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tod evans
01-22-2015, 06:37 AM
My initial impression is that this behavior in men is a direct response to decades of family court decisions that are designed to financially ruin men.


From Drudge;


7.2 million Americans hiding money from spouses

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/7-2-million-americans-hiding-050451346.html

If you're ever hidden a purchase from your spouse, you're not alone.

One in five Americans have spent $500 or more on a purchase without their partner's knowledge, according to a CreditCards.com report released Wednesday. And, bucking the widespread perception, men are much more likely to have done so than their wives. Twenty-six percent of men have spent more than $500 without notifying their significant other versus just 14 percent of women.

It's not just purchases that many are keeping secret. Approximately 7.2 million Americans (4.4 million men and 2.8 million women) have hidden a bank or credit card account from their live-in spouse or partner, the report found.

"This is a big deal both in terms of your finances and in terms of your relationship," Matt Schulz, CreditCards.com's senior industry analyst, told CNBC. "Anytime you have this sort of secret being hidden, it naturally begs the question of what else is being hidden." Financial planners note that financial deceptions are particularly hard to recover from as they often indicate larger problems-whether it's overspending or more insidious habits like gambling-and are seen as a breach of trust. "It is a kind of betrayal, and betrayal is what can start the division in a marriage that can end in a split," said Donna M. Phelan, a financial advisor and author of "Women, Money and Prosperity: A Sister's Perspective on How to Retire Well." Money is an oft-cited cause of divorce. A 2013 Kansas State University study using longitudinal data from more than 4,500 couples found "arguments about money was by far the top predictor of divorce." And a separate survey of nearly 200 Certified Divorce FinancialAnalysts cited money as the third leading cause of divorce (behind "basic incompatibility" and "infidelity"). "If a couple argues about money, they're more likely to be hiding assets or spending, and if they're hiding those, they're more likely to get a divorce," said Stacy Francis, president and CEO of Francis Financial and a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst. "The deceptions create a fissure within the relationship that's hard to repair." But there is hope. In a 2010 National Endowment for Financial Education survey conducted by Harris Interactive, 67 percent of those who reported that financial deceptions affected their current or past relationships said it caused arguments, but only 16 percent said it ultimately resulted in divorce. Read More Prenups: Not just for the 1 percent anymore When, and whether, the guilty party comes clean and how the couple deals with the indiscretion can make the difference between divorce and reconciliation. But regular and candid communication can prevent such deceptions in first place, said Francis. She recommends setting aside a night once a month to check-in with each other about finances-a "financial date night." Using an online budget tool like Mint.com can also help keep you honest. "The main takeaway from all of this is in terms of relationships, whether financial or romantic, is that honesty is hard to beat," added Schulz. "If you're keeping these sort of secrets you're making things harder on yourself and setting yourself up for trouble."

DamianTV
01-22-2015, 06:45 AM
And Drug Courts, and any other Court where a person can be deprived of their property without the Due Process of Law

Such as the Crime of having too much money during a traffic stop.

If only we all had Off Shore Bank Accts like so many rich exploit to evade paying taxes.

cindy25
01-22-2015, 09:07 AM
Rand should introduce bank secrecy legislation. it won't pass but can be done by executive order by the president, saying FDIC accounts can only be opened by federal court order.

tod evans
01-22-2015, 09:20 AM
Rand should introduce bank secrecy legislation. it won't pass but can be done by executive order by the president, saying FDIC accounts can only be opened by federal court order.

Any such legislation would only serve to grant state DA's carte-blanche to federal courts and further empower all of the associated federal agencies..

I don't think this is a wise idea.......

amy31416
01-22-2015, 04:51 PM
I would advise all people to hide as many assets as possible, regardless of their relationship status. If you reproduced with a guy who won't help take care of his own kid, figure something out. If you send him to jail, he sure as hell won't be able to help out financially or otherwise and you've just stigmatized and possibly traumatized your kid--and he sure as hell won't be able to help if he has a change of heart. I suspect that most women who've made this mistake are probably better off just moving on with their lives--which is why I'd recommend it to women as well.

Plan for worst case scenarios. It can't hurt.

ZENemy
01-22-2015, 04:58 PM
Rand should introduce bank secrecy legislation. it won't pass but can be done by executive order by the president, saying FDIC accounts can only be opened by federal court order.

lol, how long will that take, 20 years? The bill would be gutted and "sex with 15.3 year olds for politicians" will make its way into the bill.

oyarde
01-23-2015, 09:54 AM
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Schifference
01-23-2015, 10:24 AM
My belief is that men spend money on what is needed and women spend money on what they think is needed.

If a woman wants a prenuptial agreement that is understandable.

If a man wants a prenup he doesn't love her.

amy31416
01-23-2015, 02:33 PM
My belief is that men spend money on what is needed and women spend money on what they think is needed.

If a woman wants a prenuptial agreement that is understandable.

If a man wants a prenup he doesn't love her.

Yeah. We're all nuts going out and buying handbags and shoes.

I went absolutely batshit insane and bought some good quality toothpaste today based on some comments here and some research I did...y'know, cuz I'm fancy. It was $3 rather than $2.

Dr.3D
01-23-2015, 03:07 PM
Yeah. We're all nuts going out and buying handbags and shoes.

I went absolutely batshit insane and bought some good quality toothpaste today based on some comments here and some research I did...y'know, cuz I'm fancy. It was $3 rather than $2.
Tom's of Maine?

Tod
01-23-2015, 04:48 PM
Kind of interesting watching the developments of young couples I know on facebook. One of them has no kids and the wife does not work. She does, however, spend lots of money continually redecorating their home and buying lots of clothes. Not quite sure what he sees in her; maybe she is extraordinary in bed or something (she is a hot young thing).

FloralScent
01-23-2015, 05:13 PM
Kind of interesting watching the developments of young couples I know on facebook. One of them has no kids and the wife does not work. She does, however, spend lots of money continually redecorating their home and buying lots of clothes. Not quite sure what he sees in her; maybe she is extraordinary in bed or something (she is a hot young thing).

When the money dries up she'll be somebody else's hot young thing. I have several naive buddies who've already been through it.

amy31416
01-23-2015, 09:55 PM
Tom's of Maine?

Nope. I found some decently rated stuff on Amazon that I'm going to try.

http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Xyliwhite-Toothpaste-6-4-Ounces/dp/B000XPB60U/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1422071559&sr=1-1&keywords=xyliwhite

I must confess that it was $3.18, so yeah, big spender here.

amy31416
01-23-2015, 10:03 PM
Kind of interesting watching the developments of young couples I know on facebook. One of them has no kids and the wife does not work. She does, however, spend lots of money continually redecorating their home and buying lots of clothes. Not quite sure what he sees in her; maybe she is extraordinary in bed or something (she is a hot young thing).

I think you answered your own question. I have a cousin who's married to a woman who's totally hot, but rather mean-spirited. In her defense, she does work a lot though. If I could afford it, I'd redecorate within moderation--not with someone else's money though, and not when there's far more worthwhile things to spend money on.

Have to admit, though--I like feng shui and if I had money to throw around, I'd do it. For now, I just use my imagination--and that works!