hat, blame America, leftist radicals Amash and Massie. These obstructionists must be removed so that the legislation that The People demand can be passed once and for all. And the World Order that we all want to see can be realized.

[anaconda]

Paul/Jones 2016.

Then we have John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qoWcIl53ac


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-pDYq2VpOQ

[anaconda]

Out of curiosity, what portion of GOP office holders would be considered to be RINOs?
Similarly, what portion of self-identified GOP voters would be considered to be RINOs?

Depends on who's doing the considering. The centrist corporatist socialists that we on the forums easily identify are called "proud conservatives" by the lame stream media. The voters follow a similar narrative. This is clear since 120 million voters felt that their only choices were Mr. Obama or Mr. Romney. My hat's off to the Council On Foreign Relations. Mission accomplished!

[jct74]

How do we make this happen? Do we need a poll?


Make your case in the Site Feedback forum. You could start a thread with a poll and include this latest information about a tough RINO challenger in 2016. Or you could post it in an existing thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458801-Is-it-time-we-add-a-Walter-Jones-Forum
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?457231-Walter-Jones-Subforum


If that doesn't work keep posting more threads about him and good stuff that he is up to, that will work in favor of him getting a forum. Do some google searches, check his facebook page, etc.



I personally support the idea of giving him a forum. Especially now that the Liberty Defender forums have been compacted on the index page, adding another one is not going to take up any more space and be as big of a deal. This latest news of a tough Bush crony challenger in 2016 is all the more reason to support him as much as possible. There is plenty of existing threads to fill up a Walter Jones forum too.

[Brett85]

I don't personally think that Jones is conservative enough on economic issues to really be considered a "liberty candidate." He's really had a lot of "populist" views on economic issues over the years. Don't get me wrong, I hope that Jones wins his primary, and I may even donate money to his campaign. I don't want the neocons to capture that seat. But I just don't personally consider him to be a "liberty candidate." He's sort of a populist leaning paleoconservative.

[William Tell]

I don't personally think that Jones is conservative enough on economic issues to really be considered a "liberty candidate." He's really had a lot of "populist" views on economic issues over the years. Don't get me wrong, I hope that Jones wins his primary, and I may even donate money to his campaign. I don't want the neocons to capture that seat. But I just don't personally consider him to be a "liberty candidate." He's sort of a populist leaning paleoconservative.

You are welcome to your opinion.

He's had a 97% score on the Freedom Index for the last 2 sessions. He has a 100% rating from FreedomWorks for both 2014 and 2015, and a 95% for 2013. Name any current member of the U.S House besides Massie and Amash who you think has a better overall record. The sub forum says "Defenders of Liberty" Walter is definitely one.

[donnay]

Walter Jones thinks a lot like Ron Paul. They are trying to boot him because of H.Res. 428.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT_DC3SmdAI&feature=youtu.be&t=2m48s

[Brett85]

You are welcome to your opinion.

He's had a 97% score on the Freedom Index for the last 2 sessions. He has a 100% rating from FreedomWorks for both 2014 and 2015, and a 95% for 2013. Name any current member of the U.S House besides Massie and Amash who you think has a better overall record. The sub forum says "Defenders of Liberty" Walter is definitely one.

Well, perhaps he's getting better. But in the past he's voted for bills as bad as the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill and increases in the minimum wage.

[Cleaner44]

Well, perhaps he's getting better. But in the past he's voted for bills as bad as the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill and increases in the minimum wage.

Walter has improved very much in the last 8 years. Not everyone starts off like Ron Paul. Some people start as regular Democrats or Republicans. Ron Paul opened many eyes and minds. We should give credit when people see the error of their past ways and evolve. I myself felt good about voting for Bill Clinton in 1992, which now seems so stupid. I just knew that Bush sucked balls.

Walter is not the same candidate that he was 10 years ago. He is a solid ally and one of the few people that we can count on to support Amash and Massie.

[Brett85]

Walter has improved very much in the last 8 years.

I would say the past two years. Three or four years ago he was still getting bad scores in the New American's Freedom Index.

[William Tell]

Well, perhaps he's getting better. But in the past he's voted for bills as bad as the Dodd-Frank financial regulation bill and increases in the minimum wage.

Yeah? He supported the Iraq war too, but he never would again. There is no doubt he is way better. If Amash spent 2 years voting how Jones did during the early Bush administration. We would all denounce him and call him establishment, and rightly so.

Now Jones has been voting almost exactly like Amash and Ron Paul for the past couple years, and you won't call him a liberty candidate?

I am normally not one to give politicians second chances, but Walter is a rare case in that he has totally turned around, redemed himself, and risked his career for the cause of liberty. His record shows it, and so does his interviews. He's going around saying things like Rand is Americas only hope.

Again, I would put Walter up against the entire House except for maybe Massie and Amash. Rod Blum is supposed to be as good as them too, but obviously doesn't have much of a record yet besides his Speaker vote.

[Brett85]

Yeah? He supported the Iraq war too, but he never would again. There is no doubt he is way better. If Amash spent 2 years voting how Jones did during the early Bush administration. We would all denounce him and call him establishment, and rightly so.

Now Jones has been voting almost exactly like Amash and Ron Paul for the past couple years, and you won't call him a liberty candidate?

I am normally not one to give politicians second chances, but Walter is a rare case in that he has totally turned around, redemed himself, and risked his career for the cause of liberty. His record shows it, and so does his interviews. He's going around saying things like Rand is Americas only hope.

Again, I would put Walter up against the entire House except for maybe Massie and Amash. Rod Blum is supposed to be as good as them too, but obviously doesn't have much of a record yet besides his Speaker vote.

He's solid on foreign policy and opposing police state laws like the Patriot Act and NDAA. I haven't really seen evidence that he's repudiated all of the big government views he's held on economic issues in the past. But like I said, I would support him if he was primaried by a neocon. I don't really care all that much about whether he gets his own sub forum or not, but if he gets one than we have to run the risk of rank and file conservative Republicans claiming that we care more about foreign policy than about promoting free market economic principles.

[TaftFan]

Jones needs a subforum! He is not perfect, but he is very important.

[jurgs01]

Out of curiosity, what portion of GOP office holders would be considered to be RINOs?
Similarly, what portion of self-identified GOP voters would be considered to be RINOs?

About 80% for the former and 50% for the latter.

A Neoconservative is a RINO, and someone who doesn't vote for fiscal conservative principles (i.e. a lot of the Pennsylvania or New York congressional Republicans) is a RINO. The non-RINOs range from the traditional conservatives to the liberty conservatives. Really, a RINO is someone who ignores the published Republican platform.

[jurgs01]

I would say the past two years. Three or four years ago he was still getting bad scores in the New American's Freedom Index.

Now he is getting awards from them. If there is a born-again legislator, it is Walter. If you hear him speak, the guy truly means it.

[Cleaner44]

He's solid on foreign policy and opposing police state laws like the Patriot Act and NDAA. I haven't really seen evidence that he's repudiated all of the big government views he's held on economic issues in the past. But like I said, I would support him if he was primaried by a neocon. I don't really care all that much about whether he gets his own sub forum or not, but if he gets one than we have to run the risk of rank and file conservative Republicans claiming that we care more about foreign policy than about promoting free market economic principles.

There are two kinds of politicians, those that want to expand the government and those that want to limit governmentit. Walter Jones is a man that wants to limit government from what I have seen.

Let us consider the mission statement of this forum:

Inspired by US Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, this site is dedicated to facilitating grassroots initiatives that aim to restore a sovereign limited constitutional Republic based on the rule of law, states' rights and individual rights. We seek to enshrine the original intent of our Founders to foster respect for private property, seek justice, provide opportunity, and to secure individual liberty for ourselves and our posterity.


In my opinion Walter Jones is one of the few politicians that aims to restore a sovereign limited constitutional Republic. While 99% of the politicians in D.C. are working against Amash and Massie, jones instead works with them. The fact that he isn't a carbon copy of Amash, Massie or Ron Paul doesn't change this or diminish it.

It really doesn't matter if he saw the light 2 years ago or 8 years ago, the fact is that he changed for real. Walter is a living case of what we all work for, influencing and presuading people to leave behind their past mindset of expanding government.

[Hyperion]

Walter Jones is a great man. We need to do whatever it takes to keep him in Congress.

[Voluntarist]

xxxxx

[devil21]

I just got an email from one of Walter's 2016 competitors, a tiny fellow named Phil Law. Here's the content:



My name is Phil Law, and I’m running for Congress.

I wanted to write and tell you what this race is all about, and ask for your help.

This race is about the ineffective and entrenched representation this district has been forced to endure for years. A congressman who doesn’t lead for North Carolina, but follows to keep the status quo.



But I am running to change that! To bring back a trust between the 3rd District and its representative.

As a veteran of the Marine Corps, I have worked to lead by example my entire adult life. As your representative, I will continue to lead by fighting to support the Constitution in Congress. I welcome you to visit my website and take a look at where I stand on the issues that are so important to our community and our country.


But to get this job done, I need your help. I need to raise $50,000 in the next 60 days to solidify my staff and build a strong campaign that can bring real representation back to the 3rd District





If you can chip in $50, $25, or even $10 you can make the difference it takes to get our vigorous campaign up and running.

Your help means everything to me, my family, and the 3rd District that is so hungry for new Congressional leadership.

Sincerely,

Phil Law
Republican Candidate
NC-3 Congressional District


Quick review of his website is military heavy, multiple links to articles about Walter not attending Netanyahu's speech, etc. Looks like another AIPAC stooge.

[William Tell]

The target is on U.S. Rep. Walter B. Jones’ back again.


Phil Law, a site deployment supervisor for Hewlett-Packard in Jacksonville, announced last week his intention to challenge Jones for the Republican nomination for the 3rd Congressional District.


Law grew up in Forsyth County but made Onslow County his home after serving more than four years in the Marine Corps.
He said the singular issue with Jones’ performance in the House is the Farmville resident’s ineffectiveness.


“Right now, in my opinion, Jones talks a good talk but he doesn’t actually get anything done because he can’t garner enough support,” Law said. “Because, that’s what you have to do in Congress. It’s not one vote, it’s 435 people.”


Law said Jones’ contrarianism becomes a problem when it’s applied to national security issues like ISIS, Russia’s military efforts and North Korea’s missile tests, along with the United States’ relationship with Israel.


Jones and the House Republican leadership haven’t gotten along for years, even resulting in Jones losing key committee appointments. He’s openly come out against reelecting Speaker of the House John Boehner back to that position, and recently called him out for possibly seeking budget votes from Democrats.


“If the leadership continues to reach out to Democrats and forgets that the Republican Party has certain core principles as a party,” he said to The New York Times, “it will create more and more animosity.”


However, after surviving a hard charge from Taylor Griffin of Fairfield Harbour in the 2014 primary, Jones told CQ Roll Call in February he’s fundraising and ready for another challenge, adding, “I like to be a thorn in people’s ass.”


The same story quoted anonymous GOP consultants saying Griffin’s mounting another effort, but Law said what handicapped Griffin’s candidacy the first time was that he was more or less a hired gun.


“First of all, Taylor Griffin was the wrong candidate,” Law said. “He wasn’t from North Carolina — he lived in D.C., he was sent down, he was an operative, he was a registered lobbyist. And a lot of outside money, which Jones pointed out, backed him.”


http://www.newbernsj.com/news/local/challenger-announces-for-jones-house-seat-1.454879

[Vanguard101]

I don't personally think that Jones is conservative enough on economic issues to really be considered a "liberty candidate." He's really had a lot of "populist" views on economic issues over the years. Don't get me wrong, I hope that Jones wins his primary, and I may even donate money to his campaign. I don't want the neocons to capture that seat. But I just don't personally consider him to be a "liberty candidate." He's sort of a populist leaning paleoconservative.

Paleocons historically have been populist leaning. They often support minimal economic intervention or welfare. Regardless, Ron Paul has had some shitty ass votes and he's still considered our Thomas Jefferson.

[jeffro97]

Ah, so this is the plant coming after Walter. This should be fun.

[Brett85]

Paleocons historically have been populist leaning. They often support minimal economic intervention or welfare. Regardless, Ron Paul has had some shitty ass votes and he's still considered our Thomas Jefferson.

I certainly hope Jones wins this race, regardless of my reservations about his voting record in the past. Right now we really only have about five non interventionists in the house.

[Tywysog Cymru]

I certainly hope Jones wins this race, regardless of my reservations about his voting record in the past. Right now we really only have about five non interventionists in the house.

Are there any non-interventionist Democrats?

[devil21]

I certainly hope Jones wins this race, regardless of my reservations about his voting record in the past. Right now we really only have about five non interventionists in the house.

Hey Traditional Conservative, what are your reservations about Jones' voting record? What votes are you concerned about?

Why did you change your rpf id? You used to be known on RPF as Traditional Conservative, right?

[anaconda]

Ah, so this is the plant coming after Walter. This should be fun.

Let's beat back his opposition every election until they grow weary and give up forever.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Let's beat back his opposition every election until they grow weary and give up forever.

Or Jones can also lend a hand by having money from other sources brought to his defense since burning bridges will leave him with close to empty wallets. Not saying he should just fall in line, but even he had to know this would hurt his fundraising, especially given the close race in 2014.

[William Tell]

Or Jones can also lend a hand by having money from other sources brought to his defense since burning bridges will leave him with close to empty wallets. Not saying he should just fall in line, but even he had to know this would hurt his fundraising, especially given the close race in 2014.
We saw how that worked out for Bentivolio. People like Amash who fight with principle get enough support from conservative and liberty groups to keep them in Washington. If Amash had went the Bentivolio rout he probably would have lost as well. Instead, groups like Club for Growth helped him out.