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Suzanimal
02-08-2015, 11:18 AM
WASHINGTON – Spending for the Department of Homeland Security hangs in the balance as Congress fights over immigration matters in the agency's annual funding bill. Without action by Feb. 27, the department's budget will shut off.

To hear Democrats and many Republicans tell it, the result would be unacceptable risks to U.S. security at a time of grave threats worldwide. In reality, though, most people will see little change if the department's money flow is halted, and some of the warnings of doom are as exaggerated as they are striking.

"There are ghoulish, grim predators out there who would love to kill us or do us harm," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. "We should not be dillydallying and playing parliamentary pingpong with national security."

In the view of some House conservatives, though, shutting off the agency's $40 billion budget for a time "is obviously not the end of the world," as Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., put it, because many agency employees would stay at work through a shutdown.

Who's right, and what would the impact be if Congress were to let money for the department lapse?

Salmon and a few other conservatives are the only ones saying it publicly so far, but the reality is that a department shutdown would have a very limited impact on national security.

That's because most department employees fall into exempted categories of workers who stay on the job in a shutdown because they perform work considered necessary to protect human life and property. Even in a shutdown, most workers across agencies, including the Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, Federal Emergency Management Agency and Customs and Border Protection, would continue to report to work.

Airport security checkpoints would remain staffed, the Secret Service would continue to protect the president and other dignitaries, the Coast Guard would stay on patrol, immigration agents would still be on the job.

Indeed, of the agency's approximately 230,000 employees, some 200,000 of them would keep working even if Congress fails to fund their agency. It's a reality that was on display during the 16-day government-wide shutdown in the fall of 2013, when national parks and monuments closed but essential government functions kept running, albeit sometimes on reduced staff.

So what of the sometimes overheated rhetoric, often from Democrats trying to prove a political point?

"If this goes to shutdown," Mikulski said, "this could close down ports up and down the East Coast, because if you don't have a Coast Guard, you don't have the ports. You don't have the ports, you don't have an economy."

But if the department loses its money, the Coast Guard will stay in operation and so will the ports.

There would be one big change, though. Most workers would not get paid until the shutdown ends, a circumstance guaranteed to put pressure on members of Congress hearing from constituents angry about going without their paychecks.

Making employees come to work without pay is "a real challenge" for them, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union."

Workers at agencies funded by fees, instead of by congressional appropriations, would continue their functions while still drawing a paycheck.

It so happens that applies to the very employees charged with putting in place the immigration programs at the heart of the political dispute.

Fees pay the salaries of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services workers who would process applications from immigrants eligible to work lawfully in the country under President Barack Obama's immigration policies. Even though Republicans are so determined to shut down Obama's program that some are willing to risk Homeland Security money to do it, it would stay up and running with little impact in the event of a shutdown.

So who would stop working in a shutdown? Mostly administrative staff, including support workers at headquarters and personnel who do training at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers, employees involved in research and development, and those responsible for operating and maintaining the E-Verify system that allows businesses to check the immigration status of new hires.

In addition, all personnel involved in administering grants would be furloughed, including Federal Emergency Management Agency workers who make grants to state and local governments, fire departments, and others to help them prepare for or respond to various threats and emergencies. That has led to pleas to Congress from the mayors, among others, to keep Homeland Security Department funding going.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/08/what-happens-if-homeland-security-shuts-down/?intcmp=latestnews

Theocrat
02-08-2015, 11:30 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/08/what-happens-if-homeland-security-shuts-down/?intcmp=latestnews


"There are ghoulish, grim predators out there who would love to kill us or do us harm," said Sen. Barbara Mikulski of Maryland, top Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Committee. "We should not be dillydallying and playing parliamentary pingpong with national security."

Irony.

Lucille
02-08-2015, 11:36 AM
I'd be dancing in the streets!

Related, the O Duce admin. is threatening sheriffs across the country:

https://www.facebook.com/SheriffJustinSmith


I received a very interesting veiled threat letter from Jeh Johnson, the Secretary of Homeland Security addressed to all police chiefs and sheriffs around the country.

His letter made it clear that if Congress didn’t send President Obama the DHS funding bill that he wanted (rubberstamping the president’s executive amnesty), local and state public safety agencies would not receive federal grants they were counting on because the president would veto the DHS funding bill.

Let me get this straight – the president believes he has the authority to nullify federal laws that don’t serve his personal agenda, but if Congress dares to exercise it’s responsibility of controlling the purse strings, he will willingly hold public safety grants hostage just to get his way?

Mr. President, you don’t have to love the Congress we elected, but you do have to respect their role as established under the Constitution -and Mr. Johnson, please show some integrity and stop with the threats. Sheriffs don’t take kindly to them.

DHS letter in full here:

https://www.facebook.com/SheriffJustinSmith/posts/766617760093402

acptulsa
02-08-2015, 11:58 AM
His letter made it clear that if Congress didn’t send President Obama the DHS funding bill that he wanted (rubberstamping the president’s executive amnesty), local and state public safety agencies would not receive federal grants they were counting on...

Well, there it is. If they shut down Homeland Security, we'll all be safer and more secure.

Makes perfect sense. At least, in this Orwellian world it does.

donnay
02-08-2015, 12:20 PM
I'd be dancing in the streets!

Related, the O Duce admin. is threatening sheriffs across the country:

https://www.facebook.com/SheriffJustinSmith



DHS letter in full here:

https://www.facebook.com/SheriffJustinSmith/posts/766617760093402


You and me, both!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc

Sola_Fide
02-08-2015, 12:25 PM
Same thing would happen if we got rid of the Department of Education. There would be no education.

Suzanimal
02-08-2015, 12:27 PM
Why do donnay and Lucille hate Safetyness(TM)? :)

tod evans
02-08-2015, 01:13 PM
What happens if Homeland Security shuts down?

There'd be hundreds of thousand of marauding tax-ticks looking for new ways to extract lucre from the citizenry...

DamianTV
02-08-2015, 08:54 PM
Same thing would happen if we got rid of the Department of Education. There would be no education.

Would parents with half a functional brain then not bother to take the responsibility unto themselves and teach their own kids? Or would they be flat out prohibited from homeschooling without a license?

ZENemy
02-08-2015, 09:00 PM
Brown shirts

Cabal
02-08-2015, 09:13 PM
What happens if Homeland Security shuts down?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmzuRXLzqKk

...Obviously. /s

Origanalist
02-08-2015, 09:17 PM
There'd be hundreds of thousand of marauding tax-ticks looking for new ways to extract lucre from the citizenry...

Good, let em' try.

DamianTV
02-08-2015, 09:30 PM
I dont think it is a matter of IF, but WHEN. Without financing, this will eventually collapse, and it is a cliff we are headed toward.

GunnyFreedom
02-08-2015, 11:27 PM
What happens if Homeland Security shuts down?

Satan is dealt a minor, if temporary defeat. :D

tangent4ronpaul
02-08-2015, 11:30 PM
You and me, both!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdvITn5cAVc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNw6J9g5ahw

-t

UWDude
02-09-2015, 02:59 AM
It'll be total anarchy. Terrorists will be lighting beheaded children on fire whiel throwing them in the churches they bombed out. Has everyone forgotten the horrible war zone America was before 2003, when the DHS was established?

mrsat_98
02-09-2015, 04:12 AM
What happens if Homeland Security shuts down?

It would be a damm good start.

Weston White
02-09-2015, 05:55 AM
This:


Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.

Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!

Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...

Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!

Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

tod evans
02-09-2015, 06:01 AM
Good, let em' try.

:D

enhanced_deficit
02-09-2015, 02:22 PM
Among others, this war hero will lose his job.


He is an employee of the Department of Homeland Security and continues to pay it forward by volunteering with many non profits.
http://coralspringstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/BrianMast-obama-333x250.jpg (http://coralspringstalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/BrianMast-obama.jpg)
Mast stands with First Lady Michelle Obama at the State of the Union address.

From: Soldier who stood with Michelle Obama at SOTU speech now serving in Israeli military (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468482-Soldier-who-stood-with-Michelle-Obama-at-SOTU-speech-now-serving-in-Israeli-military&)

Ronin Truth
02-09-2015, 03:28 PM
Probably just a lot of the same things that happened before there was a Homeland Security.