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Origanalist
01-10-2015, 03:30 PM
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Why would the government want to punish people that are just trying to work hard, become more self-sufficient and take care of their families? There are approximately 3 million preppers in the United States today, and often they appear to be singled out for punishment by bureaucratic control freaks that are horrified at the thought that there are families out there that actually want to try to become less dependent on the system. So if you use alternative methods to heat your home, or if you are not connected to the utility grid, or if you collect rainwater on your property, or if you believe that parents should have the ultimate say when it comes to health decisions for their children, you could become a target for overzealous government enforcers. Once upon a time, America was the land of the free and the home of the brave, but now we are being transformed into a socialist police state where control freak bureaucrats use millions of laws, rules and regulations to crack down on anyone that dares to think for themselves.

For example, people have been burning wood to heat their homes since this country began. And this is still very common in rural areas. But the Obama administration does not like this at all. The Obama bureaucrats at the EPA fear that our little wood stoves may be contributing to “global warming”, so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use. The following comes from a recent Forbes article…


It seems that even wood isn’t green or renewable enough anymore. The EPA has recently banned the production and sale of 80 percent of America’s current wood-burning stoves, the oldest heating method known to mankind and mainstay of rural homes and many of our nation’s poorest residents. The agency’s stringent one-size-fits-all rules apply equally to heavily air-polluted cities and far cleaner plus typically colder off-grid wilderness areas such as large regions of Alaska and the American West.

While EPA’s most recent regulations aren’t altogether new, their impacts will nonetheless be severe. Whereas restrictions had previously banned wood-burning stoves that didn’t limit fine airborne particulate emissions to 15 micrograms per cubic meter of air, the change will impose a maximum 12 microgram limit. To put this amount in context, EPA estimates that secondhand tobacco smoke in a closed car can expose a person to 3,000-4,000 micrograms of particulates per cubic meter.

Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.

Does that make you angry?

It should.

There are other preppers that try to use very “clean” methods to power their homes, but that is still not good enough for some government control freaks.

For example, one prepper down in south Florida that had gone “off the grid” was recently ordered by a court to connect back to the grid or face eviction from his home. The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Guiles Hendrik…


Think you are still free to make choices in your life? Do you think the government will allow you to live independent of their utility monopolies? If you think so, try opting for renewable non-grid tied power and utilize environmentally friendly composting toilets and your own self-sufficient water supply. Today, those life choices could land you in jail if you live in South Florida. Take the case of Robin Speronis.

Robin Speronis has lived off the grid, independent of the city’s water and electric system. A Florida court ruled this off-the-grid living illegal last week and has given Robin until March to connect her home to a municipal water line or face possible eviction. Further, officials in the city of Cape Coral have justified this by deeming Robin’s home “unsanitary,” citing the International Property Maintenance Code. First of all, since when did we begin to locally recognize “international codes?” Where in the US Constitution does it provide for international jurisdiction over local codes? Ironically, this “international” code mandates that homes be connected to an electricity grid and a running water source, even though most of the world lives without reliable electricity and municipal water and sewer. Further, the code is outdated and obsolete because it was written without consideration to both old and new technologies that relegate the need for grid tied power and municipal water as unnecessary and expensive; especially, in locations where it simply isn’t feasible to have grid tied utilities. Nonetheless, Speronis’ home does in fact have power and water through far cheaper and more environmentally friendly means — solar panels and rainwater, but that reality is ignored by the local government.

Incredibly, most Americans still seem to believe that we live in a “free country”. But we don’t. Our lives are very tightly constrained by literally millions of laws, rules and regulations, and more are being added every single day.

continued....http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/america-government-officials-cracking-preppers

donnay
01-10-2015, 03:39 PM
Control freaks are an understatement. :mad:

Anti Federalist
01-10-2015, 04:08 PM
Regulation without Representation.

oyarde
01-10-2015, 05:05 PM
Screw the govt

Working Poor
01-10-2015, 05:08 PM
Do what you can folks but try not to loose hope.

donnay
01-10-2015, 05:18 PM
I already started a thread with this video...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A542a7b97-0000-2e58-9d9f-001a113cf4d8&feature=iv&src_vid=yJEvlKKm6og&v=9pnqWGBYP7Q

As the Tom Petty songs says...

"I Won't Back Down"

Well I won't back down, no I won't back down
You could stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down

Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won't back down

[Chorus:]
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won't back down

Well I know what's right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down

Hey baby there ain't no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won't back down
No, I won't back down

phill4paul
01-10-2015, 05:27 PM
Preppers for the most part are isolationists. I don't mean that in a bad way. I'm just saying that they try to get off the grid and not be bothered by society at large. I know I am that way. This is kind of unfortunate. If they created a support system, against the "system," they would be better served. There are 1 million government enforcers. There is, according to the article, 3 million preppers. Solzhenitsyn's quote comes to mind. We may have to start thinking upon these lines of his. Sooner rather than later.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

heavenlyboy34
01-10-2015, 05:34 PM
Do what you can folks but try not to loose hope.

Who is this Hope lady you speak of, and how do I loosen her? ;) :D

heavenlyboy34
01-10-2015, 05:41 PM
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Police-State-Big-Brother-Prison-Grid-Public-Domain-300x300.jpg

Why would the government want to punish people that are just trying to work hard, become more self-sufficient and take care of their families? There are approximately 3 million preppers in the United States today, and often they appear to be singled out for punishment by bureaucratic control freaks that are horrified at the thought that there are families out there that actually want to try to become less dependent on the system. So if you use alternative methods to heat your home, or if you are not connected to the utility grid, or if you collect rainwater on your property, or if you believe that parents should have the ultimate say when it comes to health decisions for their children, you could become a target for overzealous government enforcers. Once upon a time, America was the land of the free and the home of the brave, but now we are being transformed into a socialist police state where control freak bureaucrats use millions of laws, rules and regulations to crack down on anyone that dares to think for themselves.

For example, people have been burning wood to heat their homes since this country began. And this is still very common in rural areas. But the Obama administration does not like this at all. The Obama bureaucrats at the EPA fear that our little wood stoves may be contributing to “global warming”, so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use. The following comes from a recent Forbes article…



Does that make you angry?

It should.

There are other preppers that try to use very “clean” methods to power their homes, but that is still not good enough for some government control freaks.

For example, one prepper down in south Florida that had gone “off the grid” was recently ordered by a court to connect back to the grid or face eviction from his home. The following is an excerpt from a recent article by Guiles Hendrik…



Incredibly, most Americans still seem to believe that we live in a “free country”. But we don’t. Our lives are very tightly constrained by literally millions of laws, rules and regulations, and more are being added every single day.

continued....http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/america-government-officials-cracking-preppers

Does this apply to people who own their homes outright or just to folks paying down a mortgage? If it's the latter, it's an understandable situation. In that position, you're not technically the owner-whoever holds the ownership papers does.

phill4paul
01-10-2015, 05:49 PM
Does this apply to people who own their homes outright or just to folks paying down a mortgage? If it's the latter, it's an understandable situation. In that position, you're not technically the owner-whoever holds the ownership papers does.

You don't own your home. Unless your local government has no property taxes you are merely leasing it. Aside from that "da rules are da rules." Even if you own your property outright it is located within the Great Union and bound by it's, and anyone else it sees fit, rules and regulations.

dannno
01-10-2015, 05:56 PM
Most wood stoves that warm cabin and home residents from coast-to-coast can’t meet that standard. Older stoves that don’t cannot be traded in for updated types, but instead must be rendered inoperable, destroyed, or recycled as scrap metal.

Wow, I thought they only had to stop selling the old kind...

heavenlyboy34
01-10-2015, 06:18 PM
You don't own your home. Unless your local government has no property taxes you are merely leasing it. Aside from that "da rules are da rules." Even if you own your property outright it is located within the Great Union and bound by it's, and anyone else it sees fit, rules and regulations.

Well said! Thanks for amending my post. :) ~hugs~ One of the greatest tricks the Constitutionalists pulled on The People (TM) is to let them have the illusion of owning something. It's a cool deception because it's so similar to the 17th century Puritan experiments in private land ownership.

kahless
01-10-2015, 07:10 PM
For example, people have been burning wood to heat their homes since this country began. And this is still very common in rural areas. But the Obama administration does not like this at all. The Obama bureaucrats at the EPA fear that our little wood stoves may be contributing to “global warming”, so they have outlawed the production and sale of 80 percent of the wood stoves that are currently in use.

Yet the power plant next to me can simply just trade pollution credits to continue to pollute my property with loads of soot on the roof, shingles and that eats away the paint on my car. They can also get away with not paying property taxes and also filing property tax grievances to get what they paid in already back which ultimately is bankrupting the town and putting the property tax burden on everyone else in the community.

But they go after the little guy with the wood stove and will put him out on the street over property taxes.

I bet if that same company some how put in a gigantic wood stove owned by a mega-corporation or monopoly related to one of the many Oligarch families that run this country then of course that particular wood stove wood be exempt from any rules or they would be able to trade pollution credits.

tod evans
01-10-2015, 07:16 PM
Power plants are necessary to run cities so the real question is why do we need cities?

The damn bureaucrats and politicians all live in 'em and that should be enough to wall 'em off and flood them.....

Working Poor
01-10-2015, 07:35 PM
Who is this Hope lady you speak of, and how do I loosen her? ;) :D

I still owe you an ass whipping boy :D

heavenlyboy34
01-10-2015, 08:06 PM
I still owe you an ass whipping boy :D

I'll keep my ass on standby, waiting for a-whipping. :D

69360
01-10-2015, 09:06 PM
Don't live in a big city.

You can burn, poop or get water anywhere you please here. Hopefully not in the same spot...

Anti Federalist
01-11-2015, 02:50 PM
Regulation without Representation.

Got the following in neg rep:


Yes, I'm neg repping you. "taxation/Regulation without Representation" is statist propaganda. I use "Taxation/regulation without consent"

Valid point.

CaptainAmerica
01-11-2015, 03:04 PM
lol prepper. Isn't that funny what people have labeled themselves, and the government didn't even have to do that.

Mani
01-13-2015, 04:27 AM
If I remember correctly Cape Coral was one of those Real Estate Bubble cities. Thousands of new homes and nicely plotted out areas I remember driving through in 2007 with the price of these empty homes and empty plots increasing every 15 minutes.

And then BOOM those empty homes became worthless, and a lot of these places became ghost towns. I'm wondering if this whole thing is a way to get this lady to pay a minimum FEE just to hook up. They need that revenue.

I remember when I had my home, it was empty for MONTHS unoccupied and I was still paying $40 a month or so just as the minimum fee each utility bill, even though I wasn't using any water or electricity.

You think the city is going to let her skip out on that? Plus with plenty of empty neighborhoods, they are going to want to go after the homeowners that actually are around.