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Marenco
02-18-2015, 04:19 AM
The Department of Homeland Security is a total disaster. It's time to abolish it.

by Dara Lind on February 17, 2015, 9:29 a.m. ET

If Congress doesn't act before February 27, the Department of Homeland Security is going to run out of money and go into a partial shutdown. (Eighty-five percent of employees would still be working, but they wouldn't be getting paid.) Congress doesn't appear to have a plan for action; as of last week, before it broke for recess, House and Senate lawmakers were each telling each other to do something. Meanwhile, politicians in both parties have already skipped to the step where they blame the other party for the possible shutdown — making them seem pretty resigned to it happening. House Speaker John Boehner said on Sunday he's "certainly" ready for a DHS shutdown.

It helps that both parties think they can win on the politics of a shutdown. Democrats see this as a replay of the government shutdown of 2013, when congressional Republicans tried to undo a major Obama administration policy (then Obamacare; now the president's executive actions on immigration) as a condition of keeping the government open. Republicans, for their part, appear to believe that because the Senate's Democratic minority is filibustering their funding bill, Democrats will take the blame — though there's little indication that they would become willing to roll back all of Obama's executive actions to end a shutdown. It's also not clear if Republicans could get a critical mass of support within their own party for anything less.

But the nonchalance with which both parties are treating the prospect of a Department of Homeland Security shutdown raises a big policy question: why does the department even exist?

The answer is that it shouldn't, and it never should have. DHS was a mistake to begin with. Instead of solving the coordination problems it was supposed to solve, it simply duplicated efforts already happening in other federal departments. And attempts to control and distinguish the department have politicized it to the point where it can't function smoothly — and might be threatening national security.

This isn't to say that DHS should be fully liquidated. The argument is there's no reason for it to exist as its own department when it can be reabsorbed into the various departments (from Justice to Treasury) from which it was assembled.

Since neither side is fighting to make the case for DHS, it's as good a time as any to look back over the agency's decade-plus-long history, and assess how the department's actually worked. The answer appears to be that the problems built deep in the department haven't aided national security — and might have damaged it.

For more: http://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/8047461/dhs-problems

Ronin Truth
02-18-2015, 07:34 AM
Along with several other total disaster departments.

oyarde
02-18-2015, 10:01 AM
I agree .Abolish .

DamianTV
02-18-2015, 10:29 AM
I'd say abolish every three letter agency.

fisharmor
02-18-2015, 10:45 AM
(Eighty-five percent of employees would still be working, but they wouldn't be getting paid.)

I still say this is the way out of this mess: do the logical reverse of this statement.
Pay them, but tell them not to show up for work.
It's not the money that goes toward their standard of living which is the main problem.
It's what they do while they're on the job.

ZENemy
02-18-2015, 10:45 AM
The TSA is 100% factually a waste of money, yet it remains.

Nothing will ever be cancelled from the inside. Nothing will be fixed from the inside, no agency will EVER be removed. If the people tire of the TSA, DHS, IRS ETC...they will be renamed, re-branded but will always remain.

Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

fisharmor
02-18-2015, 10:47 AM
Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

Rest assured that if it ever gets addressed, we'll be replacing the current system with another system with the exact same problems, because people can't envision anything else.

phill4paul
02-18-2015, 10:47 AM
The TSA is 100% factually a waste of money, yet it remains.

Nothing will ever be cancelled from the inside. Nothing will be fixed from the inside, no agency will EVER be removed. If the people tire of the TSA, DHS, IRS ETC...they will be renamed, re-branded but will always remain.

Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ZENemy again.

ZENemy
02-18-2015, 10:48 AM
Rest assured that if it ever gets addressed, we'll be replacing the current system with another system with the exact same problems, because people can't envision anything else.

Unfortunately, I agree! :(

Stratovarious
02-18-2015, 10:54 AM
Close it!

Sadly 1000's will still be on the payroll until it is really closed.

Dianne
02-18-2015, 11:22 AM
The republicrats will never do that. They know Obama will hit with a huge false flag to prove how much we need them.

acptulsa
02-18-2015, 11:31 AM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

If you have fourteen bureaucracies doing the same thing, and they're too busy having turf wars to get the job done, you don't create a fifteenth agency to force them to play nice together. You peel thirteen layers off of that onion and see how the remainder smells.

Ronin Truth
02-18-2015, 12:36 PM
But wait, they still have all of those 9mm hollow-point bullets to shoot.