Time To Get Mad: Obama's Plan to Regulate the Internet is 332 Pages. The Public Can't Read It!

[muh_roads]

FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai posted this on his twitter.

https://twitter.com/AjitPaiFCC/status/563724099906568193

563724099906568193

He is supposedly on our side and will most likely vote "no" according to his tweets over the weekend. But he may be the sole "no" vote. Laws prevent him from disclosing to the public about what is in the book, so he did the only thing he could...post a pic of the book and let people know "they" want to pass it before we get to find out what is in it.

[specsaregood]

All those morons clamoring for "net neutrality" are about to get the big corncob they deserve.

[muh_roads]

All those morons clamoring for "net neutrality" are about to get the big corncob they deserve.

He posted a short statement also. It sounds like this is going to be really bad. :( Please pass this along to everyone you can.

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0206/DOC-331907A1.pdf

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STATEMENT OF FCC COMMISSIONER AJIT PAION PRESIDENT OBAMA’S PLAN TO REGULATE THE INTERNET

Last night, Chairman Wheeler provided his fellow Commissioners with President Obama’s 332-page plan to regulate the Internet. I am disappointed that the plan will not be released publicly. The FCC should be as open and transparent as the Internet itself and post the entire document on its website.Instead, it looks like the FCC will have to pass the President’s plan before the American people will be able to find out what’s really in it.

In the coming days, I look forward to continuing to study the plan in detail. Based on my initial examination, however, several points are apparent.

First, President Obama’s plan marks a monumental shift toward government control of the Internet. It gives the FCC the power to micromanage virtually every aspect of how the Internet works.It’s an overreach that will let a Washington bureaucracy, and not the American people, decide the future of the online world. It’s no wonder that net neutrality proponents are already bragging that it will turn the FCC into the “Department of the Internet.” For that reason, if you like dealing with the IRS, you are going to love the President’s plan.

Second, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will increase consumers’ monthly broadband bills. The plan explicitly opens the door to billions of dollars in new taxes on broadband.Indeed, states have already begun discussions on how they will spend the extra money. These new taxes will mean higher prices for consumers and more hidden fees that they have to pay.

Third, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will mean slower broadband forAmerican consumers. The plan contains a host of new regulations that will reduce investment in broadband networks. That means slower Internet speeds. It also means that many rural Americans will have to wait longer for access to quality broadband.

Fourth, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet will hurt competition and innovation and move us toward a broadband monopoly. The plan saddles small, independent businesses and entrepreneurs with heavy-handed regulations that will push them out of the market. As a result, Americans will have fewer broadband choices. This is no accident. Title II was designed to regulate a monopoly. If we impose that model on a vibrant broadband marketplace, a highly regulated monopoly is what we’ll get. We shouldn’t bring Ma Bell back to life in this dynamic, digital age.

Fifth, President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet is an unlawful power grab. Courts have twice thrown out the FCC’s attempts at Internet regulation. There’s no reason to think that the third time will be the charm. Even a cursory look at the plan reveals glaring legal flaws that are sure to mire the agency in the muck of litigation for a long, long time.

And sixth, the American people are being misled about what is in President Obama’s plan to regulate the Internet. The rollout earlier in the week was obviously intended to downplay the plan’s 2 massive intrusion into the Internet economy. Beginning next week, I look forward to sharing with the public key aspects of what this plan will actually do.

[alucard13mm]

Noooo. Not my porn and hentai!

[VIDEODROME]

Noooo. Not my porn and hentai!

lolz



Seriously, what might the blow back be? A massive surge in people using VPNs and TOR? Will the ISPs or FCC actually try to stop encrypted tunneling? Can they?

Do fools in Washington even have a clue how the Internets works?

[muh_roads]

Noooo. Not my porn and hentai!

I could see them requiring Etsy sellers to acquire a license. Lobbied for of course.

People should take this more seriously. Read the .pdf and realize the Government wants to control every corner of the web.

[Uriel999]

Part of me really just wants to say screw it and go off grid...and I love technology.

[muh_roads]

Drudge Report put it at the top in red.

[axiomata]

This baby needs to go down in flames.

[Anti Federalist]

I could see them requiring Etsy sellers to acquire a license. Lobbied for of course.

People should take this more seriously. Read the .pdf and realize the Government wants to control every corner of the web.

The control everything else, so I'm not surprised.

[VIDEODROME]

The Internet will shrink

The Darknet will grow. Come to the dark side and grab the Tor Browser Bundle.


https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

[DamianTV]

Cant reveal to public because of the Law? Unconstitutional Laws can not be enforced. As if that ever stopped them. The time for Belief in their Ultimate Authority must end.

[Cabal]

If they take our porn away, we riot.

[VIDEODROME]

The Internet will shrink

The Darknet will grow. Come to the dark side and grab the Tor Browser Bundle.


https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

I'm serious.

I installed the Tor Browser on Linux. It is so damn easy.

If you think Tor sounds to complicated, it's really not, and probably even easier on Windows. It should be not be any harder than installing and running Firefox. All you do is run it and it connects you to the Tor Network bouncing you across nodes to hide your IP.

This also grants you access to a chunk of The Darknet. Examples are on The Hidden Wiki: http://thehiddenwiki.org/

TOR stands for The Onion Router and all those websites end in .onion. You can't access them from a plain connection on your ISP, you need to be on Tor.

This includes: http://zbnnr7qzaxlk5tms.onion/ – Wiki Leaks where Snowden and others can blow the whistle.

If Wiki Leaks can build a home on Tor, maybe anybody can including RPF if the Internet goes to shit.

[specsaregood]

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[Cabal]

Oh, I'm sure you'll keep your porn as it helps keep the public docile.

Don't be so sure...

UK porn legislation: What is now banned under new government laws (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-porn-legislation-what-is-now-banned-under-new-government-laws-9898541.html)


Pornography produced in the UK was effectively censored on Tuesday after an amendment was made to the 2003 Communications Act. It banned a list of sex acts by demanding paid-for video-on-demand (VoD) online porn is regulated by the same guidelines set out by the British Board of Film Censors (BBFC) that DVD pornography (R18 films) must adhere to.

Three banned acts were deemed life threatening: strangulation, facesitting and fisting.

Other acts banned included spanking beyond a gentle level, full bondage and restraint (in conjunction with a gag and all four limbs restrained) and - bizarrely - female ejaculation.

Abusive language during sex is now also banned, alongside depictions of non-consensual sex.

[VIDEODROME]

I think the world is a safer place if people with the urge to do those acts remain pre-occupied doing them for film / entertainment.

What is a Fisting performer or Face Sitter going to do if you put them out of work?

[Cabal]

I think the world is a safer place if people with the urge to do those acts remain pre-occupied doing them for film / entertainment.

What is a Fisting performer or Face Sitter going to do if you put them out of work?

Department of Corrections officer?

[parocks]

Noooo. Not my porn and hentai!

Things everywhere in all aspects over the last 15 years or so have gotten increasingly bad at an accelerating rate.

However, porn's better than ever. High quality, fast and free. Much improved.

[parocks]

I think the world is a safer place if people with the urge to do those acts remain pre-occupied doing them for film / entertainment.

What is a Fisting performer or Face Sitter going to do if you put them out of work?

I don't think that fisters fist on film for fun, fisters fist on film for money.

[VIDEODROME]

Department of Corrections officer?

my point exactly

If you get stopped at a checkpoint, you won't walk right for a week.

[Mach]

How to Exit the Matrix

https://billstclair.com/matrix/

[kpitcher]

Google has said this is good news for competition as the internet as a utility under title II would force the utilities to allow competitors to use their poles
http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/01/google-letter-fcc-title-ii/

The monopolies of baby bells and comcast would not like competition in any shape or form.


ccording to a letter from Google to the FCC. Mountain View pointed out that if broadband internet access is declared to be a Title II service, then Google Fiber should be granted the same access as other utilities to poles and other essential infrastructure. It went on to say that doing so would actually "promote broadband deployment and competition."

Google is often forced to dig trenches for its Fiber internet, limiting the highly sought service to just a few communities so far. That's because access to poles, ducts and conduits (at a tenth the cost) is limited by federal law to traditional cable TV and telecom suppliers. Google doesn't legally fit that definition, even though it provides internet-based TV and telephone services. It has had pole access hassles in the past with carriers like AT&T, which said last year that that it would cooperate more with Google only when it "qualifies as a telecom or cable provider" under federal law.

[kpitcher]

The Internet will shrink

The Darknet will grow. Come to the dark side and grab the Tor Browser Bundle.


https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

Darknet growing is a possibility however it runs on top of the existing internet. Also tor, while interesting, has some major problems. Being able to track traffic is doable if the government runs enough of the nodes. Enough bad nodes can de-anonymize tor and the project is trying to figure out workarounds.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/law-enforcement-seized-tor-nodes-and-may-have-run-some-of-its-own/

Also the FBI wants the power to legally hack you if you run tor or a VPN http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/20/1540241/fbi-seeks-to-legally-hack-you-if-youre-connected-to-tor-or-a-vpn
Nice of them to try to get permission for things they've been doing without.

[Origanalist]

"Time To Get Mad"

That time came and went with a whimper.

[Cabal]

force the utilities to allow competitors to use their poles

The monopolies of baby bells and comcast would not like competition in any shape or form.

Forcible redistribution of wealth, eh? Sounds positively wonderful!

And I'm sure these existing "monopolies" are not at all the result of laws, regulations, and bureaucracies (i.e. force) that allowed the landscape to become what it is today...

Don’t Blame Big Cable. It’s Local Governments That Choke Broadband Competition (http://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/)


While popular arguments focus on supposed “monopolists” such as big cable companies, it’s government that’s really to blame. Companies can make life harder for their competitors, but strangling the competition takes government.

Broadband policy discussions usually revolve around the U.S. government’s Federal Communications Commission (FCC), yet it’s really our local governments and public utilities that impose the most significant barriers to entry.

[VIDEODROME]

Darknet growing is a possibility however it runs on top of the existing internet. Also tor, while interesting, has some major problems. Being able to track traffic is doable if the government runs enough of the nodes. Enough bad nodes can de-anonymize tor and the project is trying to figure out workarounds.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/law-enforcement-seized-tor-nodes-and-may-have-run-some-of-its-own/

Also the FBI wants the power to legally hack you if you run tor or a VPN http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/20/1540241/fbi-seeks-to-legally-hack-you-if-youre-connected-to-tor-or-a-vpn
Nice of them to try to get permission for things they've been doing without.

Well, even that just says search. That might imply Hack, but that doesn't mean to me the FBI has super hackers that can get into anything. I also imagine that applies to a circumstance where they've found the physical machine and the fact that it's been using a VPN makes them more suspicious. If a responsible person is using a VPN or Tor or even both at the same time, it seems like it would be a huge pain in the ass to trace back unless the user made a dumb mistake.



Still... that's good to know and consider. Almost enough to make me think of reorganizing or virtualizing my desktop.

[Mach]

Well, even that just says search. That might imply Hack, but that doesn't mean to me the FBI has super hackers that can get into anything. I also imagine that applies to a circumstance where they've found the physical machine and the fact that it's been using a VPN makes them more suspicious. If a responsible person is using a VPN or Tor or even both at the same time, it seems like it would be a huge pain in the ass to trace back unless the user made a dumb mistake.



Still... that's good to know and consider. Almost enough to make me think of reorganizing or virtualizing my desktop.

Do you know what an Exit Node is?

Do you think the gov already has exit nodes? cheahhhhh right! as if!!

http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/31589/is-a-tor-router-really-safer-than-a-proxy

http://pando.com/2014/12/21/so-it-begins-operator-of-large-tor-exit-node-cluster-reports-he-has-lost-control-of-his-servers/

http://www.securityweek.com/tor-exit-node-found-maliciously-modifying-files

[idiom]

It will just kill growth of the American internet.

Just wait till it takes the FCC 3 months to review and approve changes to your BGP routes.

Lol America is borked.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm serious.

I installed the Tor Browser on Linux. It is so damn easy.

If you think Tor sounds to complicated, it's really not, and probably even easier on Windows. It should be not be any harder than installing and running Firefox. All you do is run it and it connects you to the Tor Network bouncing you across nodes to hide your IP.

This also grants you access to a chunk of The Darknet. Examples are on The Hidden Wiki: http://thehiddenwiki.org/

TOR stands for The Onion Router and all those websites end in .onion. You can't access them from a plain connection on your ISP, you need to be on Tor.

This includes: http://zbnnr7qzaxlk5tms.onion/ – Wiki Leaks where Snowden and others can blow the whistle.

If Wiki Leaks can build a home on Tor, maybe anybody can including RPF if the Internet goes to shit.

Sure it's easy, but how in the world is anybody supposed to find anything on the darknet?

[tasteless]

time to get into ham radio boys if you aren't already

[VIDEODROME]

Sure it's easy, but how in the world is anybody supposed to find anything on the darknet?

Start with the Hidden Wiki


Also, Tor is not without it's own risk or issues especially on the exit nodes where you pop-out onto the Internet. I'm mostly curious about the Darknet though and spending time with the .onion sites. By doing that, it seems like you're staying within the Darknet where meeting places or even markets are setup.

[VIDEODROME]

time to get into ham radio boys if you aren't already

My understanding is even Packet Radio can functionally host BBSes and independent mail servers. My Dad has HAM radio stuff and I'd like to try messing with that sometime.

[GunnyFreedom]

My understanding is even Packet Radio can functionally host BBSes and independent mail servers. My Dad has HAM radio stuff and I'd like to try messing with that sometime.

Yes, it is even technically possible (although thoroughly illegal) to browse the Internet on HAM Packet.

[BV2]

There sure seems to be a sudden urge to acquire control of everything, particularly the internet. What does that mean? Is it a threat? Obviously, but how? Is some paradigm altering news on the way out and are they just getting ahead of the curve? More likely it just poses too much of a threat to remain free. Can't have the plebs learning from each other and sharing perspectives and uncovering common threads and shit.

[Weston White]

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/08/13/net-neutrality-fcc-may-regulate-internet-like-phones
http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality
https://www.askheritage.org/does-the-fcc-have-the-power-to-regulate-the-internet


Following his party’s devastating losses last November, President Barack Obama made clear that where his party could no longer legislate, it will regulate. Just a month later, America saw his words become action when the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted to issue new rules regulating the Internet, even though courts and Congress have stood in opposition to its actions. Tomorrow, the House of Representatives is poised to voice its opposition to the FCC’s unmitigated power grab and will vote on a resolution to block the FCC’s rules, sending a powerful message that enough regulation is enough, and the FCC should keep its hands off the Internet.

The policy the FCC is trying to enact is known as “net neutrality,” an unfortunately vague code word for government regulation of the Internet. Supporters of net neutrality will tell you the regulation is necessary to keep the Internet “free and open” and to prevent corporations from “throttling” network speeds, making it faster to download some things, slower to download others. And, in this doomsday, apocalyptic, dystopian future, only the FCC can save the day with more and more government regulations.

[TommyJeff]

How many days after this bill gets passed will RPF be "regulated". Any guesses?

[Stratovarious]

Billions in taxes and permission from our Government to speak when they feel that what we have to say it is appropriate and complies with it's wishes.
We will all eventually have a gov 'tag' that either allows us to use the internet or bans us from it.

John Kennedy would not approve.

[Stratovarious]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTsPresident John F Kennedy "Secret Society" Speech

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City
April 27, 1961


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[osan]

This baby Obama needs to go down in flames.

A little late for that, don't you think?

[tod evans]

Time To Get Mad: Obama's Plan to Regulate the Internet is 332 Pages. The Public Can't Read It!

Okay, get mad then....

What are you going to DO?

SWLOD's?

Vote harder?

Type like the dickens?

And that is why things like this and countless other pieces of legislation are enacted...

Talking/marching and flag waving doesn't even give them pause...

[Todd]

You guys don't understand. They must pass it first, so we can see what's in it.

[osan]

The Internet will shrink

The Darknet will grow. Come to the dark side and grab the Tor Browser Bundle.


https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

Meaningless gesture. Firstly, because we know nothing of what is contained in this poisonous pill, we have no idea whether use of TOR would even be allowed. Before you object with "well, people will just use it anyway", you need to realize that that will not happen if Theye are serious about stopping it and that it is the same failed logic as those who think bitcoin is going to take over and set the world free. Theye can alter the world to ban the transport of TOR traffic. If the infrastructure is taken from you, guess what: no internet for you.

I worked on the network for 20 years. I've designed network controllers and all that sort of crap. Been up to my eyeballs in it with the FCC, DoJ, and the PUCs of several states including Texas as a senior manager of these brands of regulated projects. The network is highly centralized in terms of control such that most people have no clue. If Theye want something to happen, they need only pass a regulation and the LECs will toe. When you have control over layers 1-3, you basically have control over everything. The higher layers are readily altered to require whatever provisions Theye dictate. If, e.g., Theye decide encryption shall be forever banished, then it will be... except for those approved parties, of course.

Some will then say "there will be rogue outfits that will defy... blabbity blah blah blah..." No, there will not - again, assuming Theye are serious about a given issue. If a company on Vanuatu says "ar' me scurvies... foight 'em we will... ar...", they will simply be disconnected. Any switch, anywhere in the world, can be isolated in a matter of minutes - perhaps even seconds these days. If someone develops viable radio-frequency transport, that technology will still fall under regulation. Its very nature lends itself to discovery of transmission sources, and the low-frequencies that would permit long-range, low-power transmission would limit bandwidth to a sad pittance.

The only thing that has kept Themme at bay thus far has been their self-perceived limits regarding what they think they can get away in the context of popular revolt. Now, having passed some threshold years back, Theye no longer appear to believe that there are any consequences worthy of their fear. If this passes, the likelihood is that it will stick in whole or in part. That is how these things go - the historical precedents of the past 150 years makes that pretty clear.

Theye have you by the balls. Never make the mistake of thinking it otherwise. We 'net because Theye let us. This now seems to be interfering with Theire wishes in some measure and they are getting itchy to make changes. Three hundred and twenty two pages worth.

I hope they do it. That old morbid curiosity in me is alive and well. :)

[Zippyjuan]

Don't know how to copy a tweet here but:
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/231997-internet-regulations-run-332-pages


Gigi Sohn ✔ @GigiBSohnFCC
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Text of #netneutrality rules are only 8 pages. Rest of proposal responds 2 record submitted by millions of Americans, as required by law.

[muh_roads]

Start with the Hidden Wiki

I would be careful of advising people to use the Hidden Wiki. It is edited far more frequently than wikipedia with less double-checking. Scammers create duplicate websites all the time trying to phish for your password.

[Cabal]

You guys don't understand. They must pass it first, so we can see what's in it.

http://xrepublic.s3.amazonaws.com/styles/large/s3/nodes/images/10006539_10152145458667971_7344558402174266932_n.j pg

[osan]

Don't know how to copy a tweet here but:
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/231997-internet-regulations-run-332-pages


"Only" 8-pages? Whether it is "only" depends wholly on what those pages contain. Given the power, I could screw your internet into the ground with nothing more than a phrase.

[Ronin Truth]

Problem --> Reaction --> Solution. ( lather, rinse, repeat )

[tasteless]

My understanding is even Packet Radio can functionally host BBSes and independent mail servers. My Dad has HAM radio stuff and I'd like to try messing with that sometime.

Yes, you can do such things, I know that some people (illegally) use radio to send emails from ships at sea, but using the radio to get on the internet is missing the point. Why go through the internet infrastructure when you can create your own decentralized communications network with little more than a transceiver and some wire?

[FindLiberty]

I don't know what to think...

Maybe more government would help, no?

NO!

[osan]

Yes, you can do such things, I know that some people (illegally) use radio to send emails from ships at sea, but using the radio to get on the internet is missing the point. Why go through the internet infrastructure when you can create your own decentralized communications network with little more than a transceiver and some wire?

You are not clear on the technical structure of such a network. What do you mean by "tranceiver and some wire?"

[tasteless]

You are not clear on the technical structure of such a network. What do you mean by "tranceiver and some wire?"

You have a transceiver to receive and transmit signals, and a long piece of wire to serve as an antenna (of course, purpose built antennas work better, but people have even used things like drain pipes, lawn chairs, and dinner forks as antennas to talk across the country and around the world). Then you're broadcasting through the air. No need for any sort of infrastructure like underground fiber optic cables or DNS servers.

[muh_roads]

You guys got me looking into ham radio internet. Top speed seems to be 100k or so. Slower than ISDN, faster than the old 56k.

d-star seems to make the most products that support it. If it is illegal, nobody seems to have told those guys. That stuff is all over youtube on how to set it up.

[dannno]

I don't think that fisters fist on film for fun, fisters fist on film for money.

Amy from Chasing Amy disagrees.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7zptei4pF1qcfba3o1_500.gif

[DamianTV]

Lets be perfectly clear here.

REGULATION OF INTERNET = CENSORSHIP OF INTERNET AND YOU

The intent of this bill is to CENSOR YOU. The other 331 'n change pages are Fluff.