Union: NYPD Now a "Wartime" police department....

[phill4paul]

Now it is.....


The New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the NYPD's union, has issued this statement following the deaths of two police officers in an ambush:

"Starting IMMEDIATELY: At least two units are to respond to EVERY call, no matter the condition or severity, no matter what type of job is pending, or what the opinion of the patrol supervisor happens to be.

“IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.

“These are precautions that were taken in the 1970's when police officers were ambushed and executed on a regular basis.

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/#ixzz3MXh1C9br

They will act accordingly. Well, at least there is a silver lining....


Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary

[phill4paul]

The head of the state Policemen's Benevolent Association says the unchecked climate of "hatred" against police officers contributed to the shooting deaths of two New York cops Saturday.

"The attack on these officers is nothing less then an act of domestic terrorism spurred on by so much recent hatred aimed at officers everywhere," Patrick Colligan said in an emailed statement. "Our society stands safer because of the sacrifices officers make everyday, but the hatred that has grown over the past few weeks in this country has gone unchecked by many elected leaders. We all need to stand up, speak up, and oppose those who attack our law enforcement everywhere."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/nypd_officers_shot_nj_reacts.html#incart_m-rpt-2

[aGameOfThrones]

The head of the state Policemen's Benevolent Association says the unchecked climate of "hatred" against police officers contributed to the shooting deaths of two New York cops Saturday.

"The attack on these officers is nothing less then an act of domestic terrorism spurred on by so much recent hatred aimed at officers everywhere," Patrick Colligan said in an emailed statement. "Our society stands safer because of the sacrifices officers make everyday, but the hatred that has grown over the past few weeks in this country has gone unchecked by many elected leaders. We all need to stand up, speak up, and oppose those who attack our law enforcement everywhere."

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/nypd_officers_shot_nj_reacts.html#incart_m-rpt-2

there was no room left to point out that the hatred is because of the many abuses the nypd commit on a daily basis.... maybe next time.

[phill4paul]

there was no room left to point out that the hatred is because of the many abuses the nypd commit on a daily basis.... maybe next time.

I feel the overwhelming need to stand up, speak up and oppose your attack on law enforcement.

http://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/pv9QHRf.gif

[Suzanimal]

Police union leader Pat Lynch is telling officers to use “extreme discretion," in response to what he said was a lack of support from City Hall and Washington in the wake of last month's grand jury decision not to indict an officer in the death of Eric Garner.

“If we won’t get support when we do our jobs, if we’re going to get hurt for doing what’s right then we’re going to do it the way they want it," he said last Friday. "Let me be perfectly clear. We will use extreme discretion in every encounter.”

He also said, “Our friends, we’re courteous to them. Our enemies, extreme discretion. The rules are made by them to hurt you. Well now we’ll use those rules to protect us.”

...

At the same event, Lynch said Mayor Bill de Blasio acts more like the leader of "a fucking revolution" than a city.

A spokesman for the P.B.A., Al O’Leary, said Lynch was not encouraging a work slowdown.

“He said to do the job right,” said O’Leary, who was in attendance for the meeting. “The message I got was do the job right, do the job according to the rules, which is good advice anytime.”

...

In the audio recording, Lynch urges officers to police the streets in a way that protects them from critics.

“There’s a book they make for us where if you carried it with you, you won’t need to go to the gym," Lynch said. "Every time there’s a problem, they tell us what we can’t do. They tell us what we shouldn’t do. But they never tell us what we can do. We’re going to take that book, their rules and we’re going to protect ourselves because they won’t. We will do it the way they want us to do it. We will do it with their stupid rules, even the ones that don’t work.”

...

Lynch also complained about members of "the United States Congress standing on the steps of the Capitol raising their hand as if police officers aren’t protecting their rights to do stupid shit like that," referring to a Dec. 11 demonstration in Washington.

Lynch also encouraged officers to sign an affidavit saying that in the event they’re killed in the line of duty, they do not want the mayor at their funeral or wake, a letter that has been criticized by the mayor, NYPD Commissioner and even Timothy Cardinal Dolan.

“If they’re not going to support us when we need ‘em, we’ll embarrass them when we can,” he said.

On the recording, Lynch also says of de Blasio, “He is not running the city of New York. He thinks he’s running a fucking revolution.”

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2014/12/8558814/private-meeting-union-head-tells-officers-use-extreme-discretion

[phill4paul]

“There’s a book they make for us where if you carried it with you, you won’t need to go to the gym," Lynch said. "Every time there’s a problem, they tell us what we can’t do. They tell us what we shouldn’t do. But they never tell us what we can do. We’re going to take that book, their rules and we’re going to protect ourselves because they won’t. We will do it the way they want us to do it. We will do it with their stupid rules, even the ones that don’t work.”

Well, seems like the law of unintended consequence may have shifted in the peoples favor.

[PaulConventionWV]

Now it is.....



Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/#ixzz3MXh1C9br

They will act accordingly. Well, at least there is a silver lining....

I assume that means they won't be targeting victimless crimes? What a relief. That'll show 'em.

[jkr]

um
isnt
that

treason
?

[moostraks]

Non-police die and we are told to get over it, police die and it is a national crisis for which they will now acknowledge they are at war with their employers. Screw them...yeah, go ahead add that to your nifty profile of me jerks. And are we supposed to feel sorry for them having to play by the rules? Try being a citizen targeted by a police thug and not having immunity from the enormous rule book for citizens that will get you tazed, caged, and/or murdered. Cry me a river officers. I am playing my little violen for you. Easy solution if you don't want to be the "victim" of public contempt or hatred, QUIT!!!

[phill4paul]

Try being a citizen targeted by a police thug and not having immunity from the enormous rule book for citizens that will get you tazed, caged, and/or murdered.

This.

https://kellidgordonlibertyblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/rules-and-regs-by-mike-lee.jpg

[moostraks]

um
isnt
that

treason
?


Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, 89 S. Ct. 1827, 23 L. Ed. 2d 430 [1969]). On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the distribution of leaflets protesting the draft during World War I was not constitutionally protected speech (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]). http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/treason

Seems like he is walking a fine line. He is calling for them to use the rule book to embarass the government, while saying they are declaring themselves a wartime police department. If the officers are incited by this to act in a manner that is not legal and the fact that the beef seems to be directed at the establishment (mayor) and that the citizen population is going to be used (targeted)( through war tactics?) to change government, well, with the way legal accountability goes down in regards to officers nowadays, likely the only people screwed are citizens who will be pawns in the chess game between two over inflated egos who feast at the trough and will use the public coffers to fund their war.

[moostraks]

This.

https://kellidgordonlibertyblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/rules-and-regs-by-mike-lee.jpg

Somebody should email that pic to that cry baby Lynch...

[Peace&Freedom]

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”

A backwards admission about the militarization of police forces in this country, where mere criticism of their abusive engagement of suspects over non-violent/non-victim offenses, is now treated as an act of war.

[Weston White]

This is hogwash multiplied—the people had NEVER consented to your agency's senseless and relentless beating of them, searching of them, belittling of them, harassing of them, spying upon them, stealing from them, or shooting of them—and certainly let us not focus on the causation of their anger against the likes of you, but only their angry words and actions; such single-mindedness (and certainly no surprise there), schlemiel:


"The attack on these officers is nothing less then an act of domestic terrorism spurred on by so much recent hatred aimed at officers everywhere," Patrick Colligan said in an emailed statement.


That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[JK/SEA]

well Lynch..i always get paranoid too when i'm surrounded...

put your hands up asshole.

[moostraks]

hours after two New York City police officers were assassinated, allegedly in an act of retaliation against police brutality, authorities in Florida say that a similar killing has just happened there...

While the police claim that this was an “assassination,” some are suggesting that they are trying to incite fear, riding the paranoia surrounding the New York killings.
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/12/another-cop-assassinated-in-retaliation-for-police-killings/#

Heads up...now some of the FB rants are starting to make sense on the recent police brutality cases. Self fulfilling prophecy it seems. Cui Bono?

[69360]

2 dead cops is hardly a war.

But how would RPF feel if somebody walked up and executed two RPF members eating lunch?

You'd all be screaming for war and blood too I expect.

Seems like a normal human reaction to me, despite 2 dead cops being statistically irrelevant.

This has become an increasing problem in the internet 24/7 media age. You can get a huge group of people worked up over something that is a statistical anomaly. Both sides of this cop vs. cop haters are guilty of it.

[JK/SEA]

2 dead cops is hardly a war.

But how would RPF feel if somebody walked up and executed two RPF members eating lunch?

You'd all be screaming for war and blood too I expect.

Seems like a normal human reaction to me, despite 2 dead cops being statistically irrelevant.

This has become an increasing problem in the internet 24/7 media age. You can get a huge group of people worked up over something that is a statistical anomaly. Both sides of this cop vs. cop haters are guilty of it.


humans get killed every day, by all kinds of means. Why is a cop getting killed any different than a citizen getting killed?....

i look at it as the price you pay for getting the privilege of being born into this existance.

this 'executed' mantra is silly, at best.

A RPF member getting executed?....depends on who it is....

[phill4paul]

But how would RPF feel if somebody walked up and executed two RPF members eating lunch?


Much differently than if a cop executed two RPF members eating lunch and then not being indicted for it because of authoritarianism/state collusion.

[69360]

Much differently than if a cop executed two RPF members eating lunch and then not being indicted for it because of authoritarianism/state collusion.

But I didn't say a cop. What if some random person with a grievance did it. I suspect you all would want blood.

[69360]

humans get killed every day, by all kinds of means. Why is a cop getting killed any different than a citizen getting killed?....

It isn't.

[phill4paul]

But I didn't say a cop. What if some random person with a grievance did it. I suspect you all would want blood.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want the blood of random people because of a random person.

[Cleaner44]

I wonder if this means the NYPD won't have time to stop and frisk people illegally.

[jkob]

maybe the NYPD should look out for itself and not enforce unjust laws, if they're still afraid then quit

[TheTexan]

“IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.


We will do it with their stupid rules, even the ones that don’t work.

Ya, ha! We'll see how THEY like it when our officers stop arresting people unnecessarily. That'll show them!

[ZENemy]

Let's stand together and peacefully stop funding this government before this gets worse.

[Valli6]

WTF? Don't you all see what this means?!


Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and/or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/#ixzz3MXh1C9br
:)
You can go ahead and sell your untaxed cigarettes! Bootleg merchandise! Any other contraband!
Go ahead and smoke anywhere you want - in the streets, in the park, in the bar!!!
Do hundreds of different things without getting a permit!
No parking tickets!
No pre-crimes!
Don't you all know how many petty and bizarre laws exist in New York City?!

The elected and appointed tax-pigs DEPEND on revenue collected through the enforcement of their arbitrary laws. It's what enables them to maintain the lifestyles they are accustomed to, and run the city according to their warped plans.

THEY are the ones who write the laws to be enforced (not just what gets taxed or regulated)!
THEY determine what kind of person qualifies to be a cop and who is disqualified!
THEY determine when and why a cop should be fired!
THEY choose which cops are put in charge - to give out the orders the others are supposed to carry out.

Currently, the only thing these people care about in a police department is the "diversity" of the force, and the "disparate impact" that results if they were to hire only the highest scoring, most emotionally-stable applicants. It's been entirely about politics!

If this guy means what he's saying, victimless-crime laws will remain unenforced!

This means millions, most likely BILLIONS of dollars, which NYC's ruling class will not get their hands on!
Meanwhile, life will be easier for ordinary people, and the taste of freedom they will experience will show them what they've been missing!

[Anti Federalist]

Soooo...returning fire works?


WTF? Don't you all see what this means?!


:)
You can go ahead and sell your untaxed cigarettes! Bootleg merchandise! Any other contraband!
Go ahead and smoke anywhere you want - in the streets, in the park, in the bar!!!
Do hundreds of different things without getting a permit!
No parking tickets!
No pre-crimes!
Don't you all know how many petty and bizarre laws exist in New York City?!

The elected and appointed tax-pigs DEPEND on revenue collected through the enforcement of their arbitrary laws. It's what enables them to maintain the lifestyles they are accustomed to, and run the city according to their warped plans.

THEY are the ones who write the laws to be enforced (not just what gets taxed or regulated)!
THEY determine what kind of person qualifies to be a cop and who is disqualified!
THEY determine when and why a cop should be fired!
THEY choose which cops are put in charge - to give out the orders the others are supposed to carry out.

Currently, the only thing these people care about in a police department is the "diversity" of the force, and the "disparate impact" that results if they were to hire only the highest scoring, most emotionally-stable applicants. It's been entirely about politics!

If this guy means what he's saying, victimless-crime laws will remain unenforced!

This means millions, most likely BILLIONS of dollars, which NYC's ruling class will not get their hands on!
Meanwhile, life will be easier for ordinary people, and the taste of freedom they will experience will show them what they've been missing!

[Anti Federalist]

I asked this in another thread:



So, 1 thousand out of 316 million?

While regrettable, you probably shouldn't use that statistic to advance your cause.

How many of those are suicide by cop or darwin by cop? Subtract those from your total.

You are more likely to die from an infected toenail...

Very true, and you are ten times more likely to be killed by cop than a terrorist.

That didn't stop Theme from turning our nation inside out and into a prison state in the name of "fightin' terruh"

So, tell me, to your mind, what is an unacceptable number?

10,000?

100,000

1,000,000

How high should it go before you get upset enough to do something? To admit that there is a deadly serious problem afoot?

Look, there are already more people in prison in the US than any other place in the world.

80,000 plus SWAT raids every year and climbing.

A dead dog killed by cops every 98 minutes.

Billions every year in "asset forfeitures".

So even if it is nothing more than writing SWLODs and raising hell at local police commission meetings, what's your level of "high piss off"?

Of "this, and no more"?

[UWDude]

This.

https://kellidgordonlibertyblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/rules-and-regs-by-mike-lee.jpg

How much you wanna bet a copy of the constitution and bill of rights is NOT in that giant stack of rules?

[Suzanimal]

Rapper The Game Sends a Message to the NYPD: “I guess y’all ‘can’t breathe’ either."

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/rapper-game-sends-message-nypd-i-guess-yall-cant-breathe-either/#oUxBzEDu622St4LG.99

[Valli6]

Soooo...returning fire works?
Absolutely not applicable! And this isn't really "returning fire" anyway, since the cops killed had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Killing persons who don't even have a connection to your grievance, will always be wrong, non-productive, immature and stupid!

For all the talk about respecting individualism on these boards, it never ceases to amaze me how some of you can throw it all out the window once you label someone a "cop". It's hypocritical. Would we have organizations like Oathkeepers, if all cops thought with one mind?

Refusing to fine or arrest people over bad laws - when later on, the hypocrites ordering you to do so have blatantly stated that they don't support your doing so, and won't back you up if you follow their orders - that may work - we'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

It appears they intend to "go on strike", but only in regard to victimless crimes. Let DeBlasio & Co. learn how much they've been depending on money acquired through victimizing harmless individuals they've turned into "criminals" through their thoughtless, authoritative laws. Let's see how citizens feel about the change. That will leave the ball in Deblasio's court. Can't wait to see how he responds!

[moostraks]

Absolutely not applicable! And this isn't really "returning fire" anyway, since the cops killed had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Killing persons who don't even have a connection to your grievance, will always be wrong, non-productive, immature and stupid!

For all the talk about respecting individualism on these boards, it never ceases to amaze me how some of you can throw it all out the window once you label someone a "cop". It's hypocritical. Would we have organizations like Oathkeepers, if all cops thought with one mind?

Refusing to fine or arrest people over bad laws - when later on, the hypocrites ordering you to do so have blatantly stated that they don't support your doing so, and won't back you up if you follow their orders - that may work - we'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

It appears they intend to "go on strike", but only in regard to victimless crimes. Let DeBlasio & Co. learn how much they've been depending on money acquired through victimizing harmless individuals they've turned into "criminals" through their thoughtless, authoritative laws. Let's see how citizens feel about the change. That will leave the ball in Deblasio's court. Can't wait to see how he responds!

When a military occupies a country, all members of said military are participating in the oppression of the populace, from the lowly foot soldier to the chaplain, they all support the mission of the military whose uniform they wear. Now, personally I do not condone violence for resolution of this situation but I can understand why it is a response by many as the country was born through violence and continually propagandizes its right to empire build through violence. Violence is the go to narrative with which the state educates each generation as the solution and necessity for maintaining stability.

Each officer is an individual, imo, one who is choosing a career for which they are accountable. Now just like with prostitutes, I may understand why a person chose the career, but I will not respect a person who embraces such an occupation, because the career choice indicates a moral choice with which I personally disagree. So it is not judging the group but judging the individual for their freely made choice. I wouldn't respect a member of the mafia either, fwiw, but at least the prostitute or mafia member is not forcing me to pay their wages.

[invisible]

Absolutely not applicable! And this isn't really "returning fire" anyway, since the cops killed had nothing to do with killing anyone.

Killing persons who don't even have a connection to your grievance, will always be wrong, non-productive, immature and stupid!

How many people, who had never done anything to actually harm or defraud someone, had their property stolen and / or were kidnapped at gunpoint by those very same cops? Isn't this the same sort of "thuggish" behavior that DFF, 69360, and tobismom all repeatedly argue that people deserve to be killed for?

[Anti Federalist]

Absolutely not applicable!

So, the cops have NOT declared war on us, and all that talk and military gear and training is just that, talk in a bag?

[Pericles]

Soooo...returning fire works?

Those guys don't know what a real war looks like.

[otherone]

If this guy means what he's saying, victimless-crime laws will remain unenforced!
This means millions, most likely BILLIONS of dollars, which NYC's ruling class will not get their hands on!
Meanwhile, life will be easier for ordinary people, and the taste of freedom they will experience will show them what they've been missing!

That was easier than we expected.
HOORAY for voting!
The system works!

[tod evans]

I wouldn't respect a member of the mafia either, fwiw, but at least the prostitute or mafia member is not forcing me to pay their wages.

I've known some very upright and honest Guidos in my day, any one of whom would be preferable to the tax-ticks we're saddled with now.....

As far as prostitutes.........At least transactions with them are voluntary and pleasurable....

[squarepusher]

ok, a few points on this one

1) Didn't NYPD declare war on blacks and minorities a while back unofficially already?
2) I can feel for the police officers actually, and I think a lot of them are just caught up as victims. Most folks join the police force since they actually want to be heroes, help out, protect their community. Yes, a lot of the "bully/authoritative" types are drawn to this, but something about the simplicity of being a good guy and actually doing a service for the society that these people also like ... which brings us to 3)
3) The actual laws the police are expected to enforce currently (be it drugs/cigarettes/parking tickets/code violations) which keep in mind they had nothing to do with creating, its really mind boggling. People sign up with the force to protect their communities, and end up being a jack boot of the state for code violations. They don't like it, we don't like it, no one likes it

The statement saying that the police are only responding to very serious things, is actually a good thing for "us" (how many people have already commented that they are happy because of this here), and them as this lets them focus on the real bad guys, thieves/murderers/rapists (the type of people they signed up for the job to actually apprehend). This is the type of job where they can go in the community, and be applauded and feel the love on respect of their community knowing they are doing a job well done and a great service.

So, I hope this starts a trend nationwide, that police will revert back to only enforcing the real crime, instead of being some glorified, militarized, disliked, jackboot for drug laws, code enforcement, etc .... Which is really where this does need to go. What the people want, what the cops want, we need to reform our shit laws to reflect this also.

[moostraks]

I've known some very upright and honest Guidos in my day, any one of whom would be preferable to the tax-ticks we're saddled with now.....

As far as prostitutes.........At least transactions with them are voluntary and pleasurable....

Lol! Funny thing is in hindsight I posted in haste and would qualify what I say by stating I would not respect their career choice, and it does give me an insight into their morality, but personally neither of those two have the direct effect my life that police do and neither demand my financial or moral support much less gratitude for the service they provide. Fwiw, the common friend my Dh and I had who was subtly playing matchmaker with us was involved with a well know biker "club". Was a bit difficult to wrap my brain around that as I found him to be an awesome fellow...

[Weston White]

Also that PBA president is being purposefully deceitful, the people involved in the earlier assault against the two lieutenants have been (excessively) charged for that incident:

2 more protesters charged in Brooklyn Bridge assault that injured NYPD lieutenants (http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/12/2_more_protesters_charged_in_b.html)

[nobody's_hero]

WTF? Don't you all see what this means?!


:)
You can go ahead and sell your untaxed cigarettes! Bootleg merchandise! Any other contraband!
Go ahead and smoke anywhere you want - in the streets, in the park, in the bar!!!
Do hundreds of different things without getting a permit!
No parking tickets!
No pre-crimes!
Don't you all know how many petty and bizarre laws exist in New York City?!
And 64 oz. sodas.

[AuH20]

ok, a few points on this one

1) Didn't NYPD declare war on blacks and minorities a while back unofficially already?
2) I can feel for the police officers actually, and I think a lot of them are just caught up as victims. Most folks join the police force since they actually want to be heroes, help out, protect their community. Yes, a lot of the "bully/authoritative" types are drawn to this, but something about the simplicity of being a good guy and actually doing a service for the society that these people also like ... which brings us to 3)
3) The actual laws the police are expected to enforce currently (be it drugs/cigarettes/parking tickets/code violations) which keep in mind they had nothing to do with creating, its really mind boggling. People sign up with the force to protect their communities, and end up being a jack boot of the state for code violations. They don't like it, we don't like it, no one likes it

The statement saying that the police are only responding to very serious things, is actually a good thing for "us" (how many people have already commented that they are happy because of this here), and them as this lets them focus on the real bad guys, thieves/murderers/rapists (the type of people they signed up for the job to actually apprehend). This is the type of job where they can go in the community, and be applauded and feel the love on respect of their community knowing they are doing a job well done and a great service.

So, I hope this starts a trend nationwide, that police will revert back to only enforcing the real crime, instead of being some glorified, militarized, disliked, jackboot for drug laws, code enforcement, etc .... Which is really where this does need to go. What the people want, what the cops want, we need to reform our shit laws to reflect this also.

I have news for you. NYPD treats everyone like garbage. It doesn't matter if you are black or white. They have a chip on their shoulder.

[FindLiberty]

Ideally, violence wouldn't be a concern for peace officers...

[phill4paul]

This guy Lynch is a real nutter....


March 2008: Lynch claimed an art installation called “The Blue Wall of Violence” that addressed police brutality was “promoting hate”:

“You can fill the museum with people of all races and ethnicities who are alive today because of the work of New York City police officers,” Lynch said in a statement. “Taxpayer dollars certainly should not fund any art that promotes hate, and that’s certainly what this does.”

Lynch added that the 1st Amendment depends on the existence of police officers:

Police guarantee the right of free expression to everyone, even to people who obviously do not appreciate the risk and sacrifice we make for them.

So shut the fuck up with the anti-cop rhetoric! :rolleyes:

http://gawker.com/nypd-union-president-patrick-lynch-is-completely-nuts-1674178970

[Weston White]

Oh the irony, the irony, the irony of it all!


“Taxpayer dollars certainly should not fund any art that promotes hate, and that’s certainly what this does. Police guarantee the right of free expression to everyone, even to people who obviously do not appreciate the risk and sacrifice we make for them; however, just not to those who should happen to hate us.”

[TheTexan]

it never ceases to amaze me how some of you can throw it all out the window once you label someone a "cop".

Just to be perfectly clear, they are the ones who are labelling themselves cops. They are the ones putting on the badge every morning. They are the ones who have sworn to enforce the law.

Any label of 'cop' that they have, is freely chosen. And the duties of being a 'cop' are very, very well defined. There are thousands of pages of duties these cops signed up for, otherwise known as 'laws'.

Their label, their profession, their duties, and their intent, are all perfectly clear, well documented, and exercised on a daily basis.

Individually, every single one of them has proven through their actions, that they are an enforcer of the law.

Whether you think that's good, or bad, terrible, or heroic, it doesn't change the facts. It is what it is.

[DamianTV]

So, the cops have NOT declared war on us, and all that talk and military gear and training is just that, talk in a bag?

Actually its just Cop Pillow Talk, before they rape you of your Freedoms and Money, and sometimes Dignity...

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They have been a "Wartime" Police Department since they decided the only way they could do their "Job" was with Military Hardware. They have us tremble and shake at the mere mention of "Sippy Cup", "Fingernail Clipper", or "Hat" while they use Anti Mine Tanks and Rocket Launchers on us. Someones sense of priorities is out of kilter.

[TheTexan]

They have us tremble and shake at the mere mention of "Sippy Cup", "Fingernail Clipper", or "Hat" while they use Anti Mine Tanks and Rocket Launchers on us.

Are you saying they would shoot someone for holding a sippy cup? If so, that's absurd, I've never seen a sippy cup that was gun/knife colored, they are always bright colors green, pink, purple, etc.

What kind of parent would buy their child a black sippy cup? Thats like asking the cops to shoot the kid for holding it.

Jeez.

[DamianTV]

Are you saying they would shoot someone for holding a sippy cup? If so, that's absurd, I've never seen a sippy cup that was gun/knife colored, they are always bright colors green, pink, purple, etc.

What kind of parent would buy their child a black sippy cup? Thats like asking the cops to shoot the kid for holding it.

Jeez.

Lol, true.

On another note MARSHMALLOWS, including simply the possession of Marsmallows is now illegal during some city sponsored events. Whats next, outlaw Rice at weddings? And uh, White Rice is fine, but Brown Rice is the Devil incarnate!

(Marshmallows have been made literally illegal because people would throw them around at a "Santa Walk" festivity, and they are a pain in the ass to clean up.)

[jmdrake]

Now it is.....


“IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/#ixzz3MXh1C9br

They will act accordingly. Well, at least there is a silver lining....

LOL. Ummmm...that's actually a good thing! I'll laugh my butt off when crime actually goes down.

[jmdrake]

Are you saying they would shoot someone for holding a sippy cup? If so, that's absurd, I've never seen a sippy cup that was gun/knife colored, they are always bright colors green, pink, purple, etc.

What kind of parent would buy their child a black sippy cup? Thats like asking the cops to shoot the kid for holding it.

Jeez.

Terrorist baby.

http://www.pottyscotty.com/common/MAKE/40854/Green-Camo-Baby-Sippy-Cup-Personalized.jpg

[Athan]

Now it is.....



Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Headline/nypd-union-wartime-dept/2014/12/20/id/614270/#ixzz3MXh1C9br

They will act accordingly. Well, at least there is a silver lining....

The more you tighten your grip, NYPD, the more citizens will slip through your fingers.

[Valli6]

How many people, who had never done anything to actually harm or defraud someone, had their property stolen and / or were kidnapped at gunpoint by those very same cops?

What, in my post, leads you to believe that I don't know - or believe - or care - that there are a growing number of harmless people being abused by cops in the ways you stated? The thing is, neither of the two murdered cops were the ones that contributed to Eric Garner' s death, and we have no information as to what kind of people they were. Perhaps they were assholes, perhaps not. There was no legitimate reason to murder them, and I don't believe anyone has a right to "vent" by murderinng some stranger - cop or civilian. This won't bring about the necessary changes. I want to see abusive cops fired, not presumably innocent ones killed.


When a military occupies a country, all members of said military are participating in the oppression of the populace, from the lowly foot soldier to the chaplain, they all support the mission of the military whose uniform they wear.

Are you suggesting that the situation might be fixed if every town dissolved it's police force? That there should be no kind of enforcement of our laws? I don't think you can have laws without enforcement. Not everyone can take care of themselves in every situation. I avoid cops myself, but in the case of a serious robbery, murder, home invasion or marauding rioters, I'd like them to be there. Owning a gun, even being an expert shot, isn't enough to make personal self-defense a realistic option for most of us - and changing where you live is no guarantee of permanent protection either.

We live in the society we're stuck with. Every society has a segment of sleazy or sick and/or depraved, disgusting people - way more than you can ever be aware of. Some of them become cops - in fact, more and more of them are allowed to become cops, as the qualifications are lowered - and the qualifications HAVE been drastically lowered, whether you want to acknowledge it or not! This administration, and it's Department of Justice have made it part of their mission. (As if the "wars" on terror and drugs hasn't caused enough distortion to what situations a cops should legitimately get involved in.) It is an unfortunate truth that disturbed, unstable people are attracted to positions of power. It's now much easier for scumbags and unintelligent persons to become cops.

Cops are not supposed to be "occupying the country". They aren't the military, aren't supposed to behave like soldiers. They aren't supposed to raid/attack homes. They are supposed to be local people, helping to protect their own neighbors from robbery, assault, murder - actual crimes, not pre-crimes. Granted, something else has been going on now. Yes, they are behaving more and more like a standing army.

If you are in your 20's, I suppose this is the only "police" you've ever known - that, and the jerk-offs you see on television shows like "Cops" (and many others), etc. Those people are attention seeking performers who should be fired for wanting to be on television instead of being cops. I don't view them as real cops.

So in addition to the "war on drugs", and the "war on terror", younger persons have grown up with decades of cop propaganda shows, where persons who are more actor than cop, have altered the public's definition of what a cop is and does, till now, most people don't know any better. Worst of all, this also goes for the people who apply for jobs as cops! Yes, many of them fancy themselves as crime-fighting "heroes" - an important reason to disqualify them from the job in the first place! I will never accept this new animal as a legitimate cop. But believe it or not, there are still some people with more ordinary and realistic reasons for becoming cops.

I remember decades when it was different! Nobody got SWATTed. SWAT teams were rarely used (i.e. in hostage situations). There were no tasers so no one got cattle prodded. A cop might go his entire career without unholstering his gun - and this wasn't because there was no crime or he'd never been physically attacked! Cops didn't stop traffic so they could check who'd been drinking or wearing a seatbelt - or for no reason at all! I remember that cops publicly complained and fought against the busybody politicians who wanted laws that would keep them from handling actual crimes - because they wanted them to instead waste time on these feel-good, non-crime duties. (Yes! It happened in my area!) But the politicians got their way. It all continued downhill from there. I think we all agree this is horrendous.

I feel our only hope is that seemingly small number of cops who have remained cognizant of the change that's occurred, but they don't get any political support or air time. This why I won't yet write off all cops lock, stock and barrel. If, and when, the situation presents itself, I will throw my support behind any effort to re-normalize cops and their duties.

[pcosmar]

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Are you suggesting that the situation might be fixed if every town dissolved it's police force? That there should be no kind of enforcement of our laws? I don't think you can have laws without enforcement.
Yes.. the very concept of Police needs to vanish from memory.

What makes you think there would be no law enforcement without them?
Laws were enforced and criminals punished long before police were invented.

Police are an authoritarian construct.. The word means "to control". They are control enforcers.
They should not exist in a free society.

Police did not exist in this country till they were imported.

[phill4paul]

Are you suggesting that the situation might be fixed if every town dissolved it's police force? That there should be no kind of enforcement of our laws? I don't think you can have laws without enforcement. Not everyone can take care of themselves in every situation. I avoid cops myself, but in the case of a serious robbery, murder, home invasion or marauding rioters, I'd like them to be there. Owning a gun, even being an expert shot, isn't enough to make personal self-defense a realistic option for most of us - and changing where you live is no guarantee of permanent protection either.


I've got news for you. They WON'T be. They may show up afterward to write an incident report. You'd be best served by making personal self-defense your only realistic option or hiring a personal body guard 24/7.

[SeanTX]

I've read about cops turning their backs on the mayor, refusing to serve on his security detail, and read somewhere that NYPD officers have been told to ignore supervisor's orders and instead take their marching orders from the police union. If this isn't proof that they are a criminal gang then I don't know what is.

One of the central tenets of our system is that the police and military are supposed to be under "civilian" control (and yes, cops are "civilians" also). They are supposed to be under the ultimate control of our elected representatives, not acting on their own like they are some independent agency.

Mayor De Blasio is a d-bag in many respects (ordering a crack down on "jaywalkers", then doing that same thing with his security detail, etc) -- but if the system is set up where he and the city council are supposed to be in control of the NYC police, well, the police should be respecting that. They are just making him a scapegoat because he dared to question the murder of Eric Garner and some other NYPD misconduct. However, people like Sean Hannity, etc think that cops turning their backs on their appointed "civilian" overseer is a good thing, when really it's a disgrace ...

[presence]

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[presence]

I've known some very upright and honest Guidos in my day


thanks homie I consider you a friend too :D