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phill4paul
12-22-2014, 10:06 AM
Then and now. A contrast.


Officers Rally And Dinkins Is Their Target

By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
Published: September 17, 1992

Thousands of off-duty police officers thronged around City Hall yesterday, swarming through police barricades to rally on the steps of the hall and blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge for nearly an hour in the most unruly and angry police demonstration in recent memory.

The 300 uniformed officers who were supposed to control the crowd did little or nothing to stop the protesters from jumping barricades, tramping on automobiles, mobbing the steps of City Hall or taking over the bridge. In some cases, the on-duty officers encouraged the protesters.

While the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association had called the rally to protest Mayor David N. Dinkins's proposal to create an independent civilian agency that would look into police misconduct, the huge turnout -- estimated by the Police Department at 10,000 protesters -- and the harsh emotional pitch reflected widespread anger among rank-and-file officers toward the Mayor for his handling of riots against the police in Washington Heights last July, his refusal to give them semiautomatic weapons and his appointment of an outside panel to investigate corruption.

"He never supports us on anything," said Officer Tara Fanning of the Midtown South Precinct, echoing the view of many in the crowd. "A cop shoots someone with a gun who's a drug dealer, and he goes and visits the family." Dinkins Denounces Protest

Mayor Dinkins, who was not at City Hall during the demonstration, denounced the protest as "bordering on hooliganism" and said he held the P.B.A. president, Phil Caruso, responsible for what happened. He accused Mr. Caruso of inciting his members' passions and suggested the union leader was motivated in part by contract negotiations.

The Mayor also assailed Rudolph W. Giuliani, the probable Republican mayoral candidate, who spoke out against the Mayor at the union rally. Mr. Dinkins said Mr. Giuliani had egged on the protest irresponsibly for political reasons. "He's clearly, clearly an opportunist," Mr. Dinkins said. "He's seizing upon a fragile circumstance in our city for his own political gain."

Mr. Caruso conceded that the protesters who stormed the bridge had got out of hand. He said he did not sanction their actions, but he added that their anger was understandable and warned that the "administration better wake up to what's happening."

"The emotional level did get a little out of control, but sometimes if emotionalism is not evoked publicly, the responsible elements of the community do not listen," he said.

Mr. Giuliani called the Mayor's remarks "desperate and offensive." He denied he had harangued the crowd and said he did not condone demonstrators breaking the law. "The Mayor is dead wrong," he said. "What I attempted to do was to move them away from City Hall."

While about 6,000 officers participated in a peaceful rally on Murray Street, more than 4,000 swarmed over police barricades, blocked the entry to City Hall and later marched onto the Brooklyn Bridge, where they tied up traffic for nearly an hour. Neither the leadership of the P.B.A. nor senior officers of the department were able to control them.

In a telling moment, Chief David W. Scott, the highest ranking uniformed officer in the department, was booed down by the crowd when he implored the officers to move off the steps of City Hall. "I'm disappointed in the fact that police officers would violate the law," Chief Scott said later.

Mr. Caruso and his aides also failed to persuade the splinter group to join the main rally. "Fellas, come on this way," Mr. Caruso said through a bull horn, his words lost in the cacophony.

The protest began shortly after 10 A.M. as officers who had been bused in from all over the city by the union started to march around City Hall Park. From the onset, the demonstrators' rhetoric was vicious. Bristling with banners and signs, the column stretched around the entire park and spilled past the blue sawhorse barricades onto Broadway and Park Row. The officers alternated chants of "No justice! No police!" with slogans like "The Mayor's on Crack."

Many officers wore T-shirts saying "Dinkins Must Go!" Hundreds carried hand-painted signs with sayings like "Dear Mayor, have you hugged a drug dealer today," "Dinkins, We Know Your True Color -- Yellow Bellied."

At 10:50 A.M., a few demonstrators chanting "Take the hall! Take the hall!" flooded over the barriers and into the parking lot in front of City Hall, meeting no resistance from the police on guard. Cheering and screaming, thousands of others poured through from every side of the park and seethed up the hall steps. Some mounted automobiles and began a raucous demonstration, denting the cars.

While the rowdier demonstrators refused to leave the City Hall area, most of the group crowded onto Murray Street between Church Street and Broadway, where they listened to sharply worded speeches from Mr. Caruso, Mr. Giuliani and, finally, Michael O'Keefe, the officer who was cleared by a grand jury recently in the shooting death of a Dominican man in Washington Heights. Many officers flooded the bars along Murray Street and drank openly on the street during the speeches.

At 11:40 A.M., several thousand of the officers in front of City Hall marched onto the Brooklyn Bridge, again meeting no resistance, while others joined the rally on Murray Street. Ten minutes later, the bridge was blocked in both directions with more than 2,000 officers milling on both roadways. They blocked traffic until about 12:20, when the crowd began to dissipate.

During most of that time, there were no uniformed officers on the bridge, though four officers on scooters arrived shortly after noon. They did virtually nothing to control the crowd. At one point, a New York Times photographer who was taking pictures was surrounded by demonstrators, punched in the back and shoved. A police lieutenant told the photographer, Keith Meyers, that he should leave the bridge. "I can't protect you up here," the officer said. A New York Times reporter, Alan Finder, was also kicked in the stomach.

At 12:30 P.M., 40 minutes after the bridge was first blocked, a handful of senior police commanders arrived to talk to the remaining protesters, who had dwindled to about 200. By 12:40, the bridge was reopened.

Asked why the department did not take stronger action to control the protesters, Raymond W. Kelly, the Acting Police Commissioner, said the size and vehemence of the protest had caught police commanders by surprise. He promised a full investigation to determine if any protesters had broken the law and whether on-duty officers were too lenient.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/17/nyregion/officers-rally-and-dinkins-is-their-target.html

phill4paul
12-22-2014, 10:53 AM
Additional info regarding that last sentence...


Raymond W. Kelly, the Acting Police Commissioner, said the size and vehemence of the protest had caught police commanders by surprise. He promised a full investigation to determine if any protesters had broken the law and whether on-duty officers were too lenient.


Strong Words for a Police Riot

Published: September 30, 1992

A heavy cloud of politics hangs over Acting New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly's preliminary report on the police riot at City Hall. The report is thick with language critical of the unruly behavior but apparently thin on charges against individual rioters. Even so, the report is no whitewash; it serves the public's interest by maintaining the Police Department's credibility.

The demonstration two weeks ago to protest Mayor David Dinkins's plan for a more independent civilian complaint review board quickly deteriorated into a brawl. Beer-drinking officers broke through barricades to rush the steps of City Hall; others blocked traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge and used racial epithets to describe the Mayor.

The event became an issue in the campaign for next year's mayoral election. Rudolph Giuliani, expected to mount a Republican challenge to Mr. Dinkins, showed up to support the police demonstration and berate the Mayor. Apparently betting -- irresponsibly -- that divisiveness will win votes, Mr. Giuliani still glosses over the rioters' conduct.

Small wonder, then, that Mr. Dinkins's Acting Commissioner, running hard for the permanent appointment, should issue a report that packages a relative handful of disciplinary charges against his own officers in strong rhetoric that should please the Mayor. The report nevertheless confirms that there were racial slurs and drinking and finds that commanders in charge of policing the riot made tactical errors.


Rightly observing that the event "raised serious questions about the Department's willingness and ability to police itself," Mr. Kelly did not mince words. He criticized "the unruly, mean-spirited and perhaps criminal behavior" of demonstrators and said their police union leaders "degraded the reputation of this Department and put their fellow on-duty officers at risk" from the demonstrators.

For all that, investigators sifting through news photos have so far identified only 87 of the 10,000 who took part, and only 42 face disciplinary charges. Could the inquiry have produced more? Possibly not. Police officials point to the difficulty of identifying members of an off-duty mob, and charges have to be based on solid evidence because defendants are entitled to formal in-house trials where they are represented by union lawyers.

The investigation is continuing and may yet produce more substance. For now, however, Mr. Kelly deserves credit for the promptness of his account, and its reassuring tone of censure.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/09/30/opinion/strong-words-for-a-police-riot.html


Words. Nothing more.

tod evans
12-22-2014, 10:56 AM
Hmmmm,

If the citizenry were better armed than the constabulary as intended maybe these thugs would have behaved...

phill4paul
12-22-2014, 10:59 AM
Hmmmm,

If the citizenry were better armed than the constabulary as intended maybe these thugs would have behaved...

Police policing the police. What could go wrong?


Rudy Guiliani Knows Exactly How To Spark A Police Riot -- Because He Did It Before

By karoli December 22, 2014 6:00 am

It's not the first time he's done it, and he knows exactly what he's doing.

When Rudy Guiliani declared that Mayor Bill DeBlasio allowed the Eric Garner protests to go too far, allowing protesters to take over the streets and "hurt police officers" he knew exactly what he was doing.

It turns out he did the same thing to Mayor David Dinkins back in the 90s. Balloon Juice found the archived New York Times article, and boy is it a doozy.

Article in OP.


He knew exactly what he was doing then, as he does now.

And look at those demands the NYPD was putting out there. Semiautomatic weapons? Hissy fits over the requirement to be accountable? Police officers aren't the military. They don't need weapons that shoot down more people in a minute than could possibly be a threat.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/12/rudy-guiliani-knows-exactly-how-spark

sparebulb
12-22-2014, 11:02 AM
Words. Nothing more.

Wow!

What a gem from the way-back machine.

Only the likes of Sean Handjobbity or Snark Levin would not see the sick irony.

+1 for you.

jmdrake
12-22-2014, 11:24 AM
I think it's time to start seriously talking about alternatives to police and 911 like this app.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP2EiGZBsiQ

phill4paul
12-22-2014, 11:32 AM
I think it's time to start seriously talking about alternatives to police and 911 like this app.


We can talk alternatives until we are blue in the face. Nothing wrong with that, mind you. At some point an alternative must be found. However,a fact of human history is that those that hold power will not freely give it over at the asking. The police, justice dept., and the politicians that use and in turn are used by them will double down. There is a reason why the police are militarizing.

phill4paul
12-22-2014, 02:58 PM
Wow, there is no telling the rabbit hole one might go down with just a simple search...

Here's something I found. A Rudy Giuliani, aka 'The Human Scream Machine', "Vulnerability Study" by Giuliani for New York. So much in this regarding the issue with the police riots. Too much to copy paste and it's a pdf, so....

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/giuliani_vulnerability.pdf

Schifference
12-22-2014, 03:14 PM
Did they call in the National Guard?

DamianTV
12-22-2014, 05:26 PM
The behavior of these para-militant Police is exactly what will start a full scale Revolution.

Step #1: End the War on Drugs.

"Take the Silver or take the Lead". Its a phrase that many Cops in Mexico are already all too familiar with, and many here are learning as well. It means "take our bribe or take our bullets", and is presented by criminal organizations other than Govts to weild power over the Law Enforcers. The real power lies in the Law to protect the lives of Officers, if that is even considered. By removing the Law from the equation, the Cops are no longer expected to treat everything as an illegal substance. The prices of those illegal substances are determined by Risk and less by supply and demand. Making something legal again pulls Risk out of the equation completely, and will cause the Black Market of drugs to collapse.

On the side of Liberty in general, there are a lot of people who profit heavily from the War on Drugs. Private Prison Industrial Complex, Cops, and Drug Dealers. Laws create Black Market Business Models. Private Prisons are paid tons of money to house drug violators, Cops make overtime and justify their existence, and the Cartels could not withstand legal competition. We typically associate War on Drugs using Cops as the Front Line Soldier, which causes violence between every citizen and the Cops. Remove the Law and the Cops have nothing to enforce, nor any excuse for their actions. We can invalidate their claims for their existence and have less violence. Less Laws means less criminals, which lessens the occupancy rate, and invalidates their excuses for existence. Cartels will also whither and die because no Risk from their product means they have to compete with each other instead of allowing the Cops to set the level of Risk, and thereby the price. Cartels dont really have any control over the price of drugs. All three Black Market Business Model Entities will have to seek their money and power elsewhere, leavnig the Citizens safer by orders of magnitude than if the War on Drugs is allowed to continue its Liberty Destructive design.

The thread title is about controlling the Animal Police. And the easiest way I can think of to do that is to tell them we no longer need their legalized Monopoly on Violence. That is the most peaceful way I can conclude to control them. A dog with no teeth can still bark, while its bite no longer draws blood.

End the failed War on Drugs.