Claim: Libertarians love Elizabeth Warren

[GunnyFreedom]

Post on fedbook from a Republican ally claims that Libertarians love Elizabeth Warren. Please reply to poll, and discuss if you like.

[GunnyFreedom]

Thank you! I appreciate the responses! Having a link to point back to when/if someone raises this spurious and demonstratably charge is, I believe a good idea. When we get 10 responses I'll post the link over to the fedbook thread.

[William Tell]

Thank you! I appreciate the responses! Having a link to point back to when/if someone raises this spurious and demonstratably charge is, I believe a good idea. When we get 10 responses I'll post the link over to the fedbook thread.

NACBA hasn't voted yet.... :rolleyes:

[GunnyFreedom]

NACBA hasn't voted yet.... :rolleyes:

LOL there's always got to be one. :D

[GunnyFreedom]

I wouldn't have bothered with a poll, but when when I challenged the assertion on the basis of collectivism, he actually defended it. So I'm looking to post actual evidence backing my claim that his claim is all wet.

[Ronin Truth]

Yet once again, the GOP is clueless. Who'd they poll, the beltway Cato guys?

[AuH20]

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb0xteWYc41qbo3a3o1_500.jpg

[Occam's Banana]

[...] I'm looking to post actual evidence backing my claim that his claim is all wet.
"Well, obviously, the people who voted in your poll aren't really libertarians, then, since libertarians love Elizabeth Warren." ;)

[specsaregood]

FWIW, I voted "don't care" but I'm not a Libertarian, so I guess I shouldn't have voted. :( sorry about tainting the results.

[Ronin Truth]

"Well, obviously, the people who voted in your poll aren't really libertarians, then, since libertarians love Elizabeth Warren." ;)

Didn't it say 'Libertarians'? And no they aren't really.

[ctiger2]

Warren is a Nazi

[GunnyFreedom]

Big L little l, either way liberty is the antithesis of this horribly statist woman. She just happens to be a populist statist, and I guess libertarianism is often considered by some people as a "populist" position, never mind that it seems horribly unpopular most of the time...but statism is the dead opposite of liberty, populist or otherwise.

[Ronin Truth]

Big L little l, either way liberty is the antithesis of this horribly statist woman. She just happens to be a populist statist, and I guess libertarianism is often considered by some people as a "populist" position, never mind that it seems horribly unpopular most of the time...but statism is the dead opposite of liberty, populist or otherwise.


Little l doesn't really care since all statists tend to look and sound alike.

[Brian4Liberty]

Warren says things occasionally that are in "opposition" to crony corporatism and Wall St/Banker crimes. That can appeal to all different types of people. Of course she is a liar just like Obama, and it's nothing but empty rhetoric. Her solutions are nothing but more crony socialism and Marxism.

[rpfocus]

From a Libertarian: "Don't Care". Warren is just another empty pantsuit.

[Anti Federalist]

Fauxcohantas?

Love/Hate are pretty harsh choices, when I dismiss her as nothing but yet another big government statist.

Sure, Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich say the right things from time to time.

So does Mike Huckabee or Jeb Bush.

Doesn't change what any of them are, at heart, petty tyrants.

Voted "hate her" so as not to throw Gunny's poll.

[GunnyFreedom]

Fauxcohantas?

Love/Hate are pretty harsh choices, when I dismiss her as nothing but yet another big government statist.

Sure, Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich say the right things from time to time.

So does Mike Huckabee or Jeb Bush.

Doesn't change what any of them are, at heart, petty tyrants.

Voted "hate her" so as not to throw Gunny's poll.

I don't want people to put down answers that don't really represent them, just the 'closest' to what they actually believe. The choices were laid out like that because the claim was that "Libertarians love her." Which is just absurd, IMHO.

[The Gold Standard]

Love/Hate are pretty harsh choices, when I dismiss her as nothing but yet another big government statist.

This is true, but I hate all of them. Elizabeth Warren is a pig just like Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham and Jeb Bush and so on.

[enhanced_deficit]

She is an SWC.

Probably another Obama wanna be.

[acptulsa]

She is an SWC.

Can't be.

But she's a SPWC.

[GunnyFreedom]

LOL "Libertarians" sure do love them some Liz Warren eh? LMAO :rolleyes:

[69360]

hate

[NACBA]

NACBA hasn't voted yet.... :rolleyes:

I just did.

I love a lot of things about her, but do not agree with her on all issues.

[Working Poor]

LOL "Libertarians" sure do love them some Liz Warren eh? LMAO :rolleyes:

Especially if she happens to suck in a certain way... I don't care one way or another about her and would likely vote against her.

[William Tell]

I just did.

I love a lot of things about her, but do not agree with her on all issues.

Love hurts, negged.

[NACBA]

Love hurts, negged.

Typical Intolerant Libertarianism at work :p

[devil21]

Why would libertarians love her? What is the basis for even making that claim?

[Tywysog Cymru]

Warren sometimes gets things right, but even Obama sometimes gets things right. And it's not like she's the next Dennis Kucinich, who on many issues could be relied on to vote the right way, even if he was wrong on everything else.

[William Tell]

Typical Intolerant Libertarianism at work :p

I can understand perhaps liking a few thing any politician says when campaigning, but I happen to know how she actually votes.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38&Itemid=828&nameid=W000817

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456731-Elizabeth-Warren-On-The-Record

[GunnyFreedom]

Why would libertarians love her? What is the basis for even making that claim?

Apparently he talked to a couple LP members who were activists for Sean Haugh, the beer-drinking LP candidate for Senate, and that couple of people said they liked Warren. That (in his mind) somehow translated into "Libertarians love Elizabeth Warren."

[kcchiefs6465]

I don't hate her.

She needs to get a real damn job though.

That and people who enjoy bossing people around, or who think themselves as wise enough to fully comprehend the intricacies and the variables of human behavior are the last sort of people I'd ever want to be around. Goddamned Rousseaus.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I understand liking a principled progressive; they're anti-war, against drug prohibition, against subsidy and against big banks (sometimes even anti-Fed). Justin Raimondo made a good argument explaining why he supported Ralph Nader a few elections ago, and Dennis Kucinich was more of a liberty-ally than 90% of neocons.

Elizabeth Warren on the other hand, isn't a principled progressive. She's too afraid to even come out for legalizing weed. I think a big chunk of her supporters among Democrats don't even actually know who she is or what she's about. I have lots of progressive friends who seem to think she's come out against the drug war, called for massive monetary reform, auditing the Fed, withdrawing all the troops, all sorts of BS she never did. Preogrssives just hear she's "one of us" from liberal blogs and just fill in the blanks, regardless of the truth.

[GunnyFreedom]

I understand liking a principled progressive; they're anti-war, against drug prohibition, against subsidy and against big banks (sometimes even anti-Fed). Justin Raimondo made a good argument explaining why he supported Ralph Nader a few elections ago, and Dennis Kucinich was more of a liberty-ally than 90% of neocons.

Elizabeth Warren on the other hand, isn't a principled progressive. She's too afraid to even come out for legalizing weed. I think a big chunk of her supporters among Democrats don't even actually know who she is or what she's about. I have lots of progressive friends who seem to think she's come out against the drug war, called for massive monetary reform, auditing the Fed, withdrawing all the troops, all sorts of BS she never did. Preogrssives just hear she's "one of us" from liberal blogs and just fill in the blanks, regardless of the truth.

A lot like how the GOP Establishment has some Tea Partiers convinced that some serious establishmentarians are actually Tea, I suppose.

[BuddyRey]

I have a very strong dislike for her, and here's why...because Elizabeth Warren talks about government exactly the same way that Mike Huckabee talks about Jesus. The difference being that Mike Huckabee's faith in Jesus - no matter how strong - can help or hurt nobody besides Mike Huckabee himself; yet history is rife with bloody reminders that one misguided idealogue's faith in government can spell death and destruction for millions.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

If she was in the vain of Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel, she'd be on my radar. But I honestly don't know enough about her to care.

[rg17]

Hate her! Socialist Nazi!

[Ronin Truth]

The opposite of BOTH love and hate is indifference.

[jkob]

worst kind of communist progressive

more pelosi than kucinich

[Dianne]

I had no place to vote ... There are some things about Warren that I do like. I do like her plans to break up the banksters, resulting in a break up of the Federal Reserve. I do like that Obama worked 24/7 to convince her to run against Hiltary the Hun and she wouldn't be swayed. I don't know nearly enough about her, but would like to know more .. She is very well spoken, well educated, very impressive. And I am registered as a Libertarian. I do not believe she is bought and paid for. There may be some political issues I do not agree with her; but I believe she is honest in her views and not tainted by Globalist interests. For this reason, I would consider voting for her. Other than Rand Paul, all other candidates are simple New Orleans whores.

Who cares that she mentioned she is an American Indian. I'm half American Indian ... Anyone born in the United States should have Indian blood in them.

[H. E. Panqui]

...unfortunately, i suspect replacing 'elizabeth warren' with 'ted cruz' would have yielded many more 'love him' votes...

...ime, sadly, 'liberty' :rolleyes: voters are as clueless as warren voters...

[thoughtomator]

Hate is too strong a word. She's just the latest in a long line of corporatist stooges pretending to be against them. Lenin described the phenomenon.

[Spikender]

...unfortunately, i suspect replacing 'elizabeth warren' with 'ted cruz' would have yielded many more 'love him' votes...

...ime, sadly, 'liberty' :rolleyes: voters are as clueless as warren voters...

Actually I have a feeling you would've had more "hate him" votes.

Guess one of us needs to start that poll to see who's money's on the right horse.

[Ronin Truth]

Folks can CLAIM anything.

[muh_roads]

She was against Audit the Fed. Have no interest in her.

[Okie RP fan]

I voted "Don't Care" because I simply don't.

I do think she's an imbecile and a typical self-hating nitwit (she's white as can be but tries to act Native American). Typical proggy, though. Nothing to like about them.
They tend to line with us on social issues not because they like liberty, but *usually* because they're so enamored with taking down religious dogma (I'm not going to argue about that, I'm just stating what I believe is many of their reasons for doing what they do).

[Carlybee]

Nope. She's a socialist.

[presence]

I like Warren. In many ways I think she's spot on with our problems. I think she's naive and foolish with her solutions; in essence she among those that believes regulation can win the arms race against regulatory capture. I disagree. But she's good people. I often cringe but I'll listen and nod at times; between pondering how I'd interject. I'd love for her to come to the side of liberty; she'd be a great ally if she saw the light.

She's among the principled liberals. I disagree wholeheartedly, but I can respect that she's rooted in a philosophy. In general I find the Grayson/Warren/Kucinich/Sanders liberal wing classier than the overtly crony liberal establishment Hillary/Kerry/Biden/Obama crowd.


I'll choose not to vote in the poll.


Warren isn’t wrong to complain that big business has too much influence over public policy.
But that influence isn’t the result of insufficient government intervention.
It’s the result of a government that is too massive and too willing to intrude in free markets.
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/12/what-elizabeth-warren-missed-in-her-big-bank-tirade/

(http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/12/what-elizabeth-warren-missed-in-her-big-bank-tirade/)