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enhanced_deficit
01-13-2015, 02:35 PM
[Mod edit: Thread title comes from an anonymous article at an unknown website, and is not written by an "official". Here is a link to the actual article being liberally paraphrased: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-tsarnaevs-trial-qui-bono/]

This claim by a former insider is incredible:

CIA Behind France Attacks, Says Ex White House Official (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/CIA-Behind-France-Attacks-Says-Ex-White-House-Official-20150111-0010.html)

Armed French intervention police are seen at the scene of a shooting in the street of Montrouge near Paris January 8, 2015. | Photo: Reuters
Published 11 January 2015

Paul Craig Roberts, wrote on his blog Thursday that the atrocities were a "false flag" operation, similar to those carried out after WW II to frame communists.
Attacks carried out by alleged Islamic gunmen in France last week that left 17 dead were the work of the CIA, “designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington,” a former White House official has claimed.
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and editor of the Wall Street Journal, Paul Craig Roberts, wrote on his blog Thursday that the atrocities were a “false flag” operation, similar to those carried out after World War II to frame communists.
“Muslims are going to be framed for an inside job designed to pull France firmly back under Washington’s thumb,” he wrote.


Updated to separately list below news link that was hyperlinked above:

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/CIA-Behind-France-Attacks-Says-Ex-White-House-Official-20150111-0010.html
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/pages/about.html
teleSUR .. Its advisory board was made up of important figures such as Noble Peace Prize Winner, Adolfo Pérez Esquivel, and journalist Ignacio Ramonet.



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dannno
01-13-2015, 03:03 PM
lol, one of the gunmen left his ID at the scene?? Really??? lol.....

Zippyjuan
01-13-2015, 03:15 PM
So a 9/11 Truther says in his blog that the CIA was behind the attacks in France. I see. Awesome proof. He does not actually say the CIA is behind it despite the headline in the OP.

He does say (at the actual blog post):

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/11/suspicions-growing-french-shootings-false-flag-operation/


Suspicions are growing that the French shootings are a false flag operation

I do not know these sites or their credibility. I do know the mainstream media, and it has no credibility.

One link is a one second YouTube video.

Elias Graves
01-13-2015, 03:18 PM
Let's see...Obama won't say there's a war on terror but then orchestrates a carefully planned attack on the French only to refuse to attend the solidarity rally? He's dumber than I thought.

acptulsa
01-13-2015, 03:19 PM
So a 9/11 Truther says in his blog that the CIA was behind the attacks in France. I see.

And do you see that I'd sooner buy a used car from a '9/11 Truther' than you?

This person might be wrong. He might be. But he is not wrong by innuendo. He's either wrong, or he's right. And the fact that he's also right about 9/11 has no bearing on that one way or the other.


Let's see...Obama won't say there's a war on terror but then orchestrates a carefully planned attack on the French only to refuse to attend the solidarity rally? He's dumber than I thought.

The only possible reason to orchestrate an attack on a French joke rag is to give Obama an excuse to visit Paris?

Gee, I thought he could get to Paris without all of that, if he really wanted to...

phill4paul
01-13-2015, 03:21 PM
So a 9/11 Truther says in his blog that the CIA was behind the attacks in France. I see. Awesome proof. He does not actually say the CIA is behind it despite the headline in the OP.

He does say:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/11/suspicions-growing-french-shootings-false-flag-operation/



One link is a one second YouTube video.

So because someone is a 9/11 "Truther" they have zero credibility. I see.

enhanced_deficit
01-13-2015, 03:22 PM
He does say:

Suspicions are growing that the French shootings are a false flag operation
I do not know these sites or their credibility. I do know the mainstream media, and it has no credibility.



EM.

The man demonstrated massive credibility and insight as Iraq Truther, you failed to cite that.

Paul Craig Roberts: Iraq After Ten Years
Information Clearing House
Mar 19, 2013 - It is known that the justification for the invasion was a packet of lies orchestrated by .....


He seems to be right when it comes to MSM credibility.



http://tvnewslies.org/assets/images/uninformed.gif
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/1/lies_iraq02-05-2008b.jpg

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)
2003: Washington Post ran 27 editorials in favor of Iraq invasion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)

acptulsa
01-13-2015, 03:25 PM
He seems to be right when it comes to MSM credibility.

Yellowcake Journalism Lives!

69360
01-13-2015, 04:30 PM
How do I know the CIA isn't behind what this former government official says?

pcosmar
01-13-2015, 04:36 PM
lol, one of the gunmen left his ID at the scene?? Really??? lol.....

Professionalism.

TheGrinch
01-13-2015, 04:47 PM
How do I know the CIA isn't behind what this former government official says?

Anything's possible, but when investigating a crime, one should look for the suspects who would have the biggest motives to do so.

Why would it be in the CIA's interest to have guy who is a credible insider claim they're taking part in a false flag operation if they weren't? To make people trust the Feds even less?

There's seemingly no solid motive there, whereas this guy's claims would have significant motive attached. Thus, the latter is much more worthy of investigation.

Brian4Liberty
01-13-2015, 04:58 PM
Paul Craig Roberts, wrote on his blog Thursday that the atrocities were a "false flag" operation

That (and the title) are not very legitimate quotes when only two words are quoted. The original blog is not even linked by the anonymous author at the unknown website.

The article being falsely paraphrased is here:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-tsarnaevs-trial-qui-bono/

satchelmcqueen
01-13-2015, 05:00 PM
lol, one of the gunmen left his ID at the scene?? Really??? lol.....

yep, just like some of the people on the planes that hit the twin towers had their IDs found on the street in perfect condition!!

ghengis86
01-13-2015, 05:41 PM
It was less than 48 hours ago when Turkey’s prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, joined millions marching in Paris to pay tribute to the 17 people killed by ISIS-supporting extremists. Then, almost the moment he got back, things changed, and as the FT politely paraphrases what transpired, the "country’s president struck a much more confrontational tone." That's one way of putting it. Another is that the former PM and current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, of NATO-member Turkey did the unthinkable: accused the west, and French citizens in particular, of staging the Charlie Hebdo murder in order to blame Muslims, even as the mayor of Ankara said "Mossad is definitely behind such incidents . . . it is boosting enmity towards Islam."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/turkish-presidents-stunning-outburst-french-are-behind-charlie-hebdo-massacre-mossad

Danke
01-13-2015, 05:41 PM
yep, just like some of the people on the planes that hit the twin towers had their IDs found on the street in perfect condition!!

Their passports were made of flame retardant material...

ghengis86
01-13-2015, 05:43 PM
yep, just like some of the people on the planes that hit the twin towers had their IDs found on the street in perfect condition!!

Passports survive what steel columns cannot.

Danke
01-13-2015, 05:48 PM
lol, one of the gunmen left his ID at the scene?? Really??? lol.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-classmates-protest-innocence-of-suspect-hamyd-mourad-18-with-school-alibi-9965581.html



The classmates of an 18-year-old suspect in the Paris shooting, that occurred yesterday afternoon at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine, have protested his innocence by saying that he was in class at the time of the incident in which 12 people were murdered.

Hamyd Mourad was reported to have handed himself to the police at around 11pm last night after he saw his name mentioned on the news and his friends and acquaintances have said that he has an alibi, as they claim he was present in the classrooms that day.



Two other suspects, brothers named as Cherif and Said Kouachi aged 32 and 34 respectively, are wanted by police as it is alleged that they are the two gunmen who fled Paris this afternoon.

Police say that Mourad was being held without charge after he went to them after the incident and his peers say that he was in the same classes. It was reported that the young man recently graduated from a school in his home town of Charleville-Mézières.

A teenager who tweeted with the handle @babydroma said that Mourad was in her philosophy class. She said: “Please, he was in [school] all morning, he’s in my class.”

She also added that she wanted to defend the suspect but she claims the two were not close friends and she had only spoken to him around five times.

otherone
01-13-2015, 06:32 PM
Passports survive what steel columns cannot.

Maybe they should make buildings out of passports?

libertygrl
01-13-2015, 06:45 PM
Scroll to 1:15:38. A common sense approach:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA

enhanced_deficit
01-13-2015, 08:23 PM
Scroll to 1:15:38. A common sense approach:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA


Very informative.

ctiger2
01-13-2015, 08:42 PM
Anyone with a brain knows it was just another Mossad false flag, like 911 was. You have to be a complete moron to not see it.

jjdoyle
01-13-2015, 09:11 PM
I don't know that it was/wasn't a false flag, and haven't researched much (any really) into it other than seeing the stated prior motivation(s) and prior arrest of one of the accused for trying to go to Iraq to fight back in 2008, I believe.

BUT, the one thing that this attack did was bury the prostitution sex slave scandal story that was starting to be reported on. With HIGH ups being name like former President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, and more...

Rumsfeld announces the Pentagons' problems with tracking money, and the amount of $2.3 TRILLION possibly missing, or 25% of all transactions. 9/11 happens the next day.
Bill Clinton gets named, Prince Andrew, and OTHERS in a potential SEX SLAVE scandal....radicals attack magazine.

http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-its-a-conspiracy-but-its-a-conspiracy.jpg

jmdrake
01-13-2015, 10:06 PM
Scroll to 1:15:38. A common sense approach:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA

Wow! I was unaware that the NDAA repealed the ban on propaganda.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5

I love Naomi Wolf. Of course blatant propaganda happened before then. Has everyone forgotten about Jessica Lynch?

jonhowe
01-13-2015, 10:27 PM
EM.

The man demonstrated massive credibility and insight as Iraq Truther, you failed to cite that.

Paul Craig Roberts: Iraq After Ten Years
Information Clearing House
Mar 19, 2013 - It is known that the justification for the invasion was a packet of lies orchestrated by .....


He seems to be right when it comes to MSM credibility.



http://tvnewslies.org/assets/images/uninformed.gif
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/1/lies_iraq02-05-2008b.jpg

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)
2003: Washington Post ran 27 editorials in favor of Iraq invasion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?458793-2003-Washington-Post-ran-27-editorials-in-favor-of-Iraq-invasion&)



We should all be listening to NPR, apparently.

Seriously though, every now and then NPR will run something liberty minded. It's... strange.

enhanced_deficit
01-14-2015, 12:49 AM
BBC spoof web story raises questions about Hebdo videos


http://media.worldbulletin.net/news/2015/01/07/charlie-hebdo.jpg

Phony BBC story on Charlie Hebdo massacres linked to broadcaster's online service goes viral in cyberattack

World Bulletin/News Desk
A story on a BBC-lookalike web page which raises questions about the authenticity of YouTube footage of the killing of a police officer by a gunman during the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris last week has gone viral on social media.

The web page leads with a story based on comments by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts - an Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under the Reagan Administration who helped co-found the "Reaganomics" economic strategy and an associate editor of the Wall Street Journal - republished from Press TV.

The spoof BBC page published on Monday led with the republication of a genuine story on remarks made by Roberts, who has voiced his concern that the brutal attacks carried out in France may be part of a "false flag" operation "designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington".

The article spread rapidly across the internet as people believed they were reading a genuine BBC story.
It contained genuine comments written by Roberts saying: "The suspects can be both guilty and patsies. Just remember all the terrorist plots created by the FBI that served to make the terrorism threat real to Americans."

'False flag operations'
Dr. Roberts argues in the link to a genuine story on Iranian website, Press TV, that U.S. agencies have planned "false flag operations" - missions carried out by intelligence agencies which deflect blame onto other nations, group or targets - in Europe to create hatred against Muslims and bring European countries under Washington’s sphere of influence and to support the "war on terror" launched during the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Roberts, a noted economist and journalist, states in his personal columns that “the attack on Charlie Hebdo was an inside job and that people identified by NSA as hostile to the Western wars against Muslims are going to be framed for an inside job designed to pull France firmly back under Washington’s thumb.”

His article finishes with him declaring the U.S. "government tells Americans whatever story the government puts together and sits and laughs at the gullibility of the public".

'Blanks, not bullets'
The web link points to the existence of what it describes as "place markers" in the video of two gunmen killing a police officer - two dark lines at a right angle on the road where the gunmen's car is centered when the video begins, as well as a shoe positioned squarely in front of the car door from which the armed passenger exits.

The text suggests that a break in the footage which appears after the policeman is "apparently" shot in the head, shows after it restarts the passenger-side gunman returning to the vehicle, which then appears to be sited slightly behind its original position - with a second dark line at right-angles to the road direction showing up more clearly by the offside front wheel.
The gunman then picks up the shoe and carries it with him back into the car.
The text also quotes a "David Mayhew" saying: “If the video shows events as they actually occurred, then in my opinion it is most likely that the firearm shown is discharging blanks rather than conventional ammunition”, describing him as a "forensic and ballistics expert".
The fake article concludes: “Whilst numerous theories have sprung up concerning this and other details, the general consensus among not just skeptics, but some major news agencies, is that the entire event was a ‘False Flag’ attack perpetrated by the CIA and/or Mossad in a “psy-ops” exercise to rouse hatred against Islam and support for what has been so far, a failing campaign in Iraq, Syria and the Middle East”.



'U.S. a police state'
He has also opposed the "War on Drugs" and criticized Israel's policies, actions and brutal attacks carried out against Palestinians.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/world/152819/bbc-spoof-web-story-raises-questions-about-hebdo-videos

enhanced_deficit
01-19-2015, 12:32 PM
French Aircraft Carrier to Join Fight Against ISIS (http://www.dodbuzz.com/2015/01/15/french-aircraft-carrier-to-join-fight-against-isis/)

http://www.dodbuzz.com/wp-content/themes/dodbuzz/thumb.php?src=http://www.dodbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/French-Carrier-600x400.jpg&w=300&h=200&zc=1&q=80

By Richard Sisk Thursday, January 15th, 2015 12:06 am

The flagship of the French fleet, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles DeGaulle, has been ordered to the Gulf region to support the mission against ISIS and possibly join the U.S. carrier Carl Vinson in airstrikes.
In remarks on Wednesday aboard the DeGaulle, French President Francois Hollande said that the terror attacks in Paris last week by Islamic extremists “justifies the presence of our aircraft carrier” in the Gulf.