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orenbus
02-14-2015, 09:00 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/rand-paul-draw-applause-in-florida-for-urging-chan/nkBmz/


Rand Paul draws applause in Florida for urging change in GOP
8:15 p.m. Saturday, Feb. 14, 2015

Of course Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul got big applause from GOP activists when he called for tax cuts and smaller government and accused Democrat Hillary Clinton of “dereliction of duty” before the 2012 Benghazi attacks.

But Paul, a likely presidential candidate who spent two days campaigning on the turf of potential Florida rivals Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, also drew sustained applause from an establishment Republican crowd Friday when he said tough drug sentencing laws favored by many in the GOP disproportionately hurt minorities “and we’re mistaken if we don’t understand it.”

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U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is consdiering a run for president in 2016. He traveled to Florida on Feb. 13-14, 2015, to speak to groups and meet with supporters.

On Saturday, a crowd of a few hundred at a rally in Sarasota cheered Paul’s call for Republicans to “boldly go where we have not gone before. Republicans have given up on so many people – young people, minorities, people who live in cities, poor people, working-class people. We need to go where we’re not going.”

Rubio and Bush have made similar exhortations for the GOP to broaden its base, but largely based on conservative economic themes.

Paul said Republicans can win over new voters by advocating conservative economic policies while also championing privacy rights and a foreign policy that is cautious about military intervention.

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U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., meets with supporters in Orlando during a visit to Florida on Feb. 13-14, 2015.

“There is absolutely no reason for the government to ever look at your phone records without a warrant,” Paul said in Sarasota. Later, he added, “There is no reason we have to give up our liberty to stop terrorism.”

Florida is home to four potential Republican presidential candidates — former Gov. Bush, Sen. Rubio, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson — but Paul said there’s room in the Sunshine State for his brand of libertarian Republicanism.

“We have a lot of friends in Florida,” Paul said in an interview Friday. “There’s a big liberty movement in Florida. These are people who believe in personal liberty, privacy, believe in a reasonable foreign policy, believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution. So there’s a lot of those people here that I think are looking for maybe a slightly different voice than some of the others.”

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U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., spoke to supporters in Sarasota on Feb. 14, 2015, during a trip to Florida. Paul is considering a run for president in 2016.

Paul said he expects to announce in March or April whether he’s running for president.

President Barack Obama’s request last week for Congress to authorize military force against the Islamic State highlighted a contrast between Paul and many Republicans, particularly Rubio, on foreign policy.

Obama’s request sets a three-year time limit, but doesn’t put geographic boundaries on where the U.S. can use force.

On the Senate floor Wednesday, Rubio called the time restriction “quite unprecedented” and said: “I would say there is a pretty simple authorization he could ask for, and it would read one sentence. And that is: We authorize the President to defeat and destroy ISIL, period.”

When asked on Friday about Rubio’s approach, Paul said: “That could be a million American GIs in the Middle East. It’s a mistake not to put some conditions. … Right now there are 60 different groups in 30 different countries that have pledged allegiance to ISIS. The current resolution, and for those who want no restrictions on the resolution, would allow us to put 100,000 troops in Libya. I would think we would want to vote if we’re going to send 100,000 troops to Libya.”

Since Bush has emerged as the early Republican front runner, Paul has been a leading critic and suggested there’s little difference between Bush and Clinton.

On social media last month, Paul’s PAC put out a recording of a mock phone call between Bush and Clinton, with an actress playing Clinton telling the Bush character that “We both agree on so many issues: bigger government, Common Core and amnesty for illegal immigrants.”

The faux Bush character then adds: “Well, we’ve both got problems. You’ve got problems with the grass roots, and I’ve got all those damn conservatives. What say we make a deal?”

Paul said Friday the recording “was meant to be a little humorous and a little bit of a tweak as well.”

Paul also accused Bush of hypocrisy after The Boston Globe reported on Bush’s marijuana use as a teenager at Philips Academy in Andover, Mass.

“This is a guy who now admits he smoked marijuana but he wants to put people in jail who do,” Paul said in an interview with The Hill, a Washington publication that covers Congress.

In his Friday speech at the Orange County GOP Lincoln Day dinner, Paul called for reforming drug sentencing laws and civil forfeiture programs that allow police to confiscate property from people accused of drug crimes before they are convicted.

“When we talk about how we’re going to expand the Republican Party, I tell people one of the things is we have to have compassion. We have to show it. We have to understand when things are not fair,” Paul said.

“I think there are problems in our criminal justice system. We have people sometimes being put in jail for 50 years for the sale of marijuana. I’m not up here to promote marijuana or say it’s good. But I am up here to say that predominantly, the people that are going to jail for these crimes are black, brown, poor white. … It’s not an overt racism. It’s an inadvertent outcome. But it is a racial outcome. And we’re mistaken if we don’t understand it.”

Paul added: “Many of us in here for religious reasons believe in redemption and second chances. I think we do need to be the party of second chances. … If we have some compassion and think about these issues, there are people on the evangelical right who are for sentencing reform. This isn’t a liberal idea.”

Bill Kealing of Sarasota came to Saturday’s rally and said he admires Paul and might vote for him or Bush. Asked if he thinks Paul can win a Republican nomination, Kealing said, “probably not. I think he’ll get his viewpoint across and influence things, but they’ll go for more of an establishment figure like Jeb Bush.”

Hanna Haney trekked roughly 80 miles from Lake Placid to hear Paul in Sarasota. Haney said she supported Paul’s father, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul, in his 2012 presidential bid. She said she’s prepared to switch her voter registration from no party to Republican so she can vote for Rand Paul in a GOP primary.

Haney said she was never convinced Ron Paul could win, but “in this instance I believe that Senator Paul has the ability to do it.”

philipped
02-14-2015, 09:36 PM
That Florida primary may go to Jeb but them delegates tho.......

eleganz
02-15-2015, 12:14 AM
Coming from a GOP in a heavily liberal city and state, Los Angeles, California, this is the type of message that Republicans love to hear because they are in a constant state of losing elections and always trying to find new ways to stay Republican but gain more support and voters. Rand's message does exceptionally well in liberal and swing states. His message would be so well received here at my county GOP, the most liberal along with NYC.

ChristianAnarchist
02-15-2015, 07:27 AM
#StandWithRand

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 07:42 AM
I like a lot of things Rand said in this speech.

orenbus
02-15-2015, 08:10 AM
Video of the Sarasota event.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP1iHy3LSEs

Edit: Btw at around 6 minutes Rand starts to talk about why we shouldn't be sending money to countries that persecute Christians or put to death those of other beliefs such as in Pakistan, the story he talks about is why i'm starting to have issues with Turkey based on recent news reports.

Edit 2: at 8:58 he talks about something I haven't hear anyone else mention lately but it's totally true about the Christians in Syria and how they most likely would have chose Assad over ISIS. It's an uncomfortable topic I'm sure for many who were pushing for us to send in fighters or have a no fly zone or whatever it was that Obama and the hawks such as McCain wanted to do a year ago after the whole chemical weapon fiasco and the monkey wrench that happened in England and what followed.

orenbus
02-15-2015, 08:43 AM
Sen. Rand Paul speaks at Orange County Lincoln Day Dinner 2/13/15


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojX7uRbb4sQ

nobody's_hero
02-15-2015, 10:10 AM
Haha, he got an award for being the Republican of the year. And yet in other parts of the country, they say he's 'too libertarian.' :confused:

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 11:12 AM
Video of the Sarasota event.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP1iHy3LSEs

Edit: Btw at around 6 minutes Rand starts to talk about why we shouldn't be sending money to countries that persecute Christians or put to death those of other beliefs such as in Pakistan, the story he talks about is why i'm starting to have issues with Turkey based on recent news reports.

Edit 2: at 8:58 he talks about something I haven't hear anyone else mention lately but it's totally true about the Christians in Syria and how they most likely would have chose Assad over ISIS. It's an uncomfortable topic I'm sure for many who were pushing for us to send in fighters or have a no fly zone or whatever it was that Obama and the hawks such as McCain wanted to do a year ago after the whole chemical weapon fiasco and the monkey wrench that happened in England and what followed.


I am uneasy about Rand framing the debate around who we send money to. Why make it a Muslim vs. Christian thing? Why not just say what Ron said?

Warlord
02-15-2015, 11:26 AM
I am uneasy about Rand framing the debate around who we send money to. Why make it a Muslim vs. Christian thing? Why not just say what Ron said?

Because Ron didn't win. Rand is framing it in a way that is more palatable

LatinsforPaul
02-15-2015, 12:00 PM
Miami Herald article...

Rand Paul gets receptive ear to his message in Sarasota (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article10304669.html)


SARASOTA
Conventional wisdom has it that Florida is Jeb Bush country in the 2016 Republican presidential primary, while Florida Sen. Marco Rubio enjoys lots of conservative Sunshine State love as well.

But that didn’t stop Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul from courting Republicans in Bush/Rubio home turf this weekend. At a Valentine’s evening airport rally Saturday night he found plenty of Republicans receptive to his message.

“I like Jeb Bush. I’ve voted for him,” said Republican business broker Dale Tindall. “But whether it’s the Bushes or the Kennedys, or the Clintons, enough is enough.”

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 12:14 PM
Because Ron didn't win. Rand is framing it in a way that is more palatable

It may be more palatable, but it doesn't promote liberty, it promotes the idea that Christians are at war with Muslims.

philipped
02-15-2015, 01:27 PM
I could've been out there, but I'm mid-last semester at my current education institution.

acptulsa
02-15-2015, 01:42 PM
It may be more palatable, but it doesn't promote liberty, it promotes the idea that Christians are at war with Muslims.

I've seen you lob more than a few shells at them in your time here.

But to any thinking observer, I don't believe that's what he's saying at all. He seems to be saying that we are at war with Middle Eastern Christians through the proxies we arm and support.

And what's more, it's true.

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 05:16 PM
I've seen you lob more than a few shells at them in your time here.

But to any thinking observer, I don't believe that's what he's saying at all. He seems to be saying that we are at war with Middle Eastern Christians through the proxies we arm and support.

And what's more, it's true.


That's a very good point. +rep

acptulsa
02-15-2015, 05:46 PM
That's a very good point. +rep

Promises, promises.

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 06:01 PM
I've seen you lob more than a few shells at them in your time here.

But to any thinking observer, I don't believe that's what he's saying at all. He seems to be saying that we are at war with Middle Eastern Christians through the proxies we arm and support.

And what's more, it's true.


By the way, please let me highlight the point that I am a pacifist and a non-interventionist. My engaging Muslims in the manner of debate is the one sure way that Christians ensure that they never go to war with Muslims. When the conversation shuts down, there is nothing left but war.

True Christians are at war with the world, including with Muslims, but their weapons are spiritual, not physical force. The Christian wars with ideas. Only evil people war with physical weapons in the advance of Christianity.

orenbus
02-15-2015, 07:50 PM
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orenbus
02-15-2015, 07:50 PM
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Southron
02-15-2015, 08:13 PM
Does anyone else think that attacking drug crime sentencing is not a recipe for success in the GOP primary?

Sola_Fide
02-15-2015, 08:28 PM
Does anyone else think that attacking drug crime sentencing is not a recipe for success in the GOP primary?

I'm crazy enough to think it is. I really do think that this will resonate with teocon voters.

nobody's_hero
02-16-2015, 05:53 AM
Does anyone else think that attacking drug crime sentencing is not a recipe for success in the GOP primary?

Hmm. It has to be framed in a way that more republicans will support.

Let's be frank. There just aren't many people who give a shit about other people's rights—at least, not enough to carry Rand Paul to victory within the GOP. But if Rand Paul starts throwing in a few factoids about how much our 'justice' system is costing $$$ for us to fight this war on drugs, it might boost his arguments. I'm not saying he has to change his arguments, but he needs to supplement them with talk about how much our taxes go towards fighting an unwinnable war. He'll have all his bases covered. He'll have the support of Republicans who actually care about liberty, and he'll gain some support from the penny-pinchers who typically just donate to whomever is going to best benefit their stock portfolios.

I'm hoping his strategy does manage to grow the party, because, like Ron, he's gonna need the support of a ton of people who would've historically rather flung their bodies into a wood-chipper than to vote GOP, if he wants to beat the neocons in the primary. —Unfortunately, if I recall correctly, the teleprompter changed the rules at the last convention to make it harder for newcomers to gain any traction as delegates.

r3volution 3.0
02-16-2015, 06:54 AM
Does anyone else think that attacking drug crime sentencing is not a recipe for success in the GOP primary?

According to the polling data, about two-thirds of Republicans favor reduced sentences for simple possession (and about half of those favor outright legalization). Is it a harder sell than in the Democratic Party? Sure, but it's entirely doable.

P.S. My own sense of this (read: hunch backed by anecdotal evidence only) is that Rand's biggest obstacle on this front is going to be indifference, rather than active opposition. The average libertarian cares a lot more about legalization than the average GOPer cares about maintaining prohibition. So, as far as electoral math is concerned, I don't think Rand's stance here is going to win or lose him many GOPer votes. The big win comes from crossover votes in states like NH.