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jmdrake
12-23-2014, 12:45 PM
I just ran across this and I'm physically ill. I didn't know Chris Kyle admitted to going to New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina, getting on top of the Superdome, and killing 30 people in cold blood. Oh sure he justifies this as saying they were "armed looters". But who made him judge, jury and executioner? Who made him God? Maybe God told the marine he was trying to help at the gun range to kill him (Kyle). It's sick that fake conservatives hold him up as a hero.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
The session went well. Kilbane told me that he was struck by Kyle’s “aura,” noting that whenever “he walked in the room the dynamic would change, the energy in the room would shift.” Afterward, a larger group went out for dinner, closed the hotel bar, and hung out in Kyle’s suite, drinking until late. The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, he said, the law-and-order situation was dire. He and another sniper travelled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceeded to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos. Three people shared with me varied recollections of that evening: the first said that Kyle claimed to have shot thirty men on his own; according to the second, the story was that Kyle and the other sniper had shot thirty men between them; the third said that she couldn’t recall specific details.

Danke
12-23-2014, 12:50 PM
Live by the sword...

Danke
12-23-2014, 12:54 PM
Send that to the Opie and Anthony show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjHWovwix4

Lucille
12-23-2014, 01:34 PM
Chris Kyle made shit up, and that was just one of the many outrageous lies he told.

http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle


Chris Kyle told other lies as well, but these he put in his book. They are smaller lies compared to the car jacking and Katrina stories, but they are important nonetheless because they show a pattern of lies and embellishment that is troubling.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 01:39 PM
Chris Kyle made shit up, and that was just one of the many outrageous lies he told.

http://mpmacting.com/blog/2014/7/19/truth-justice-and-the-curious-case-of-chris-kyle

Then he's a lying murdering thug. Definitely no hero.

CaptainAmerica
12-23-2014, 02:33 PM
Waco Texas, Ruby Ridge..

Weston White
12-23-2014, 02:46 PM
Other reports that thousands were killed:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/07/blackwater-snipers-killed-thousands-of-katrina-victims-2989736.html

And a witness's account:

http://www.propublica.org/article/post-katrina-white-vigilantes-shot-african-americans-with-impunity

jllundqu
12-23-2014, 02:55 PM
Sick lying bastard.... Hope he suffered as he bled out at the range.

PRB
12-23-2014, 03:27 PM
Oh sure he justifies this as saying they were "armed looters". But who made him judge, jury and executioner?

How about the people who are looted? Who makes you judge, jury and executioner when somebody's armed robbing your house? How dare you defend your property with arms!

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 03:39 PM
How about the people who are looted? Who makes you judge, jury and executioner when somebody's armed robbing your house? How dare you defend your property with arms!

:rolleyes: Chris Kyle wasn't "defending his property". The asshole wasn't even from New Orleans. How pray tell would he be able to tell from on top of the superdome which armed person was a looter and which one was a defender? By their uniforms? :rolleyes: Really the last place I would expect to see someone defending mass murder by a government thug is at RPF. That said, Kyle was probably lying. Sick bastard.

PRB
12-23-2014, 03:47 PM
:rolleyes: Chris Kyle wasn't "defending his property". The asshole wasn't even from New Orleans. How pray tell would he be able to tell from on top of the superdome which armed person was a looter and which one was a defender? By their uniforms? :rolleyes: Really the last place I would expect to see someone defending mass murder by a government thug is at RPF. That said, Kyle was probably lying. Sick bastard.

you can't tell what looting and defending looks like?

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 03:53 PM
you can't tell what looting and defending looks like?

You're trolling. First off Chris Kyle, if he wasn't lying, wasn't doing either. He was just murdering. If you can't tell the difference between someone defending and someone not from the freaking area making a judgement call on who to murder then don't ask me what I can or can't tell. Second I saw the news reports where white people breaking into stores were called "scavengers" and blacks were called "looters". No. I doubt someone sitting on top of the Superdome in a city that had been largely abandoned and where cops were caught on video looting would really be able to tell looters from defenders to the point where murdering the looters was justified.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 03:56 PM
WWCKS (Who would Chris Kyle Shoot?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lootingfinding.jpg

Wolfgang Bohringer
12-23-2014, 03:57 PM
Live by the sword...

I loved it when Ron enraged them all by quoting the Prince of Peace and coining what would have been the movie title if Eastwood was actually a libertarian. Instead we get "Government Assassin". What a joke.

Remember back in the day when the LP, Reason Magazine, and similar outfits used to advertise Clint Eastwood as one of us "Libertarians?"

phill4paul
12-23-2014, 04:00 PM
You're trolling. First off Chris Kyle, if he wasn't lying, wasn't doing either. He was just murdering. If you can't tell the difference between someone defending and someone not from the freaking area making a judgement call on who to murder then don't ask me what I can or can't tell. Second I saw the news reports where white people breaking into stores were called "scavengers" and blacks were called "looters". No. I doubt someone sitting on top of the Superdome in a city that had been largely abandoned and where cops were caught on video looting would really be able to tell looters from defenders to the point where murdering the looters was justified.

Hell, the cops were having a regular human shooting gallery. And being covered for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger_Bridge_shootings

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:00 PM
You're trolling. First off Chris Kyle, if he wasn't lying, wasn't doing either. He was just murdering. If you can't tell the difference between someone defending and someone not from the freaking area making a judgement call on who to murder then don't ask me what I can or can't tell. Second I saw the news reports where white people breaking into stores were called "scavengers" and blacks were called "looters". No. I doubt someone sitting on top of the Superdome in a city that had been largely abandoned and where cops were caught on video looting would really be able to tell looters from defenders to the point where murdering the looters was justified.

If you don't live in NOLA you can't know what looters look like?!

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:00 PM
WWCKS (Who would Chris Kyle Shoot?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lootingfinding.jpg

neither of these are armed.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:07 PM
If you don't live in NOLA you can't know what looters look like?!

If you don't live in NOLA you can't claim to be defending your property. :rolleyes: And if your on top of the Superdome looking down at a confrontation between two armed men, how do you know who is the looter and who is the defender? By the color of their skin? And since when did you become a supporter of government thuggery?

Back to your original stupid quote.


How about the people who are looted? Who makes you judge, jury and executioner when somebody's armed robbing your house? How dare you defend your property with arms!

Your argument only applies to someone defending his property. It doesn't apply to someone shooting someone to defend someone else's property.

Here's a simple scenario. Person A uses a knife to car jack person B. Person B goes home and gets his gun. Person B now uses his gun to make person A get out of the car. All you see is person B forcing person A out of the car at gunpoint. Who do you shoot and why?

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:08 PM
neither of these are armed.

So if the black man had a gun he would be a legit target in your eyes?

phill4paul
12-23-2014, 04:08 PM
You're trolling.

Yep, he is. That is why he gets a rep burn.

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:13 PM
So if the black man had a gun he would be a legit target in your eyes?

no, he'd have to be looting.

sorry, what does looting vs defending look like? I don't know, I was always told the person standing inside the building stopping people from going in is usually the defender of the castle. people running away from a place usually means you are running for your life or you're escaping justice.

if you see a woman being raped in front of you, who are you to judge? she might have paid the man to role play! How can you tell?!

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:14 PM
If you don't live in NOLA you can't claim to be defending your property. :rolleyes: And if your on top of the Superdome looking down at a confrontation between two armed men, how do you know who is the looter and who is the defender? By the color of their skin? And since when did you become a supporter of government thuggery?
I don't support government thuggery, I'm just saying using guns to kill criminals doesn't require you be given a golden key to become JJE.

Yeah, I can't hire somebody from out of town to help me shoot my looters.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:20 PM
I don't support government thuggery, I'm just saying using guns to kill criminals doesn't require you be given a golden key to become JJE.

Yeah, I can't hire somebody from out of town to help me shoot my looters.

Except that's not what is being described here! Kyle never claimed to be hired by the Superdome to protect it from looters. He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. This is not the damn oathkeepers protecting a particular building. So you are defending government thuggery whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Here's a simple scenario. Person A uses a knife to car jack person B. Person B goes home and gets his gun. Person B now uses his gun to make person A get out of the car. All you see is person B forcing person A out of the car at gunpoint. Who do you shoot and why?

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:23 PM
Except that's not what is being described here! Kyle never claimed to be hired by the Superdome to protect it from looters. He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. This is not the damn oathkeepers protecting a particular building. So you are defending government thuggery whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Here's a simple scenario. Person A uses a knife to car jack person B. Person B goes home and gets his gun. Person B now uses his gun to make person A get out of the car. All you see is person B forcing person A out of the car at gunpoint. Who do you shoot and why?

"He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. "

so that's your answer, you might not like the answer, but that's your answer.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:23 PM
no, he'd have to be looting.

sorry, what does looting vs defending look like? I don't know, I was always told the person standing inside the building stopping people from going in is usually the defender of the castle. people running away from a place usually means you are running for your life or you're escaping justice.

if you see a woman being raped in front of you, who are you to judge? she might have paid the man to role play! How can you tell?!

I a situation like post Katrina you had people who fled the city and people who were squatting in buildings that didn't belong to them. Using your rule of thumb you could have easily killed someone trying to retake his own "castle". Smooth move Rambo.

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:25 PM
Except that's not what is being described here! Kyle never claimed to be hired by the Superdome to protect it from looters. He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. This is not the damn oathkeepers protecting a particular building. So you are defending government thuggery whether you are willing to admit it or not.

Here's a simple scenario. Person A uses a knife to car jack person B. Person B goes home and gets his gun. Person B now uses his gun to make person A get out of the car. All you see is person B forcing person A out of the car at gunpoint. Who do you shoot and why?

I would shoot but would be very careful not to kill the person.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:26 PM
"He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. "

so that's your answer, you might not like the answer, but that's your answer.

And that's murder. And if he did that and he was still alive he should have gotten lethal injection for that. Defending your property? Fine. Being hired by someone else to defend their property? Find. Sitting on top of the Superdome trying to determine who you think is worthy of death on nothing but your own hunch? Murder.

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:27 PM
I a situation like post Katrina you had people who fled the city and people who were squatting in buildings that didn't belong to them. Using your rule of thumb you could have easily killed someone trying to retake his own "castle". Smooth move Rambo.

yes, that is possible. however, retaking a house or building is not the same as grabbing stuff and running away.

is it still possible owners just want to grab a few things and run? sure.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:27 PM
I would shoot but would be very careful not to kill the person.

:rolleyes:

phill4paul
12-23-2014, 04:27 PM
I would shoot but would be very careful not to kill the person.

You're an idiot.

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:28 PM
And that's murder. And if he did that and he was still alive he should have gotten lethal injection for that. Defending your property? Fine. Being hired by someone else to defend their property? Find. Sitting on top of the Superdome trying to determine who you think is worthy of death on nothing but your own hunch? Murder.

fair enough.

PRB
12-23-2014, 04:28 PM
You're an idiot.
yeah, you the genius would mind your own business.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 04:33 PM
if you see a woman being raped in front of you, who are you to judge? she might have paid the man to role play! How can you tell?!

You know, while you are trolling and this is a waste of time, I will answer that question. It's not a good idea to snipe what you think is a rapist as well. That's what foot patrols are for. If you want to patrol your city in a post apocalyptic scenario, it's fine to walk up on a situation like that gun drawn and ask if the woman is okay. In fact in my wilder days a cop came up on me when I was "parking" with my girl. I'm glad he didn't have a "Shoot first! He could be a rapist" policy.

phill4paul
12-23-2014, 04:34 PM
yeah, you the genius would mind your own business.

http://animationsa2z.com/attachments/Image/poledance/poledance3.gif

enhanced_deficit
12-23-2014, 04:36 PM
Was his claimed New Orleans sniping score covered in the "American Sniper" war glamor movie hollywood produced?

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/1412258341000-XXX-2shot-AMERICAN-SNIPER-MOV-jy-2915-.jpg



The Promise 'American Sniper' Actor Bradley Cooper
Bradley Cooper as Chris Kyle; Sienna Miller plays Kyle's wife, Taya.





I just ran across this and I'm physically ill. I didn't know Chris Kyle admitted to going to New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina, getting on top of the Superdome, and killing 30 people in cold blood. Oh sure he justifies this as saying they were "armed looters". But who made him judge, jury and executioner? Who made him God?

EM.
Good question, on whose authority snipeking started to behave like droneking Obama?



http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
The session went well. Kilbane told me that he was struck by Kyle’s “aura,” noting that whenever “he walked in the room the dynamic would change, the energy in the room would shift.” Afterward, a larger group went out for dinner, closed the hotel bar, and hung out in Kyle’s suite, drinking until late. The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, he said, the law-and-order situation was dire. He and another sniper travelled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceeded to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos. Three people shared with me varied recollections of that evening: the first said that Kyle claimed to have shot thirty men on his own; according to the second, the story was that Kyle and the other sniper had shot thirty men between them; the third said that she couldn’t recall specific details.

I'm curious what stance current US adminstration would take on this NO sniping news/leak. If both reports are factual, his score is 1/10th in NO of what he scored in Iraq.


Obama official: MLK would love our wars! (http://www.salon.com/2011/01/13/obama_official_mlk_supports_our_wars/)

A top Pentagon official says the antiwar civil rights leader would support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

http://media.salon.com/2011/01/obama_official_mlk_would_love_our_wars-460x307.jpg (http://media.salon.com/2011/01/obama_official_mlk_would_love_our_wars.jpg)
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Right: Jeh C. Johnson

Kotin
12-23-2014, 04:43 PM
:rolleyes: Chris Kyle wasn't "defending his property". The asshole wasn't even from New Orleans. How pray tell would he be able to tell from on top of the superdome which armed person was a looter and which one was a defender? By their uniforms? :rolleyes: Really the last place I would expect to see someone defending mass murder by a government thug is at RPF. That said, Kyle was probably lying. Sick bastard.

This.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 05:05 PM
Was his claimed New Orleans sniping score covered in the "American Sniper" war glamor movie hollywood produced?

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/1412258341000-XXX-2shot-AMERICAN-SNIPER-MOV-jy-2915-.jpg



The Promise 'American Sniper' Actor Bradley Cooper
Bradley Cooper as Chris Kyle; Sienna Miller plays Kyle's wife, Taya.






EM.
Good question, on whose authority snipeking started to behave like droneking Obama?



I'm curious what stance current US adminstration would take on this NO sniping news/leak. If both reports are factual, his score is 1/10th in NO of what he scored in Iraq.


Obama official: MLK would love our wars! (http://www.salon.com/2011/01/13/obama_official_mlk_supports_our_wars/)

A top Pentagon official says the antiwar civil rights leader would support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

http://media.salon.com/2011/01/obama_official_mlk_would_love_our_wars-460x307.jpg (http://media.salon.com/2011/01/obama_official_mlk_would_love_our_wars.jpg)
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Right: Jeh C. Johnson

One of the sickest things of this presidency is how the MLK legacy has been drenched in blood. If you ever want to feel ill, watch Obama's "Nobel Peace Prize" speech starting at about 10 minutes in. http://youtu.be/AORo-YEXxNQ?t=10m4s

Ron Paul put this in perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNSTtzTLoK8

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-23-2014, 05:12 PM
One of the sickest things of this presidency is how the MLK legacy has been drenched in blood. If you ever want to feel ill, watch Obama's "Nobel Peace Prize" speech starting at about 10 minutes in. http://youtu.be/AORo-YEXxNQ?t=10m4s
A communist having his legacy "drenched in blood" is hardly some great stretch...

Zippyjuan
12-23-2014, 05:26 PM
Super Dome body count during Katrina.
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2002520986_katmyth26.html


Reports of anarchy at Superdome overstated
After five days managing near riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col...

By BRIAN THEVENOT and GORDON RUSSELL
Newhouse News Service
NEW ORLEANS — After five days managing near riots, medical horrors and unspeakable living conditions inside the Superdome, Louisiana National Guard Col. Thomas Beron prepared to hand over the dead to representatives of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Following days of internationally reported murders, rapes and gang violence inside the stadium, the doctor from FEMA — Beron doesn't remember his name — came prepared for a grisly scene: He brought a refrigerated 18-wheeler and three doctors to process bodies.

"I've got a report of 200 bodies in the Dome," Beron recalled the doctor saying.

The real total?

Six, Beron said.

Of those, four died of natural causes, one overdosed and another jumped to his death in an apparent suicide, said Beron, who personally oversaw the handoff of bodies from a Dome freezer, where they lay atop melting bags of ice.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/


The ‘unverifiable’ legacy of Chris Kyle, the deadliest sniper in American history

Chris Kyle, musclebound, grim-faced and lethal, liked to tell stories.

Before his murder in 2013 at 38, the so-called deadliest sniper in American history nurtured a comic book narrative. He was the “true American badass,” as one journalist called him, who dipped, wore big boots and affected an aw-shucks Texas swagger. With 160 confirmed kills under his belt and a beautiful family behind him, he became the stuff of military legend. He wrote a best-selling book. Statues were erected. Millions made.

And then there were his stories — some of which smelled fishy. “There were a lot of things he told people that are really unverifiable,” journalist Michael J. Mooney, who wrote a book on Kyle, told The Washington Post.

Like the one about how he and a bud went down to New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina and picked off dozens of bad guys. Or the one in which he took on two armed Texans bent on stealing his truck and shot them both dead. Or the one he told about former Minnesota governor Jesse “The Body” Ventura.

It’s a story that Ventura said was false. A Minnesota jury, which on Tuesday awarded Ventura $1.8 million in damages from Kyle’s estate after deliberating for six days, agreed.




Years after those alleged killings, Kyle had another story to tell. This one referred to the vacuum of authority in New Orleans following Katrina, when the city slipped into chaos. According to the New Yorker and several military publications, Kyle and a few other SEALs drank late in San Diego late one night in early 2012. “The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one,” the New Yorker reported. “…He and another sniper traveled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceed to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos.” The magazine said one conversation participant said Kyle “claimed to have shot thirty men on his own,” while another said Kyle and the other killed 30 between them.

When the New Yorker’s Schmidle called the U.S. Special Operations Command for confirmation, he didn’t get any. Then one of Kyle’s officers told the reporter, “I never heard that story.”

Guys lie about stuff in bars all the time- bragging to their friends. There is nothing to support the claims of sniping 30 people from the Superdome.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 05:44 PM
A communist having his legacy "drenched in blood" is hardly some great stretch...

Trollin trollin trollin....keep those posts a flowin...act like you be knowin...troll on. :rolleyes:

Working Poor
12-23-2014, 05:46 PM
I hate reading about stuff like this.

A Son of Liberty
12-23-2014, 05:53 PM
How about the people who are looted? Who makes you judge, jury and executioner when somebody's armed robbing your house? How dare you defend your property with arms!

It's rare that I neg rep, but when I do, I prefer to do so publicly: You can't possibly be this stupid.

A Son of Liberty
12-23-2014, 06:04 PM
no, he'd have to be looting.

sorry, what does looting vs defending look like? I don't know, I was always told the person standing inside the building stopping people from going in is usually the defender of the castle. people running away from a place usually means you are running for your life or you're escaping justice.

Well then, by all means, shoot to kill.


if you see a woman being raped in front of you, who are you to judge? she might have paid the man to role play! How can you tell?!

Look up "the pretense of knowledge".

A Son of Liberty
12-23-2014, 06:11 PM
I would shoot but would be very careful not to kill the person.


:rolleyes:

I think you meant to say ROTMFFLMMFAO

I swear I didn't read the whole thread before I neg rep'd him, and I'm staggered that the stupidity has inconceivably metastasized, like one of those full-body, 120 lb. tumors.

CaptainAmerica
12-23-2014, 06:27 PM
WWCKS (Who would Chris Kyle Shoot?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lootingfinding.jpg
I don't know, maybe you should ask ________ _________ that question

green73
12-23-2014, 06:58 PM
Trollin trollin trollin....keep those posts a flowin...act like you be knowin...troll on. :rolleyes:

I don't think he was trolling at all. I repped him.

green73
12-23-2014, 06:59 PM
I hate reading about stuff like this.

Probably goes for 85% of stuff here :)

green73
12-23-2014, 06:59 PM
It's rare that I neg rep, but when I do, I prefer to do so publicly: You can't possibly be this stupid.

He's just a troll that inexplicably has not been banned.

JK/SEA
12-23-2014, 07:31 PM
Yep, he is. That is why he gets a rep burn.

good idea...

specsaregood
12-23-2014, 07:34 PM
I'm just glad Ventura took close to 2 million off this douchebags estate.

green73
12-23-2014, 07:36 PM
I'm just glad Ventura took close to a million off this douchebags estate.

Yeah, hasn't Ventura been ostracized by the Seals as a result?

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 08:00 PM
I don't think he was trolling at all. I repped him.

I didn't bother but I would have neg repped him. Anyone who's actually done the research knows the "communist" accusation against MLK is bogus. He was falsely accused of communism because of his training with the Highland School. The Highland School was accused of communism only after it started working for desegregation. Circular reasoning at its worst.

angelatc
12-23-2014, 08:07 PM
I would shoot but would be very careful not to kill the person.

Someone has seen a few too many movies.

William Tell
12-23-2014, 08:17 PM
I don't think he was trolling at all. I repped him.

So did I.


Playboy: Do you feel it's fair to request a multibillion-dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or for any other minority group?

King: I do indeed. Can any fair-minded citizen deny that the Negro has been deprived? Few people reflect that for two centuries the Negro was enslaved, and robbed of any wages — potential accrued wealth which would have been the legacy of his descendants. All of America's wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation. It is an economic fact that a program such as I propose would certainly cost far less than any computation of two centuries of unpaid wages plus accumulated interest. In any case, I do not intend that this program of economic aid should apply only to the Negro; it should benefit the disadvantaged of all races….

Playboy: If a nationwide program of preferential employment for Negroes were to be adopted, how would you propose to assuage the resentment of whites who already feel that their jobs are being jeopardized by the influx of Negroes resulting from desegregation?

King: We must develop a federal program of public works, retraining and jobs for all — so that none, white or black, will have cause to feel threatened. At the present time, thousands of jobs a week are disappearing in the wake of automation and other production efficiency techniques. Black and white, we will all be harmed unless something grand and imaginative is done. The unemployed, poverty-stricken white man must be made to realize that he is in the very same boat with the Negro. Together, they could exert massive pressure on the Government to get jobs for all. Together, they could form a grand alliance. Together, they could merge all people for the good of all.


http://playboysfw.kinja.com/martin-luther-king-jr-part-2-of-a-candid-conversation-1502358645

green73
12-23-2014, 08:26 PM
I didn't bother but I would have neg repped him. Anyone who's actually done the research knows the "communist" accusation against MLK is bogus. He was falsely accused of communism because of his training with the Highland School. The Highland School was accused of communism only after it started working for desegregation. Circular reasoning at its worst.



David Garrow in his Pulitzer Prize-winning biography says that in private gatherings King endorsed “democratic socialism,” while making “it clear to close friends that economically speaking he considered himself what he termed a Marxist.”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/1991/02/lew-rockwell/the-economics-of-martin-luther-king-jr/

Uriel999
12-23-2014, 08:34 PM
Just gonna throw this out here. I know a few SEALS. Even they are not found of Chris Kyle.

William Tell
12-23-2014, 08:37 PM
Yeah, hasn't Ventura been ostracized by the Seals as a result?

I recall Jesse saying that is a BS rumor. I would imagine some like him and some don't.

kcchiefs6465
12-23-2014, 08:48 PM
I recall Jesse saying that is a BS rumor. I would imagine some like him and some don't.
He said he is unable to show up to their 'reunion' anymore as a result of Kyle's accusation.

William Tell
12-23-2014, 08:55 PM
He said he is unable to show up to their 'reunion' anymore as a result of Kyle's accusation.

Oh, I guess he said that after whatever I heard him say.

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 09:11 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/1991/02/lew-rockwell/the-economics-of-martin-luther-king-jr/

Thanks. But I've read all that crap before ad I've done my own research. So spare me.

green73
12-23-2014, 09:12 PM
Thanks. But I've read all that crap before ad I've done my own research. So spare me.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/304/0/6/Oh_Ok__by_ohokowlplz.png

jmdrake
12-23-2014, 09:14 PM
He said he is unable to show up to their 'reunion' anymore as a result of Kyle's accusation.

It sounds like it was his choice.

“I can’t go to UDT-SEAL reunions anymore because that was the place I always felt safe, and who will be next to throw me under the bus?” Ventura said Tuesday. “I’d have to spend my time looking over my shoulder.”

Anti Federalist
12-23-2014, 11:46 PM
Hope Ventura continue his lawsuit and sues the estate blind.

PaulConventionWV
12-23-2014, 11:50 PM
:rolleyes: Chris Kyle wasn't "defending his property". The asshole wasn't even from New Orleans. How pray tell would he be able to tell from on top of the superdome which armed person was a looter and which one was a defender? By their uniforms? :rolleyes: Really the last place I would expect to see someone defending mass murder by a government thug is at RPF. That said, Kyle was probably lying. Sick bastard.

It's PRB, what do you expect?

Anti Federalist
12-23-2014, 11:55 PM
I'm just glad Ventura took close to 2 million off this douchebags estate.

Oh, did he settle?

I thought the case was still ongoing.

Yes, this.

PaulConventionWV
12-23-2014, 11:55 PM
"He claimed to be sent by the government to NOLA and that he went up on the Superdome with a buddy and started off picking off people he thought were looters. "

so that's your answer, you might not like the answer, but that's your answer.

I, for one, don't think I could tell much from atop the Super Dome, gun or no gun. Guns don't make someone a looter.

Anti Federalist
12-24-2014, 12:08 AM
Christopher Scott "Chris" Kyle (April 8, 1974 – February 2, 2013) was a United States Navy SEAL and the most lethal sniper in Navy history with 160 confirmed kills out of 255 probable kills. These claims are based on individual shooter logs filled out at the end of a mission and reported by higher command. U.S. Special Operations Command treats sniper kill counts as "unofficial"

His kill record is probably all bullshit as well.

specsaregood
12-24-2014, 12:16 AM
Oh, did he settle?

I thought the case was still ongoing.

Yes, this.

Oh, I don't know. If the case is still ongoing then I hope he takes even more from this douchebag's estate.

Anti Federalist
12-24-2014, 12:18 AM
Oh, I don't know. If the case is still ongoing then I hope he takes even more from this douchebag's estate.

No, I looked it up, you're right, Ventura won an 8-2 jury decision for 1.8 million.

PRB
12-24-2014, 12:19 AM
I, for one, don't think I could tell much from atop the Super Dome, gun or no gun. Guns don't make someone a looter.

I agree, having a gun doesn't make you a criminal.

donnay
12-24-2014, 12:40 AM
I agree, having a gun doesn't make you a criminal.

Sniping people in cold blood is.

I wonder if he killed any cops? Cops were looting during that time too.

surf
12-24-2014, 01:52 AM
ecstasy. that's what he needed.

haven't seen reviews, but I hope the movie flops. sounds like a serial liar, and i'll be damned if anyone can be deemed brilliant that choses to be a proficient and boastful killer.

Suzu
12-24-2014, 02:03 AM
Ventura won an 8-2 jury decision for 1.8 million.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/07/29/jesse-ventura-wins-1-8-million-in-damages-against-chris-kyle-slain-navy-seal-sniper/

Weston White
12-24-2014, 04:29 AM
neither of these are armed.

Oh, so then in other words, both? ZING!

Weston White
12-24-2014, 05:11 AM
Guys lie about stuff in bars all the time- bragging to their friends. There is nothing to support the claims of sniping 30 people from the Superdome.

Out of the mouths of babes:
Governor Blanco announced the same day that “we will restore law and order.” She bemoaned the fact that “disasters like this often bring out the worst in people.” A day later, she announced that a force of National Guard troops was entering the city: “They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded,” she declared. “These troops know how to shoot to kill... and I expect they will.”

But who truly knows what happended throughout Katrina, the entire thing was morphed into a military training op. All we really know is that between 1500-1800 people died as a result of Katrina and post-governmental actions--25% of those (i.e., around 400 bodies) were from apparent trama or injury. In following interviews we have officials contradicting other officials, so what then, are these people lying, morons, clueless, or what?


Nagin, together with Police Superintendent Edwin Compass III, sounded an even more sensational note the following week. The two appeared on the “Oprah” television show on September 4. Compass declared, “The tourists are walking around there, and as soon as these individuals see them, they’re being preyed upon. They are beating, they are raping them on the streets.” He repeated accounts of “little babies getting raped” in the Superdome, where thousands of stranded hurricane victims had been left by the authorities to suffer in sweltering heat for days on end without food, water or electricity.

Nagin spoke of an “almost animalistic state” inside the Superdome, where, he claimed, “hooligans” were “killing people, raping people.”

People would be shooting at us, and we couldn’t shoot because of the families,” Compass told Chris Elsberry of the Connecticut Post as late as September 19. “All we could do is rush toward the flash.”

jmdrake
12-24-2014, 05:45 AM
ecstasy. that's what he needed.

haven't seen reviews, but I hope the movie flops. sounds like a serial liar, and i'll be damned if anyone can be deemed brilliant that choses to be a proficient and boastful killer.

Here's a sample of a review from the New York Post.

“American Sniper” portrays Kyle as something of an armed saint, if a troubled one, but though I ordinarily resist one-sided portrayals I think that Cooper and Eastwood find in the man a template. After 40 years of Hollywood counterpropaganda telling us war is necessarily corrupting and malign, its ablest practitioners thugs, loons or victims, “American Sniper” nobly presents the case for the other side. It doesn’t say violence is beautiful, but that it is necessary, placing it closer to “Unforgiven” than to Eastwood’s dreadfully reductionist war pictures “Flags of Our Fathers” and “Letters from Iwo Jima.”

So someone who (brags/lies?) about murdering 30 Americans from atop the Superdome is an "armed saint"? Of course the New York Post's response to recent police killings is "Three Cheers for the NYPD".

Philhelm
12-24-2014, 08:12 AM
His kill record is probably all bullshit as well.

But his death record is pretty damned solid.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 09:06 AM
Chris Kyle is a murderer. Nuff said.

I won't be watching "American Sniper." I made the mistake of going to see "Lone Survivor" last year. Not doing that again...

AuH20
12-24-2014, 09:10 AM
American Sniper looks pretty good at first glance, largely because of the direction of Clint Eastwood. I've read that it is neither pro-war or anti-war. The great thing about past Eastwood films is the fact that he doesn't preach to you. For example, Flags of Our Fathers had two versions. One from the Japanese perspective and one from the American one.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 09:26 AM
American Sniper looks pretty good at first glance, largely because of the direction of Clint Eastwood. I've read that it is neither pro-war or anti-war. The great thing about past Eastwood films is the fact that he doesn't preach to you. For example, Flags of Our Fathers had two versions. One from the Japanese perspective and one from the American one.

Did they say that about "Lone Survivor" to?

Chris Kyle was a murderer, and there is no point in watching a movie designed to make him look good.

AuH20
12-24-2014, 09:28 AM
Did they say that about "Lone Survivor" to?

Chris Kyle was a murderer, and there is no point in watching a movie designed to make him look good.

I don't know who directed Lone Survivor but it wasn't Eastwood. Eastwood has always been a strange bird. I've read several reviews that strident anti-war activists as well as gung ho chickenhawks could not be satisfied with American Sniper because it doesn't fit into that narrow box.

Christian Liberty
12-24-2014, 09:32 AM
I don't know who directed Lone Survivor but it wasn't Eastwood. Eastwood has always been a strange bird. I've read several reviews that strident anti-war activists as well as gung ho chickenhawks could not be satisfied with American Sniper because it doesn't fit into that narrow box.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't like it then, as I am a "strident anti-war activist."

Suzanimal
12-25-2014, 09:09 AM
“American Sniper” Chris Kyle’s Widow Set To Appeal Verdict

Chris Kyle’s widow, Taya Kyle, has asked The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn their verdict in the defamation lawsuit of former Governor Jesse Ventura.

Ventura was awarded $1.8 million in August after he sued the estate of the late “American Sniper” over a passage in his book in which Chris described a confrontation with him. In the book, Chris described confronting a man he called “Scruff Face,” who was later identified as Ventura, during the wake of a U.S. soldier being held at a bar in Iraq.

Chris wrote that he heard Ventura criticizing both the war and President Bush, so he punched him and knocked him down.

Chris Kyle was a legendary sniper in Iraq who was killed in 2013. His book was recently turned into a movie, which is set to be released on Christmas day.

Taya filed the appeal on Tuesday, and as is typical with appeals, she gave no further details.

http://mrconservative.com/2014/12/54252-american-sniper-chris-kyles-widow-set-to-appeal-verdict/

Christian Liberty
12-25-2014, 09:14 AM
Chris wrote that he heard Ventura criticizing both the war and President Bush, so he punched him and knocked him down.

I think it would be better for Kyle if he was lying...

H. E. Panqui
12-25-2014, 10:52 AM
...:confused:...One wonders if local Republicrat hero, Rand, was so full of praise for Kyle because Kyle might have embarrassed potential competitor, Jesse Ventura? :confused:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-praises-chris-kyle-after-ron-paul-s-controversial-tweet

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) praised former Navy SEAL and author Chris Kyle, who was fatally shot (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/american-sniper-author-shot-killed-at-texas-shooting) in Texas Saturday, in a statement (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul) to Breitbart.com Monday after his father, former Rep. Ron Paul, posted a controversial tweet about Kyle.
“Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country," Paul told Breitbart.com. "Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”
Here's Ron Paul's original tweet, which Breitbart.com called "despicable":

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013 (https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/298477312876355585)

jmdrake
12-25-2014, 11:00 AM
American Sniper looks pretty good at first glance, largely because of the direction of Clint Eastwood. I've read that it is neither pro-war or anti-war. The great thing about past Eastwood films is the fact that he doesn't preach to you. For example, Flags of Our Fathers had two versions. One from the Japanese perspective and one from the American one.

Where is the perspective in American Sniper that shows that Chris Kyle after the war was either a serial killer or a serial liar? Did American Sniper show the perspective of the Iraqis that viewed Americans as a hostile invading force? Seriously, the Iraqis had more of a reason to fight back than the Japanese. The reviews I've read of American Sniper, both pro and con, is that it's an unabashed glorification of the Iraq war in general and Chris Kyle in particular.

jmdrake
12-25-2014, 11:02 AM
...:confused:...One wonders if local Republicrat hero, Rand, was so full of praise for Kyle because Kyle might have embarrassed potential competitor, Jesse Ventura? :confused:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-praises-chris-kyle-after-ron-paul-s-controversial-tweet

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) praised former Navy SEAL and author Chris Kyle, who was fatally shot (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/american-sniper-author-shot-killed-at-texas-shooting) in Texas Saturday, in a statement (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul) to Breitbart.com Monday after his father, former Rep. Ron Paul, posted a controversial tweet about Kyle.
“Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country," Paul told Breitbart.com. "Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”
Here's Ron Paul's original tweet, which Breitbart.com called "despicable":

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013 (https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/298477312876355585)

I doubt that Rand Paul is at all worried about "rival" Jesse Ventura. It's far more likely that Rand is trying to reach the same teocon voters that are going to blindly see Chris Kyle as a hero and look past his lies about or murders of Americans in NOLA.

H. E. Panqui
12-26-2014, 08:33 AM
...It's far more likely that Rand is trying to reach the same teocon voters that are going to blindly see Chris Kyle as a hero and look past his lies about or murders of Americans in NOLA.

(i might agree..Rand appears to work hard to pander to the really stooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid, gd creep Republicans/conservatives...after all, and sadly, there are a lot more stoooooooooooooooooooooooopid gd creep Republican/conservative primary voters than there are decent knowledgeable independents, populists, libertarians, etc..but if Jesse Ventura runs and if Rand gets the stinking, rotten Republican nomination, i bet the apparent straight-talking Jesse will be double-talking, forked-tongued Rand's doom...but i don't think Rand will get the stinking rotten Republican nomination...i know too many activists who ACTIVELY supported his father who are already disgusted by 'The Rand Brand'...

Anti Federalist
12-26-2014, 06:33 PM
...:confused:...One wonders if local Republicrat hero, Rand, was so full of praise for Kyle because Kyle might have embarrassed potential competitor, Jesse Ventura? :confused:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-praises-chris-kyle-after-ron-paul-s-controversial-tweet

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) praised former Navy SEAL and author Chris Kyle, who was fatally shot (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/american-sniper-author-shot-killed-at-texas-shooting) in Texas Saturday, in a statement (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul) to Breitbart.com Monday after his father, former Rep. Ron Paul, posted a controversial tweet about Kyle.
“Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country," Paul told Breitbart.com. "Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”
Here's Ron Paul's original tweet, which Breitbart.com called "despicable":

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013 (https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/298477312876355585)

Ron > Rand

A Son of Liberty
12-27-2014, 04:15 AM
Ron >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rand

Fixed that for you.

jmdrake
12-27-2014, 07:13 AM
...It's far more likely that Rand is trying to reach the same teocon voters that are going to blindly see Chris Kyle as a hero and look past his lies about or murders of Americans in NOLA.

(i might agree..Rand appears to work hard to pander to the really stooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid, gd creep Republicans/conservatives...after all, and sadly, there are a lot more stoooooooooooooooooooooooopid gd creep Republican/conservative primary voters than there are decent knowledgeable independents, populists, libertarians, etc..but if Jesse Ventura runs and if Rand gets the stinking, rotten Republican nomination, i bet the apparent straight-talking Jesse will be double-talking, forked-tongued Rand's doom...but i don't think Rand will get the stinking rotten Republican nomination...i know too many activists who ACTIVELY supported his father who are already disgusted by 'The Rand Brand'...


LOL. So why didn't Jesse Ventura run for the libertarian party ticket in 2012 and run in the general election against Romney and Obama? Certainly he could have dropped out in the off chance that Ron somehow won the nomination. Speaking of Ron and the nomination, Rand is already much closer than Ron ever was to that. Also Jesse should have run for senator back in 2008. (See: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92357303) He could have won that race despite being a 9/11 Truther. I wish he had run. It would have been fun seeing him gum up the works. But.....he didn't. If Rand wins the nomination (possible) and Jesse runs as a spoiler I will never forgive Jesse for that. And I'm one of the first people to ever say anything even remotely critical of Rand. Not a fanboy here but a realist.

H. E. Panqui
12-27-2014, 09:38 AM
If Rand wins the nomination (possible) and Jesse runs as a spoiler I will never forgive Jesse for that.

(If Jesse runs and Rand runs as a spoiler I will never forgive the Republican apologist/bootlicker for that) ;)

jmdrake
12-27-2014, 05:11 PM
If Rand wins the nomination (possible) and Jesse runs as a spoiler I will never forgive Jesse for that.

(If Jesse runs and Rand runs as a spoiler I will never forgive the Republican apologist/bootlicker for that) ;)

And the reason Ventura didn't run third party in 2008 or 2012 is....?

William Tell
12-27-2014, 05:24 PM
And the reason Ventura didn't run third party in 2008 or 2012 is....?

That he is an attention whore, and knows he can't raise the money. Also, he would have got even less votes than Gary Johnson.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-27-2014, 08:14 PM
Ron > Rand
In philosophy, foreign policy, economics, and in principle Ron>Rand.

In electability Rand>Ron.

ThePaleoLibertarian
12-27-2014, 08:22 PM
Jesse Ventura isn't a libertarian. He used to describe himself as a "Goldwater Conservative" but for a while now he's been talking about how he supports certain socialist reforms, and has talked about how "radical capitalism" cause the economic crisis. The only reason he has traction among libertarian circles is because he's critical of certain aspects of the current statist paradigm, but the guy is all over the place, and a bit of a nut. I remember him talking about how 2012, solar activity was going to bring the grid down, an a lot of other assorted craziness.

Feeding the Abscess
12-27-2014, 09:14 PM
I'm glad Chris Kyle is dead. One less murderous thug welfare whore out in the wild.

H. E. Panqui
12-29-2014, 08:50 PM
JMDrake asks: "And the reason Ventura didn't run third party in 2008 or 2012 is....?"


(Maybe only Jesse knows..it seemed to me he ?may have bowed out for Ron Paul..Also he--to his great credit!---seems very 'anti-party' (esp. the miserable, stinking Republicrats...Also not '3rd party'...2nd party..) so he may not GASS about an endorsement from 'the party' that nominated stinking conservative Republican Bob Barf...again, good for Jesse!..)

PaleoLibertarian writes: "In electability Rand>Ron."

:confused: (..so what?! 'In electability' Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Obomba, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, etc. gd puppetheads galore,>Ron)

ThePaleoLibertarian
01-03-2015, 05:12 AM
PaleoLibertarian writes: "In electability Rand>Ron."

:confused: (..so what?! 'In electability' Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Obomba, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, etc. gd puppetheads galore,>Ron)
We're in the stage where electability matters. Rand Paul is the closest we're going to get to a President that takes liberty seriously. The Liberty Movement is doing a great job of creating a big-tent movement, full of constitutionalists, anarcho-capitalists, radical minarchists, conservatives who learned that they were wrong about Bush and the GOP, paleoconservatives, right wing populists, social democrats who admire our stand on war and corporate subsidy, independents who are sick of the WDC machine and even a few war-weary neocons who just decided that in the end it wasn't worth it. We've got a great little band together; now it's time to start winning elections! Ron was the better person to do the job, but Rand is the one who might actually get it.

UWDude
01-03-2015, 05:49 AM
We're in the stage where electability matters. Rand Paul is the closest we're going to get to a President that takes liberty seriously. The Liberty Movement is doing a great job of creating a big-tent movement, full of constitutionalists, anarcho-capitalists, radical minarchists, conservatives who learned that they were wrong about Bush and the GOP, paleoconservatives, right wing populists, social democrats who admire our stand on war and corporate subsidy, independents who are sick of the WDC machine and even a few war-weary neocons who just decided that in the end it wasn't worth it. We've got a great little band together; now it's time to start winning elections! Ron was the better person to do the job, but Rand is the one who might actually get it.

I think I'll just take the opposite opinion on whats best for the country from anyone with the stars and bars as their avatar.

And no-one near the truth can ever be elected. There is an entire lie machine beset against them, with the full force of the NSA. Rand Paul would be convicted of baby rape before he wins the presidency.

ThePaleoLibertarian
01-03-2015, 09:21 PM
I think I'll just take the opposite opinion on whats best for the country from anyone with the stars and bars as their avatar.
Yeah, because that's a rational assessment. "I disagree with anyone who uses a particular kind of iconography, regardless of their broader values or opinions-which of course I have done nothing to ascertain!" You sound exactly like those MSNBC-fed liberals you supposedly oppose. " Moreover, you do realize that my avatar is also an ancap flag, right? The battle flag (which is not "the stars and bars" BTW) when combined with anarcho-capitalist colors is a symbol of pan-secessionism.


And no-one near the truth can ever be elected. There is an entire lie machine beset against them, with the full force of the NSA. Rand Paul would be convicted of baby rape before he wins the presidency.
There is a possibility that he can win-however remote; and even if he can't, he can change the debate. Ron Paul did with significantly less electability than his son. Why pessimistically doom him to failure now? People who support Rand Paul are doing far more to further the liberty movement than the endless string of complainers who say "politics will never work". We may never get a libertarian-friendly President, but Ron Paul's campaign brought a whole new generation to liberty, and Rand Paul could easily do the same.

cajuncocoa
01-03-2015, 09:24 PM
In philosophy, foreign policy, economics, and in principle Ron>Rand.

In electability Rand>Ron.
In electability Obama>Ron and George W Bush>Ron and Bill Clinton>Ron.

So?

jmdrake
01-03-2015, 11:11 PM
JMDrake asks: "And the reason Ventura didn't run third party in 2008 or 2012 is....?"


(Maybe only Jesse knows..it seemed to me he ?may have bowed out for Ron Paul..Also he--to his great credit!---seems very 'anti-party' (esp. the miserable, stinking Republicrats...Also not '3rd party'...2nd party..) so he may not GASS about an endorsement from 'the party' that nominated stinking conservative Republican Bob Barf...again, good for Jesse!..)


He "bowed out for Ron Paul?" That makes no sense. Ron Paul didn't get the nomination. Chuck Baldwin wasn't running against Ron Paul. (That's who I ultimately voted for in 2008). Ron Paul ultimately endorsed Pastor Baldwin. And had Jesse gone for the libertarian nomination he could have beaten Bob Barr for it. Or he could have gone for the Constitution party nomination. (What Baldwin got). Or he could have simply mounted an independent candidacy like John Anderson did in 1980. (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980) Seriously you haven't thought this through. You're claiming that Jesse should run against Rand if Rand gets the nomination but you don't think Jesse could have run against McCain or Romney when they got the nomination because that would have somehow been running against Ron? :confused:



PaleoLibertarian writes: "In electability Rand>Ron."

:confused: (..so what?! 'In electability' Bill and Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Obomba, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, etc. gd puppetheads galore,>Ron)

:rolleyes:

jmdrake
01-03-2015, 11:15 PM
In electability Obama>Ron and George W Bush>Ron and Bill Clinton>Ron.

So?

The "so" is that in reality Rand is actually pushing to do things I support. Obama and Bush didn't. That's the "so." I was a critic of Rand before anyone else was but this is starting to get ridiculous. The REDEEM Act is the best piece of legislation put forward in a generation. If Rand gets that passed and does nothing else the rest of his political life I will chalk him up as one of the best politicians ever.

Weston White
01-04-2015, 06:21 AM
And the reason Ventura didn't run third party in 2008 or 2012 is....?

IIRC, awhile back on AJ' Show he stated that it is utterly pointless running third-party, as the media will never let you seriously participate in debates/forums and hence you have no chance at winning, and neither would his views allow for him to get a Republican party nomination. But running is something he would seriously consider, so long as he could rally enough support, even if the ultimate goal is to enliven libertarian issues publicly.

cajuncocoa
01-04-2015, 08:18 AM
The "so" is that in reality Rand is actually pushing to do things I support. Obama and Bush didn't. That's the "so." I was a critic of Rand before anyone else was but this is starting to get ridiculous. The REDEEM Act is the best piece of legislation put forward in a generation. If Rand gets that passed and does nothing else the rest of his political life I will chalk him up as one of the best politicians ever.
Take it easy. I'm not being critical of Rand here. I'm just saying that electability is a lame criterion to use to compare him to his Dad. That's all.

H. E. Panqui
01-04-2015, 09:46 AM
UWDude writes: 'Rand Paul would be convicted of baby rape before he wins the presidency.'


:confused:(?I sense you are biased towards finding any such complaints, convictions, etc., false, 'politically motivated'?...do you personally know any of these 'national politicians?':confused:...most/all of them, including ?your golden boy Rand, have already revealed themselves as key, willing, participants in organized MASS MURDER, etceterot ad gd nauseam...is it too much of a stretch for you to believe some of these miserable, twisted sickos enjoy some child buggery with their mass murder, etceterot...:confused:

JMDrake writes: He "bowed out for Ron Paul?" That makes no sense.

:confused:(I sense you may not understand the tremendous undertaking it is---LARGELY thanks to the/?your stinking rotten Republicrats---to gather the frn$, the signatures, 'the bandwagon,' etc., to implement a 'presidential campaign'...at least that's how it has been in my lifetime...:confused:...do you think Jesse should've announced his candidacy after the stinking Republican Convention in 2012???...exactly when??:confused:...whether you want to admit it or not, there is/was large cross-appeal between Ron Paulers and Jesse'ers...on the issues i find most important, i STRONGLY FAVOR Jesse over Rand...but then again, i don't personally know either of them and i'm guessing i'll be so aggravated by Jesse, etc. that come election day, i'll stay home...i'm already disgusted :mad: with Rand and am positive i could not vote for/affirm him...

cajuncocoa writes "I'm just saying that electability is a lame criterion to use to compare him to his Dad. That's all.

(If i was a little sharper and more tactful that's what i would've written!..)

A Son of Liberty
01-04-2015, 11:42 AM
I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I get a kick out of this Hanky Panky guy. :lol:

H. E. Panqui
01-08-2015, 06:30 AM
Paleolib writes: The Liberty Movement is doing a great job of creating a big-tent movement, full of constitutionalists, anarcho-capitalists, radical minarchists, conservatives who learned that they were wrong about Bush and the GOP, paleoconservatives, right wing populists, social democrats who admire our stand on war and corporate subsidy, independents who are sick of the WDC machine and even a few war-weary neocons who just decided that in the end it wasn't worth it. We've got a great little band together; now it's time to start winning elections!

:rolleyes:

(I can't let this slide...and I could be wrong but....COULD ONE OF YOU 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT' supporters tell me the following: Who are the politicians you folks support? And what % of them have a stinking 'R' after their names?...

...granted, i am no expert on this 'Liberty Movement'...but when i did check into it some time ago I was confronted with the reality that the politicians who were being promoted were virtually all stinking Republicans!...YUCK!!...

...isn't this yet another organization (like the stinking 'tea party') being used to promote stinking Republicans?! :confused:


A Son of Liberty writes: I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I get a kick out of this Hanky Panky guy. :lol

(thanks for your readership...keep reading..to know me is to love me) :D

jmdrake
01-08-2015, 07:46 AM
UWDude writes: 'Rand Paul would be convicted of baby rape before he wins the presidency.'


:confused:(?I sense you are biased towards finding any such complaints, convictions, etc., false, 'politically motivated'?...do you personally know any of these 'national politicians?':confused:...most/all of them, including ?your golden boy Rand, have already revealed themselves as key, willing, participants in organized MASS MURDER, etceterot ad gd nauseam...is it too much of a stretch for you to believe some of these miserable, twisted sickos enjoy some child buggery with their mass murder, etceterot...:confused:

JMDrake writes: He "bowed out for Ron Paul?" That makes no sense.

:confused:(I sense you may not understand the tremendous undertaking it is---LARGELY thanks to the/?your stinking rotten Republicrats---to gather the frn$, the signatures, 'the bandwagon,' etc., to implement a 'presidential campaign'...at least that's how it has been in my lifetime...:confused:...do you think Jesse should've announced his candidacy after the stinking Republican Convention in 2012???...exactly when??:confused:...whether you want to admit it or not, there is/was large cross-appeal between Ron Paulers and Jesse'ers...on the issues i find most important, i STRONGLY FAVOR Jesse over Rand...but then again, i don't personally know either of them and i'm guessing i'll be so aggravated by Jesse, etc. that come election day, i'll stay home...i'm already disgusted :mad: with Rand and am positive i could not vote for/affirm him...

cajuncocoa writes "I'm just saying that electability is a lame criterion to use to compare him to his Dad. That's all.

(If i was a little sharper and more tactful that's what i would've written!..)

Dude, you've have not thought this through. Jesse Ventura could have run 3rd party in 2008 and 2012 in the general election if he had wanted to. He could have run for the Libertarian party ticket or the Reform party ticket, and secured either party's nomination with the understanding that if, somehow, Ron pulled off the GOP nomination, then he would bow out. I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and Virgil Goode in 2012 (constitution party). They both had ballot access in Tennessee which is not a big third party state. The Libertarian and Green candidates also had ballot access. Ron Paul running in the GOP primary had absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Ventura's decision not to run. Jesse Ventura will not run in 2016 regardless of how well Rand does or doesn't do.

jmdrake
01-08-2015, 07:50 AM
IIRC, awhile back on AJ' Show he stated that it is utterly pointless running third-party, as the media will never let you seriously participate in debates/forums and hence you have no chance at winning, and neither would his views allow for him to get a Republican party nomination. But running is something he would seriously consider, so long as he could rally enough support, even if the ultimate goal is to enliven libertarian issues publicly.

Right. But that's got nothing to do with Jesse "bowing out for Ron Paul." If anything, Ron's runs in 2008 and 2012 made it easier for third party candidates since his supporters were unlikely to support either of the major party candidates. Of course there was the silly (IMO) "Write in Ron Paul" movement both times. Silly because that did nobody absolutely any good including Ron Paul. "Oh they'll see the undervote from people voting for senate and not voting for president and tally that all up and say these are Ron Paul votes." :rolleyes:

jmdrake
01-08-2015, 08:01 AM
Take it easy. I'm not being critical of Rand here. I'm just saying that electability is a lame criterion to use to compare him to his Dad. That's all.

Except the reason Rand is electable is that he says things that don't always appeal to us. Yes he could go around talking about blowback and how our foreign policy should conform to the Golden Rule and get booed by the same people who booed Ron. Instead Rand has soft peddled some of Ron's stuff that republicans hate while simultaneously taking some of Ron's other stuff to other audiences (i.e. talking about police brutality and federal sentencing reform to black people). At the end of the day does it matter how good your product is if you can't sell it? Xerox invented the laser printer, the ethernet network protocol, the graphical user interface and a lot of other stuff that everybody takes for granted but thinks Apple invented.

CPUd
01-08-2015, 08:22 AM
American Sniper looks pretty good at first glance, largely because of the direction of Clint Eastwood. I've read that it is neither pro-war or anti-war. The great thing about past Eastwood films is the fact that he doesn't preach to you. For example, Flags of Our Fathers had two versions. One from the Japanese perspective and one from the American one.

In the sniper shots, the justification for each was made clear. Like if someone coming around the corner of a building with a grenade launcher gets targeted and shot, there will be some soldiers around a humvee on the other side of the building. I doubt in real life every decision was as clear-cut as it was depicted in the film. They were told any males in the area of military age were fair game.

The non-war scenes focused on the times when he went back home, each time his mental state and relationship with his family was worse than the previous.

It is an OK film with really good acting, another 20 or 30 minutes at the end could have made it a good movie. From what I've read, part of the deal was that they keep it close to the book, and not portray Chris in a negative light.

Christian Liberty
01-08-2015, 08:41 AM
...:confused:...One wonders if local Republicrat hero, Rand, was so full of praise for Kyle because Kyle might have embarrassed potential competitor, Jesse Ventura? :confused:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-praises-chris-kyle-after-ron-paul-s-controversial-tweet

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) praised former Navy SEAL and author Chris Kyle, who was fatally shot (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/american-sniper-author-shot-killed-at-texas-shooting) in Texas Saturday, in a statement (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul) to Breitbart.com Monday after his father, former Rep. Ron Paul, posted a controversial tweet about Kyle.
“Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country," Paul told Breitbart.com. "Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”
Here's Ron Paul's original tweet, which Breitbart.com called "despicable":
Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 4, 2013 (https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/298477312876355585)


Rand Paul's comment was despicable. I get why he did it, but it was still despicable. I don't expect him to do what Ron did, but he could have said something more vauge like "I am saddened that an American citizen lost his life this day" or he could have just left the first part of the comment out. Frankly, there's no political reason, IMO, that he had to say Kyle is a hero. The sad thing is I wonder if Rand actually believes it.



I'm glad Chris Kyle is dead. One less murderous thug welfare whore out in the wild.

I wouldn't say I'm "glad" but certainly indifferent. I agree with your point though. And there is no denying that Kyle DESERVED death. How he did it was a different matter.

jmdrake
01-08-2015, 08:42 AM
In the sniper shots, the justification for each was made clear. Like if someone coming around the corner of a building with a grenade launcher gets targeted and shot, there will be some soldiers around a humvee on the other side of the building. I doubt in real life every decision was as clear-cut as it was depicted in the film. They were told any males in the area of military age were fair game.

The non-war scenes focused on the times when he went back home, each time his mental state and relationship with his family was worse than the previous.

It is an OK film with really good acting, another 20 or 30 minutes at the end could have made it a good movie. From what I've read, part of the deal was that they keep it close to the book, and not portray Chris in a negative light.

You know, I kind of feel sorry for Chris Kyle as I think about it. His whole claim to fame is that he killed people. When he got back home to the U.S. there was nothing for him to do that he was good at that would make him a hero. Going with the most generous view, he made up lies about killing carjackers and looters and punching out Jesse Ventura for criticizing the war. But if you take him at his word he was a murdering thug that killed his own countrymen and beat up on old people. Either way, not a flattering picture. And then when he actually does something peaceful and commendable, the guy he's trying to help kills him.

Christian Liberty
01-08-2015, 08:47 AM
You know, I kind of feel sorry for Chris Kyle as I think about it. His whole claim to fame is that he killed people. When he got back home to the U.S. there was nothing for him to do that he was good at that would make him a hero. Going with the most generous view, he made up lies about killing carjackers and looters and punching out Jesse Ventura for criticizing the war. But if you take him at his word he was a murdering thug that killed his own countrymen and beat up on old people. Either way, not a flattering picture. And then when he actually does something peaceful and commendable, the guy he's trying to help kills him.

Perhaps I should feel bad for him, but I don't.

Doubly so when so many people are calling him a hero. Should I feel bad for Ted BUndy? This guy wasn't really better. But, nobody lies and says Ted Bundy was a hero.

jmdrake
01-08-2015, 09:10 AM
Perhaps I should feel bad for him, but I don't.

Doubly so when so many people are calling him a hero. Should I feel bad for Ted BUndy? This guy wasn't really better. But, nobody lies and says Ted Bundy was a hero.

I see a difference. Ted Bundy killed for no other reason than his own psychosis. Chris Kyle's kills in war were to save the lives of his buddies. Sure none of them should have been there, but that's beside the point. Think of our own U.S. Civil war. I believe the leaders on both sides were wrong in their willingness to sacrifice poor young men and boys for their own economic gain. But I neither begrudge the Union nor the Confederate sharpshooter who did what he did for his own survival and the survival of his friends. Same goes for World War I. I wouldn't put the average German or the average British, French or U.S. sniper in the Ted Bundy category. And World War II? One of my favorite books was about a Japanese flying ace. I would put Chris Kyle in the same category as the Spetnaz sniper in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded. Many Soviet conscripts didn't want to be there, but the war took on a life of its own when their buddies got killed.

CPUd
01-08-2015, 09:29 AM
The film does go into his ideology a bit, beginning with his father explaining to him at the dinner table that there are 3 types of people- sheep, wolves and shepherds. His little brother had gotten into a fight and his father told him to stay by his side because shepherds take care of their own.

When he learned his brother was deployed, that was the point when he started coming down off rooftops and wanting to be on the ground. Like he was looking for him.

There is one scene where Chris is getting ready to go back and meets his brother, who is coming home and clearly wants nothing else to do with the military.

enhanced_deficit
01-08-2015, 11:26 AM
Why Bradley Cooper is still wearing Navy SEAL Chris Kyle's shoes
December 16, 2014, 5:05 PM|In Clint Eastwood's upcoming movie "American Sniper," Cooper plays Kyle, the deadliest sniper in U.S. history with more than 150 kills in Iraq. Cooper shares why he's still wearing the shoes Kyle wore on tour. Watch the full interview with Cooper Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/preview-why-bradley-cooper-is-still-wearing-navy-seal-chris-kyles-shoes/

American Sniper Chris Kyle was the “Real life John Wayne ...
radio.foxnews.com › Talk › Kilmeade and FriendsFox News Radio
Dec 18, 2014

Neecons had been pumping CK story for profiteering, Max B's findings seem more credible.

Max Blumenthal calls Chris Kyle a 'mass murdering sniper ... (http://twitchy.com/2014/12/26/max-blumenthal-calls-chris-kyle-a-mass-murdering-sniper-like-lee-malvo/)
Dec 26, 2014

H. E. Panqui
01-08-2015, 08:30 PM
jmdrake asserts: I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 2008 and Virgil Goode in 2012 (constitution party). They both had ballot access in Tennessee which is not a big third party state. The Libertarian and Green candidates also had ballot access. Ron Paul running in the GOP primary had absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Ventura's decision not to run. Jesse Ventura will not run in 2016 regardless of how well Rand does or doesn't do.

(I must admit Baldwin surprised me positively on several issues about which CP'ers used to make me ill...btw, if you must vote, try writing in the names of old rich relatives, clients, rich friends, rich neighbors, people you're flirting with/seducing, etc.,...anyone to whom you flatter/ingratiate yourself, etc...of course make sure you tell them you wrote their name in....this works like a charm on certain people...glenn beck fans, folks who pay $199.99 to get a star named after them, etc. ad nauseam;)

PRB
01-08-2015, 08:35 PM
I see a difference. Ted Bundy killed for no other reason than his own psychosis.


There's definitely a difference. Ted Bundy has little conscience and agenda, he didn't do it for any cause, nor would he likely be convinced to.

Kyle killed for what he believed was right, or for money, and he could easily be swayed to shoot for a good guy if you had a chance to sit him down.



Chris Kyle's kills in war were to save the lives of his buddies. Sure none of them should have been there, but that's beside the point. Think of our own U.S. Civil war. I believe the leaders on both sides were wrong in their willingness to sacrifice poor young men and boys for their own economic gain. But I neither begrudge the Union nor the Confederate sharpshooter who did what he did for his own survival and the survival of his friends. Same goes for World War I. I wouldn't put the average German or the average British, French or U.S. sniper in the Ted Bundy category.


I agree, there's a big difference between stupid and ignorant people, and evil people.




And World War II? One of my favorite books was about a Japanese flying ace. I would put Chris Kyle in the same category as the Spetnaz sniper in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded. Many Soviet conscripts didn't want to be there, but the war took on a life of its own when their buddies got killed.

Indeed. Looking at the big picture, Kyle is but a pawn in the game and he's revered for the things he did within the game. He may not know (or care) whether the big picture is ultimately what he wants, he just found a calling, went for it, and then came home for his family. He then started a company to teach people his skills, which can be used for good and bad.

The Rebel Poet
01-09-2015, 02:00 AM
Trollin trollin trollin....keep those posts a flowin...act like you be knowin...troll on. :rolleyes:I don't think he was trolling at all. I repped him.
Me too.

The Rebel Poet
01-09-2015, 02:13 AM
(I can't let this slide...and I could be wrong but....COULD ONE OF YOU 'LIBERTY MOVEMENT' supporters tell me the following: Who are the politicians you folks support? And what % of them have a stinking 'R' after their names?...

...granted, i am no expert on this 'Liberty Movement'...but when i did check into it some time ago I was confronted with the reality that the politicians who were being promoted were virtually all stinking Republicans!...YUCK!!...

...isn't this yet another organization (like the stinking 'tea party') being used to promote stinking Republicans?! :confused:

I'll gladly tell you. Most of us refuse to support stinking Republicans, we are supporting GOOD republicans like Ron Paul (good being somewhat subjective, the other "good" Republicans sometimes vary person to person). If Ron Paul is good enough for you, they we are more or less on the same page, if he isn't good enough because of the (R) beside his name, then you might be placing party over principle, which most liberty movement folks don't. If you show me some non-stinking Democrats, I'll gladly support them. Most of the non-stinking politicians I know of that joined a major party followed Ron Paul into the (R) party, but I'd love to be able to support some Dems as much as I support Republicans, Libertarians, Constitution Partiers, and independents.

The Rebel Poet
01-09-2015, 02:17 AM
if you see a woman being raped in front of you, who are you to judge? she might have paid the man to role play! How can you tell?!
Doesn't that statement prove our point?

The Rebel Poet
01-09-2015, 02:26 AM
I think I'll just take the opposite opinion on whats best for the country from anyone with the stars and bars as their avatar.
I was going to say something, but that comment speaks for itself.


And no-one near the truth can ever be elected. There is an entire lie machine beset against them, with the full force of the NSA. Rand Paul would be convicted of baby rape before he wins the presidency.
I agree (with 70% probability anyway), but it's the message that matters. If he gets all that publicity and air time for our message, we win. Add to that how many people would be forced to see the sham for what it is, not a majority probably, but easily 10% or more. That puts us +2 over where we are now.

PRB
01-09-2015, 02:44 AM
Doesn't that statement prove our point?

Not if I'm sarcastic.

H. E. Panqui
01-09-2015, 07:14 AM
Rebel Poet, thoughtful comments...regarding the stinking Republicrats, i agree with Ron Paul just enough to support him....dennis kucinich too..jim traficant...maybe a handful of others...BUT JUST BARELY...they place(d) complete governmental transparency, ending 'warmongerism,' ending massive monetary fraud, etc., high on their priority list...so do i..

...but i'm constantly frustrated none of these Republicrats will clearly acknowledge the fraudulent nature of (s)elections, political dialogue, etc. ad nauseam....i try to explain this in my dynamic, paradigm-shifting thread, "A Good Reason to Boycott Republicrats" over in the 'Liberty Activism Grass-roots Central" section..;)..it seems to me you start precisely there...

...btw, i take it the answer to the question, 'what % of national politicians endorsed by the so-called "Liberty Movement" sport a letter other than a stinking "R" after their name?' is approximately zero....;)

jmdrake
01-09-2015, 07:46 AM
Me too.

Trolls of a feather troll together. Anyone who with half a brain who has looked into the allegations knows that Dr. King was not a communist. He was falsely accused of that because of his work with the Highland School. But they weren't communists either. No one ever accused them of communism until they started working for desegregation. They were accused of being communists but that was never proven. But stick with your ignorance.

UWDude
01-09-2015, 09:48 AM
The battle flag (which is not "the stars and bars" BTW) when combined with anarcho-capitalist colors is a symbol of pan-secessionism.

LoL. Of course, why didn't I know that!!

You know, you remind me of one of those dudes in high school that would go around, dressed in black, and claim to practice wicca, but when told he practiced witchcraft, would go into a tirade about ignorance, "Uh, excuse me, uh, excuse me, wicca's not witchcraft, ok, it is a set of techniques based on pagan and druidic ceremony and tradition, ok? Get educated, Gawd."

You can have your stars and bars. But you will fall in to the category of those who claim the pentagram is actually a pagan symbol of peace, and that the Swatsika is actually an Indian symbol of fertility. Put them in your avatar, wave them around all you want, but don't dare try to then lecture me on good political sense.

ThePaleoLibertarian
01-09-2015, 03:19 PM
LoL. Of course, why didn't I know that!!

You know, you remind me of one of those dudes in high school that would go around, dressed in black, and claim to practice wicca, but when told he practiced witchcraft, would go into a tirade about ignorance, "Uh, excuse me, uh, excuse me, wicca's not witchcraft, ok, it is a set of techniques based on pagan and druidic ceremony and tradition, ok? Get educated, Gawd."

You can have your stars and bars. But you will fall in to the category of those who claim the pentagram is actually a pagan symbol of peace, and that the Swatsika is actually an Indian symbol of fertility. Put them in your avatar, wave them around all you want, but don't dare try to then lecture me on good political sense.
Cutting out everything in my post except the one sentence you can childishly attack... Nice! Glad to know the liberty movement attracts people like this at around the same rate as other political movements. Dismissing someone for using iconography you don't agree with and don't understand is what the enemy does, boyo. If you don't see the rebel flag as a symbol of secession, fine, but it's been used by libertarians that way for a long time. At least you didn't use the "neo-confederate" slur I hear so often from liberals and neocons. You're exactly like those people who hear the word "anarchist" and think "bomb throwers" or "libertarian" and think "the Kochs", then when corrected you bloviate some rationale to maintain your own ignorance.

Wait, let me put this in a way you can understand; dude, you're just like the guy in high school who... No, no, I can't lower my argumentation or my IQ to your level, even in satire. If the movement fails, it'll be because of people like you, not people like me who refuse to swallow statist establishment history, and actually learn the truth.

A Son of Liberty
01-09-2015, 06:55 PM
I see a difference. Ted Bundy killed for no other reason than his own psychosis. Chris Kyle's kills in war were to save the lives of his buddies. Sure none of them should have been there, but that's beside the point.

You sure about that? How can you claim to know what was in Chris Kyle's heart?

What we can and should do is see things for what they are, and speak of them as they are.

Kyle is answering for his life right now. That is between him and God. We're obligated by Him to speak the truth, to leave judgment to Him, and to pray for our souls and the souls of our fellow man.

PRB
01-09-2015, 07:03 PM
You sure about that? How can you claim to know what was in Chris Kyle's heart?

What we can and should do is see things for what they are, and speak of them as they are.

Kyle is answering for his life right now. That is between him and God. We're obligated by Him to speak the truth, to leave judgment to Him, and to pray for our souls and the souls of our fellow man.

Do you need to know what's in a guy's heart to know he's got a conscience, unlike Ted Bundy?

A Son of Liberty
01-09-2015, 07:16 PM
Do you need to know what's in a guy's heart to know he's got a conscience, unlike Ted Bundy?

Yes, you do. And that's between him and his Maker.

tangent4ronpaul
01-09-2015, 07:24 PM
I tracked this when it went down. There were blackwater snipers there too.

-t

The Rebel Poet
01-10-2015, 03:25 AM
Rebel Poet, thoughtful comments...regarding the stinking Republicrats, i agree with Ron Paul just enough to support him....dennis kucinich too..jim traficant...maybe a handful of others...BUT JUST BARELY...they place(d) complete governmental transparency, ending 'warmongerism,' ending massive monetary fraud, etc., high on their priority list...so do i..

...but i'm constantly frustrated none of these Republicrats will clearly acknowledge the fraudulent nature of (s)elections, political dialogue, etc. ad nauseam....i try to explain this in my dynamic, paradigm-shifting thread, "A Good Reason to Boycott Republicrats" over in the 'Liberty Activism Grass-roots Central" section..;)..it seems to me you start precisely there...

...btw, i take it the answer to the question, 'what % of national politicians endorsed by the so-called "Liberty Movement" sport a letter other than a stinking "R" after their name?' is approximately zero....;)
If you mean national politicians that are currently in office, then yes.

UWDude
01-10-2015, 04:13 AM
Cutting out everything in my post except the one sentence you can childishly attack... Nice!

Yeah, I get it, the swatsika actually is an Indian symbol for peace. Gee whiz, me sooo ignorant! Let's paint that on all our Rand Paul 2016 signs, and chastise people who think we are using racist symbology. They're just ignorant!!! You know, cuz, first, we paint swatsikas all over the place, and then when people get mad, we explain we are actually about peace and liberty! A winning strategy!

And...

Dec 2014 join date. One too many times to the ban bin, eh?

UWDude
01-10-2015, 04:15 AM
You sure about that? How can you claim to know what was in Chris Kyle's heart?


Well, if he was raised in America, his heart was full of red white and blue bullshit that told him he was righteous.

PRB
01-10-2015, 04:38 AM
Yes, you do. And that's between him and his Maker.

Is there such a thing as bad people or people without a conscience? If not, we can stop talking. If so, please tell me how we can know, provided we are not God.

A Son of Liberty
01-10-2015, 05:33 AM
Is there such a thing as bad people or people without a conscience? If not, we can stop talking. If so, please tell me how we can know, provided we are not God.

I'm sure there are bad people/people without a conscience, but I'm unaware of any way to objectively know. Are you?

What I know is that I'm entitled by Divine right to my life, my freedom, and the fruits of my labor. What more do we need to know, really?

PRB
01-10-2015, 04:26 PM
I'm sure there are bad people/people without a conscience, but I'm unaware of any way to objectively know. Are you?


How do you know if you don't objectively know? Do you see the problem with your argument? You want to deny a person's confidence by telling him he's not absolutely perfectly sure, but when I ask you, you say you are sure it's true, but you're not sure.

I can tell you a few ways I can objectively and confidently know something for as certain as I need to for all practical intents and purposes (meaning, as long as I'm alive and sane, to continue living my life with the least trouble)



What I know is that I'm entitled by Divine right to my life, my freedom, and the fruits of my labor. What more do we need to know, really?

How do you know that? Let's get into a circle jerk about circular reasoning, shall we? What is your awareness of an objective way to know it?

The Rebel Poet
01-10-2015, 07:01 PM
Well, if he was raised in America, his heart was full of red white and blue bullshit that told him he was righteous.
I was raised in America, and I don't feel that way. How can you be sure?

UWDude
01-10-2015, 10:50 PM
I was raised in America, and I don't feel that way. How can you be sure?

I'd say the killing of people who did nothing to him, or his country
and
His bragging (and lying) about shooting "looters" in New Orleans.

Mean his actions speak for all of his... ....best intentions.

PRB
01-11-2015, 02:19 AM
I'd say the killing of people who did nothing to him, or his country
and
His bragging (and lying) about shooting "looters" in New Orleans.

Mean his actions speak for all of his... ....best intentions.

or he could've lied and killed nobody at all during Katrina.

Zippyjuan
01-11-2015, 03:02 AM
Drunk Seal in a bar- trying to brag to friends and sound tougher. It could happen.

PRB
01-11-2015, 03:05 AM
Drunk Seal in a bar- trying to brag to friends and sound tougher. It could happen.

one supposedly lie cost his wife close to $2M.

UWDude
01-11-2015, 06:55 AM
or he could've lied and killed nobody at all during Katrina.

He is still bragging about killing people, like it is a good thing. I think that speaks fro itself about what was going on "in his soul"

enhanced_deficit
01-11-2015, 07:03 PM
Drunk Seal in a bar- trying to brag to friends and sound tougher. It could happen.

EM.
Could this also happen when he was not drunkard vizavee Iraqi freedom operation?


In other news, moderate hollywood neecons at WB released this trailor couple of weeks ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItGoIxoVGk

Southron
01-17-2015, 08:44 AM
I saw the movie American Sniper yesterday. It was disturbing. It showed his first kills as a child and then a woman.

More than anything, I got a sense of what a waste the Iraq war was. I'm sure others in the theatre only got some pro-imperialist message but I don't think it was sugar-coated or even glorified the Iraq war.

At the end, it really shows a lack of remorse that Kyle had for everything he did.

enhanced_deficit
01-18-2015, 10:25 AM
American Sniper’s father threatened Clint Eastwood and Bradley Cooper? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?466944-American-Sniper%E2%80%99s-father-threatened-Clint-Eastwood-and-Bradley-Cooper&)

TwelveOhOne
01-19-2015, 01:06 PM
LoL. Of course, why didn't I know that!!

You know, you remind me of one of those dudes in high school that would go around, dressed in black, and claim to practice wicca, but when told he practiced witchcraft, would go into a tirade about ignorance, "Uh, excuse me, uh, excuse me, wicca's not witchcraft, ok, it is a set of techniques based on pagan and druidic ceremony and tradition, ok? Get educated, Gawd."

You can have your stars and bars. But you will fall in to the category of those who claim the pentagram is actually a pagan symbol of peace, and that the Swatsika is actually an Indian symbol of fertility. Put them in your avatar, wave them around all you want, but don't dare try to then lecture me on good political sense.

I won't lecture you on good political sense, although it seems that you could benefit from some charm school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

If you choose to read the above, you will see the very first image listed there looks the same as the "SS" Nazi version (the backwards one is "ZZ" which I had previously thought was the Indian symbol; turns out, the Indian symbol goes both ways, so the "SS" swastika really is an Indian symbol). It has the caption:

"Swastika, a symbol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol) of auspiciousness in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_religions)."

So memories of high school, while perhaps nostalgic, aren't necessarily the right way to navigate one's way through life.

enhanced_deficit
02-09-2015, 02:18 PM
'Legend' of American sniper Chris Kyle looms over murder trial

By Ed Lavandera, CNN Correspondent
Updated 9:54 AM ET, Mon February 9, 2015

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Will 'American Sniper' debate affect veteran's trial? 02:53

One of thousands
Kyle's autobiography, which he wrote with the help of authors Scott McEwen and Jim DeFelice, was published eight months after SEAL Team Six executed the operation that killed Osama bin Laden (http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/26/world/bergen-who-killed-bin-laden/).
That historic operation spurred fascination with the inner workings and personalities that make up one of the U.S. military's most secret and elite forces, yet many military veterans are leery of all the attention Kyle has received.
Kyle, they say, was one of tens of thousands of soldiers who served heroically in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"You remove Chris Kyle from the story, there's 20,000 other heroes that you can put in there," said CNN global affairs analyst James Reese, who runs Tiger Swan, a security consulting firm founded by ex-members of the U.S. Army's elite Delta Force.
Reese, who himself was a sniper, and served separately as a Delta Force commander during battles in Falluja, said special forces operators carry a mystique that appeals to Americans who've never served in the military.
"They are very dynamic," Reese said. "People are drawn to them. They are American heroes. But they're all American heroes."

Tall tales?
But there is a side to Kyle that's overlooked. It's left out of the book and movie, but a series of now-debunked stories have served only to make Kyle's legend larger.

In his autobiography, Kyle wrote about a confrontation with a celebrity whom he called "Scruff Face," later identified as former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura.
Kyle claimed in his book that Ventura told him that the SEALs "deserve to lose a few" in the wars and then, "I laid him out."
Ventura said the incident never happened and sued Kyle for defamation. Last year, a jury ordered Kyle's estate to pay Ventura (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/30/us/ventura-chris-kyle-suit/) nearly $2 million. The verdict is being appealed.
It is just one story in a collection of outlandish tales that Kyle reportedly repeated often.

Kyle bragged about traveling into New Orleans in the days after Hurricane Katrina with a fellow sniper and shooting at least 30 looters from the roof of the Superdome. There's no evidence anything of the sort ever occurred.
And then there's the story Kyle told of how he killed two men who tried to carjack him while he was stopped at a gas station along a rural highway southwest of Dallas. When police arrived to investigate and ran his driver's license, Kyle said, they received a phone number for someone at the Department of Defense. The story ends with the police officers letting Kyle drive away.
'No way to get an answer'

Kyle told the gas station story to Michael Mooney, a writer for D Magazine who was working on a profile. Mooney spent months trying to verify the story, he said.
He interviewed people at every gas station along the stretch of highway where the shooting allegedly happened. He spoke with state and local law enforcement officials in three counties. Nobody had ever heard of the incident.
"He was a hero. He was the most celebrated war hero of our time," Mooney said. "It's really hard to know what to think. We don't know. The fact is he was killed, and there's no way to get an answer from him now."
CNN asked Kyle's widow, Taya, to shed light on why her husband told these stories, but she declined the interview request. A representative said she was not available to speak about the incidents.
At Kyle's funeral, which, befitting the grandeur of his legend, was held in the Dallas Cowboys' massive football stadium, Taya Kyle did not shy away from her husband's darker side.
"I don't need to romanticize Chris because our reality is messy, passionate, full of every extreme emotion known to man, including fear, compassion, anger and pain," she said.

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Michelle Obama Praises American Sniper (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?467853-Michelle-Obama-Praises-American-Sniper&)

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enhanced_deficit
02-27-2015, 02:04 PM
How about the people who are looted? Who makes you judge, jury and executioner when somebody's armed robbing your house? How dare you defend your property with arms!

CK had property in NO that was being looted?