Fewest Mexicans Apprehended At Border Since 1970

[Zippyjuan]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/first-time-more-non-mexicans-apprehended-u-s-mexico-border-n276941


For First Time, More Non-Mexicans Apprehended at U.S.-Mexico Border

More non-Mexicans than Mexicans were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border in 2014 - a historic first according to more than 60 years of Border Patrol data analyzed by the Pew Research Center.

According to the report, 229,000 Mexicans were apprehended at the border in 2014, compared to 259,000 non-Mexicans. While border apprehensions were up 16 percent over 2013- primarily due to the surge of Central American children crossing earlier this year - the numbers are far lower than the 809,000 Mexican apprehensions in 2007 and 1.6 million in 2000.

The figures are yet another indicator of the decline in migration from Mexico following the Great Recession. At the same time, undocumented immigrants from Mexico currently in the U.S. have been in the country for a median of 13 years, reflecting the large migration patterns of the past decades.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6HniReCIAAyWmF.png:large

[CaptainAmerica]

big deal, americans aren't willing to lock down their government actions so what does this matter?

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."-George Orwell

[Ronin Truth]

I'm anti-criminal aliens from wherever, not anti-Mexican.

[dannno]

I'm anti-criminal aliens from wherever, not anti-Mexican.

I can understand how somebody crossing onto your property might be problem, not sure how it is a problem for people to cross an imaginary line thousands of miles away from your own home?

[Ronin Truth]

I can understand how somebody crossing onto your property might be problem, not sure how it is a problem for people to cross an imaginary line thousands of miles away from your own home?

Just conforming to the current world paradigm reality of countries (geography) and borders and playing the game until the libertarian/anarchy nirvana is at least on the distant horizon. ;) :D

[puppetmaster]

Just conforming to the current world paradigm reality of countries (geography) and borders and playing the game until the libertarian/anarchy nirvana is at least on the distant horizon. ;) :D

you sir are a dreamer!!.

ask Danno how well it is working for California......that state just keeps getting worse and worse..soon to be competing with Detroit

[dannno]

you sir are a dreamer!!.

ask Danno how well it is working for California......that state just keeps getting worse and worse..soon to be competing with Detroit

It's not bad because Mexicans are moving here so they can work, it is bad because of the socialism.

[DamianTV]

And what percentage of people are coming for our Free Welfare, not our Jobs? A stat like that could be quite revealing...

[dannno]

And what percentage of people are coming for our Free Welfare, not our Jobs? A stat like that could be quite revealing...

It's all water under the bridge, they came about three decades ago in the first wave and then two decades ago was the beginning of the second wave... that second wave pretty much ended about a decade ago before the economy crashed.

There are almost as many or more leaving back to Mexico than are coming here now..

[Ronin Truth]

you sir are a dreamer!!.

ask Danno how well it is working for California......that state just keeps getting worse and worse..soon to be competing with Detroit

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Gandhi

[DamianTV]

It's all water under the bridge, they came about three decades ago in the first wave and then two decades ago was the beginning of the second wave... that second wave pretty much ended about a decade ago before the economy crashed.

There are almost as many or more leaving back to Mexico than are coming here now..

That is true, but also not the whole story. The other part of the Thread Title doesnt account for those crossing the border from other countries, just Mexicans from Mexico. We still get people from Peru, Guatemala, Panama, and all other South American and Central American countries. Also the first line of Zippy's quote. You are right tho that they come in waves, and many, once here, or that have been here for a long time, have found that what we have turned into is not compatible with either liberty or self sustainability. Hope the fence, no jobs, leave. Grass isnt always greener...

[Schifference]

I bet if the Mexicans decided they did not want us in Mexico they could do a better job keeping us out than we do/did keeping them out.

[HVACTech]

I'm anti-criminal aliens from wherever, not anti-Mexican.

OMG, I love that!


I'm anti-criminal aliens

t'aint no arguing with that logic!
do you have a special gun? that only kilz mexicans..
and not Native Americans?

:toady:

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm anti-criminal aliens from wherever, not anti-Mexican.
"I own me, you own you."

Seems odd that you recognize the authority of the state in immigration matters.

Meh.

[kcchiefs6465]

you sir are a dreamer!!.

ask Danno how well it is working for California......that state just keeps getting worse and worse..soon to be competing with Detroit
I am curious as to the percentage of Hispanic immigrants vs. 'native' Californians.

I would be curious as to the percentage of voting Hispanic immigrants vs. 'native' Californians.

I think mostly I am curious as to the percentage of immigrants vs. 'native' inhabitants of Detroit with regards to voting and enabling it to become the crime ridden shit hole that it is.

[Zippyjuan]

And what percentage of people are coming for our Free Welfare, not our Jobs? A stat like that could be quite revealing...

I would have to find the figures but illegal immigrants have a higher workforce participation rate than citizens do. Something like 75% vs 65%.

The number of people on welfare has been rising yet the number of illegal immigrants has been going down (from 12.3 million in 2007 to 10.3 million today). Maybe it isn't the welfare.

[Lord Xar]

That is because most of them are already here...

[TruckinMike]

Just to clear the air of bullshit=> most statistics are all crap. ALL but a few illegals get on (state) welfare, especially true if they bring children or have children while in the US. And Their family/friends help set them up with a place to live, and necessary welfare paperwork. They give fake names, use multiple Mexican consulate ID's, and go to different state welfare offices to sign up for food stamps, etc.. Many of them run food vending business, and some of them run real restuarants. And damn near all of the ones that vote....vote for more handouts (just listen to the spanish radio stations). The ghost of Karl Marx runs strong with these folks from south of the border. Open borders + democracy = death to freedom. And no, we don't live in a republic (any more).
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Fact: Open border libertarians are suicidal. Unless you are from the north east, then you are just freedom murderers by proxy....;)

[Ronin Truth]

"I own me, you own you."

Seems odd that you recognize the authority of the state in immigration matters.

Meh.Non-sequitur!

It's actually much more a logical, rational recognition of power and threatened violence potential than it is of any legitimate authority on all state-claimed matters.

(You really do need to work on your lame spin-meister trainee skills.)

[CaptainAmerica]

the biggest enemy to freedom is not from outside, thats for sure, its the idiot next door who licks boots,hates the 2nd amendment, hates protestors,loves police militarization and supports more big government action

[Zippyjuan]

Just to clear the air of bullshit=> most statistics are all crap. ALL but a few illegals get on (state) welfare, especially true if they bring children or have children while in the US. And Their family/friends help set them up with a place to live, and necessary welfare paperwork. They give fake names, use multiple Mexican consulate ID's, and go to different state welfare offices to sign up for food stamps, etc.. Many of them run food vending business, and some of them run real restuarants. And damn near all of the ones that vote....vote for more handouts (just listen to the spanish radio stations). The ghost of Karl Marx runs strong with these folks from south of the border. Open borders + democracy = death to freedom. And no, we don't live in a republic (any more).
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Fact: Open border libertarians are suicidal. Unless you are from the north east, then you are just freedom murderers by proxy....;)

Evidence to support your claim? (Oh yeah- statistics lie- unless they agree with what you want to see)

Perhaps we should expand the military/ police state to deal with the problem. We need thousands more to guard the borders (even though there has been no net increase in illegal immigrants since 2007). Then we need to deal with those already here. Police to stop people on the street or at their jobs and double check their papers to be sure they are legal and not using fake IDs. And yes, we need to see your ID as well. Step over here please. Taxes can be raised to pay for this. Surely that will increase our civil liberties and lead to smaller government and taxes. More freedom for all!

[Ronin Truth]

How does Mexico handle it's criminal aliens?

[Zippyjuan]

They beam them back up to their planets.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=461


Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien residing anywhere in the country. Mexican immigration authorities keep detailed records of all foreign visitors. These visitors are explicitly banned from interfering in the nation's internal politics. Those who enter the country under false pretenses (e.g., with fake papers) are summarily incarcerated or deported, and those who aid in illegal immigration are also sent to prison.


Mexican guards at the Guatemalan border, the locale for most attempts at illegal entry, are notorious for the brutality of their treatment of would-be immigrants. The guards' use of violence, rape, and extortion against those seeking to cross into Mexico has, in fact, managed the border so well that the country has only a minimal illegal-immigration problem.

[jmdrake]

So how much of this is due to lack of enforcement under the current administration?

[Ronin Truth]

They beam them back up to their planets.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=mexican+immigration+laws&gbv=2&oq=Mexican+im&gs_l=heirloom-hp.1.3.0l10.3812.9234.0.14265.10.8.0.0.0.0.1109.27 50.6-2j1.3.0.msedr...0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..7.3.2750.ckx0hrGR6BQ

[Zippyjuan]

So how much of this is due to lack of enforcement under the current administration?

Good question. How much of the lower number of illegal immigrants in the country IS due to Obama?

One survey: http://www.nationaljournal.com/next-america/policy/why-immigrants-boomerang-to-mexico-20140117


A historic wave of immigration from Mexico has dried up in recent years. A 2012 report by the Pew Research Center found that net migration to the U.S. from Mexico had reached net zero and was possibly moving in reverse.

There are several reasons for the shift, with the struggling U.S. economy and a plummeting birth rate in Mexico at the top of the list.

"Things are changing," said Eduardo Medina Mora, the Mexican ambassador to the U.S., before the release of the data at the Wilson Center in Washington. "As numbers show, Mexico will not be a major source of immigrants to the U.S. in the future."

The new data came from the binational non-profit Mexicans and Americans Thinking Together, which surveyed 600 migrants who had left the U.S. and moved to the Mexican state of Jalisco. The state has the highest volume of return migrants, according to researchers.

Here are some of the major findings from the MATT study:

1. Immigrants still come for jobs. While a strong majority cited family and nostalgia as a reason to return home to Mexico, the impetus for traveling to the U.S. in the first place was largely economic. Most migrants placed jobs and salary as their main reasons for heading north.

2. Record deportations aren't changing minds. One finding questions the idea that harsh immigration policies will drive undocumented immigrants back to their home countries. Although 77 percent of the respondents said they entered the country as undocumented immigrants, only a small percentage — 4.3 percent — said they returned to Mexico because of fear of deportation. And despite soaring levels of deportations under the Obama administration, only one-in-ten respondents said they left the U.S. because they were deported. Roughly 90 percent chose to return home.

3. Most migrants never intended to stay in the U.S. One explanation for the high levels of migrants returning to Mexico is that they never intended to stay in the U.S. in the first place. Only 16 percent of those surveyed said they planned to stay in the states permanently. Aracely Garcia-Granados, the executive director of MATT, suggested that migrants might have gone home even sooner if not for the elevated levels of border enforcement since the terrorist attack on Sept. 11. "The moment the border was closed...it was harder for them to go back to Mexico and come back," she said. "So we assumed that one of the environmental factors was that if it was harder, and they had a good job here, they decided that it would be best for them to stay here."

4. Families are being split apart. While many migrants returned to Mexico because of family, they also left family behind in the U.S. More than half of those survey — 54 percent — said they had family in the states. The policy implication of this trend is pretty clear: Mexican-Americans make up the biggest percentage of immigrants in the U.S., and if more migrants are returning home, families will eventually want to have easier access to visas that will allow them to be together.

5. Returning migrants like the United States. A whopping 88 percent said that their experience in the U.S. was positive. And even with the high percentage of respondents who were undocumented, they had a positive view of law enforcement and said they didn't blame the U.S. for their legal status.

Tighter border enforcement caused more to stay who might have come for a while and returned home.

[jmdrake]

Good question. How much of the lower number of illegal immigrants in the country IS due to Obama?

Yeah. You've got a point. With him as president I wouldn't want to come here either.

[Ronin Truth]

It's all still just a ruse. The NAU is on track and full speed ahead. :mad:

[HVACTech]

Non-sequitur!

It's actually much more a logical, rational recognition of power and threatened violence potential than it is of any legitimate authority on all state-claimed matters.

(You really do need to work on your lame spin-meister trainee skills.)

:rolleyes:

[Zippyjuan]

It's all still just a ruse. The NAU is on track and full speed ahead. :mad:

Faster than a speeding turtle. More powerful than a leaping slug.

[Ronin Truth]

Faster than a speeding turtle. More powerful than a leaping slug.


https://www.google.com/search?q=north+american+union&hl=en&gbv=2&oq=&gs_l=

[kcchiefs6465]

Non-sequitur!

It's actually much more a logical, rational recognition of power and threatened violence potential than it is of any legitimate authority on all state-claimed matters.

(You really do need to work on your lame spin-meister trainee skills.)
You must have missed the part where the overwhelming majority of your neighbors wish to steal from you for trivial reasons. Or force 'laws' onto you.

Or is it the idea of American culture fading that worries you?

[PRB]

Proof that Obama is a communist. If more Mexicans are apprehended Obama is a racist, if less, he's a communist and useless tool. Either way he's a tool and an evil President whether he does more or does less.

[oyarde]

Proof that Obama is a communist. If more Mexicans are apprehended Obama is a racist, if less, he's a communist and useless tool. Either way he's a tool and an evil President whether he does more or does less.

You think he is not a communist ?

[otherone]

You think he is not a communist ?

What does that even mean these days?

[pcosmar]

You think he is not a communist ?

I don't think he is a communist.
I think he is an Elitist. An Elitist Socialist.
Just like Jeb Bush.

[PRB]

You think he is not a communist ?

Of course I think he's communist, did I sound sarcastic in any way?

[PRB]

What does that even mean these days?

It means you believe everybody should be equal, except if you can get ahead, then you're more equal than others.

[Ronin Truth]

You must have missed the part where the overwhelming majority of your neighbors wish to steal from you for trivial reasons. Or force 'laws' onto you.

Or is it the idea of American culture fading that worries you? Do the words "false dichotomy" have any meaning, at all, for you?

[TruckinMike]

Evidence to support your claim? (Oh yeah- statistics lie- unless they agree with what you want to see)

Perhaps we should expand the military/ police state to deal with the problem. We need thousands more to guard the borders (even though there has been no net increase in illegal immigrants since 2007). Then we need to deal with those already here. Police to stop people on the street or at their jobs and double check their papers to be sure they are legal and not using fake IDs. And yes, we need to see your ID as well. Step over here please. Taxes can be raised to pay for this. Surely that will increase our civil liberties and lead to smaller government and taxes. More freedom for all!

I never mentioned a solution. But if you want one I'll give you one. Stop all welfare and Stop funding public education. Let the free market competition ensue....game over... I win.

[PRB]

Faster than a speeding turtle. More powerful than a leaping slug.

there's evidences!!!

they put it on hold after Obama got on though!

http://www.peaktraffic.org/graphics/nasco-naftasuperhighway.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~ejwoodall/Amero_front.jpg

[Ronin Truth]

there's evidences!!!

they put it on hold after Obama got on though!

http://www.peaktraffic.org/graphics/nasco-naftasuperhighway.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~ejwoodall/Amero_front.jpg

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17705-obama-presses-north-american-union-with-mexico-canada