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NACBA
02-11-2015, 08:08 AM
By Jane C. Timm

There was a moment at a Congressional committee hearing on Tuesday where the entire conversation about health risks and vaccines was laid bare. Sen. Elizabeth Warren asked a top Centers for Disease Control immunization expert whether vaccines are safe – eight different ways.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”

“No,” Dr. Anne Schuchat said.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause profound mental disorders?” Warren asks.

“No, but some of the disease we vaccinate against can,” Schuchat answers.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines have contributed to the rise of allergies or autoimmune disorders among kids?” Warren asks.

“No,” she said.

The exchange continues, with Warren asking an additional five times about the dangers of vaccines, hearing the same answers: no, no, no, no, and no again.

“Vaccines are safe,” Schuchat said.

“The increase in measles cases should be seen as a wake-up call,” Schuchat testified.

But the outbreak has become more than a public health crisis, it’s also become a political lightning rod as conservatives struggle to reconcile their personal views with an ongoing emergency. Last week, Gov. Chris Christie stumbled, saying while he’d vaccinated his own kids, he wanted parents to have a choice on the matter.

Sen. Rand Paul, who has a background as a physician, went farther and said he’d seen vaccines cause “profound mental problems.” The pair of potential 2016 candidates were hit with significant political blowback; Paul recanted and and got a booster vaccine to emphasize it. (Paul’s a member of the committee that held today’s hearing, but he wasn’t present. A spokesman said he was a classified Foreign Relations committee hearing at the exact same time.)

Tennessee Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, however, didn’t sympathize with the anti-vaccination movement, instead pinpointing parental exemptions as a health risk.

“What is standing between healthy children and deadly disease? It ought to be vaccinations, but too many parents are turning away from science,” he said at the start of the hearing.

Experts on the panel agreed. “It’s this philosophical exemption that’s causing problems,” Dr. Sawyer said.

Asked by Louisiana’s Sen. Bill Cassidy if immigrants were bringing measles into the country, Schuchat noted that these children were being vaccinated (or had already been vaccinated), saying “it’s just these new communities where parents are opting out that we’re quite worried about.”


This is not REALLY a vaccine issue. These are parents who are excessively paranoid of most ALL things government. Especially Federal government. Their poor kids (and the rest of the country) are just victims of these paranoid parents. You cannot rationalize with a crazy person.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/congressional-hearing-real-talk-sen-warren-vaccines

specsaregood
02-11-2015, 08:28 AM
Sen. Rand Paul, who has a background as a physician, went farther and said he’d seen vaccines cause “profound mental problems.” The pair of potential 2016 candidates were hit with significant political blowback; Paul recanted and and got a booster vaccine to emphasize it. (Paul’s a member of the committee that held today’s hearing, but he wasn’t present. A spokesman said he was a classified Foreign Relations committee hearing at the exact same time.)

Leave it to msnbc to keep on lying.
No only did Randal not say he had "seen vaccines cause", but they couldn't even get the part quoted correctly. And besides that he didn't even recant that statement.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 08:35 AM
Leave it to msnbc to keep on lying.
No only did Randal not say he had "seen vaccines cause", but they couldn't even get the part quoted correctly. And besides that he didn't even recant that statement.

Of course--that's what the MSM does best:D

Origanalist
02-11-2015, 08:36 AM
Call me crazy. Coming from them I will wear it like a badge.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 08:41 AM
Call me crazy. Coming from them I will wear it like a badge.

She is a Doctor, right? A JURIS Doctor

Working Poor
02-11-2015, 08:48 AM
Screw Sen. Elizabeth Warren and her big pharma owned Centers for Disease Control immunization expert.

specsaregood
02-11-2015, 08:50 AM
Screw Sen. Elizabeth Warren and her big pharma owned Centers for Disease Control immunization expert.

Not even to mention how the federal reserve turned her out yesterday and put her out on the corner. It was a big day for her it sounds like.

otherone
02-11-2015, 08:59 AM
Death rate extrapolations for USA for Flu: 63,729 per year, 5,310 per month, 1,225 per week, 174 per day, 7 per hour, 0 per minute, 0 per second. Note: this extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 63,730 annual deaths for influenza and pneumonia (NVSR Sep 2001); estimated 20,000 deaths from flu (NIAID)

Death rate extrapolations for USA for Measles: 2 per year, 0 per month, 0 per week, 0 per day, 0 per hour, 0 per minute, 0 per second. Note: this extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 2 deaths reported in USA 1999 (NVSR Sep 2001)

Why don't they MANDATE an annual flu shot?

libertyjam
02-11-2015, 09:00 AM
Why Is Germany So Calm About Its Measles Outbreak?

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/02/germany-measles-outbreak/385305/

If the Great American Measles Outbreak of 2015 were to have a watchword, it would probably be "selfish." As in, those "boneheaded," "irresponsible" parents whom experts are calling "incredibly selfish" for choosing not to get their children vaccinated for measles. ("Selfish" is even the title of a measles-themed 2009 episode of Law & Order: SVU.)

On Monday, Georgia became the most recent state to confirm a case of the disease, adding the Peach State to a list of (at least) 14 other states infected by the illness this year. What's different about this development, as WBS-TV Atlanta reported, is that "the infected infant arrived in Atlanta from outside of the U.S."
The measles outbreak in Germany is "about 10 times worse than the one in the United States in January, relative to the total population."

This case is rare not only because it bucks the American construction of the measles story, but also because it resembles the ongoing measles outbreak in Germany that, as The Washington Post reported, is "about 10 times worse than the one in the United States in January, relative to the total population."

While the Robert Koch Institute says Germany has notched nearly 400 measles cases since October, the outbreak has been linked in part to "asylum seekers from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Serbia" rather than "reckless" parents on the West Coast.

Perhaps more importantly, the response to the outbreak in Germany has been considerably more muted. As Rick Noack pointed out, the measles surge "has neither caused a debate about the alleged risks of vaccines nor has the outbreak been featured on front pages."

There appear to be a number of reasons for the relative calm. The first is that Germany has had its recent share of serious outbreaks, all of which were eventually brought to heel. Following a 2001 outbreak, in which over 6,000 cases were reported in Germany, the World Health Organization later set a goal to eradicate the disease by 2010 as cases dwindled to the hundreds. (Germany's ongoing flare-up frustrates its plan of ending measles cases within the country by the end of 2015.)

Another reason is that Germany has a pretty steady vaccination rate of 95 percent (the American rate is about 91 percent). Moreover, half of the cases reported in Germany during the past few months are adults who may have fallen into an immunization gap that started in the 1970s. In the place of parents, as Deutsche Welle observes, some blame has fallen on visitors and migrants, who have increasingly become the target of campaigns by anti-immigration groups within the country.

Health officials maintain that vaccination should remain the agreed-upon response. The World Health Organization credited an immunization campaign for lowering the annual deaths from measles "to 122,000 [in 2012] from 562,000 in 2002."
But the numbers still fluctuate as world events shape them. In 2013, measles fatalities crept back up to 145,000⎯a rate of 16 deaths per hour globally. Last year, there were over 100,000 cases between China and the Philippines alone, the latter of which had its immunization program interrupted by a typhoon. Meanwhile, in the United States, there were 644 reported cases across 27 states—the most since 1994.

Anti Federalist
02-11-2015, 09:10 AM
So what's you point, OP?

NACBA
02-11-2015, 09:34 AM
So what's you[sic] point, OP?

Just pointing out another reason to hate Liz Warren

William Tell
02-11-2015, 09:39 AM
Just pointing out another reason to hate Liz Warren

Says the person with Liz Warren as half an avatar.:)

JK/SEA
02-11-2015, 09:41 AM
Just pointing out another reason to hate Liz Warren


hate is a strong word. Ron Paul stays away from such childish ideas, and thoughts...

Spikender
02-11-2015, 10:13 AM
Hate isn't a childish thing at all, but it's a concept and emotion that has to be reserved and not thrown around as if it was a party favor.

enhanced_deficit
02-11-2015, 10:14 AM
Just pointing out another reason to hate Liz Warren

To be fair, she is not a complete *****bag or outright war criminal, just a stealth pawn of war mongering racialist money baggers.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 10:16 AM
hate is a strong word. Ron Paul stays away from such childish ideas, and thoughts...

I can think for myself, thank you.

AuH20
02-11-2015, 10:18 AM
To be fair, she is not a complete *****bag or outright war criminal, just a stealth pawn of war mongering racialist money baggers.

I'm pretty certain she knows what she's doing.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 10:27 AM
I'm pretty certain she knows what she's doing.

She does--and by opposing the Fed Audit, she is misbehaving. Loses credibility.

jonhowe
02-11-2015, 10:32 AM
An expert from Emory University vaccination center on NPR, of all places, said forcing vaccinations makes the most at-risk least likely to get vaccinated. He suggests very lenient regulations and more education, pretty much agreeing with Dr Paul. On NPR mind you.

JK/SEA
02-11-2015, 10:37 AM
I can think for myself, thank you.

just trying to help you evolve.

see that fork in the road ahead?....be careful.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 10:40 AM
just trying to help you evolve.

see that fork in the road ahead?....be careful.

Thanks--I have done some of that

Used to be a liberal union man

JK/SEA
02-11-2015, 11:00 AM
Thanks--I have done some of that

Used to be a liberal union man

same. Voted for Bill Clinton...twice, to my everlasting shame. Been trying to make up for it since 2007....

PaulConventionWV
02-11-2015, 12:49 PM
By Jane C. Timm

There was a moment at a Congressional committee hearing on Tuesday where the entire conversation about health risks and vaccines was laid bare. Sen. Elizabeth Warren asked a top Centers for Disease Control immunization expert whether vaccines are safe – eight different ways.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”

“No,” Dr. Anne Schuchat said.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause profound mental disorders?” Warren asks.

“No, but some of the disease we vaccinate against can,” Schuchat answers.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines have contributed to the rise of allergies or autoimmune disorders among kids?” Warren asks.

“No,” she said.

The exchange continues, with Warren asking an additional five times about the dangers of vaccines, hearing the same answers: no, no, no, no, and no again.

“Vaccines are safe,” Schuchat said.

“The increase in measles cases should be seen as a wake-up call,” Schuchat testified.

But the outbreak has become more than a public health crisis, it’s also become a political lightning rod as conservatives struggle to reconcile their personal views with an ongoing emergency. Last week, Gov. Chris Christie stumbled, saying while he’d vaccinated his own kids, he wanted parents to have a choice on the matter.

Sen. Rand Paul, who has a background as a physician, went farther and said he’d seen vaccines cause “profound mental problems.” The pair of potential 2016 candidates were hit with significant political blowback; Paul recanted and and got a booster vaccine to emphasize it. (Paul’s a member of the committee that held today’s hearing, but he wasn’t present. A spokesman said he was a classified Foreign Relations committee hearing at the exact same time.)

Tennessee Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, however, didn’t sympathize with the anti-vaccination movement, instead pinpointing parental exemptions as a health risk.

“What is standing between healthy children and deadly disease? It ought to be vaccinations, but too many parents are turning away from science,” he said at the start of the hearing.

Experts on the panel agreed. “It’s this philosophical exemption that’s causing problems,” Dr. Sawyer said.

Asked by Louisiana’s Sen. Bill Cassidy if immigrants were bringing measles into the country, Schuchat noted that these children were being vaccinated (or had already been vaccinated), saying “it’s just these new communities where parents are opting out that we’re quite worried about.”


This is not REALLY a vaccine issue. These are parents who are excessively paranoid of most ALL things government. Especially Federal government. Their poor kids (and the rest of the country) are just victims of these paranoid parents. You cannot rationalize with a crazy person.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/congressional-hearing-real-talk-sen-warren-vaccines

Mantras, hyperbole, propaganda and ad hominems. Great article.

NACBA
02-11-2015, 12:54 PM
“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”

“No,” Dr. Anne Schuchat said.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause profound mental disorders?” Warren asks.

ALEX JONES, M.D. DISAGREES

PaulConventionWV
02-11-2015, 12:59 PM
To be fair, she is not a complete *****bag or outright war criminal, just a stealth pawn of war mongering racialist money baggers.

Nah, she's a complete *****bag.

Danke
02-11-2015, 01:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqCFxg2ez44

presence
02-11-2015, 02:17 PM
http://benswann.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/forcedblooddraw.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/forced-blood-draw_1.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bH0yeCTbfvw/hqdefault.jpg



Coming to a vaccine clinic near you!

69360
02-11-2015, 06:17 PM
This is not REALLY a vaccine issue. These are parents who are excessively paranoid of most ALL things government. Especially Federal government. Their poor kids (and the rest of the country) are just victims of these paranoid parents. You cannot rationalize with a crazy person.

Doesn't matter. I don't care about the science behind it or if they are crazy or not.

If they don't want to vaccinate their kids, government should not be able to force them to.

Health decisions are a parent's choice, not a government's.

staerker
02-11-2015, 06:26 PM
The outcome of this "debate" has the potential to set this country on an irreversible route.

If the government is soon allowed to inject its citizens with whatever chemicals it desires, it is game over.

angelatc
02-11-2015, 06:29 PM
She does--and by opposing the Fed Audit, she is misbehaving. Loses credibility.

Assuming she had an credibility, this is what socialists are. She wants a government to provide oversight, but not a government subjected to oversight.

DamianTV
02-11-2015, 06:35 PM
US Media Blackout: Italian Court Rules Vaccines Cause Autism
http://www.zengardner.com/us-media-blackout-italian-court-rules-vaccines-cause-autism/

Links to source material in the article.

Anti Federalist
02-11-2015, 06:41 PM
Just pointing out another reason to hate Liz Warren

As somebody already pointed out, so says the person with a Fauxcahontas avatar.

Which has since been changed, I see.

You can understand my confusion.

Anti Federalist
02-11-2015, 06:48 PM
US Media Blackout: Italian Court Rules Vaccines Cause Autism
http://www.zengardner.com/us-media-blackout-italian-court-rules-vaccines-cause-autism/

Links to source material in the article.

How inconvenient.

Working Poor
02-11-2015, 08:26 PM
To be fair, she is not a complete *****bag or outright war criminal, just a stealth pawn of war mongering racialist money baggers.
But, it does sound like she has sold out to big pharma.

Working Poor
02-11-2015, 08:32 PM
This is not REALLY a vaccine issue. These are parents who are excessively paranoid of most ALL things government. Especially Federal government. Their poor kids (and the rest of the country) are just victims of these paranoid parents. You cannot rationalize with a crazy person.

So you think people who do not want their children to get incredibly sick are crazy? Most of the people who do not want to vaccinate are very concerned about the health of their children it has nothing to do with not wanting the government to tell them they have to although if it comes down to it I am sure they will have a real fight on their hands.. There is so much evidence that vaccines harm children and adults that I do not understand how so many people could be over looking it.

angelatc
02-11-2015, 08:50 PM
So you think people who do not want their children to get incredibly sick are crazy? Most of the people who do not want to vaccinate are very concerned about the health of their children it has nothing to do with not wanting the government to tell them they have to although if it comes down to it I am sure they will have a real fight on their hands.. There is so much evidence that vaccines harm children and adults that I do not understand how so many people could be over looking it.

No, we think that people who keep insisting that there is any credible evidence that vaccines are dangerous while simultaneously implying that diseases are safe are crazy.

DamianTV
02-11-2015, 09:46 PM
No, we think that people who keep insisting that there is any credible evidence that vaccines are dangerous while simultaneously implying that diseases are safe are crazy.

Both sides of the vaccine debate have their own inherit danger. But the "Elephant in the Room" has nothing to do with vaccines, as Governments are just as big, if not more of a threat to the safety of the people.

Origanalist
02-11-2015, 10:40 PM
The outcome of this "debate" has the potential to set this country on an irreversible route.

If the government is soon allowed to inject its citizens with whatever chemicals it desires, it is game over.

From where I'm sitting, it already is. show me where I'm wrong.

Natural Citizen
02-11-2015, 10:42 PM
From where I'm sitting, it already is. show me where I'm wrong.

Dang. I never took you for a quitter, O.

Origanalist
02-11-2015, 10:46 PM
Dang. I never took you for a quitter, O.

You didn't answer my challenge. (and I never said I quit)

Natural Citizen
02-11-2015, 11:12 PM
You didn't answer my challenge. (and I never said I quit)

It's not game over yet, man. It looks bleak but the game is far from over.

It's kind of funny that you mention it, though. It reminded me of an old movie line that I've shared here a couple of times.

Check it out...


William H. Bonney: You remember the stories John use to tell us about the the three chinamen playing Fantan? This guy runs up to them and says, "Hey, the world's coming to an end!" and the first one says, "Well, I best go to the mission and pray," and the second one says, "Well, hell, I'm gonna go and buy me a case of Mezcal and six whores," and the third one says "Well, I'm gonna finish the game." I shall finish the game, Doc.


I shall finish the game, O. :)

Mach
02-12-2015, 02:35 AM
No, we think that people who keep insisting that there is any credible evidence that vaccines are dangerous while simultaneously implying that diseases are safe are crazy.

Why don't you just call all of these people "baby killers," and tell them to "stfu," that's what you do here, behind the scenes.

Lucille
02-12-2015, 11:36 AM
The exchange continues, with Warren asking an additional five times about the dangers of vaccines, hearing the same answers: no, no, no, no, and no again.

“Vaccines are safe,” Schuchat said.

Was the vaccine court and the national vaccine injury compensation program mentioned by anyone during the hearing?

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html

Or are they like the AGW zealots who simply just pretend that their fraudulent data is never exposed and forge ahead with their proclamations, mad scientism (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468665-Fed-report-Time-to-examine-purposely-cooling-planet-idea), and carbon tax scams? Or like how so many keep insisting that the technological geniuses in North Korea hacked Sony?

John F Kennedy III
02-13-2015, 08:09 AM
By Jane C. Timm

There was a moment at a Congressional committee hearing on Tuesday where the entire conversation about health risks and vaccines was laid bare. Sen. Elizabeth Warren asked a top Centers for Disease Control immunization expert whether vaccines are safe – eight different ways.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism?”

“No,” Dr. Anne Schuchat said.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines cause profound mental disorders?” Warren asks.

“No, but some of the disease we vaccinate against can,” Schuchat answers.

“Is there any scientific evidence that vaccines have contributed to the rise of allergies or autoimmune disorders among kids?” Warren asks.

“No,” she said.

The exchange continues, with Warren asking an additional five times about the dangers of vaccines, hearing the same answers: no, no, no, no, and no again.

“Vaccines are safe,” Schuchat said.

“The increase in measles cases should be seen as a wake-up call,” Schuchat testified.

But the outbreak has become more than a public health crisis, it’s also become a political lightning rod as conservatives struggle to reconcile their personal views with an ongoing emergency. Last week, Gov. Chris Christie stumbled, saying while he’d vaccinated his own kids, he wanted parents to have a choice on the matter.

Sen. Rand Paul, who has a background as a physician, went farther and said he’d seen vaccines cause “profound mental problems.” The pair of potential 2016 candidates were hit with significant political blowback; Paul recanted and and got a booster vaccine to emphasize it. (Paul’s a member of the committee that held today’s hearing, but he wasn’t present. A spokesman said he was a classified Foreign Relations committee hearing at the exact same time.)

Tennessee Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander, however, didn’t sympathize with the anti-vaccination movement, instead pinpointing parental exemptions as a health risk.

“What is standing between healthy children and deadly disease? It ought to be vaccinations, but too many parents are turning away from science,” he said at the start of the hearing.

Experts on the panel agreed. “It’s this philosophical exemption that’s causing problems,” Dr. Sawyer said.

Asked by Louisiana’s Sen. Bill Cassidy if immigrants were bringing measles into the country, Schuchat noted that these children were being vaccinated (or had already been vaccinated), saying “it’s just these new communities where parents are opting out that we’re quite worried about.”


This is not REALLY a vaccine issue. These are parents who are excessively paranoid of most ALL things government. Especially Federal government. Their poor kids (and the rest of the country) are just victims of these paranoid parents. You cannot rationalize with a crazy person.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/congressional-hearing-real-talk-sen-warren-vaccines

I can't tell if you're pro or anti vaccine...which is it?

John F Kennedy III
02-13-2015, 08:10 AM
The outcome of this "debate" has the potential to set this country on an irreversible route.

If the government is soon allowed to inject its citizens with whatever chemicals it desires, it is game over.

It's been game over for a LONG time.

DamianTV
02-13-2015, 08:39 AM
It's been game over for a LONG time.

Only one thing left to do when the game is over.
Press the RESET button.

staerker
02-13-2015, 09:11 AM
It's been game over for a LONG time.

Possibly. But now, game over in the sense that there will be no reset button anymore.


Only one thing left to do when the game is over.
Press the RESET button.

If we thought that the the State schooling and propaganda machine was bad enough, forced chemical injections = straight up mind control.

Those who don't go underground won't have another free thought in their life.

That is the "precedent" that is being set. If the State already violates our natural rights for the "greater good," it is the next logical step to remove the desire for freedom, for the "greater good."

staerker
02-13-2015, 09:28 AM
Death rate extrapolations for USA for Flu: 63,729 per year, 5,310 per month, 1,225 per week, 174 per day, 7 per hour, 0 per minute, 0 per second. Note: this extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 63,730 annual deaths for influenza and pneumonia (NVSR Sep 2001); estimated 20,000 deaths from flu (NIAID)

Death rate extrapolations for USA for Measles: 2 per year, 0 per month, 0 per week, 0 per day, 0 per hour, 0 per minute, 0 per second. Note: this extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 2 deaths reported in USA 1999 (NVSR Sep 2001)

Why don't they MANDATE an annual flu shot?

Exactly. Anyone who thinks this is about death rates has their head buried under a mountain of sand. TPTB in America don't give one iota about death rates, anyone who frequents here should know that.

This is about control, and a larger plan, not about some huge non-factor like the flu, or measles.

Lucille
02-13-2015, 11:55 AM
Do We Need a Vaccine for Hubris?
http://www.strike-the-root.com/do-we-need-vaccine-for-hubris


There are a lot of heated exchanges going on right now in social media related to vaccination. Many people have become convinced that parents who do not vaccinate are jeopardizing the health of others and that vaccines for children should be mandated. Politicians who are expected to run for president in 2016 are starting to weigh in on the topic and some of them are coming out in favor of mandatory vaccination.

Given what we know about vaccines, this situation should not come as a surprise. After all, we have been told that vaccines have saved millions of lives and wiped out deadly and debilitating diseases. They have dramatically increased life expectancy and only rarely cause serious harm (only 1 in a million cases). Without vaccines, we might see the high infant and child mortality rates seen today in Third World countries. With that understanding, for most people the decision about whether or not to vaccinate their kids is a no-brainer. Why would any rational person turn their back on vaccination?

But arguments rest upon their premises. If we start with faulty premises, then we are likely to come to the wrong conclusion, no matter how logical and rational we may be. So if it turns out that our premises overstate the potential benefits of vaccination and understate the risks, then we will hold a more favorable view of vaccination than we would if we held a more accurate assessment of the risks and benefits. With that in mind, let’s reexamine many of these premises and see if they hold water or if there is more to the story than what we have been told. What if we have been misled?

Potential Benefits of Vaccination
[...]
Risks of Vaccination
[...]
The Vaccine Skepticism Movement
[...]
Friedrich Hayek made the following statement:

“The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design. To the naive mind that can conceive of order only as the product of deliberate arrangement, it may seem absurd that in complex conditions order, and adaptation to the unknown, can be achieved more effectively by decentralizing decisions and that a division of authority will actually extend the possibility of overall order. Yet that decentralization actually leads to more information being taken into account.” ~ The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism (1988), p. 76

What if health care decisions cannot be centrally planned and are best made by individuals and parents?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZGaZY8knujQ/VNvtArRBi8I/AAAAAAAAV-Q/VF58T3fo1gI/s1600/raggedyann.jpg

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/033/knowing.jpg

DamianTV
02-13-2015, 06:07 PM
I wish there were a Vaccine for Stupidity.

"Why is the NFL older than the US? There have been 48 Super Bowls and only 44 Presidents!"
"Youre smelly! Your High Jean is terrible!"
"When Jesus invented the Bible..."

Slave Mentality
02-13-2015, 07:52 PM
The common good can blow me. Willingly allowing anyone control over you or your family's bodies is sick. Asking the government to control other people's bodies in the name of the greater good is even sicker.

We are living in the modern dark ages folks. Herd immunity? I ain't part of your herd mother fuckers. Yeah I get riled about it.

Statists are gonna state.