AngryCanadian
01-31-2015, 01:04 PM
I have being debating a while back with idiots. Even on Ukraine somehow for some of them they feel its an important issue while the majority of Americans dont even care on a site.
When i posted about the NGOs and their roles starting the protests in countries that America sees as enemies or doesn't like and providing training for the protest leaders here's what some said.
But what they do? keep blaming Putin for everything. Hilarious.
On NGOs.
Please provide a list of NGOs and a detailed explanation of their activities. Link to sources, please.
In case you had not noticed, Ukraine is at war. Their enemy is supplying intelligence and weapons to the separatists; of course Kyiv has requested assistance from the West.
I' not the one who has to prove anything. If you want someone to believe that something is really a CI front, provide some evidence. Saying that the NGOs were engaged in espionage proves that the US was behind the uprising, and that the uprising proves that the NGOs were engaged in espionage is circular reasoning.
In the meantime, Russia has acquired New real estate and Putin is being worshipped as the second coming of Peter the Great!
On Ukraine.
Speaking of denial and mental issues..
There was no coup...
Constantly repeating it does not make it true. Russia recognizing the government also undermines that lie from the kremlin.
As for the same 5 people the same can be applied in reverse, pushing the same Russian propaganda lie while offering nothing to support it. We see this by the very comment made by one of the Russian propagandists on this site making claims about taking Crimea from the US.
About the NGOs again.
No, anyone who thinks NGO groups are intended to undermine foreign governments is a victim of Russian propaganda.
If a government feels threatened by an a non-profit organization that teaches people how to use modern technology, it desperately needs to assist its citizens in learning about that technology itself. Might an American or European NGO convince people to favor American or European products? Probably, but other nations are welcome to do the same thing. Since Russia has little to offer in terms of technology, the only way they could maintain their market share was by force.
the only coup that occurred was in Crimea and the South and East of Ukraine when pro Russian / Russians seized those Ukrainian regions.
I see you are also once again pushing the Crimea as a US asset. I also see you have been incapable of supporting that lie. Why don't you try anyways.
This part was hilarious.
Historically speaking Turkey holds more right towards Crimea than the US / EU and Russia. Secondly its Ukrainian territory and ignoring that fact does not make your case.
Its in Ukraine's yard so Russia needs to just stick to their yard.
But yet America and NATO can freely do whatever they want in Russia's own backyard? where is the logic in that pattern of thought? this same person also claimed the following on the EU.
The EU is not projected t have an economy shrink by 5%.
There are more sanction's coming down the road for Russia.
Belarus is talking about bolting from the newly created and soon to fail EEU.
Apparently you need to keep up with current events.
Are Some Americans this easily brainwashed? why are some fixated hating Russia so much? or the fact there love for the EU while the Europeans want to get frack out of it?
When i posted about the NGOs and their roles starting the protests in countries that America sees as enemies or doesn't like and providing training for the protest leaders here's what some said.
But what they do? keep blaming Putin for everything. Hilarious.
On NGOs.
Please provide a list of NGOs and a detailed explanation of their activities. Link to sources, please.
In case you had not noticed, Ukraine is at war. Their enemy is supplying intelligence and weapons to the separatists; of course Kyiv has requested assistance from the West.
I' not the one who has to prove anything. If you want someone to believe that something is really a CI front, provide some evidence. Saying that the NGOs were engaged in espionage proves that the US was behind the uprising, and that the uprising proves that the NGOs were engaged in espionage is circular reasoning.
In the meantime, Russia has acquired New real estate and Putin is being worshipped as the second coming of Peter the Great!
On Ukraine.
Speaking of denial and mental issues..
There was no coup...
Constantly repeating it does not make it true. Russia recognizing the government also undermines that lie from the kremlin.
As for the same 5 people the same can be applied in reverse, pushing the same Russian propaganda lie while offering nothing to support it. We see this by the very comment made by one of the Russian propagandists on this site making claims about taking Crimea from the US.
About the NGOs again.
No, anyone who thinks NGO groups are intended to undermine foreign governments is a victim of Russian propaganda.
If a government feels threatened by an a non-profit organization that teaches people how to use modern technology, it desperately needs to assist its citizens in learning about that technology itself. Might an American or European NGO convince people to favor American or European products? Probably, but other nations are welcome to do the same thing. Since Russia has little to offer in terms of technology, the only way they could maintain their market share was by force.
the only coup that occurred was in Crimea and the South and East of Ukraine when pro Russian / Russians seized those Ukrainian regions.
I see you are also once again pushing the Crimea as a US asset. I also see you have been incapable of supporting that lie. Why don't you try anyways.
This part was hilarious.
Historically speaking Turkey holds more right towards Crimea than the US / EU and Russia. Secondly its Ukrainian territory and ignoring that fact does not make your case.
Its in Ukraine's yard so Russia needs to just stick to their yard.
But yet America and NATO can freely do whatever they want in Russia's own backyard? where is the logic in that pattern of thought? this same person also claimed the following on the EU.
The EU is not projected t have an economy shrink by 5%.
There are more sanction's coming down the road for Russia.
Belarus is talking about bolting from the newly created and soon to fail EEU.
Apparently you need to keep up with current events.
Are Some Americans this easily brainwashed? why are some fixated hating Russia so much? or the fact there love for the EU while the Europeans want to get frack out of it?