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enhanced_deficit
02-01-2015, 11:41 PM
Feel patriotic that 'Patriots' won today.

News from the past:

‘Patriots’ Owner’s Wife Says Her Sons Could Fight for Israel, Not U.S.

On her recent visit to the Jewish state, the Jerusalem Post asked Myra Kraft, a leader in American Jewish philanthropy to Israel and the wife of Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots, how she would feel about one of her four sons moving to Israel and joining the army.

I would go with him. I always wanted to live here. As for joining the army, over Vietnam, I would have had an issue,
because I didn’t believe in it. The same goes for the war in Iraq. I
don’t know why we’re there. I would hate to have one of my sons
fighting there. Iran’s the problem, not Iraq. But, as far as fighting
for Israel is concerned, there is no problem.

http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked


With ICC war crimes investigation looming, this would not be good for publicity if they did indeed send their sons to fight in Gaza after this news came out.

Mach
02-02-2015, 02:20 AM
Her sons are in line for billions of dollars in the future, they're not fighting in ANY war, gare-ohn-teed.

jmdrake
02-02-2015, 05:18 AM
If they want to go and fight for Israel or if they want to go and fight for Hamas it's none of my business. I wish that everyone that supported any foreign nation would do so directly and not manipulate the U.S. government to support that nation on their behalf.

alucard13mm
02-02-2015, 08:15 AM
It is bad for american to have blind patriotism to ones country... it is even worse to have blind patriotism to another country... weird.

enhanced_deficit
02-02-2015, 12:24 PM
Her sons are in line for billions of dollars in the future, they're not fighting in ANY war, gare-ohn-teed.

Perhaps, but he can still make time to pay tribute to other Americans' sons fighting and dying for Israel.
Even if Israel got convicted of war crimes after ICC investigation, it does by no means that watching NFL Patriots games is supporting war crimes. But does buying NFL tickets to watch Patriots game contributes to support for war crimes in Gaza and killing of Palestinian children or buying products advertized duruing game breaks, that is an open question given news below.

State Department condemns Israel's 'disgraceful' shelling of UN school in Gaza which leaves 10 deadIsrael bombed a school designated as a protected location for 3,000 displaced people in southern Gaza on Sunday
3 August 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714917/US-calls-Israeli-attack-UN-school-disgraceful.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714917/US-calls-Israeli-attack-UN-school-disgraceful.html#ixzz3QcBUGmC5)


Patriots Owner Robert Kraft Wrote A Letter To The Family Of A Fallen Soldier In Israel
Aug 5, 2014
New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft went out of his way to send a heartfelt letter the family of an American volunteer who’d fallen in Israel.
In a letter that was first tweeted by a reporter from the Jewish Journal, Kraft wrote:

He represents the consummate patriot and I am forever grateful for the sacrifices he made to keep our beloved Israel safe. His dedication and loyalty to Israel have not gone unnoticed and I am sure he has left behind a legacy of which you and your family can be proud.

http://elitedaily.com/sports/new-england-patriots-robert-craft-wrote-letter-family-fallen-soldier-israel/697376/


http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/robert-kraft-letter.jpg?w=477&h=648



http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/01/Brady-Kraft-e1422737131733.jpg
The Krafts took Brady to an IDF infantry base as well. Boston-born Netzach Yehuda battalion soldier Avi Sandler was in basic training in the Jordan Valley.



http://www.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/max-steinberg-tweet-pats.png

Caution Graphic images: 3 ISRAELI OCCUPYING FORCE FROM THE GOLANI BRIGADE COMMIT SUICIDE (http://planetinvestigations.com/2014/09/30/3-israeli-occupying-force-from-the-golani-brigade-commit-suicide-due-the-psychiatric-problems-from-killing-a-massive-amount-of-children-in-the-savage-attack-on-gaza/)

Israel's Ruthless Golani Brigade (http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2012/03/israels-ruthless-golani-brigade.html)

Amnesty International Accuses Israel of War Crimes
www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=15656
Nov 10, 2014 - Amnesty International has accused Israel of committing war crimes during ...a short artillery preparation, three IDF units, led by the Golani Brigade, ...



In case any patriot wondering on below question's answer:

Did Patriots owner write letter to family of any American soldier killed in mideast? (https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=robert+kraft+patriots+owner+letter+t o+american+soldier+family+)







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December 31, 2014

Three dead Israelis (http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-searing-hypocrisy-of-the-west/article6163918.ece)

dannno
02-02-2015, 01:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc

enhanced_deficit
02-03-2015, 12:49 PM
If they want to go and fight for Israel or if they want to go and fight for Hamas it's none of my business. I wish that everyone that supported any foreign nation would do so directly and not manipulate the U.S. government to support that nation on their behalf.

But if profits from NFL tickets/ads sales are being used directly by owners to support war crimes/oppression/killing of innocent, then does watching/playing that NFL game become immoral/unethical/"blood money" tainted?

That is one implied question that comes to mind after reading news reports.

AngryCanadian
02-03-2015, 01:02 PM
LOL then please let her sons denounce the American citizenship and leave to Israel then.

JK/SEA
02-03-2015, 01:56 PM
But if profits from NFL tickets/ads sales are being used directly by owners to support war crimes/oppression/killing of innocent, then does watching/playing that NFL game become immoral/unethical/"blood money" tainted?

That is one implied question that comes to mind after reading news reports.

so, taking that logic further, then one could make the argument that living in the U.S. as a taxpayer, you are in fact supporting un-constitutional military action across the planet.. Correct?...

and on and on and on...............

otherone
02-03-2015, 02:03 PM
https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608034543409956005&pid=15.1&P=0

JK/SEA
02-03-2015, 02:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zH-p9X6dls

Ender
02-03-2015, 03:11 PM
Feel patriotic that 'Patriots' won today.

News from the past:

‘Patriots’ Owner’s Wife Says Her Sons Could Fight for Israel, Not U.S.



On her recent visit to the Jewish state, the Jerusalem Post asked Myra Kraft, a leader in American Jewish philanthropy to Israel and the wife of Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots, how she would feel about one of her four sons moving to Israel and joining the army.

I would go with him. I always wanted to live here. As for joining the army, over Vietnam, I would have had an issue,
because I didn’t believe in it. The same goes for the war in Iraq. I
don’t know why we’re there. I would hate to have one of my sons
fighting there. Iran’s the problem, not Iraq. But, as far as fighting
for Israel is concerned, there is no problem.

http://mondoweiss.net/2008/03/the-jpost-asked


With ICC war crimes investigation looming, this would not be good for publicity if they did indeed send their sons to fight in Gaza after this news came out.

IRAN's the problem- riiiight.

thoughtomator
02-03-2015, 03:24 PM
Myra Kraft has been dead for almost 4 years (with the quote being 7 years old), rendering this thread merely the latest of a string of disingenuous excuses for the promotion of one person's peculiar obsession.

enhanced_deficit
02-03-2015, 07:40 PM
The OP states that it is news from the past and is as relevant today as it was 4 or 8 years ago as her legacy is very much alive and continues to play a role in mideast war mongering, war crimes, support of occupation by these so called "philonthropists".


IRAN's the problem- riiiight.

Patriots Charitable Foundation donates $200,000 in names of 2014 Myra Kraft Community MVP winners (New England Patriots)

The Myra and Robert Kraft Passport to Israel Program
http://www.cjp.org/our-work/israel-overseas/israel-teen-travel/the-myra-and-robert-kraft-passport-to-israel

The Kraft Group
Principal shareholdings

Carmel Container Systems, Ltd.

Based in Caesarea, Israel[5]


American-Israeli Paper Mills, Ltd.

Based in Hadera, Israel[6]


Ampal Enterprises, Ltd.

Based in Tel Aviv, Israel[6]





http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/robert-kraft-letter.jpg?w=477&h=648

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2015/01/Brady-Kraft-e1422737131733.jpg
The Krafts took Brady to an IDF infantry base as well. Boston-born Netzach Yehuda battalion soldier Avi Sandler was in basic training in the Jordan Valley.
http://scontent-b-atl.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/10533280_691490820929992_789001372_n.jpg



http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/52236409-visiting-new-england-patriots-owner-robert-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QLsGzo5luXKo%2BNP7uOYj6uolyR ZaLWBBhkWm%2Bc9FcjuG


http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/02/F110310FFGPO02.jpg

enhanced_deficit
02-07-2015, 12:56 AM
so, taking that logic further, then one could make the argument that living in the U.S. as a taxpayer, you are in fact supporting un-constitutional military action across the planet.. Correct?...

and on and on and on...............

Thought provoking Q. The clearer and more direct the connection between profits from any activity being used for funding deliberate, continuous pattern of oppressing others/war crimes, the more immoral/unethical it would be not raising a voice against it or worse supporting such activities.






https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608034543409956005&pid=15.1&P=0

No more football watching for me until it is clarified what is exact connection of NFL money profiteering with war crimes and oppression spreading movements.

libertygrl
02-07-2015, 11:53 AM
Uh... I think we ARE fighting for Israel - aren't we?? :rolleyes:

enhanced_deficit
02-08-2015, 12:45 AM
Uh... I think we ARE fighting for Israel - aren't we?? :rolleyes:

Have no idea for what exactly we have been fighting in mideast or for what really hundreds of thousands of christian/secular/other Americans have been killed/maimed/disabled in recent wars to liberate Islamic arabs in mideast.

But one thing seems clear that many US politicians have been fighting for Israel lobby money.

Christie calls for 'forceful' defense of Israel, says Obama not 'decisive' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456039-Christie-calls-for-forceful-defense-of-Israel-says-Obama-not-decisive&)
Michele Bachmann: If We Don’t Completely Support Israel, God Will Curse Us (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/michele-bachmann-if-we-dont-completely-support-israel-god-will-curse-us/)

libertygrl
02-08-2015, 11:05 AM
Have no idea for what exactly we have been fighting in mideast or for what really hundreds of thousands of christian/secular/other Americans have been killed/maimed/disabled in recent wars to liberate Islamic arabs in mideast.

But one thing seems clear that many US politicians have been fighting for Israel lobby money.

Christie calls for 'forceful' defense of Israel, says Obama not 'decisive' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?456039-Christie-calls-for-forceful-defense-of-Israel-says-Obama-not-decisive&)
Michele Bachmann: If We Don’t Completely Support Israel, God Will Curse Us (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/michele-bachmann-if-we-dont-completely-support-israel-god-will-curse-us/)

I posted this the other day but it didn't gain any traction. This may be the best opportunity for Americans to
let their representatives know exactly how they feel about AIPAC and the influence it has over
our country. This info should be forwarded to every liberty activist we know:

The following was posted on Naomi Wolf's FB page:

Via Peter Cohen: "Dear Naomi, It would be great if you could share this... Thanks," -

Humanity for Palestine, Code Pink, Jewish Voice for Peace, If Americans Knew, Jews for a Just Peace for Palestinian, Boycott from Within and other human rights organizations are joining forces for a 4-day series of events in DC, from February 28th to March 3rd, to protest the AIPAC annual meeting and Netanyahu's speech to Congress.


Let's tell Congress AIPAC doesn't represent us. Please: * Share our event info widely, starting with this meme (please share from the Humanity for Palestine Facebook Community Page) * Participate in our weekly Media Storms * Join our team and help with the organization * Donate to help cover our expenses (no amount is too small) * JOIN US IN DC!

https://www.facebook.com/naomi.wolf.author

http://www.humanityforpalestine.org/time-to-shut-down-aipac-stop-the-blank-check-for-israel/aipac-twitter2//

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/

http://jfjfp.com/

http://boycottisrael.info/

http://www.stoptheblankcheck.org/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSp-oIOhq00

enhanced_deficit
02-08-2015, 01:44 PM
Very informative info LG. Naomi Wolf has been raising very good questions.
Most of Congress and especially Senate are often drooling for AIPAC lobbies dollars. But good news is that younger generation supports freedom for Palestinians overwhemingly now, older generation will either slowly come to side of freedom too or move on to eternal situation still supporting occupation/oppression and answer the tough questions there.

"The problem is that Moore ' law is kicking in. Before the summer 50 percent of college students supported israel, today less the 25 percent do."

The Natalie Portman-Ryan Seacrest Gaza Strip Reply-All Chain from Hell (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?463969-Guardians-of-Peace-hacks-Hollywood-movies&p=5738309&viewfull=1#post5738309)