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Zippyjuan
12-24-2014, 01:31 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/24/federal-judge-throws-out-lawsuit-by-sheriff-joe-against-obama-immigration-plan/


WASHINGTON – A federal judge on Tuesday night rejected an Arizona sheriff's lawsuit seeking to halt President Barack Obama's plan to spare nearly 5 million people from deportation.

Refusing to rule on the merits of the case, U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell said the role of courts is not to engage in policymaking that is better left to the political branches of government.

The case brought by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio "raises important questions regarding the impact of illegal immigration on this nation, but the questions amount to generalized grievances which are not proper for the judiciary to address," Howell wrote.

The sheriff filed a notice of appeal saying that he will pursue the case in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

White House spokesman Eric Schultz said the court correctly dismissed the lawsuit.

"Judge Howell's decision today confirms what the Department of Justice and scholars throughout the country have been saying all along: the president's executive actions on immigration are lawful," Schultz said. "The Supreme Court and Congress have made clear that federal officials can set priorities in enforcing our immigration laws, and the actions announced by the president are consistent with those taken by administrations of both parties for the last half century."

In the first courtroom battle over Obama's plan, Arpaio's lawyer Larry Klayman said Monday that the president violated the Constitution by doing an end-run around Congress. He argued that the program would let more immigrants enter the country illegally, burdening law enforcement as some commit crimes.

"It's not policy, he's creating law and he cannot do that under the U.S. Constitution," Klayman said of Obama.

In Monday's courtroom argument, Justice Department lawyer Kathleen Hartnett said Arpaio's lawsuit seemed to be raising a "political dispute" rather than a legal claim the court could address -- a position which Howell subsequently embraced in her decision.

Arpaio has often clashed with the federal government over the enforcement of immigration laws and he has filed suit to stop new policies announced by Obama. He claims that more than 35 percent of immigrants living in Maricopa County illegally who wound up in Arpaio's jails in 2014 were repeat offenders, signifying in the sheriff's view that federal officials have done a poor job of deporting criminals.

Under the program, the Homeland Security Department would prioritize the removal of immigrants who present threats to national security, public safety or border security.

At issue in the current dispute is the executive branch's use on a massive scale of an enforcement tool known as "deferred action" to implement enforcement policies and priorities.

In the context of the immigration laws, deferred action represents a decision by the Homeland Security Department not to seek the removal of an immigrant for a set period of time.

Even an ongoing threat to Arpaio by undocumented immigrants would not provide him with standing to challenge the deferred action programs at issue, Howell wrote. "The plaintiff must not only show that he is injured, but that the plaintiff's injury is fairly traceable to the challenged deferred action programs and that the injury is capable of redress by this court in this action."

In a separate lawsuit, Texas and 23 other states allege that Obama overstepped his constitutional powers in a way that will only worsen the humanitarian problems along the southern U.S. border. That suit is pending in a federal district court in Brownsville.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 01:48 PM
Arpaio is even more of a scumbag than Obama (though at a smaller scale.) He tortures his prisoners and justifies it by saying "US troops go through worse and they didn't commit any crimes" (lol: Arpaio needs to read Laurence Vance...)

bubbleboy
12-24-2014, 02:36 PM
wow. Joe likes torture. ok, whatever. Is this about Joe's integrity or illegal invasion?

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 03:04 PM
wow. Joe likes torture. ok, whatever. Is this about Joe's integrity or illegal invasion?

Is immigration "invasion"?

I don't like the way its being done (for one thing, the welfare state) but I don't see why preventing people from immigrating here is OK.

RandallFan
12-24-2014, 03:10 PM
Hopefully Arpaio and Klayman are using this to fundraise to beat McCain in 2016.

McCain ally and Treason Magazine posterboy Jeff Flake's son left dogs in a sealed room in the desert. His other son calls himself n-word killer.

puppetmaster
12-24-2014, 03:16 PM
Is immigration "invasion"?

I don't like the way its being done (for one thing, the welfare state) but I don't see why preventing people from immigrating here is OK. Well as you cant have both welfare and open borders. Not without destroying freedom. So no I don't think it is ok to allow open immigration until welfare stops first.

Weston White
12-24-2014, 03:37 PM
Is immigration "invasion"?

I don't like the way its being done (for one thing, the welfare state) but I don't see why preventing people from immigrating here is OK.

1. No necessarily if it is done right, but unlawful immigration left unchecked that is a definite invasion.

2. It is OK because their loyalties lie with socialism or communism. Ultimately, these people will sell out our national heritage and vote away each of our birthrights all in exchange for a crummy part-time job, a local Walmart, crummy healthcare, and a few Macdonald's Value Meals.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 04:16 PM
1. No necessarily if it is done right, but unlawful immigration left unchecked that is a definite invasion.

2. It is OK because their loyalties lie with socialism or communism. Ultimately, these people will sell out our national heritage and vote away each of our birthrights all in exchange for a crummy part-time job, a local Walmart, crummy healthcare, and a few Macdonald's Value Meals.

Then don't let them vote. But that's not an excuse for preventing them from working for a willing employer.

RandallFan
12-24-2014, 04:28 PM
Illegal immigrants are often liars. So some of them do vote and collect welfare, food stamps or whatever. If they lied about other things they will engage in lies to collect freebies and vote for a candidate who offers more freebies.

Zippyjuan
12-24-2014, 08:01 PM
Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare or to vote.

kcchiefs6465
12-24-2014, 08:06 PM
wow. Joe likes torture. ok, whatever. Is this about Joe's integrity or illegal invasion?
His integrity, huh?

He should be paying personally for the chickens killed, the dog shot, and the house destroyed.

Maybe sell 'his' tank.

ETA: I was mistaken on the specifics.

kcchiefs6465
12-24-2014, 08:34 PM
http://i.imgur.com/f15K3AI.jpg?1

Dianne
12-24-2014, 09:01 PM
Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare or to vote. They will be as soon as they get their green card.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 09:12 PM
http://i.imgur.com/f15K3AI.jpg?1

Is that real?

Yikes. I don't ever want to live in Arpaio-land.

kcchiefs6465
12-24-2014, 09:17 PM
Is that real?

Yikes. I don't ever want to live in Arpaio-land.
It's very much real.

Right outside of his tent city.

They drove it into the living room of a man's house not too long ago (a year or two ago).

The complaint was that a man was fighting chickens. So, all of the chickens were euthanized, the man's dog shot during the raid, his home partially collapsed. ETA: I recall his home being partially collapsed by the tank. Let me double check that before you quote me on it. It's been a little while.

The man was acquitted. (He plead guilty)

The raid was the season finale of Steven Seagal's "Lawman." Seagal was deputized by Sheriff Joe and took part in the raid, riding in the tank.

There's a couple million dollar lawsuit because of it. I'll check for updates now. (The case was dismissed and was only for a hundred thousand)

ETA Part 2:

The man arrested for cockfighting who cried foul when his West Valley compound was raided in 2011 by sheriff’s deputies, along with actor Steven Seagal and his reality-TV camera crew, has pleaded guilty to the cockfighting charges and had his federal civil-rights lawsuit against the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office dismissed.

Jesus Sanchez Llovera was originally the subject of a 2011 Phoenix police investigation into allegations of drug smuggling and kidnapping. Phoenix police raided Llovera’s Laveen home in February 2011, busting down the door and breaking windows. Police found cash and ammunition during the raid, along with nearly 100 roosters on the property. Llovera was already on probation for cockfighting.

The kidnapping investigation lost steam as victims and witnesses disappeared or refused to cooperate, and police turned the animal crimes over to the Sheriff’s Office, which returned one month later. Sheriff’s deputies used similar methods to enter Llovera’s home, but had Seagal and his reality-TV camera crew in tow.

The Seagal raid made national news, with Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s critics claiming the affair was staged to provide footage for the actor’s reality-TV show and generate publicity for the sheriff.

That summer, Llovera initiated legal action against the Sheriff’s Office, alleging assault, defamation, false arrest and violations of his civil rights. He offered to settle for $25,000.

The lawsuit ended up in U.S. District Court. Llovera’s attorney withdrew from the case last year, leaving Llovera to represent himself. Llovera pleaded guilty last week in Maricopa County Superior Court to attempting to cockfight and possess drugs that investigators claimed were rooster steroids.

Llovera’s civil-rights lawsuit was dismissed Thursday when he failed to file court-ordered paperwork. Seagal’s reality-TV episode with the raid footage never aired.

puppetmaster
12-24-2014, 09:25 PM
Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare or to vote. Many states don't ask for ID when voting.....so your point is worthless. Benefit offices also don't ask for ID in many cases and when they do fake information is plentiful and not verified. So your excuses are just plain ignorant.

kcchiefs6465
12-24-2014, 09:32 PM
Geez... I'm normally not that far off. There were a few threads about it when it happened and I followed it somewhat closely.

Here's one of the original articles I read and I'll try to find the threads about it.


Steven Seagal killed my puppy. So says Jesus Sanchez Llovera, an Arizona man whose home was raided by armed detectives filming a reality TV programme in which the veteran actor works as a volunteer police officer.

According to legal papers filed in Phoenix, Mr Llovera wants $100,000 (£60,000) in compensation,plus a written apology from Seagal and the local police chief for the incident in March, which saw him arrested on suspicion of running an illegal cockfighting ring. He denies that charge, and claims that more than 100 prize chickens being bred for "show" were killed by Seagal and his colleagues. An 11-month-old puppy was also shot and killed during the early morning raid, he alleges.

Seagal has for months been working alongside Joe Arpaio, the controversial right-wing Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, famed for his zero-tolerance approach to policing and his dedication to the cause of rounding up suspected illegal immigrants.

In a series of operations filmed for the TV show Steven Seagal: Lawman, the former action hero has dressed in camouflage gear and wraparound sunglasses to participate in gung-ho arrests of suspected criminals.

The raid on Mr Llovera's property was a typical operation. It saw Seagal join a squadron of heavily armed riot police who drove a tank through the front gates before kicking down the door of the house and rushing inside.

Mr Llovera offered no resistance, but says he was nonetheless roughed-up and that his home suffered "substantial" damage. The arrest, and alleged shooting of the puppy – "a beloved family pet" – took place while his young children were present.

The case has potential racial overtones, since Mr Llovera is of Hispanic heritage. Members of Phoenix's Latino community have long said they are discriminated against by Mr Arpaio, who is famed for arresting illegal immigrants at road-blocks and making prison inmates wear pink pyjamas.

Mr Llovera denies all charges of breeding chickens for cockfighting. He says the raid was "unfounded" and the use of force in the arrest was disproportionate. Neither Mr Arpaio nor Seagal has responded to his claims.

However the actor is unlikely to take kindly to allegations of complicity in the death of a puppy: in interviews he has spoken out against animal cruelty.
hxxp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/steven-seagal-killed-my-puppy-says-man-seized-in-reality-tv-police-raid-2347845.html

Regardless of what happened on that particular raid, the man is a fascist, his tank should be scrapped, and really, if it weren't for anti-immigration sentiment and the retirement communities he would not be continuously reelected as he is. I liken him to John McCain only in a 'law enforcement' capability.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 09:39 PM
It's very much real.

Right outside of his tent city.

They drove it into the living room of a man's house not too long ago (a year or two ago).

The complaint was that a man was fighting chickens. So, all of the chickens were euthanized, the man's dog shot during the raid, his home partially collapsed. ETA: I recall his home being partially collapsed by the tank. Let me double check that before you quote me on it. It's been a little while.

The man was acquitted. (He plead guilty)

The raid was the season finale of Steven Seagal's "Lawman." Seagal was deputized by Sheriff Joe and took part in the raid, riding in the tank.

There's a couple million dollar lawsuit because of it. I'll check for updates now. (The case was dismissed and was only for a hundred thousand)

ETA Part 2:

Hold on, I want to think through some logic here.

Some people were concerned about "cockfighting" so the solution is to euthanize the chickens?

lolwat?

Animal abuse laws need to go already. I know most people are uncomfortable with animal abuse (I am to), but its bad enough when government has to interfere with our lives to protect image-bearers of God. To do so to prevent damage to a creature that is not is utterly unthinkable to me. I wouldn't stop you if you decided you needed to intervene to stop someone from abusing their animal, but government has no business doing it.

Weston White
12-25-2014, 01:12 AM
Then don't let them vote.

lolol Sure, because that strategy is working so well for immigration reform or "amnesty", they can still lobby under the First Amendment, and lobby they do. Oh yes, they do.

Zippyjuan
12-25-2014, 01:14 AM
Many states don't ask for ID when voting.....so your point is worthless. Benefit offices also don't ask for ID in many cases and when they do fake information is plentiful and not verified. So your excuses are just plain ignorant.

My state does not require ID to vote but your information must be verified before you are added to the voting rolls.

Illegal immigrants are more likely to be working than citizens. http://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2014/11/20/illegal-immigrant-amnesty/


But more importantly, illegal immigrants already have jobs. In fact, according to Pew their labor force participation is significantly higher than the native participation rate. Of the 11.2 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., they estimate 8.1 million are in the labor force, a participation rate of 72.3%. In contrast, the overall U.S. participation rate is 62.8% right now.