"If You Question Authority, You Are Mentally Ill", Report Finds

[DamianTV]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-21/if-you-question-authority-you-are-mentally-ill-report-finds


Only the Sheeple Are Sane

This post is about an issue that is by now a bit dated (though the topic as such certainly isn’t), but we have only just become aware of it and it seemed to us worth rescuing it from the memory hole. In late 2013, the then newest issue of the American Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM for short) defined a new mental illness, the so-called “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD.

As TheMindUnleashed.org informs us, the definition of this new mental illness essentially amounts to declaring any non-conformity and questioning of authority as a form of insanity. According to the manual, ODD is defined as:

[…] an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance, argumentativeness, and being easily annoyed.

...

So lets talk about the DSM. The DSM is basically the Diagnosis Standard Model of Mental Health.

There is ZERO MEDICAL EVIDENCE to support any of the "mental conditions" listed in the DSM. They VOTE on what conditions they think are real and what conditions they dont think are real. They dont do studies, they DO get paid in Bribes from Big Pharma. They have zero evidence to support their made up bullshit for EVERY condition they diagnose, yet, they use this as an instruction manual for you to pop a bunch of pills at everyone elses expense.

There is a very serious case of Mental Illness in this country, but it is not with the people, it is with the Mental Health portion of the Medical Profession, and it is very very sick.

[tangent4ronpaul]

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[CaptUSA]

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[Working Poor]

What can be done about this? If someone tries to push against it wouldn't lead to being diagnosed ODD?

[Philhelm]

I recall reading some statistic that stated approximately 25% of women in the U.S. are on some sort of psychiatric drug. This is really alarming, since the other 75% of women are going untreated.

[otherone]

Whatever happened w/ that teacher who was institutionalized for writing a book about a school shooting?

[acptulsa]

So, this is a democratic republic, which means it's the duty of the citizenry to oversee the elected, question their actions and their motives, and fire the ones who need to be fired and replace them.

Now we find out that any citizen who does his duty in this democratic republic is mentally ill.

As if Frasier wasn't proof enough that the least sane segment of this society is the psychiatric profession.

[osan]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-21/if-you-question-authority-you-are-mentally-ill-report-finds



So lets talk about the DSM. The DSM is basically the Diagnosis Standard Model of Mental Health.

The bolded text should be all anyone with so much as a sliver of intellect needs to realize that the DSM is worse than useless - it is DANGEROUS. Why? Because it asserts quite explicitly that there exist "right" and "wrong" mental states. If you cannot see the danger there, then all I can do is pity your blindness.


There is ZERO MEDICAL EVIDENCE to support any of the "mental conditions" listed in the DSM. They VOTE on what conditions they think are real and what conditions they dont think are real. They dont do studies, they DO get paid in Bribes from Big Pharma. They have zero evidence to support their made up bullshit for EVERY condition they diagnose, yet, they use this as an instruction manual for you to pop a bunch of pills at everyone elses expense.


I was unaware of the "voting" procedure, but if true, then the document is even more wildly dangerous than I had heretofore imagined.

I must once again lapse into my broken-record mode and point out that which ought not need it: The DSM is now used in PRECISELY the same ways that the Soviet equivalent body of "scientific findings" were in their rotten Union to clip dissidence. The Soviets were absolutely NOTORIOUS for imprisoning those meeting with their disapproval and disdain in mental hospitals where they were used as human experimental subjects for all manner of "therapies". I remember this clearly from my youth and younger adulthood. The US government shrieked this message to all corners, alerting the "free world" to the dangers of those atrocities the filthy Soviets committed against their own.

The will to forget and to a general state of ignorance that is now evident in this nation is a frightful thing. How could anyone with an IQ even one point into the double-digits and possessing the least shred of human decency and self-respect bear witness to what is happening here and not see that it is a carbon-copy of what the Soviets did to their own? The Chinese are no innocent there, either, what with their "reeducation" facilities where the "mentally ill" are "treated".

Fuck's sake Americans... what does it take?

[osan]

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Which one of you assenholes hacked my HIPPA files?

[aGameOfThrones]

Psikhushka

[Spikender]

I always knew I was mentally ill. I first found out when my first grade teacher told me to sit down and I asked her "What authority do you have to make me sit?"

Oh well, guess I'll hit up CVS and see what kind of pills I can gobble down.

[osan]

So, this is a democratic constitutionally limited republic, which means it's the duty of the citizenry to oversee the elected, question their actions and their motives, and fire the ones who need to be fired and replace them.

1. Fixed that fer'y

2. Oversight be WAAAAAAYYYYY too much work for the Meaner, which is why he repudiates his responsibilities and surrenders his rights in toto to those in whom he trusts. Yes, Joey and Janey Meaner are the biggest assholes on the planet. Way bigger than the Chinese, Euros, Russkies, Ozzies, and so forth because we were set almost free 224 years ago and had ZERO excuse for our failure to take that bull by the balls and make it go where WE wanted it to go. But no; we let the bull do the driving and now we have a pair of horns up out American ass, about to be rocket-launched into low orbit. Fuck us all and fuck the "greatest generation" and all of our forebears who did not fight the right fight - who failed to eliminate those who threatened their God-gifted rights, because that is exactly what they should have done, without hesitation, without pity, without compunction.

So here we stand, seemingly about to be taught who is really the boss, once and perhaps for all. If and when they let set that bitch upon us, we may all live to rue the day the Framers loosed the notions of natural freedom upon a world wholly unprepared for it. I don't know where we first went wrong - wherein the flaw rested - but I personally regret that the American people have not kept the faith, on the whole.

[Ronin Truth]

I question the authority of the authors of that report. :p

[pcosmar]

Psikhushka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

And not to be left out,,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry#United_States

[jllundqu]

Interesting.... The DSM was originally created by the Government, not the medical establishment:


The Need for Classification

The origins of the DSM date back to 1840 — when the government wanted to collect data on mental illness. The term “idiocy/insanity” appeared in that year’s census.

Forty years later, the census expanded to feature these seven categories: “mania, melancholia, monomania, paresis, dementia, dipsomania and epilepsy.”

But there was still a need to gather uniform stats across mental hospitals. In 1917, the Bureau of the Census embraced a publication called the Statistical Manual for the Use of Institutions for the Insane. It was created by the Committee on Statistics of the American Medico-Psychological Association (now the American Psychiatric Association) and the National Commission on Mental Hygiene. The committees separated mental illness into 22 groups. The manual went through 10 editions until 1942.


DSM-I is Born



http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/07/02/how-the-dsm-developed-what-you-might-not-know/

[Slave Mentality]

I am crazyer than a mother fucker then.

[pcosmar]

I am crazyer than a mother fucker then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ecE1UML1q8

[moostraks]

Ya know for 5 years or so I have randomly pondered the run in I had with social services and their pseudo science tests. After having earnestly answered their battery of tests thinking honesty the best policy, I was informed by their psychiatrist that my results indicated I lied on the tests. This has eaten at me for years because I knew damn good and well I did NOT lie on their tests. My spouse has done everything possible to try to convince me that the results were predetermined by the leading of the state which paid the large portion of funding this office received for operating. I have tried to accept this answer but there has always been a missing piece that did not fit for how a psychiatrist could do such a thing, I mean they went to school to help people, right?

So pondering this recently, I had a curious thought. I remember one of the tests I did with an assistant who was bemused with a particular test I had taken with her where I had gone a good ways further than most people go on and she remarked about that fact. Now, I also made sure I had answered the questions as accurately as possible considering a number of the questions are rewritten within the tests which changes the tone of what is being asked. They tell you to go with your gut when answer the question and answer with your first instinct. However, if you understand the tone of a word change you may be likely to fail the liars questions based on the fact that the question is leading and the nuance of the change inclines you to lean one way or the other. Still something was still missing with the connection between this and my dh's efforts to console me.

Well, since these tests factor into an opinion rendered by an individual who comes from heir own biases, you have to wonder how much overt and even more frustrating is the subliminal misperceptions being put forth as facts. I have long agreed this individual operated from a confirmation bias and it was in their best interest to have findings which support the state's position but how could they render an opinion which was so fallacious because I KNOW what was being said was wrong and from the liars questions the entire rest of the opinion followed. Yet, how could a "professional" be so wrong? Well, they comfort themselves with going by statistical and the "norms". For those outside of the norms it just sucks to be you and besides, how often will the individual psychiatrist run into that problem?

So this "doctor" played the odds and figured it would all work out in the wash. I would either prove the diagnosis accurate because it was, I would prove the diagnosis accurate because I would be so frustrated with its inaccuracy I would react in a manner to substantiate it, or on the smallest probability of options, was the potential that I would prove his diagnosis wrong, but the year of "service" will have timed out and the state gets custody by default. So it was not in his own self interest to buck the system and he could comfort himself that being outside the norm, even though his assistant recognized some measure of this, was unlikely and not worthy of consideration. (This isn't to say I fancy myself to have a superior intellect but that I was testing outside the norms of the experience of this particular office)

All of this brings me to this portion of the op article which struck a chord with me today:

I have found that most psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals are not only extraordinarily compliant with authorities but also unaware of the magnitude of their obedience. And it also has become clear to me that the anti-authoritarianism of their patients creates enormous anxiety for these professionals, and their anxiety fuels diagnoses and treatments.

These "doctors" operate with a superiority complex and have a blind spot for their own weaknesses. They operate in order to inflict a false compliance of normality based upon a preconceived notion of standards. They likely are so enamored with their own profession that they are clueless as to the harm they are inflicting upon those who they falsely accuse of whatever popular diagnosis gives them the best reward. Yet, to argue with them about the veracity of their profession and/or diagnosis is to leave oneself open to being guilty of whatever pet name they can ascribe to the critic to make your critical opinion a psychosis. It is completely infuriating. It is also completely infuriating to be accused of lying and told that based upon such lies they are claiming you have committed you are guilty of a disorder of some sort. The only saving grace is that time eventually proved the bastard wrong. Cold comfort I suppose. I feel sorry for other folks that have had my same experience with the mental health field...

[acptulsa]

moos, may I suggest my own One Step Program?

Step one: Consider carefully and dispassionately what it is that you are taking seriously...


https://youtube.com/watch?v=HXDucqWjB_M

[ZENemy]

God damn I wish people could wake up.

Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union


During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used as a tool to eliminate political opponents ("dissidents") who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted official dogma.[4] The term "philosophical intoxication" was widely used to diagnose mental disorders in cases where people disagreed with leaders and made them the target of criticism that used the writings by Karl Marx,


BTW, the "right" person was not voted into the USSR, it imploded and cannibalism ensued.

lets finally be that one society that saw this coming and stopped it?

[muh_roads]

<-------- Proud to have OCD for Liberty...

[GunnyFreedom]

God damn{1} I wish people{2} could wake up.{3}

{4} Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union


During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used as a tool to eliminate political opponents ("dissidents") who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted official dogma.[4] The term "philosophical intoxication" was widely used to diagnose mental disorders in cases where people disagreed with leaders and made them the target of criticism that used the writings by Karl Marx,


BTW, the "right" person was not voted into the USSR, it imploded and cannibalism ensued.{5}

lets finally be that one society that saw this coming and stopped it?


Signs and symptoms[edit] (WIKI - Oppositional Defiant Disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms))

Previously, DSM-IV-TR (that is now replaced by DSM-5) stated that the child must exhibit four out of the eight signs and symptoms listed below in order to meet the diagnostic threshold for oppositional defiant disorder.[3] Furthermore, they must be perpetuated for longer than six months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis.[4][5]

Actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules.[6]{4}

Performs actions deliberately to annoy others.[6]{1}

Angry and resentful of others.[5]{2}

Argues often.[5]{5}

Blames others for their own mistakes.[7]

Frequently loses temper.[7]{3}

Spiteful or seeks revenge.[7]

Touchy or easily annoyed.[7]

These patterns of behavior result in impairment at school and/or other social venues.[5]

Common features of oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) include excessive, often persistent anger, frequent temper tantrums or angry outbursts, as well as disrespect of authority. Children and adolescents with ODD often purposely annoy others, blame others for their own mistakes, and are easily disrupted. Parents often observe more rigid and irritable behaviors than in siblings.[8] In addition, these young people may appear resentful of others, and when someone does something they don't like they prefer revenge over more sensitive solutions.[9]

For a child or adolescent to qualify for a diagnosis of ODD, these behaviors must cause considerable distress for the family or interfere significantly with academic or social functioning. Interference might take the form of preventing the child or adolescent from learning at school or making friends, or placing him or her in harmful situations. These behaviors must also persist for at least six months. Effects of ODD can be greatly amplified by other disorders in comorbidity such as ADHD.[10] Other common comorbid disorders include depression and substance use disorders.[11]

BZZZZZT! Lock 'im up! Drug 'im up! Throw away the key until you shut 'im up!

[ZENemy]

BZZZZZT! Lock 'im up! Drug 'im up! Throw away the key until you shut 'im up!

lol!! that was good!!

[thoughtomator]

Actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules.[6]{4}

Performs actions deliberately to annoy others.[6]{1}

Angry and resentful of others.[5]{2}

Argues often.[5]{5}

Blames others for their own mistakes.[7]

Frequently loses temper.[7]{3}

Spiteful or seeks revenge.[7]

Touchy or easily annoyed.[7]

If that doesn't describe Obama and his man-child of a wife to a "T", I don't know what does!

[moostraks]

moos, may I suggest my own One Step Program?

Step one: Consider carefully and dispassionately what it is that you are taking seriously...


https://youtube.com/watch?v=HXDucqWjB_M

Lol! Indeed. It really used to bother me, and not just for myself but because I knew if they did it to me then how many other people were swallowing their line of crap because the "doctors" are supposed to be professionals? It was only just recently that the thought rolled around again in the manner of a puzzle I never fully resolved and I was finally emotionally disconnected enough to come to a conclusion that is at least supported by someone other than myself regarding the disorder of the so called professionals of which they may or may not be aware of themselves. It is definitely a tool used by government to enforce compliance and not just in the so called foreign oppressive governments but our very own government as well.

[Anti Federalist]

Psikhushka


Psikhushka (Russian: психушка; [pʲsʲɪˈxuʂkə]) is a Russian ironic diminutive for psychiatric hospital.[2] In Russia, the word entered everyday vocabulary.[3] It has been occasionally used in English since the Soviet dissident movement and diaspora community the West used the term. In the Soviet Union, psychiatric hospitals were often used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally; as such they were considered a form of torture.[4] The official explanation was that no sane person would be against socialism

///

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck's sake Americans... what does it take?

More than what we have at our disposal.

Waiting for them to "get it" is a losing proposition.

[acptulsa]

The official explanation was that no sane person would be against socialism

Still is, too. Though they don't use the S-word--yet--for fear of awakening the senior citizens.

[pcosmar]

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Everyone points to the USSR.

But the US is right up there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry#United_States

http://warincontext.org/2013/05/12/abuse-of-psychiatry-in-the-u-s-far-more-extensive-than-occured-in-the-soviet-union/

[DamianTV]

What can be done about this? If someone tries to push against it wouldn't lead to being diagnosed ODD?

The Truth shall set you free.

Once more people become completely aware that a bunch of bought off shrinks have been paid to VOTE on what gets thrown into the next edition, people realize the Truth that the DSM is in and of itself, the Lie. It will lose its credibility and people will begin to spread the idea that it has no credibility. Monopoloy on Belief isnt just limited to believing that Govt Authority is valid, but everything else that is used to garner more and more power. This is a part of that Monopoloy on Belief, just as the MSM is there to validate the endless wars and do everything they can to keep people from thinking. Thus, it is our job to make sure people Think for themselves.

[HVACTech]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU3UfgWDkPU&x-yt-ts=1421828030&x-yt-cl=84411374&feature=player_detailpage

[surf]

insanity? well, my friends and family will be happy to finally have their beliefs verified

[HOLLYWOOD]

Let's call this public work for what it's true objective means, 'Ideological Subversion' AKA 'Active Measures'


Though I like the pic from the article...
http://kwout.com/cutout/u/jv/6d/c36_bor.jpg

[Occam's Banana]

Though I like the pic from the article...
http://kwout.com/cutout/u/jv/6d/c36_bor.jpg

Nuh-uh! Obviously, the colors should be reversed! (Or is that just my ODD coming through ... ?)

[Ronin Truth]

"Normal is the average insanity of the mass." -- R.D. Laing

[DamianTV]

Nuh-uh! Obviously, the colors should be reversed! (Or is that just my ODD coming through ... ?)

Sheesh, not how it works! You gotta come up with a totally brand NEW syndrome, then we'll all vote on it! Maybe you have Color Dyslexia? Or should we call it something else? :P

Gotta be careful tho cuz dont want to prescribe you teh wrong drug and make you go psycho and shoot up a mall or something like so many others on those SSRIs have all done...

[Carson]

Sounds a lot like they are questioning our authority.

[BUSHLIED]

Depression is quite real.

That I am sure we can all agree on.

Also not all clinicians subscribe 100% to the use of the DSM.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Depression is quite real.

That I am sure we can all agree on.

Also not all clinicians subscribe 100% to the use of the DSM.
Depression is real and so is sociopathy and narcissism. I don't think psychiatric drugs are the answer to depression though, having dealt with it myself and largely rid myself of it without any chemical help.

There's mountains of bullshit in the DSM, but personality disorders do exist. Once you deal with a sociopath it becomes clear that truly antisocial personalities are real, very problematic and there's no real way to treat them.

[DamianTV]

Depression is real and so is sociopathy and narcissism. I don't think psychiatric drugs are the answer to depression though, having dealt with it myself and largely rid myself of it without any chemical help.

There's mountains of bullshit in the DSM, but personality disorders do exist. Once you deal with a sociopath it becomes clear that truly antisocial personalities are real, very problematic and there's no real way to treat them.

One thing that can be done to prevent the sickness of society from getting worse is to quit putting people with these conditions into high positions of power.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

One thing that can be done to prevent the sickness of society from getting worse is to quit putting people with these conditions into high positions of power.
In a democratic society, it may be almost impossible to keep sociopaths from winning elections, though. They have no honor, are totally willing to enforce status-quo narratives when it suits them, then take risks when there's an advantage. They're adept at seeming normal and having a shallow sort of charm; the exact kind of charm that appeals to the ignorant masses when it comes to picking a leader. As Hoppe has pointed out, the economic incentives of democratically elected politicians is to get in, plunder as much as they can while they're there, then get out. Very tempting for a sociopath.

[BUSHLIED]

Depression is real and so is sociopathy and narcissism. I don't think psychiatric drugs are the answer to depression though, having dealt with it myself and largely rid myself of it without any chemical help.

There's mountains of bullshit in the DSM, but personality disorders do exist. Once you deal with a sociopath it becomes clear that truly antisocial personalities are real, very problematic and there's no real way to treat them.

There are ways of "treating" them, it's just that it's (1) often after they have committed a crime and (2) it's rather costly and lengthy to do so.

Also, Depression often resolves itself over time without treatment. Its the old adage that time has a way of healing emotional wounds.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There are ways of "treating" them, it's just that it's (1) often after they have committed a crime and (2) it's rather costly and lengthy to do so.

Also, Depression often resolves itself over time without treatment. Its the old adage that time has a way of healing emotional wounds.
The studies I've seen show that sociopaths who receive treatment use it to be able to appear more normal, but that they don't actually improve. They are still incapable of feeling empathy, and have no qualms with totally fucking someone over if its to their advantage. From what I've read, treatment makes sociopaths more dangerous because they become harder to detect due to their "mask of sanity" becoming more sophisticated with therapy.

My depression wasn't from an emotional wound, it was just a state of hopelessness that, when I was in it, felt like it would never end. Me taking action as an individual to change my life is what rid me of it. Maybe I would've gotten over it in time had I done nothing, but I know that at the very least, my actions sped things up considerably.

[Carson]

One thing that can be done to prevent the sickness of society from getting worse is to quit putting people with these conditions into high positions of power.

Kind of a chicken or egg first sort of thing. The selling out and getting wrapped up in the corruption can take its toll on a persons well being?

Kind of like a Dung Beetle passing of a ball of dung to the next guy in line. The shits got to be rubbing off.

[limequat]

People use "Crazy" to stigmatize what they don't understand.

It makes total sense that "they" think "we" are completely, maniacally crazy. If "they" understood us, they would be part of us.

[LibForestPaul]

The Soviets were absolutely NOTORIOUS for imprisoning those meeting with their disapproval and disdain in mental hospitals where they were used as human experimental subjects for all manner of "therapies".
Fuck's sake Americans... what does it take?

1. To understand there is no such thing as an American.
2. To understand there are many people who have no qualms about sacrificing others for their own pensions, unions, kickbacks, bribes, patronage, licensing, etc...

[limequat]

I live near a now defunct state psychiatric hospital. People were put there for all manner of bad reasons, such as being poor. There, people were forcibly sterilized, subject to hitler-esque eugenics programs, and experimented on. For a 200 inmate population, there a was an on-site 9 person morgue. Do the math on that.

The good news is that we've past the worst of it. Most of the eugenics programs are shut down and we better understand true mental illness.

[Ronin Truth]

It’s Official: If You Question Authority, You Are Mentally Ill (http://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/01/no_author/do-you-question-powere280a8/)

[GunnyFreedom]

I live near a now defunct state psychiatric hospital. People were put there for all manner of bad reasons, such as being poor. There, people were forcibly sterilized, subject to hitler-esque eugenics programs, and experimented on. For a 200 inmate population, there a was an on-site 9 person morgue. Do the math on that.

The good news is that we've past the worst of it. Most of the eugenics programs are shut down and we better understand true mental illness.

NC was (I believe) the last state to 'officially' shutter the eugenics program in 1973. :(

[moostraks]

The good news is that we've past the worst of it. Most of the eugenics programs are shut down and we better understand true mental illness.

Ya think? I don't. (Hmm, that sounds harsher than I intended am just meaning I disagree with your assessment) I see them mainstreaming chemically lobotomizing everyone. When you disagree with the treatment then those in "authority" will gently inform you that all of them take the drugs and your concerns are indicative of the necessity of the medication. I don't say this from a place of paranoia and supposition but real life experience. As for eugenics, seems to me it is less directed at the marginalized "idiots" of former years but at the larger portion of society that isn't in the club the movers and shakers happen to enjoy.

[idiom]

Meh, Most of Christianity recognizes that the devils salient characteristic was rebellion against authority. Submission to authority is a key characteristic of most religions.

The DSM is so me-too.

[acptulsa]

Meh, Most of Christianity recognizes that the devils salient characteristic was rebellion against authority. Submission to authority is a key characteristic of most religions.

Oh? Then why does the devil spend most of the Book of Job asking God for permission to do stuff?

And why does Jesus spend half the Gospels pissing off Pharisees?

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh? Then why does the devil spend most of the Book of Job asking God for permission to do stuff?

And why does Jesus spend half the Gospels pissing off Pharisees?

Most people who are not eyeball-deep in Christ, have an extremely distorted view of what that actually means, only seeing it from the outside, and really only perceiving the corrupt ones.

[acptulsa]

Most people who are not eyeball-deep in Christ, have an extremely distorted view of what that actually means, only seeing it from the outside, and really only perceiving the corrupt ones.

Oh, he's definitely right when it comes to certain churches, and even certain entire denominations.

But he didn't say that. He said he was talking about all of Christianity. And on a libertarian forum, where people come for relief from all the collectivist thought and all the disdain for individuals...

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh, he's definitely right when it comes to certain churches, and even certain entire denominations.

Sure, from the outside, the corrupt ones are all you see.


But he didn't say that. He said he was talking about all of Christianity. And on a libertarian forum, where people come for relief from all the collectivist thought and all the disdain for individuals...

Yeah, broad brush collectivization is indeed monumentally annoying to most individualists.

[DamianTV]

Lets change the subject for a second. Slightly related but slightly askew.

Having a Mental Illness is basically a CRIME. If a person truly does have a Mental Illness, they dont "help" these people, they demand they take very expensive drugs, then they throw them in Jails and Prisons. Their idea of "therapy" is Imprisonment, and turning these people into something that is profitable for a handful of individuals. They dont have huge Insanitarium Mental Hospitals where they are overflowing with patients. They dont have a bunch of Doctors running around frantically trying to do anything to treat the conditions. No, they point at the infected and throw them in Jail. I believe I remember a statistic that said the State of Maine, the whole fucking state, has 12 total beds to house the Mentally Ill. Twelve. Not 1,200, but 12. Thats it. Mental Illness is a fucking LABEL. Might just as well point and call people WITCH, because that is what this is turning in to. A modern day WITCH hunt.

Next problem aside from how they actually "treat" the Mentally Ill (they dont), is how these cases are handled in the Courts of the Just-Us System. There is a big difference between being Mentally Ill and Insane. An Insane person would be completely unable to distinguish the difference between right and wrong. A Mentally Ill, while suffering from severe debilitating effects of their illness, are thus, allowed to stand trial and face convictions, thus Jails and Prisons are going to be filled with anyone they dont want to "damage" society by revealing its true nature.

There is no action that is more patriotic than to question the actions of the Government. Another very strong point to be made is that one of many signs of true intelligence is the ability to entertain an idea rather than blindly accepting it. This type of thinking is known as Devils Advocate. Devils Advocates, such as myself and most of us here do not accept the ideas they spout. Every time we say something like "Reported" or "good job, Comrade", even jokingly, we are playing Devils Advocate. We entertain the ideas without accepting them. This sign of intelligence is what brings us together. When we see others able to do what we are able to do, such as playing the Devils Advocate, we come together naturally.

Modern Psychiatry is as much of its own Religion as it has become completely Weaponized against Freedom in general. One of our other members (not in this thread) stated that not all Psychiatrists buy into the idea that the DSM has any real value. The shrinks themselves dont buy their own garbage. Other side of the coin is that some truly do. This version of the DSM will be updated with another version which has even more Mental Illnesses, and that version will be replaced with even more, and the total number of conditions defined by the DSM will continue to increase until every single one of us is walking around with what this fucking garbage book defines as Hundreds of Mental Disorders.

Marketing is based on two ideas. #1 The seller has something the Buyer either wants or needs. #2 The seller convices the buyer that the benefits of having that product or service is worth their money that an exchange should be made. Heavily debatable as to the actual ideas, but it is slightly off the point. When there is an absence of actual wants or needs, these wants or needs are manufactured. The buyer has to be convinced to want or need whatever is being sold. A fairly strong example of this is selling Warranties on everything. I dont just mean a manufacturers warranty, where a product is "covered" in case of defection, but the extra warranties that are sold on top of the product being sold. Best Buy is notorious for this. They sell you a truly worthless warranty for an electric can opener. And it is completely worthless because what ever you pay for that extended or additional warranty will not help you in any way shape or form if your product truly is defective. Bla bla bla extended warranty, and it completely overlaps the manufacturers warranty. As soon as manufacturers warranty expires, so does your extended warranty. They are selling you NOTHING and it is highly profitable, because so many people are completely convinced that anything that costs more than $10 bucks needs a warranty. The key here is they are selling an idea and people buy into the idea. They accept without challenge the idea that they will somehow be better protected and this service that is sold has value. The additional warranty service has zero value, yet people pay for it because they usually lack the experience to teach them these additional warranties are worthless. Big items like cars, sure, those make sense, but are also limited. I mean the garbage warranties you get sold when you buy a DVD or a Game Controller. They are junk. The IDEA that it has value is what is being sold.

This extends into the realm of Psychiatry where by the Patient buys into the idea that they are "sick" and need "their treatment". Do you have Hairy Knuckes? Then you not only have a medical condition (known as being a mammal), you also have a Mental Disorder because of all the troubles you probably dont even know you have. Then they manipulate you emotionally because they can not sustain their findings logically. Dont you ever feel like you should be happier than you are? Yeah, thats cuz of all that repressed guilt because you have Hairy Knuckles, then follow up based on the emotional shaming and guilt injected into your perceptions to get you to take "Magic Pills" for your "condition". It is Sales. If they are selling from the Comic Book that is the DSM, they are not Psychiatrists, they are fucking Used Car Salesmen. Their real purpose is to continue the Indoctrination you were first subjected to in Public School, where you are first made to be as emtionally dependant on the School and Authority in general for your concept of self worth. These Shrinks further indoctrinate you by identifying any flaws that most of us already have, making you internalize a negative emotional response, and once slightly more emotionally dependant on them by manipulationg your perceptions of reality, go "in for the kill" where they close the deal by putting you on "Magic Pills" that somehow fix you. The Religious aspect plays its part because none who are taught modern psychology dare to go against the wisdom of the Mind Church. They are "wise" because they know who to point the finger at and call out WITCH. But like any powerful Religion, what they demand above all else is the Belief that what they say is the only dogmatic truth in existence. It has nothing to do with God or Jesus or Muhammed or Buddha, they are dependant on another series of Beliefs that they try to manipulate you into blindly accepting. Such as the Belief that MSM tells the most objective versions of the Truth, that Costumes grant True Authority, that Fiat Currency has actual Value. They switch out objectivity for subjectivity where the value of something is quantified despite having completely different values to different people. The price of a car will change from person to person because each person has a different value because that value is truly subjective, not objective. However, to manipulate you as much as possible, you are sold the idea that the value of the car is Objective, hence why there is always a "Sticker Price". Running with the car analogy a bit further, your Obedience to the Banks is also heavily examined. The more Obedient to the Banks you are, the lower your price will be, as a resut of hopefully being offered a lower Interest Rate.

It is always your Obedience that is constantly in question, and they have no other choice but to label those who question their own Obedience as Mentally Ill. An emotional manipulation in order to make your Beliefs completely dependant on what you are spoon-fed. There are some real illnesses that exist. One of those true illnesses is when these Pill Salesmen truly buy into their own bullshit.

[thoughtomator]

If any of you remember the RPG Paranoia, the Alpha Computer's position on dissent being treason and any sort of deviation from the norm being a sign of a dangerous or subversive individual is basically the same concept we are discussing here.

[DamianTV]

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[pcosmar]

The good news is that we've past the worst of it. Most of the eugenics programs are shut down and we better understand true mental illness.

I question the veracity of that statement.

[otherone]

If any of you remember the RPG Paranoia, the Alpha Computer's position on dissent being treason and any sort of deviation from the norm being a sign of a dangerous or subversive individual is basically the same concept we are discussing here.

HELLYEAH

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[oyarde]

What if you are mentally ill if you do not question authority ? More likely .

[DamianTV]

What if you are mentally ill if you do not question authority ? More likely .

If you don't question authority, then there is no mental illness what so ever. Well, according to TPB.

[BV2]

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Fuck's sake Americans... what does it take?

Everything being taken, or appropriated. Each of us a suzerainty. What a bummer.

[DamianTV]

Everything being taken, or appropriated. Each of us a suzerainty. What a bummer.

Silence is Compliance, comrade!

After all, you dont want to end up like this sap, do you?

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[Mani]

Everyone in this thread is being reported for their crazy behavior. Listen to the state, the state is good, if you thinks it's not you are sick comrade. Come let me take you to a very comfortable relaxing room with lush padded walls so you can feel safe and think about how nicely mother AmeriKa takes care of you.