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Marenco
12-22-2014, 12:52 AM
We’ve Known for 1,700 Years that Torture Produces False Confessions

Mark Costanzo (Claremont McKenna professor of psychology) and Ellen Gerrity (Duke University professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences) note in a study published in the journal Social Issues and Policy Review:

''As early as the third century A.D., the great Roman Jurist Ulpian noted that
information obtained through torture was not to be trusted because some people are “so susceptible to pain that they will tell any lie rather than suffer it” (Peters, 1996). This warning about the unreliability of information extracted through the use of torture has echoed across the centuries.''

Lawrence Davidson – history professor at West Chester University in Pennsylvania – points out today:

''In 1764 Cesare Beccaria [an Italian criminologist, jurist, philosopher, and politician who had a profound effect on America’s Founding Fathers] published his groundbreaking work, On Crimes and Punishments. Beccaria had examined all the evidence available at that time and concluded that individuals under torture will tell their interrogators anything they want to hear, true or not, just to get the pain to stop.''

The successful and ruthless general Napolean Bonaparte wrote in 1798:

''The barbarous custom of having men beaten who are suspected of having important secrets to reveal must be abolished. It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile. The poor wretches say anything that comes into their mind and what they think the interrogator wishes to know.''

This ancient wisdom has been verified by the top American interrogation experts over the last 100 years.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/weve-known-1700-years-torture-produces-false-confessions.html

oyarde
12-22-2014, 01:07 AM
Well I have known since I was about 5 yrs old .

jmdrake
12-22-2014, 08:40 AM
And bringing this to modern times:

Why Khalid Sheik Mohammed's testimony rings false - Time op-ed by former CIA field officer Robert Baer
http://content.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1599861,00.html

Khalid Sheik Mohammed "confessed" to planning an attack on a building that wasn't even in the design stage until after his arrest.
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/160307afterarrest.htm

So the reason we need torture to stop terror is......?

echo1
12-22-2014, 12:39 PM
When my daughter was in 4th grade, she was made to stand in a corner (no sitting allowed) until she confessed to her "crime". I believed her when she told me she was innocent, but the school principle proudly proclaimed she had a "confession".

Daughter only agreed to confession to get out of the "torture".

What our gov doing is no different.

Torture is BS and I'm ashamed of my country for resulting to a totalitarian trick and then justifying it.

TheTexan
12-22-2014, 12:41 PM
It works fine for Jack Bauer, most of the time.

PRB
12-22-2014, 02:23 PM
1. who is "we"
2. torturers don't care about truth, they care about confession/conviction

DamianTV
12-22-2014, 05:49 PM
1. who is "we"
2. torturers don't care about truth, they care about confession/conviction

Not much difference between a Lawyer and a Torturer...

Natural Citizen
12-22-2014, 06:00 PM
Dang. Lookit what I found. Sheesh...

http://www.medievality.com/images/torture/saw.jpg




During the Middle Ages, torture was a very common way to punish offenders. Following are the most common torture devices used during the Middle Ages. Viewer discretion is advised.




Medieval Torture (http://www.medievality.com/torture.html)

PRB
12-22-2014, 06:04 PM
Dang. Lookit what I found. Sheesh...

http://www.medievality.com/images/torture/saw.jpg



Medieval Torture (http://www.medievality.com/torture.html)

medieval demonization is propaganda made up by renaissance apologists to glorify science and spit on religion.

See PIG on western civilization
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Western-Civilization-Guides/dp/1596980591

NIU Students for Liberty
12-22-2014, 07:46 PM
medieval demonization is propaganda made up by renaissance apologists to glorify science and spit on religion.

See PIG on western civilization
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Western-Civilization-Guides/dp/1596980591

Are you saying that torture did not exist in Europe during that time period?

DamianTV
12-22-2014, 07:53 PM
For fucks sake, every Parent knows that children will do the exact same thing. Admit to something they did not do just to make the spanking stop.