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donnay
01-03-2015, 01:36 PM
See This Guy Get Through a DUI Checkpoint Without Saying a Word
Thanks to What He Hung Out His Car Window...

by Zach Noble | The Blaze | January 3, 2015


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqEXTVe7MCQ


Continued... (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/03/see-this-guy-get-through-a-dui-checkpoint-without-saying-a-word-thanks-to-what-he-hung-out-his-car-window/)

69360
01-03-2015, 01:50 PM
Seems like a good idea.

donnay
01-03-2015, 01:55 PM
The problem is, it still violates the 4th amendment--we are becoming conditioned to showing our papers. :(

A Son of Liberty
01-03-2015, 01:57 PM
I wonder what happens when a power tripping cop yanks your Fair DUI Flyer out of the window, and leaves you without your license and registration? Better make copies and use them, rather than the real deal.

A Son of Liberty
01-03-2015, 01:58 PM
The problem is, it still violates the 4th amendment--we are becoming conditioned to showing our papers. :(

Even better point. Thanks.

Crashland
01-03-2015, 02:02 PM
The other important point they did not mention is to being multiple cameras (preferably, uploading online in realtime). If you don't have proof, they can always just claim you rolled down your window even if you didn't.

69360
01-03-2015, 02:28 PM
The problem is, it still violates the 4th amendment--we are becoming conditioned to showing our papers. :(

He didn't show anything they couldn't have found out by running his plates anyway.

GunnyFreedom
01-03-2015, 04:03 PM
Truth be told, the likely reason they let him through completely unmolested is they figured just by looking at it it was a YouTube stunt by a liberty person. We've kinda become a trope by now.

GunnyFreedom
01-03-2015, 04:05 PM
"hmm,,, weird legally-worded flyer, meeting all the legal necessities for this checkstop, car with multiple people inside, cameras in evidence.... yeah these people aren't drunk, they are fishing for something crazy to put on YouTube.... Let 'em go, I don't feel like being crazy on YouTube tonight."

SeanTX
01-03-2015, 04:14 PM
I wonder what happens when a power tripping cop yanks your Fair DUI Flyer out of the window, and leaves you without your license and registration? Better make copies and use them, rather than the real deal.

Hell, they could open your car door, or break out the window (has been done) , pull your ass out, and kill you on the spot and it would be "justified."

As more and more proles get "uppity" and demand their rights there will be a lot more of that happening ... but, things have to get worse before they can get better ..

69360
01-03-2015, 04:19 PM
"hmm,,, weird legally-worded flyer, meeting all the legal necessities for this checkstop, car with multiple people inside, cameras in evidence.... yeah these people aren't drunk, they are fishing for something crazy to put on YouTube.... Let 'em go, I don't feel like being crazy on YouTube tonight."

Probably true. These stunts are well know by now.

Matt Collins
01-03-2015, 05:29 PM
Truth be told, the likely reason they let him through completely unmolested is they figured just by looking at it it was a YouTube stunt by a liberty person. We've kinda become a trope by now.

EXACTLY!



One LEO even says so explicitly in this video from last week:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhbDlLPfxQ&feature=youtu.be



Now, just imagine if more people had the courage and knowledge to do this every time they were unjustly pulled over by the police...

BUSHLIED
01-03-2015, 06:55 PM
The problem is, it still violates the 4th amendment--we are becoming conditioned to showing our papers.



Not sure I see it that way. The paper he is showing is conditioning him to exercise his right in a very specific manner. I believe that the problem here. I believe the Supreme Court has interpreted a recent criminal case that if a person does not invoke very specifically his or her rights then they have been waived or otherwise would not have put a police officier on notice, then the police did not do something wrong.

I suspect the average American understands they have "rights" but they do not know how to constitutionally invoke them. The paper held up does that very clearly. So the problem is that the courts are demanding that people exercise their rights a "proper way" versus holding police accountable to recognizing people rights and changes THEIR behaviors. Placing the burden on the people.

So far, I have not had to go through a check-point so we'll what happens.

Indy Vidual
01-03-2015, 09:06 PM
See This Guy Get Through a DUI Checkpoint Without Saying a Word
Thanks to What He Hung Out His Car Window...

by Zach Noble | The Blaze | January 3, 2015


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqEXTVe7MCQ


Continued... (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/03/see-this-guy-get-through-a-dui-checkpoint-without-saying-a-word-thanks-to-what-he-hung-out-his-car-window/)

+1776
Is freedom learning how to win?

Matt Collins
01-03-2015, 09:18 PM
+1776
Is freedom learning how to win?
It's a step in the right direction, but even having the checkpoints in the first place, or being asked to produce ID without reasonable suspicion / probable cause is an abomination to liberty.

GunnyFreedom
01-03-2015, 09:24 PM
EXACTLY!



One LEO even says so explicitly in this video from last week:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhbDlLPfxQ&feature=youtu.be



Now, just imagine if more people had the courage and knowledge to do this every time they were unjustly pulled over by the police...

CopBlocking would probably get me in so much trouble. If I had known that that was the pepper spray guy like he did, when he said "have a nice day" I would have had to been a jackass and said "you don't" or something equally flip that might have gotten me sprayed and beaten lol. When I ran into these things while campaigning I gave them lectures and tried to give them Constitutions, but they all said they weren't allowed to take them. Heh.

KCIndy
01-03-2015, 09:45 PM
"The second you open your window, they can say they smell alcohol.... the second you talk to them, they can claim they think your speech is slurred..."

That's great, but what happens when they're using dogs? Dogs can be trained to "alert" upon very subtle commands by the handler. I'm guessing that in this particular instance the Sheriff's Department guys are guessing - as Gunny notes - that they're dealing with liberty activists and no one wants to have to mess with going all nine rounds for no good reason.

I'm thrilled it worked for these guys - I really am. But I doubt if this trick would work so well with some of the Federal agencies like the Border Patrol, who run dogs all the time and seem to get a real thrill from handing out beat-downs.

jmdrake
01-03-2015, 10:33 PM
EXACTLY!



One LEO even says so explicitly in this video from last week:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhbDlLPfxQ&feature=youtu.be



Now, just imagine if more people had the courage and knowledge to do this every time they were unjustly pulled over by the police...

LOL that he knew the cops name already. That's gotta scare the mess out of LEO.

PRB
01-03-2015, 10:38 PM
Hanging your DL outside your window is hardly easier, safer or more avoidant than saying a few words.

Why didn't he do the old "I don't need a driver license to drive" trick?

PRB
01-03-2015, 10:39 PM
The problem is, it still violates the 4th amendment--we are becoming conditioned to showing our papers. :(

Exactly, instead of being asked to show his license, he just automatically displayed it to them. So hooray for the guy who found a way to consent to stops and ID checks without using his mouth, we know the saying, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER.

PaulConventionWV
01-04-2015, 01:04 AM
Truth be told, the likely reason they let him through completely unmolested is they figured just by looking at it it was a YouTube stunt by a liberty person. We've kinda become a trope by now.

Good enough for me. If it works, what's the difference?

GunnyFreedom
01-04-2015, 01:09 AM
Good enough for me. If it works, what's the difference?

Cop thinks it's a YouTube stunt, doesn't want to get on YouTube. Go along your way.

Cop thinks it's a drunk trying to get out of a DUI, broken glass, tasers and batons ensue.

satchelmcqueen
01-04-2015, 02:25 AM
ok!!!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfXcVcO52E4

osan
01-04-2015, 07:06 AM
Not sure I see it that way. The paper he is showing is conditioning him to exercise his right in a very specific manner. I believe that the problem here. I believe the Supreme Court has interpreted a recent criminal case that if a person does not invoke very specifically his or her rights then they have been waived or otherwise would not have put a police officier on notice, then the police did not do something wrong.

I suspect the average American understands they have "rights" but they do not know how to constitutionally invoke them. The paper held up does that very clearly. So the problem is that the courts are demanding that people exercise their rights a "proper way" versus holding police accountable to recognizing people rights and changes THEIR behaviors. Placing the burden on the people.


This is precisely correct. We ought not have to invoke them under such circumstances. The fact that we have to defend ourselves from the whim and caprice of these dangerous mobsters known as "cops" is a fundamental and very serious problem. SCOTUS are an unreliable raft, getting their rulings and opinions wrong at least as often as they get them partially right.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I am wondering whether the flyer might be improved:




I remain silent.

If you articulate your reasonable suspicion or probable cause for demanding my ID, I will produce them.

If you do not, am I free to go?

If I am not free to go, on what basis are you detaining me?

I want my lawyer.

You are being recorded.

[Leave the other, relevant cites for respective states intact.]




Just off the top of me pointy.

Thoughts?

osan
01-04-2015, 07:11 AM
Cop thinks it's a drunk trying to get out of a DUI, broken glass, tasers and batons ensue.

A sucky outcome to be sure, but one that could potentially cost them significantly... not that they give a tinker's damn at the moment of truth.

The real hazard here, of course, is the roid rage gets out of hand and either they maim you viciously or just say "fuck it, I don't have time for this" and kill you outright.

Schifference
01-04-2015, 07:35 AM
I would bet if you were by yourself and pretty f*cked up the outcome might be different.

tmg19103
01-04-2015, 07:39 AM
Some states require you to roll down your window at least a bit. Some don't. I live in PA and you don't have to. Last two DUI checkpoints I went through I did not roll down my window and stared straight ahead with saying anything and ignored the cop tapping on my window. Both times the cop called a supervisor over and after a few minutes of me staring straight ahead with my window closed they let me go. And I don't even drink alcohol, so that was not a concern.

Now, be careful with this as some states require to to at least roll your window down a bit. I have cameras all over my car that record to the cloud. I'm just waiting for these bozos to smash my window and falsely arrest me so I can get it all over YouTube and publicly shame them, but so far I give them begrudging credit for handling it properly.

Dianne
01-04-2015, 09:42 AM
lol that was pretty damn cool.

presence
01-04-2015, 09:45 AM
+1776
Is freedom learning how to win?



YES! VICTIM MENTALITY IS WHY PEOPLE ARE VICTIMIZED BY THE STATE!

PRB
01-04-2015, 07:16 PM
Cop thinks it's a YouTube stunt, doesn't want to get on YouTube. Go along your way.

Cop thinks it's a drunk trying to get out of a DUI, broken glass, tasers and batons ensue.

Good point, my next stunt will be me holding a sign "This is a youtube stunt" I swear it'll go well!

PRB
01-04-2015, 07:17 PM
lol that was pretty damn cool.

giving your license before being asked is far from cool and not at all more private than waiting to be asked and "saying words".