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Suzanimal
01-13-2015, 11:01 AM
GOOCHLAND COUNTY, Va. — A policy approved by the Goochland County School Board in 2013 has several parents who home school their children upset.
The policy requires children ages 14 and up who want to be home schooled to provide a statement about their religious beliefs to the school system.
As part of that, the board reserves the right to bring the child and his or her parent in for a hearing.
Parents Kevin and Katrina Hoeft decided not to send their kids to the county’s public schools for religious regions, and are not happy with the policy.
“For a 14-year-old to be threatened to have to come before the school board to explain or justify his or her religious beliefs?” an incredulous Kevin Hoeft said.
The Home School Legal Defense Association said the policy violates Virginia law. State law allows children undergoing religious training to be taught at home without having to defend their beliefs.
But, School Board Chairperson Michael Payne said that the system’s legal advisor said the policy is legally sound. Still, he said the board will review the policy at its meeting next Tuesday and welcomes comments from the public.
Payne, who voted against the new policy, also said state law on the issue is very vague, and he would like the General Assembly to clarify the law for school districts.
http://wtvr.com/2015/01/09/goochland-parents-upset-about-new-home-school-policy/
otherone
01-13-2015, 11:19 AM
My deeply felt religious belief is that public schools blow.
jmdrake
01-13-2015, 11:21 AM
It's a clear violation of the free exercise clause of the first amendment and has absolutely nothing to do with education.
ZENemy
01-13-2015, 11:22 AM
It's a clear violation of the free exercise clause of the first amendment and has absolutely nothing to do with education.
Nothing the gov does is a violation, they have a new rule; if you play by the rules, they may change the rules.
The sooner people get this through their head the better off we will be.
specsaregood
01-13-2015, 11:28 AM
It's a clear violation of the free exercise clause of the first amendment and has absolutely nothing to do with education.
Fair enough. However, at 14 I would have gladly accepted the challenge invitation and been proud to present my religious beliefs to them. I credit my enjoyment and skill at public speaking with my parents expecting me to do just that on many occasions.
jllundqu
01-13-2015, 11:33 AM
I am very happy I live in Arizona where I can homeschool my kids without having to get 'permission' from the government.
Ronin Truth
01-13-2015, 11:40 AM
Just tell the school board to "FUCK OFF!"
Petty toady megalomaniacal tyrants with delusions of adequacy and competence just really tend to piss me off.
jmdrake
01-13-2015, 12:00 PM
Fair enough. However, at 14 I would have gladly accepted the challenge invitation and been proud to present my religious beliefs to them. I credit my enjoyment and skill at public speaking with my parents expecting me to do just that on many occasions.
I would be tempted to say "My religious belief is that all members of school boards are unfit to hold public office."
ifthenwouldi
01-13-2015, 12:41 PM
http://faithinrichmond.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/statute-for-religious-freedom.jpg
It's crazy to be walking around downtown Richmond and see this on a wall next to a parking lot. So random.
Sometimes, ya just gotta make the hard choices and stand up for what you believe in, even if it kills you, if ya wanna have a chance at living free.
pcosmar
01-13-2015, 01:08 PM
the board reserves the right to bring the child and his or her parent in for a hearing.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mZUXbfQXYPc/maxresdefault.jpg
fisharmor
01-13-2015, 01:12 PM
Delegate Lee Ware is from part of Goochland, bills himself as a small government Republican but he's clearly an establishment stooge WRT education.
http://www.delegateleeware.net/ontheissues.htm
Peter Farrell also represents part of Goochland in the House of Delegates.... he only has "promote quality education" on his list of issues (and not much else). I suspect homeschooling is also not on his radar.
http://delegatefarrell.com/issues
Thomas A Garrett Jr. is the state senator, though he doesn't even have a webpage... and he's a former DA, so that means he's likely a morally bereft dirtbag who would rape his own grandmother if it was in the state code... so probably no friends there, either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Garrett,_Jr.
I'm going to lobby day next week, so maybe I'll try to catch up with these three and clarify their position on the matter.
phill4paul
01-13-2015, 01:17 PM
Why does choosing to educate your own offspring have to include a religious exemption from government schools? Could not an atheist choose to home school?
Christian Liberty
01-13-2015, 01:46 PM
Fair enough. However, at 14 I would have gladly accepted the challenge invitation and been proud to present my religious beliefs to them. I credit my enjoyment and skill at public speaking with my parents expecting me to do just that on many occasions.
True. Though my cynical side would be tempted to say that my religion teaches that school boards that are made up of government control freaks are damned to Hell:p
HSLDA got it right. Well done.
Christian Liberty
01-13-2015, 01:47 PM
Why does choosing to educate your own offspring have to include a religious exemption from government schools? Could not an atheist choose to home school?
Just tell them that your religion says that there is NO God, while their religion teaches that the State is God, and that its an irreconcilable religious divide*
*My attempt at humor here in no way means endorsing this nonsense.
Christian Liberty
01-13-2015, 01:47 PM
I would be tempted to say "My religious belief is that all members of school boards are unfit to hold public office."
I didn't read this post when I made mine. Yours is nicer than mine:p
heavenlyboy34
01-13-2015, 02:00 PM
I do not see any correlation between any religion and the ability to learn readin', 'ritin', and 'rithmetics. (or anything else) Yet another central education planning fail.
Anti Federalist
01-13-2015, 02:17 PM
Why does choosing to educate your own offspring have to include a religious exemption from government schools? Could not an atheist choose to home school?
You're asking the wrong questions, mundane.
The more correct question is: "who really owns your children?"
The answer, of course, is that the state owns your children, just like they have claim to everything else in your life.
phill4paul
01-13-2015, 02:20 PM
You're asking the wrong questions, mundane.
The more correct question is: "who really owns your children?"
The answer, of course, is that the state owns your children, just like they have claim to everything else in your life.
Quite right. I just find it interesting that exemptions would be "granted", having children is a privilege after all as you so succinctly point out, only on the basis of religion.
heavenlyboy34
01-13-2015, 02:23 PM
You're asking the wrong questions, mundane.
The more correct question is: "who really owns your children?"
The answer, of course, is that the state owns your children, just like they have claim to everything else in your life.
Yup, this. ^^ Land of The Unfree, Home Of The Slave.
DamianTV
01-13-2015, 04:18 PM
Why does choosing to educate your own offspring have to include a religious exemption from government schools? Could not an atheist choose to home school?
Atheists are eviler than the very mostest evilest devil!
(/sarcasm - I'm an atheist, apparently that doesnt deserve rights...)
satchelmcqueen
01-13-2015, 04:57 PM
i got my old janitor job back a few months ago after a year of their "saving money" efforts failed miserably with a cleaning crew. i only went back because its such an easy job and the schedule is the best. but besides that, i HATE these idiot people in charge at schools. most of them are the biggest dumb asses ive ever met. they actually almost bow down to each other depending on what fucking degree or masters they have. the word "doctor" is thrown around all the time in high regard. i totally understand respecting people, but fuck me in the ass with this shit!!
these school board people and those in charge are usually so full of shit and power hungry, that they really do think they can tell the community at large what to do.
Anti Federalist
01-13-2015, 04:59 PM
Quite right. I just find it interesting that exemptions would be "granted", having children is a privilege after all as you so succinctly point out, only on the basis of religion.
“You have no following, no power, no control, and no right to any control. You are on an Indian reservation merely at the sufferance of the government. You are fed by the government, clothed by the government, your children are educated by the government, and all that you have and are today is because of the government…. The government feeds and clothes and educates your children now, and desires to teach you to become farmers, and to civilize you, and make you as white men.”
- Illinois Republican John Logan to Chief Sitting Bull - 1881.
I have often said that we will all be ******s on the new global plantation.
But maybe "Indians" is a better description.
Change just a couple of phrases, ever so slightly, and this is life for all of us in AmeriKa, 2015.
Anti Federalist
01-13-2015, 05:04 PM
“You have no following, no power, no control, and no right to any control.
You are on your land, or in your home, merely at the sufferance of the government.
You are fed by the government, clothed by the government, your children are educated by the government, and all that you have and are today is because of the government.
The government feeds and clothes and educates your children now, and desires to teach you to be docile and compliant.”
CaptainAmerica
01-13-2015, 05:08 PM
http://wtvr.com/2015/01/09/goochland-parents-upset-about-new-home-school-policy/
I have been doing research this week about a topic I was unaware of in history: Prussian Educational System
Here is what I have found thus far :
Horace Mann lobbied for MA to accept Prussia's educational system in the 1840s, by the early 1900s america implemented nation wide prussian educational systems now known as public education. The aim of Prussian Education System devised by elitists was to remove :tradition,cultural heritage, and family ties.
By removing tradition and family (religion and heritage) the state becomes the new parent.
BSTEP (Behavioral Science Teacher Education Program) was devised and implemented as a prerequisite for anyone wanting to become a teacher.
I recommend a book : "Weapons of Mass Instruction" by John Taylor Gatto. I just began reading it and have already felt like I just peeled away all the bad stuff I felt about my schooling experience in compulsory school for what it really was.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americandeception.com%2Findex .php%3Faction%3Ddownloadpdf%26photo%3DPDFsml_AD%2F Behavioral_Science_Teacher-Education-3pgs-EDU.sml.pdf%26id%3D70&ei=2aO1VN6WINCQyATepYGgAw&usg=AFQjCNHJCgGAFxWgmCChRjyxYW2-N529dg&sig2=N_6eHMl5wkl8Yw7usC89ig&bvm=bv.83339334,d.aWw&cad=rja
BSTEP documents
http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED041868
check my post out
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?466457-the-Prussian-Education-System-the-rise-of-fascism-and-americas-adoption-of-it
CaptainAmerica
01-13-2015, 05:12 PM
Prussian education system is the foundation of eugenics btw.
Occam's Banana
01-13-2015, 07:33 PM
By the unholy teats of Shub-Niggurath!
Here's what I'd tell those bastards:
Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
DamianTV
01-13-2015, 07:49 PM
The ONLY reason that anyone would claim that "you have to tell us what religion you are" is if they think your religious beliefs (or lack thereof) are somehow subject to the approval of anyone other than yourself.
This is why Democracy fails and dies. You are a different religion than what ever the popular religion is? Then you are a Terrorist! Also to be considered is geography, not every country is primarily Christian, or Muslim. It is going to end mandatory Religious Labels, even though many traits of many religions overlap heavily in some areas and not at all in others. Education, like mentioned with the Prussian Empire, is another means of force-feeding ones opinions to the masses. You will believe what your assigned groups demands that you believe, or you are a Terrorist and a Thought Criminal.
heavenlyboy34
01-13-2015, 08:27 PM
speaking of J.T. Gatto: An Underground History Of American Education (must-read free pdf):
http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/ughoae.pdf
euphemia
01-13-2015, 08:58 PM
Part of this is about money. In some states the money follows the child, and if they are home schooled, there is no loss to the district. Most states are not this way, and they are so beholden to teachers' unions and those pesky pension plans that they try to coerce or force parents to surrender their children to the system in order to get the money. So much the better if they can qualify the child as disabled (hence all the ritalin) and eligible for free or reduced-price lunches.
DamianTV
01-14-2015, 01:28 AM
Something popped up in the news the other day that said "We have more Prisons in the USA than we do Colleges". What is the difference? They are ALL mandatory and are all another form of Prison.
It's a clear violation of the free exercise clause of the first amendment and has absolutely nothing to do with education.
nobody's forced to attend public school anyway.
William Tell
01-16-2015, 11:31 AM
Update! :cool:
The Home School Legal Defense Association also weighed in – warning the school district they were in violation of state law and there was no legal ground to force the Pruiett family to do what they had been ordered to do.
“We are still a nation of ‘We the People,’” he wrote. “If liberties are taken away, it is because we did not stand. In a wonderful country like ours, we should desire that all our institutions and policies be characterized by a respect for individual God-given freedoms.”
And that brings us to Jan. 13th when hundreds of parents piled into the Goochland School Board meeting (http://wtvr.com/2015/01/14/goochland-co-school-board-votes-to-repeal-religious-exemption-policy/) to show their support for the Pruietts and other homeschool families in the community.
The school board heard the will of the people and voted to repeal the policy. They also decided to suspend any religious exemption letters that were sent to other families.
It took a village to change what was a very bad policy – but it’s proof positive that “We the People” can still engage the political process.
“The board acted honorably to repeal this thing,” Prueitt told me.
But it’s also a reminder that the government seems to believe they know what’s best for our children.
“We are Christians and we homeschool our children so that we can instill in them Christian values – from an educational standpoint so that they will acknowledge God in every discipline of life,” Pruiett told me. “You’re not going to find that in public schools.”
So let what happened in Goochland County, Virginia serve as a warning to school boards across the fruited plain. “We the People” will not tolerate busybody school marms meddling in the private religious affairs of American school children.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/15/school-district-to-stop-interrogating-christian-homeschool-kids/
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