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devil21
02-07-2015, 04:28 PM
REAL ID is just another tinfoil conspiracy theory.

http://www.ktvn.com/story/27977913/the-real-i-d-option


Security for flying in this country is tightening up. And your driver's license just may be your ticket to boarding airplanes in the future. Sometime in 2016, the TSA will require you to show a security enhanced driver's license called a Real ID card or a passport to board flights.

"It is a choice," said David Fierro, Public Information Officer for the Department of Motor Vehicles. "It's not mandatory. It's a choice for secured identification. If you use a passport when you're traveling you don't have any problems. If you use your driver's license as identification, you'll need to either apply for the Real ID card or get a passport."

The Real ID has a white star with a gold circle around it in the right top corner of the ID; the regular driver's licenses will be stamped with "Not for Federal Official Use."

"That has caught some people by surprise when they get their licenses in the mail," Fierro said.

To get a Real ID you need to submit original documents proving your identification, your Social Security number and your residence. Usually a birth certificate, a power bill, and a Social Security card fulfill that. But you need to take them with you to the DMV when you apply.

eta: since it says REAL ID or passport, expect compliant id to have rfid chips in them.

Also a great revenue generator for state coffers.

MRK
02-07-2015, 11:19 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_passport

I think it's a sensible policy to implement internal passports. We can't let the Russians and Chinese stay ahead of us in that area forever.

devil21
02-08-2015, 02:58 AM
Ron: I didn't need a driver's license to come to Congress.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KvZRxXO27E

Slave Mentality
02-08-2015, 06:58 AM
FOX NEWS: Breeding statists since inception.

Lucille
02-10-2015, 02:03 PM
TSA Demands Internal Passport for Domestic Travel
http://wendymcelroy.com/news.php?extend.6336


BTW, this is the first is a series of articles I will be posting at TDV on a series of changes that the TSA is introducing/undergoing. 2015 will be a year of changes in how you cross U.S. borders -- both internal and external ones. My recommendation is that you cease to cross into the States at all if that is feasible. For those already within U.S. jurisdiction...the options differ.


Precedents exist for requiring citizens to produce special ID for domestic travel; they include Nazi Germany, apartheid South Africa and Russia (both Imperial and Soviet).
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An internal passport refers to an identity document that people must produce to move from place to place within national borders. It allows a government to monitor the movement of its own people and to control that movement by granting or denying ID. In the past, governments have used internal passports to isolate 'undesirables', to regulate economic opportunities, to reap personal data, to intimidate and command obedience, and to segregate categories of people (like Jews) for political purposes. It allows a government to bind anyone it chooses to his or her place of birth.
The upcoming Real ID requirement targets only air travel. But that's how it begins – with airports.

After people became numb to years of ID demands, questioning and searches at airports, those tactics spread to train stations and subways. Then highway check-points were established in areas that lay within 100 miles from an “external boundary,” including coasts. U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents now have the authority to stop a traveller if they have “reasonable suspicion” of an immigration violation or other crime. Although the agents do not currently have authority to demand ID from American citizens, they often do so.

The ACLU has repeatedly cautioned that “[i]n practice, Border Patrol agents routinely ignore or misunderstand the limits of their legal authority in the course of individual stops, resulting in violations of the constitutional rights of innocent people....These problems are compounded by...the consistent failure of CBP to hold agents accountable for abuse. Thus, although the 100-mile border zone is not literally 'Constitution free', the U.S. government frequently acts like it is.”
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The total control of movement always begins with airports. Real ID will be reality in the US by the end of the decade and, perhaps, long before. And it is not likely to be limited to air travel.
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This is nothing less than the federalization and standardization of all identifying documents throughout the United States. Those who are unable to document such niceties as their existence (that is, their birth) will become second class citizens. They will be unable to fly and excluded from entering into federal buildings, which may be necessary for them to obtain government permissions or fulfill legal requirements. Joining the ranks of the second-class will be the holders non-compliant licenses; these lack a white star and are stamped "Not for Federal Official Use" instead. "Not for Federal Official Use" holders will need a traditional passport or to apply for alternate DHS documentation if they wish to fly.

What To Expect

Many states and, so, many individuals will not make TSA's January 2016 deadline for Real ID. Some hope the humanitarian TSA will push back the deadline as it did last year. And a delay may happen...for logistical reasons. If it does, those who wish to escape a nation with internal passports may have another year to do so.

But the main hope of delaying Real ID is a confrontation between the federal and state governments. In 2012, the governor of Montana declared,

“Montana will not agree to share its citizens' personal and private information through a national database, nor bear the exorbitant cost [of] building such a database. Furthermore, the Act tramples on our state's right to determine our own licensing procedures and protocols, and would interfere with our state's work to improve drivers' license security. Montana is in no mood at all for another heavy-handed play by the federal government, such as what transpired in 2008 when the homeland security director threatened to prevent Montanans from boarding an airplane unless we complied with the REAL ID act. We refused, and will refuse again.”

Brave words. But Real ID is coming. When it arrives with both feet, Real ID will make it much more difficult for freedom-loving people to avoid the federal behemoth. Of course, that is its purpose. FATCA and related global measures gave the feds access to every cent that any American possessed in the world. Now Real ID wants to ensure that no American can avoid federal detection within domestic borders.

muh_roads
02-10-2015, 02:25 PM
How will this work for states like New Hampshire who have rejected Real ID?

Danke
02-10-2015, 02:59 PM
How will this work for states like New Hampshire who have rejected Real ID?

Get a passport.

Or:


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/07/11/exclusive-tsa-allowing-illegals-to-fly-without-verifiable-id-says-border-patrol-union/

MCALLEN, Texas–Illegal aliens are being allowed to fly on commercial airliners without valid identification, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC). “The aliens who are getting released on their own recognizance are being allowed to board and travel commercial airliners by simply showing their Notice to Appear forms,” NBPC’s Local 2455 Spokesman, Hector Garza, told Breitbart Texas.

“This is not the CBP [Customs and Border Protection] or another federal agency renting or leasing an aircraft, these are the same planes that the American public uses for domestic travel,” said Garza. “This just adds insult to injury. Not only are we releasing unknown illegal aliens onto American streets, but we are allowing them to travel commercially using paperwork that could easily be reproduced or manipulated on any home computer. The Notice to Appear form has no photo, anyone can make one and manipulate one. They do not have any security features, no watermark, nothing. They are simply printed on standard copy paper based on the information the illegal alien says is the truth.”

Spokesman Garza continued, “We do not know who these people are, we often have to solely rely on who they say they are, where they say they came from, and the history they say they have. We know nothing about most of them, ICE releases them into the American public, and now they are boarding aircraft at will with a simple paper document that anyone can easily alter or reproduce themselves.”

The shocking assertions by Garza were further validated by the national body of the NBPC. Breitbart Texas obtained an exclusive statement from the NBPC.

“The National Border Patrol Council adamantly opposes the decision of DHS to release the illegal aliens who have been transported from the Rio Grande Valley Border Patrol Sector to other locations for processing. The lack of consequences has furthered this crisis and will only continue to do so. The fact that TSA is accepting the I-862 (Notice to Appear) as a form of identification and allowing illegal aliens to travel commercially shows just how little regard the federal government has for its own immigration laws.”

Breitbart Texas also spoke with Shawn Moran, the vice president of the NBPC and he stated, “Why waste money and effort transporting people from the RGV if we are only going to release them with no real way to track them? Why are we allowing them to travel commercially using paperwork that could easily be reproduced or manipulated on any home computer.”

Spokesman Garza highlighted the significance of the NBPC’s assertions regarding security threats posed to the American public and stated, “The threat this poses from terrorists upon the American people is absolutely unacceptable. Central Americans are not the only people crossing our border and being released. Does anyone actually think that cartels and others criminal or possible terrorist organizations are not taking advantage of the fact that we are having to leave our border wide open while we reassigning the majority of our agents to process family units and minors? Of course this situation is being exploited by such threats.”

The concerns raised by the NBPC about possible security risks, especially in regards to the safety of commercial airliners, are reinforced by a 2012 United Nations (UN) report previously covered by this reporter. The UN Office on Drugs and Crime’s “Transnational Organized Crime in Central America and the Caribbean” revealed that individuals from the terror-prone Somalia were traveling to Central America in efforts to illegally enter the United States. The report states:

“Central Americans are not the only ones being smuggled through Mexico to the United States. Irregular migrants from the Horn of Africa (Eritrea, Somalia, and Ethiopia), as well as South Asia (Bangladesh, Nepal, India), China, and other African and Asian states are being smuggled through Central America.”

In light of the UN report, possible public safety risks posed by illegal aliens who claim to be from Central America flying unidentified and without effective documentation are further illuminated by a previous in-depth analysis of Somalia by the nonpartisan Council on Foreign Relations. They wrote on Somalia:

“Its porous borders mean that individuals can enter without visas, and once inside the country, enjoy an almost complete lack of law enforcement. Somalia has long served as a passageway from Africa to the Middle East based on its coastal location on the Horn of Africa, just a boat ride away from Yemen. These aspects make Somalia a desirable haven for transnational terrorists, something Al-Qaeda has tried to capitalize on before, and is trying again now.”

Breitbart Texas reached out to the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) for comment without receiving a response at the time of this article’s publication.

56ktarget
02-11-2015, 02:30 AM
Paulites have been showing this sort of nonsense for years. Not going to happen.

DamianTV
02-11-2015, 03:11 AM
Paulites have been showing this sort of nonsense for years. Not going to happen.

Right. Cuz GPS transmitters in every car never happened either.

Oh, and Watergate? Thats just a "Conspiracy Theory".
And Wood Grain Alcohol distributed by the State during Prohibition? Another "Conspiracy Theory".
Dont forget the Gulf of Tonkin incident and sinking of the Lusatania, yeah, those never happened either.
There are no Cameras in your TVs, except there are.
The NSA doesnt record every electronic message everywhere on the planet.
Vaccines are PERFECTLY safe and never contain Live Viruses
Schools are not Indoctrination Centers.
Homoland Security is not gonna check your Social Media posts before flying
The US never starts Proxy Wars by arming both sides
Bernie Madoff is an honest man who was victimized by the press

Keep diggin your hole dude, I cant even see you down at the bottom now!

Czolgosz
02-11-2015, 04:00 AM
Trial balloons. Once these cattle are acclimated, a reality.

The sheep deserve having their "authority" put an "ear tag" on 'em when they acquire their "birth certificate." Fvcking chimps.

nobody's_hero
02-11-2015, 06:23 AM
People didn't like the idea of a REAL ID so the feds gave an ultimatum to the states:

Implement certain features into your driver's license programs or else you get no highway funds.

So, unfortunately, the REAL ID is probably already implemented in your state (even New Hampshire). But, like 'Common core', instead of doing it at the federal level, they just make it painful for states not to implement it at the state level. It's useful for getting idiots to go along with stuff they might not support otherwise.

It's like me telling someone that I won't set fire to their house, but instead I'll hold a gun to their head and make them pour the gasoline, barricade the exits, and strike the match themselves. And somehow in the eyes of Joe Idiot Voter, that makes it okay.

Working Poor
02-11-2015, 07:30 AM
People will comply with this without batting an eye...