paulitics
12-03-2007, 03:17 PM
Please read the whole thing. :)
I recently spoke to nice lady at USPS about this project. She said the main thing is to make sure it is secure, and that nothing can leak out. She couldn't guarnatee that it would zip through, so she suggested I bring it in. She mentioned something, about taping the item, to secure it. Someone else metioned, putting it in a ziplock bag. This may not be required everywhere, but sounds like a sound idea. You will also get a discount, and can work with them if you bring it up to the counter and discuss, instead of mail dumping. Food for thought. :)
There were some other ideas, and compromises, and honestly if we still do this
I think the least safe idea is actually opening the package up, pouring out the contents, and sending an empty wrapper. For one, it was obviously tampered with, and particles may sttill be loose. It does not give the receiver of the envelope an opportunity to discard it if they are alarmed. Imagine receiving an opened package of anything suspicious, ? Not cool, even if you think it is completely empty. Why, because you had no opportuntiy to discard it. With a sealed wrapper, you do. It actually infringes upon your liberty to inspect it and throw it away before it is opened.
So, I recomend you do the same myself and a couple of others did today, CHECK first. Each Post Office may be different depending on the regulations of your town.
If you send it out without it being secure, and without a sealed paper wrapper, you are probably breaking their regulations. If you do a massive dump, without following basic procedures you may be breaking the LAW, because you are in essence interfering with their normal functions of screening and delivering mail.
And you know what, YOU DESERVE to get fined in my opinion for tying up the post office workers that should be doing their job of screening and delivering mail. Oh, and not to mention could be a bad press story in your local news reflecting negatively on the campaign because you said "to hell with the post office".
Remember, we are not protesting the people at the post office, The post office is not our problem, lets not make enemies with them :cool:
If there are thousands of us, being careless and insensitive about their procedures, we are asking for trouble. We will slow down the post offices that day, draw attention to perhaps DHS, etc. :mad: This will definately get in the press. It will make us look like sloppy and selfish, people. They will think libertarians don't give a rats behind about why regualtions are in place for safety, and efficiency and will solidify their prejudices against us, without any spin from the media. And you know what I will agree with them on this, because it is exactly what it is, selfish and childish.
Now finally, the President's office advises against sending food or beverage items? I surmise Congress has the same policy, for the same reasons. If we continue with this, we need to let them know that they will be receiving likely a hundred thousand tea bags. The same thing should go for congress, etc. To gridlock government that day is irresponsible and, I know some of you still think that the public will love us for it, but please be realistic. They should be forwarned about something major like 100,000 tea bags that their security will have to deal with.
If we cover our ASS, than we avoid 2 things.
1) Something seriously going wrong, like a real lunatic, or provocatear engaging in mischief, which none of us want to see happen, BUT CAN HAPPEN. If the post office does their job, and we do our job, than we are not to blame after that point. Our hands will be clean. It will cut down on the mayhem. Real terrorists choose days that have alot of mayhem. 911 had alot of mayhem in the morning, with all of the drills and war games. I know this is a low risk, but it is far more possible with this idea, than anything else we have done.
2) Blowback from the media. They will not be able to lie and say we broke the law, and didn't warn people of what was coming. Any made up story, or spin will be shoved right back in their face. If we are truly wrong, how will we counter that? the public at large will not sympathise if we are sloppy, inconsiderate, careless, or seem like anarchists/lunatics who have no respect for the law or general flow of things. Your view is biased if you think otherwise.
If some of you choose to do it your way, and throw a tantrum, than I will not support you or your cause. In essence, it is you who is derailing this TEA PARTY. Not me, the tea party was developed a long time before this idea, and is not what people pledged for. Please be respectful, and enough of this "to hell with this, everyone is a naysayer, and a troll BS". Grow up.
Thank you.
I recently spoke to nice lady at USPS about this project. She said the main thing is to make sure it is secure, and that nothing can leak out. She couldn't guarnatee that it would zip through, so she suggested I bring it in. She mentioned something, about taping the item, to secure it. Someone else metioned, putting it in a ziplock bag. This may not be required everywhere, but sounds like a sound idea. You will also get a discount, and can work with them if you bring it up to the counter and discuss, instead of mail dumping. Food for thought. :)
There were some other ideas, and compromises, and honestly if we still do this
I think the least safe idea is actually opening the package up, pouring out the contents, and sending an empty wrapper. For one, it was obviously tampered with, and particles may sttill be loose. It does not give the receiver of the envelope an opportunity to discard it if they are alarmed. Imagine receiving an opened package of anything suspicious, ? Not cool, even if you think it is completely empty. Why, because you had no opportuntiy to discard it. With a sealed wrapper, you do. It actually infringes upon your liberty to inspect it and throw it away before it is opened.
So, I recomend you do the same myself and a couple of others did today, CHECK first. Each Post Office may be different depending on the regulations of your town.
If you send it out without it being secure, and without a sealed paper wrapper, you are probably breaking their regulations. If you do a massive dump, without following basic procedures you may be breaking the LAW, because you are in essence interfering with their normal functions of screening and delivering mail.
And you know what, YOU DESERVE to get fined in my opinion for tying up the post office workers that should be doing their job of screening and delivering mail. Oh, and not to mention could be a bad press story in your local news reflecting negatively on the campaign because you said "to hell with the post office".
Remember, we are not protesting the people at the post office, The post office is not our problem, lets not make enemies with them :cool:
If there are thousands of us, being careless and insensitive about their procedures, we are asking for trouble. We will slow down the post offices that day, draw attention to perhaps DHS, etc. :mad: This will definately get in the press. It will make us look like sloppy and selfish, people. They will think libertarians don't give a rats behind about why regualtions are in place for safety, and efficiency and will solidify their prejudices against us, without any spin from the media. And you know what I will agree with them on this, because it is exactly what it is, selfish and childish.
Now finally, the President's office advises against sending food or beverage items? I surmise Congress has the same policy, for the same reasons. If we continue with this, we need to let them know that they will be receiving likely a hundred thousand tea bags. The same thing should go for congress, etc. To gridlock government that day is irresponsible and, I know some of you still think that the public will love us for it, but please be realistic. They should be forwarned about something major like 100,000 tea bags that their security will have to deal with.
If we cover our ASS, than we avoid 2 things.
1) Something seriously going wrong, like a real lunatic, or provocatear engaging in mischief, which none of us want to see happen, BUT CAN HAPPEN. If the post office does their job, and we do our job, than we are not to blame after that point. Our hands will be clean. It will cut down on the mayhem. Real terrorists choose days that have alot of mayhem. 911 had alot of mayhem in the morning, with all of the drills and war games. I know this is a low risk, but it is far more possible with this idea, than anything else we have done.
2) Blowback from the media. They will not be able to lie and say we broke the law, and didn't warn people of what was coming. Any made up story, or spin will be shoved right back in their face. If we are truly wrong, how will we counter that? the public at large will not sympathise if we are sloppy, inconsiderate, careless, or seem like anarchists/lunatics who have no respect for the law or general flow of things. Your view is biased if you think otherwise.
If some of you choose to do it your way, and throw a tantrum, than I will not support you or your cause. In essence, it is you who is derailing this TEA PARTY. Not me, the tea party was developed a long time before this idea, and is not what people pledged for. Please be respectful, and enough of this "to hell with this, everyone is a naysayer, and a troll BS". Grow up.
Thank you.