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NACBA
01-14-2015, 11:11 AM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/janmorgan2-800x430.jpg

A father and son say they were turned away from a “Muslim-free” Arkansas shooting range because they are brown-skinned.

The duo, who are not Muslim but are South Asian, said they were questioned about their religion and background while filling out paperwork at the Gun Cave in Hot Springs, reported the Arkansas Times.

The men told a woman at the counter they were from Hot Springs, and she informed them the business was “a Muslim-free shooting range,” and if they didn’t like that rule they should leave.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/muslim-free-arkansas-shooting-range-turns-away-brown-skinned-father-son-duo/

Acala
01-14-2015, 11:24 AM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

fisharmor
01-14-2015, 11:28 AM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

And people likewise have the absolute right to set up a competing, brown-skin friendly range right across the street.

But that right is curtailed, now, isn't it?

NACBA
01-14-2015, 11:31 AM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.


Must first check with Rachel Maddow

fisharmor
01-14-2015, 11:51 AM
Must first check with Rachel Maddow

Why? She does it on MSNBC property.

pcosmar
01-14-2015, 11:53 AM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

Yup,, and other people have the right to advertize that fact to others.

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 12:33 PM
In arizona we go to the desert and make our own range. I cannot stand range masters, they are statists mentality , plus you cant learn if youre required to constantly shoot from one position at the indoor range or concrete range master controlled range . This for example would not be allowed at a range, so for anyone serious about practicing, go find an area where you can shoot in the desert or woods without getting in trouble
http://s20.postimg.org/u9xxg03sd/vlcsnap_2015_01_09_18h24m59s156.png

Acala
01-14-2015, 12:34 PM
And people likewise have the absolute right to set up a competing, brown-skin friendly range right across the street.

But that right is curtailed, now, isn't it?

How so?

tod evans
01-14-2015, 12:49 PM
Arkansas shooting range turns away brown-skinned father-son duo

So what?

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 12:50 PM
Seems like inaccurate headline, it is really a "Brown Skin Color Free Zone", might be "Dark Skin Color Free Zone"

"My dad and I, we like to shoot guns sometimes," explained one of the latest people claiming to be removed from the gun range.
This man wants to remain anonymous for his safety. He says he and his father, both of Indian descent, were turned away from the Muslim-free zone.
He explained, "She just said 'you know, I don't think you guys belong here'."
He says when he and his dad walked into the range Sunday afternoon (1/11), they were immediately asked where they were from.
The pair are from Hot Springs. They say the owner pressed the issue.
"She mentions that this is a Muslim-free gun range and if you are then please leave."
He says they told her they're Hindu but were still not allowed.
After the incident he took to Twitter and posted "My dad and I just got kicked out of a Muslim-free gun range. I'm not Muslim, I'm just brown.""She threatened to call the police on us if we didn't leave."
Over the phone Tuesday (1/13), Jan Morgan told us she never asks if someone is a Muslim or where they're from.

She says she makes the decision based on people's behavior and whether she feels safety would be compromised. She says the two people we inquired about were asked to leave because of safety concerns, not because of race or religion.

http://www.arkansasmatters.com/story/d/story/hindu-man-father-kicked-out-of-muslim-free-gun-ran/44485/Qa1zJ_Bh6UCXfFzba8JAmg


Bit conflicting news report but if her last quote above is accurate, she is just working on similar model as TSA started working in Boston after disgraced dDG sent some experts to go learn "Behavior Detection" from experts of the only non-racist democracy in mideast.

TSA Launches Israeli-Style Behavior Detection at Boston's ...
www.theblaze.com/.../tsa-launches-israeli-style-behavior-detecti...TheBlaze (http://www.theblaze.com/.../tsa-launches-israeli-style-behavior-detecti...TheBlaze)
Aug 2, 2011 - Story Highlights: TSA to implement new behavior-detection security ... TSA Begins Using Israeli Behavior Detection Procedures at U.S. Airports .... Y

Democrats deride new TSA behavior-detection program
thehill.com/.../176923-democrats-calling-tsa-behavior-detection-...The Hill
Aug 15, 2011 - Calling a Transportation Security Administration behavior detection airport security ... Golfing buddies reveal what it's like to play with Obama.




The duo, who are not Muslim but are South Asian, said they were questioned about their religion and background while filling out paperwork at the Gun Cave in Hot Springs, reported the Arkansas Times.


People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

Private owners putting up these signs in America again will be ok in your view?

http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr_mefpvkMuE71qzt9te.jpghttps://birthedintofatherhood.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/maurice-mcleod-008.jpg

http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/no-dogs-no-jews-no-negros.jpg

No Dogs and Jews Allowed
www.huffingtonpost.ca/bernie.../human-rights-canada_b_1510399.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bernie.../human-rights-canada_b_1510399.html)
May 13, 2012 - ... up to the mid 1950s, it was common to see signs that read "No Dogs or Jews Allowed.



I understand and support private owners rights, my concern is how this mindset would choose when it comes time to decide to bomb some "brown semites" country like Iraq when few similar skin color/race people who have nothing to with Iraq are wanted by America?

High human, economic costs (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?466501-Per-Day-Cost-Of-War-Is-Absolutely-Amazing&p=5753644&viewfull=1#post5753644) are direct product of such collectivist mindset based on recent history if my theory is right.



Must first check with Rachel Maddow

You must be quite open minded if you talk to her.

http://www.thegailygrind.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Ruben-Gallego.jpghttp://76crimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/yaounde-08-21-13-journee-de-la-lutte-conre-lhomosexualite1.jpg

presence
01-14-2015, 12:53 PM
Private owners putting up these signs in America again will be ok in your view?

Absofuckinglootly.

If I don't want to associate with certain people that's my own damn business and not the government's postion to tell me otherwise.

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 01:04 PM
Absofuckinglootly.

If I don't want to associate with certain people that's my own damn business and not the government's postion to tell me otherwise.

Ok.
BTW a question just to explore a theory brewing in my mind, did you support or oppose Iraq invasion in 2003? If opposed, why?


I understand and support private owners rights, my concern is how this mindset would choose when it comes time to decide to bomb some "brown semites" country like Iraq when few similar skin color/race people who have nothing to with Iraq are wanted by America?

High human, economic costs are direct product of such collectivist mindset based on recent history if my theory is right.

William Tell
01-14-2015, 01:18 PM
And people likewise have the absolute right to set up a competing, brown-skin friendly range right across the street.

But that right is curtailed, now, isn't it?
What is curtailed?

rpfocus
01-14-2015, 01:21 PM
'Murica!

Dr.3D
01-14-2015, 01:24 PM
Since when did religion = skin color?

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 01:24 PM
http://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/J1-T04TyLf67TWMerWcEtQ/l.jpg
places like this do not simulate real environment or conditions for the best practice. outdoor facility ranges like this one in the picture have too many range masters micromanaging everyone, its not fun it is also a terrible environment to learn in imo.

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 01:26 PM
Since when did religion = skin color?

since when did random shootings become islamic jihad? lol same thing...the people at the top of the food chain (dictators) use racism to sew their seeds

donnay
01-14-2015, 01:27 PM
Since when did religion = skin color?

When people are too ignorant to know better.

jonhowe
01-14-2015, 01:31 PM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

And we have the right to read about it and call them ignoramuses.

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 01:35 PM
Since when did religion = skin color?

It is not about religion many times in such cases, despite what the lips say.

If it were, why you think 48% of GOP see Obama as a "muslim" even when he has repeatedly stated that he is a christian.

Why not much peep in pop culture when tens of thousands brown arab Christians are being slaughtered/exiled by radical Islamists for months in recent past/at present but pouring in of a huge outrage/tributes when 16 europeans (mostly non-christians) were killed recently, both in foreign lands.

tod evans
01-14-2015, 01:36 PM
And we have the right to read about it and call them ignoramuses.

There ya' are with that durn mouse in your pocket again...

3644

jmdrake
01-14-2015, 01:38 PM
Yup,, and other people have the right to advertize that fact to others.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pcosmar again.

Not only that, but the idiots running this shooting gallery think Islam is a race. :rolleyes:

Dr.3D
01-14-2015, 01:41 PM
There ya' are with that durn mouse in your pocket again...

3644
Looks like a hamster to me.

jmdrake
01-14-2015, 01:41 PM
It is not about religion many times in such collectivism, despite what the lips say.

If it were, why you think 48% of GOP see Obama as a "muslim" even when he has repeatedly stated that he is a christian.

Maybe because his dad was Muslim, his step dad was Muslim, he went to Muslims schools as a child, he slipped up and said "My Muslim faith" when being interviewed.....? Nah. It's got to be because he's black. After all Republicans think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Colin Powell and Condi Rice are Muslims. /sarc

tod evans
01-14-2015, 01:42 PM
Looks like a hamster to me.

I wouldn't know I just googled for a pic...:o

William Tell
01-14-2015, 01:46 PM
Maybe because his dad was Muslim, his step dad was Muslim, he went to Muslims schools as a child, he slipped up and said "My Muslim faith" when being interviewed.....? Nah. It's got to be because he's black. After all Republicans think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Colin Powell and Condi Rice are Muslims. /sarc

Exactly.

jmdrake
01-14-2015, 01:50 PM
For the record, if you own a restaurant and buy all of your food in state and you are far enough away from a major highway, you can put up a sign like that and not fall under the 1964 civil rights act. There might be a statewide civil rights statute that gets you, but the federal one will not apply. Most folks don't know that. Of course you most likely won't be in business long because. Just ask Donald Sterling or Paula Deen.

One thing that is an open question in my mind is how would the post segregation economy have evolved if the CRA had not been written as it was, but public segregation, or segregation from those getting government contracts, had been banned? In the 1950s and earlier, white businesses faced economic pressure (as well as legal pressure) if they did not discriminate. Had only the legal pressure been lifted, would the benefit of serving black customers through the front door caused more whites to go out of the back door? I think one reason white businesses didn't take the obvious step, if they really wanted to discriminate, to structure their business so that it fell outside of the CRA is...well...they didn't want to discriminate. The Nashville lunch counters had desegregated a couple of years prior to the passage of the CRA. (Rachel Maddow got that wrong.) Going along with a law that you could skirt around if you were careful, gave them the political cover to say to their racist white customers "Hey I feel you. I don't like the darkies either. But this is federal law now. What else can I do?"


Private owners putting up these signs in America again will be ok in your view?

http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/tumblr_mefpvkMuE71qzt9te.jpghttps://birthedintofatherhood.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/maurice-mcleod-008.jpg

http://www.israellycool.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/no-dogs-no-jews-no-negros.jpg

No Dogs and Jews Allowed
www.huffingtonpost.ca/bernie.../human-rights-canada_b_1510399.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bernie.../human-rights-canada_b_1510399.html)
May 13, 2012 - ... up to the mid 1950s, it was common to see signs that read "No Dogs or Jews Allowed.



I understand and support private owners rights, my concern is how this mindset would choose when it comes time to decide to bomb some "brown semites" country like Iraq when few similar skin color/race people who have nothing to with Iraq are wanted by America?

High human, economic costs (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?466501-Per-Day-Cost-Of-War-Is-Absolutely-Amazing&p=5753644&viewfull=1#post5753644) are direct product of such collectivist mindset based on recent history if my theory is right.




You must be quite open minded if you talk to her.

http://www.thegailygrind.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Ruben-Gallego.jpghttp://76crimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/yaounde-08-21-13-journee-de-la-lutte-conre-lhomosexualite1.jpg

jmdrake
01-14-2015, 01:51 PM
I wouldn't know I just googled for a pic...:o

Are you prejudice against hamsters? Or is Dr.3D prejudice against mice?

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 01:58 PM
After all Republicans think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Colin Powell and Condi Rice are Muslims.

You could have included Obama's pastor of 20 years, Rev, Wright in this list too to make it full analogy but they are "moslem" ( meaning not "real christians"/not belonging/outsider etc) in the minds of many people who see Obama a muslim. There has been social integration in recent decades but even todays American is most segregated on Sundays.

I maintain that most of the time such attitudes real catalyst it is not really religion.


Why not much peep in pop culture when tens of thousands brown arab Christians are being slaughtered/exiled by radical Islamists for months in recent past/at present but pouring in of a huge outrage/tributes when 16 europeans (mostly non-christians) were killed recently, both in foreign lands.

Dr.3D
01-14-2015, 02:01 PM
Are you prejudice against hamsters? Or is Dr.3D prejudice against mice?
I like hamsters, but mice keep getting in my house and I'm at war with them.

tod evans
01-14-2015, 02:03 PM
I like hamsters, but mice keep getting in my house and I'm at war with them.

Kind of small aren't they?

10-12 to make a burrito......

I'm not fond of rodents of any stripe but the absolute worst are of the two legged variety.

Dr.3D
01-14-2015, 02:07 PM
Kind of small aren't they?

10-12 to make a burrito......

I'm not fond of rodents of any stripe but the absolute worst are of the two legged variety.

I used to sell hamsters to the pet shop when I was a kid. It's how I got spending money.

Mice are just a pest that gets into things in the kitchen.

Yeah, two legged rats are the worse. I tend to direct them toward the two legged snakes.

Acala
01-14-2015, 02:16 PM
Private owners putting up these signs in America again will be ok in your view?

That depends on what you mean by "ok". It would be very unfortunate and would call for boycotts and social shunning. But it should absolutely NOT be illegal nor justification for any kind of violent attack.

Acala
01-14-2015, 02:21 PM
In arizona we go to the desert and make our own range. I cannot stand range masters, they are statists mentality , plus you cant learn if youre required to constantly shoot from one position at the indoor range or concrete range master controlled range . This for example would not be allowed at a range, so for anyone serious about practicing, go find an area where you can shoot in the desert or woods without getting in trouble
http://s20.postimg.org/u9xxg03sd/vlcsnap_2015_01_09_18h24m59s156.png

You can shoot seated like this, or prone if you like, at Three Points and probably also at Ben Avery. But you are correct that you can't move from one firing position to another unless you are involved in an organized shoot. As for range masters, I "might" see one wander by once in a couple hours at Three Points. But at the new County range by the Fairgrounds the range masters are all over you.

osan
01-14-2015, 02:22 PM
Private owners putting up these signs in America again will be ok in your view?

Absolutely. I may not like it, but it is their business what signs they put up.

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 02:29 PM
I should have been more explicit in making the distinction, I was not talking in the "rights" domain and certainly support the right to be peacefully exclusive or even hateful/ignorant... but was pointing out that same mindset recently translated a deadly blunder and was just using this opportunity to criticize the collective lazy mindset that led this ranch and rest of America to be under the Islamic sharia domain of Barack Hussein Obama for last 6-7 years.. in case some lessons can be learnt from it.
Was a root cause analysis.

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 02:33 PM
You can shoot seated like this, or prone if you like, at Three Points and probably also at Ben Avery. But you are correct that you can't move from one firing position to another unless you are involved in an organized shoot. As for range masters, I "might" see one wander by once in a couple hours at Three Points. But at the new County range by the Fairgrounds the range masters are all over you.
My point is that people should stop paying a range to do something that is their right out in the wild . Ranges also restrict you from practicing 800-1000 yard shots because apparently thats reserved only for law enforcement and government gang members.

Acala
01-14-2015, 02:47 PM
My point is that people should stop paying a range to do something that is their right out in the wild . Ranges also restrict you from practicing 800-1000 yard shots because apparently thats reserved only for law enforcement and government gang members.

I don't mean to discourage people shooting in the wild. But Three Points and Ben Avery both have 1000 yard ranges not restricted to law enforcement.

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 03:12 PM
I don't mean to discourage people shooting in the wild. But Three Points and Ben Avery both have 1000 yard ranges not restricted to law enforcement.
they did last time I went there,and I guarantee that is the last time I went

morfeeis
01-14-2015, 03:14 PM
In arizona we go to the desert and make our own range. I cannot stand range masters, they are statists mentality , plus you cant learn if youre required to constantly shoot from one position at the indoor range or concrete range master controlled range . This for example would not be allowed at a range, so for anyone serious about practicing, go find an area where you can shoot in the desert or woods without getting in trouble
http://s20.postimg.org/u9xxg03sd/vlcsnap_2015_01_09_18h24m59s156.png

Unless it's 114 then i tend to welcome an indoor range. right after i moved to mesa we went out and laid or rifles on the bed of the truck while we shoot others after they were in the sun for minutes they were to damn hot to even pick up. But you are right on the money, after one range told me i had to walk from the rifle bay to the pistol bay with my pistol held up in the air like a retard, wasn't allowed to draw from a holster and was told double taps were rapid fire and that they don't like AR pistols i was fing done.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kBVqdqUE0Y4/VF6bhqVHCYI/AAAAAAAADaU/IgSxUYC0NLc/w1143-h857-no/20141108_140724.jpg

morfeeis
01-14-2015, 03:21 PM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.


Yup,, and other people have the right to advertize that fact to others.

Both of you are very much correct....

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 03:41 PM
Unless it's 114 then i tend to welcome an indoor range. right after i moved to mesa we went out and laid or rifles on the bed of the truck while we shoot others after they were in the sun for minutes they were to damn hot to even pick up. But you are right on the money, after one range told me i had to walk from the rifle bay to the pistol bay with my pistol held up in the air like a retard, wasn't allowed to draw from a holster and was told double taps were rapid fire and that they don't like AR pistols i was fing done.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kBVqdqUE0Y4/VF6bhqVHCYI/AAAAAAAADaU/IgSxUYC0NLc/w1143-h857-no/20141108_140724.jpg
heres one they don't allow at the range : instinctive shooting. I smh when I see people practicing with two hands, and thats all they know because thats all that the range permits.

specsaregood
01-14-2015, 03:50 PM
I like hamsters, but mice keep getting in my house and I'm at war with them.
you don't have a cat?


I used to sell hamsters to the pet shop when I was a kid. It's how I got spending money.


I did the same with rabbits.

HVACTech
01-14-2015, 04:24 PM
I just Happen to live in Hot Springs AR... and I had to look this place up! apparently on target. has new owners...
technically it is not in the city limits and is closer to Mountain Pine.
there are some supply houses over that way, I will stop by next time I am over there.

I don't normally use a range. my back porch is just fine. the sound of gunfire is pretty normal around here.
nobody panics.

PaulConventionWV
01-14-2015, 04:33 PM
People have the absolute right to be hateful ignoramuses on their own property.

Yes, but I am still going to acknowledge the fact that they are hateful ignoramuses.

Fucking retarded, in fact. What kind of legitimate business revolves around asking people what their religion is? Typical neocon collectivists.

Not only that but they're getting dangerously close to violating the CRA of 1964.

fisharmor
01-14-2015, 04:37 PM
And people likewise have the absolute right to set up a competing, brown-skin friendly range right across the street.

But that right is curtailed, now, isn't it?


How so?

If I go down to bumblefuck Arkansas and set up a competing range - you know what, I'm not even going to get to the range part before I start attracting tax collectors and business licensers.
Even if I get past that, how many localities are there in the US where you can just set up a range, without having everything ranging from express permission from the local council, to EPA certification? There's a good reason indoor ranges are pretty rare. I live in the DC area - the current wealthiest per capita area of the country - and on the Virginia side, where we have better gun laws than 90% of the country - and still, the nicest indoor range of THREE TOTAL in the area is the NRA headquarters, and you can't tell me it's not getting at least somewhat subsidized by all the professional begging they do.

This has to be because of licensing and barriers to entry.

Like it or not, the liberty minded lose on this one. The sad fact of the matter is that everyone just accepts anymore that the state is going to crawl up your ass whenever you try to do any kind of business. And since we never seem to turn the topic in that direction, and never challenge the seemingly axiomatic notion that people can't just start businesses whenever they want, we lose - for the reason that if the government is going to control something as basic as whether you even get to open your doors, they're bloody well going to control something a lot less basic, like whether you get to disallow dark people inside.

Brian4Liberty
01-14-2015, 04:44 PM
‘Muslim-free’ Arkansas shooting range turns away brown-skinned father-son duo

She wouldn't have many customers with a policy like that in my neck of the woods.

Brian4Liberty
01-14-2015, 04:56 PM
“Since I have no way of discerning which Muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands in their (Quran), I choose to err on the side of caution for the safety of my patrons,” Morgan posted on her website.

Let's talk about the business that she is in. Most likely these guys wanted to rent weapons and purchase ammo. She is correct that some degree of caution not only is her right as a private business owner, it is almost a responsibility. Many ranges also sell weapons. The government mandates some checks, supposedly for safety purposes. Conscientious owners have refused to sell to people that didn't seem right. IIRC, one of the crazy shooters in the past was turned away before they found someone else who would sell to them (maybe the guy that shot Gabby Giffords?). As many shooters know, suicide and homicide at gun ranges is far too common.

That being said, she has taken this honest and expected caution and took it further down a collectivist slippery slope. Can she do this as an owner? She certainly has that right. Should she have a collectivist written policy? No, that is not fair, and not good for business either. But she certainly does have the right and responsibility to use some caution when handing out guns and ammo to strangers or people who are obviously "not right" for a wide variety of reasons. She ain't selling hamburgers.

Be careful who you hand that gun and ammo to...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPCn-aYMoM

HVACTech
01-14-2015, 05:00 PM
She wouldn't have many customers with a policy like that in my neck of the woods.

a lot of Arkansas bashing going on... I called my friend and asked if he knew of or had seen any "Muslims" around here....
and we agreed. other than the people who are buying up the older motels, convenience stores and liquor stores.
we don't have any.

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2015, 05:09 PM
Ok.
BTW a question just to explore a theory brewing in my mind, did you support or oppose Iraq invasion in 2003? If opposed, why?

I also think they should be allowed to put up such signs, because it makes it easier for me to avoid giving my money to such creatures. I would rather know ahead of time that they are scummy so I can avoid giving them my business. And I opposed the Iraq invasion, openly and publicly, from the moment I heard about it.

PaulConventionWV
01-14-2015, 05:19 PM
There ya' are with that durn mouse in your pocket again...

3644

You don't have that right?

tod evans
01-14-2015, 05:26 PM
You don't have that right?

What right would that be?

My statement was clearly addressing the use of the term "we" when speaking in the first person, like some are wont to do when hoping to attract others to their way of thinking.

jonhowe
01-14-2015, 05:27 PM
There ya' are with that durn mouse in your pocket again...

3644

I said it, Acala said it, that's we.

PaulConventionWV
01-14-2015, 05:36 PM
You can shoot seated like this, or prone if you like, at Three Points and probably also at Ben Avery. But you are correct that you can't move from one firing position to another unless you are involved in an organized shoot. As for range masters, I "might" see one wander by once in a couple hours at Three Points. But at the new County range by the Fairgrounds the range masters are all over you.

The main problem I would have if I were an avid shooter is that I wouldn't be able to move around or change direction.

CaptainAmerica
01-14-2015, 05:37 PM
She wouldn't have many customers with a policy like that in my neck of the woods.


a lot of Arkansas bashing going on... I called my friend and asked if he knew of or had seen any "Muslims" around here....
and we agreed. other than the people who are buying up the older motels, convenience stores and liquor stores.
we don't have any.

how would anyone even know ?

PaulConventionWV
01-14-2015, 05:41 PM
What right would that be?

My statement was clearly addressing the use of the term "we" when speaking in the first person, like some are wont to do when hoping to attract others to their way of thinking.

If you look closely, the term "we" is actually followed by "have the right to..." so if you take issue with that phrase, then I would assume you don't think you have that right.

69360
01-14-2015, 05:42 PM
So? Businesses should be able to exclude whoever they want to.

Range? City people problem. Around here you can just walk out your back door and shoot all day.

PaulConventionWV
01-14-2015, 06:04 PM
So? Businesses should be able to exclude whoever they want to.

Range? City people problem. Around here you can just walk out your back door and shoot all day.

Sure, but we don't have to endorse it. "So" we are ridiculing it.

presence
01-14-2015, 06:20 PM
Around here you can just walk out your back door and shoot all day.

lol I just found out we have some kind of after dusk policy here. Fuck that: I see coyotes in my driveway, I'm droppin' brass.

HVACTech
01-14-2015, 07:07 PM
ok, I got the low down on it.

the original owner.. was about 65 and was recently killed while working on his truck.
his son ran it for awhile before selling it to this good looking chick who is appealing to the local rednecks.

the lesson here is, never remove the air cleaner on a carburated truck that is backfiring. or give the keys to the Corvette to just anybody.

HVACTech
01-14-2015, 07:16 PM
lol I just found out we have some kind of after dusk policy here. Fuck that: I see coyotes in my driveway, I'm droppin' brass.

most people around here don't shoot after dark. (unless they have a reason)
it is really not a "policy" more of a courtesy.
we also hold doors open for people, pull over and stop for a funeral procession and routinely use m'am and sir. regardless of age or social bearing.
:)

pcosmar
01-14-2015, 07:31 PM
chick who is appealing to the local rednecks bigots.


fixed that for ya. ;)

idiom
01-14-2015, 07:35 PM
fixed that for ya. ;)

I love you guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4

HVACTech
01-14-2015, 07:47 PM
fixed that for ya. ;)

thank you, back in my day, growing up in metro Detroit, both redneck and the "n" word had the same meaning. :(

after living down here for so long, I actually DO have a redneck.... I stand corrected! :D

Dr.3D
01-14-2015, 08:11 PM
you don't have a cat?

No, I have two Dobermans and it's hard to find a cat who wants to move in with them.

fr33
01-14-2015, 08:13 PM
I've never been to a shooting range. I guess it would be cool for testing out guns that I'll never buy. Otherwise, my back yard is a shooting range.

69360
01-14-2015, 09:06 PM
Sure, but we don't have to endorse it. "So" we are ridiculing it.

Eh, when I ran a business I refused to sell to some people, just because they were idiots or I didn't think what I was selling was right for them. I'd like to keep that option available to everyone.


lol I just found out we have some kind of after dusk policy here. Fuck that: I see coyotes in my driveway, I'm droppin' brass.

We've had coyotes twice here, they seemed more scared of us than we were of them. They just ran off. We don't have any animals though, if you do it makes sense to get rid of them.

tod evans
01-28-2015, 03:51 PM
Gun range's ban on Muslims draws fire

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/28/gun-range-ban-on-muslims-draws-fire/

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/U.S./876/493/janmorgan.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

In the five months since Jan Morgan banned Muslims from her gun range in Hot Springs, Ark., business has boomed and predictions of a lawsuit brought by federal civil rights enforcers have so far proved inaccurate.

Morgan, who claims keeping Muslims out of her Gun Cave Indoor Firing Range is a matter of public safety and not a constitutional issue, says she made the decision in September after two customers she deemed suspicious visited. She said their furtive behavior and cellphone ringtones of “Allahu Akhbar” prompted her to revise her range’s policies.

“We are dealing in lethal firearms,” Morgan told FoxNews.com. “I’m not going to let a Nazi shoot in here, or a Ku Klux Klan member in here, either.”

Morgan said she excludes those she believes to be Muslim based on their names. She says business is up, but she has gotten threats, which she brushed off.

But Morgan’s “no Muslims” stance has her in the legal crosshairs of at least two groups. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder seeking the Justice Department’s involvement.

“Given the recent spike in anti-Muslim rhetoric, including Islamophobic statements by government officials, community leaders and media outlets, death threats, and other bias incidents targeting Muslims, I urge you to investigate this matter soon,” a letter sent by CAIR to Holder in October stated.

“CAIR believes that systematically banning Muslims from a place of business is a violation of federal laws prohibiting racial and religious discrimination and will inevitably result in a hostile environment for ordinary Muslims in Arkansas,” the letter added.

The Justice Department did not respond to requests for comment on the matter. CAIR’s letter was copied to Gov. Mike Beebe, whose term has since ended, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Arkansas, and the ATF's Little Rock Field Office. CAIR’s litigation director told FoxNews.com none of the recipients has responded.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Arkansas also has petitioned federal authorities to do something about Morgan’s rules. Executive Director Rita Sklar told FoxNews.com Morgan’s claim the gun range was acting out of legitimate caution is a dog that doesn’t hunt.

“It’s discrimination based on religion, or, in this case, perceived religion and is a violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act,” Sklar said. “It isn’t based on that person’s behavior or anything they could reliably use that could be used to bar the person from the premises.”

Sklar also said that while the ACLU chapter has not heard back yet from the DOJ, her group would be “more than happy” to proceed with legal action should a client approach them.

“We would be happy to talk to anyone who had been turned away because he or she is Muslim or perceived to be Muslim,” Sklar said. “We would be more than happy to take her to court to get her to do the American, moral thing.”

While no Muslim plaintiffs have stepped forward, a father and son who say they are Hindu claim they were kicked out last week.

"My dad and I just got kicked out of a Muslim-free gun range," read a tweet from the man claiming to have been booted. "I'm not Muslim, I'm just brown."

Legal experts say Morgan may be within her rights if her gun range is deemed a private club. Federal law bars discrimination or segregation in places of public accommodation or those that affect interstate commerce. In a legal challenge, Morgan might have to prove that her business does not fall under federal civil rights regulation.

"Federal law forbids religious discrimination by places of public accommodations," said Cornell University Law School Professor Michael Dorf. Arkansas has a state law that does the same thing. Under the federal case law, in order for an entity to count as a private club, it must have some sort of restricted membership and not be generally open to the public.

"A gun range that is generally open to the public but excludes Muslims - or any other group based on a forbidden classification - could not fairly say that everyone is a member except Muslims," Dorf added.

Mark Killenbeck, a Constitutional law professor at University of Arkansas School of Law, said if Morgan is sued, she could have a hard time showing her gun range is a privvate club and not subject to the federal statutory ban on discrimination of the basis of religion.

"The Court has held that truly private entities can engage in such discrimination but requires that they are truly and demonstrably private and that the club and its members have a 'common expressive purpose,'” he said. "There are ways that the owner might be able to make that claim, but I am skeptical."

In the meantime, Morgan is not budging. She likened offering target practice to potential terrorists to flight schools offering lessons on simulators to the 9/11 terrorists. And because firearms are involved, she said her case is not analogous to cases in which private businesses have been sanctioned for refusing to serve other groups, such as gays.

“One mistake can cost another human being’s life,” she said. “There’s no room for mistakes when you’re handling firearms. We aren’t just refusing to make a wedding cake here.”

Morgan claims business has “quadrupled” with people from out of state coming to the range and some even offering donations for what they predict will be a legal battle. She also said she has been threatened, which she responded to by posting her home address on the range website and daring those issuing threats to do so in person.

“I am the infidel your Imam warned you about,” Morgan wrote under an image of her packing heat.

VIDEODROME
01-28-2015, 03:56 PM
Maybe because his dad was Muslim, his step dad was Muslim, he went to Muslims schools as a child, he slipped up and said "My Muslim faith" when being interviewed.....? Nah. It's got to be because he's black. After all Republicans think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Colin Powell and Condi Rice are Muslims. /sarc

But he's also apparently Irish. Is he a Catholic Muslim?

VIDEODROME
01-28-2015, 04:01 PM
I've never been to a shooting range. I guess it would be cool for testing out guns that I'll never buy. Otherwise, my back yard is a shooting range.

Before I ever bought a handgun I took a range course. I got to try different pistols and revolvers. It's a nice way to see them in action with different styles and brands.

pcosmar
01-28-2015, 04:02 PM
I sounds like a place that would attract the type of people I would not care to associate with.

But I have a spot on my property for a 100 yard range,, if I am ever able to own them. (doubts)