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William Tell
12-14-2014, 10:08 AM
How dare a Chaplain be a Chaplain?:rolleyes:


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The Army says a military chaplain stepped over a line by citing the Bible's King David in a suicide-prevention seminar. (Photo: Newscom)

The Army has disciplined a military chaplain for making references to the Bible during a suicide-prevention seminar last month.
A serviceman brought the Judeo-Christian religious content to the attention of a atheist group, which complained about it. Now, the chaplain is fighting back, maintaining he did nothing wrong.
The dispute has renewed a debate (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/04/a-clash-of-integrities-moral-and-religious-liberty-in-the-armed-forces) over the appropriate role (http://publicpolicy.pepperdine.edu/policy-review/2009v2/why-does-us-military-have-chaplains.htm)of faith in the military.

The chaplain, Capt. Joe Lawhorn, conducted the training session on suicide prevention Nov. 20 at the University of North Georgia. During the session, he shared his personal struggles with depression while an Army ranger.
What upset the atheist group is that Lawhorn explained how he learned to conquer adversity by following the example of Israel’s warrior king, David, one of the great heroes of the Old Testament.




A week later, on Thanksgiving, Lawhorn received a letter of concern (http://www.chaplainalliance.org/files/LawhornLetterOfConcern.pdf) from Col. David Fivecoat, commander of the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade at Fort Benning, Ga.
Fivecoat’s letter faulted Lawhorn for “using Christian scriptures and solutions”:
During this training, you advocated, or were perceived to advocate for Christianity and used Christian scripture and solutions. This is in direct contrast with Army Regulation 600-20 and violates the Army’s Equal Opportunity Policy.

The letter, described as “administrative in nature,” also issued a stern warning to Lawhorn to be “careful to avoid any perception you are advocating one system of beliefs over another.” It will remain in the chaplain’s file for up to three years.
Still at issue is whether Lawhorn improperly inserted his evangelical Christian beliefs into the suicide-prevention training session or was simply speaking from personal experience.
Col. Ron Crews, a retired military chaplain who is now executive director of Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty (http://chaplainalliance.org), came to Lawhorn’s defense. He urged the Army to reconsider its actions and remove the letter from Lawhorn’s file:
According to some who were present, Chaplain Lawhorn made clear on multiple occasions that he provided his personal experiences of dealing with depression merely as one example among many alternatives. At no time did he say his way was the only or even the preferred way of dealing with depression. And at no time did he deny the validity of any other methods.

Crews also noted that no one at the training session filed a formal complaint. Instead, he said, one ranger in attendance took a photo of a handout distributed by Lawhorn and posted it on the Facebook page of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Military-Association-of-Atheists-Freethinkers-MAAF/221399971203795). The group bills itself as a “national non-profit building community for atheists and humanists in the military.”
Crews said the organization’s president, Jason Torpy, proceeded to make an issue of it by writing a series of articles (http://militaryatheists.org/news/2014/12/5th-ranger-battalion-disciplines-evangelical-chaplain/) on Lawhorn’s suicide-prevention briefing.
That’s “not the point,” Torpy said in a telephone interview with The Daily Signal:
This chaplain violated the privilege and responsibility he had and he exploited that opportunity to push his personal religious beliefs on the captive audience of military personnel. So it doesn’t matter where the complaint came from.


Since no recording has surfaced, Torpy points to the handout (http://militaryatheists.org/news/wp-content/uploads/5BnSuicide.png) as proof that Lawhorn replaced “sound suicide-prevention training with that chaplain’s personal, evangelical interest.” He said:
You can see clearly from the handout what people in that assembled mass saw was a chaplain promoting his personal beliefs as an integral part of the activity through a handout with Christian counseling centers, Bibles verses and the core Christian message. No amount of ‘Well, this is just my personal beliefs’ makes it OK.

On the front (http://militaryatheists.org/news/wp-content/uploads/5BnSuicide.png) of the handout, Lawhorn drew from the Bible’s Book of Psalms and referenced its central Jewish figure, David, as an example of how to manage thoughts of depression and suicide.
On the back (http://militaryatheists.org/news/wp-content/uploads/5bnsuicideback.jpg), Lawhorn provided referrals for local counseling along with other crisis contacts in government.




Full article: http://dailysignal.com/2014/12/14/military-punishes-chaplain-for-referencing-bible-during-suicide-prevention-seminar/

enhanced_deficit
12-14-2014, 07:19 PM
So their other solutions are working better to slow down this epidemic?

Older Vets Committing Suicide at Alarming Rate
www.military.com/.../2014/.../older-vets-committing-suicide...Military.com

Report Says Suicides High among Young Enlisted Men ...
www.military.com/.../2014/.../report-finds-suicides-most-co...Military.com

oyarde
12-14-2014, 08:53 PM
I support this Chaplain in his endeavors. I have not meet Fivecoat , that I remember , but he must be a dullard .

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 08:54 PM
Meh, I don't care. Let the military get as anti-Christian as it knows how, I say. Unless/until someone like Ron Paul gets in control of our foreign policy (which will likely never happen), Christians shouldn't be in the military anyway. Let the godless state-worshippers have it.

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 08:56 PM
I support this Chaplain in his endeavors. I have not meet Fivecoat , that I remember , but he must be a dullard .

I, for one, do not support military chaplains.

Laurence Vance:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/10/laurence-m-vance/should-christians-be-military-chaplains/

oyarde
12-14-2014, 09:07 PM
I, for one, do not support military chaplains.

Laurence Vance:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/10/laurence-m-vance/should-christians-be-military-chaplains/
I don't normally ready any Vance .

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 09:10 PM
I don't normally ready any Vance .

Perhaps you should:)

William Tell
12-14-2014, 09:39 PM
Meh, I don't care. Let the military get as anti-Christian as it knows how, I say. Unless/until someone like Ron Paul gets in control of our foreign policy (which will likely never happen), Christians shouldn't be in the military anyway. Let the godless state-worshippers have it.
What you said kind of sounds like those guys who were mad at Jesus for eating with Tax Collectors. He told them that tax collectors are the ones who need saving. I'm surprised you don't agree.

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 10:02 PM
What you said kind of sounds like those guys who were mad at Jesus for eating with Tax Collectors. He told them that tax collectors are the ones who need saving. I'm surprised you don't agree.

My problem with chaplains isn't that they associate themselves with military personnel, but that the position is fundamentally a compromise with the State. Did you read the Vance article?

Its more like saying you support tax collection and assuring tax collectors that they aren't sinning by collecting taxes in order to get a chance to evangelize them.

William Tell
12-14-2014, 10:07 PM
My problem with chaplains isn't that they associate themselves with military personnel, but that the position is fundamentally a compromise with the State. Did you read the Vance article?
Not all of it yet, did you read your own comment?

Meh, I don't care. Let the military get as anti-Christian as it knows how, I say. Unless/until someone like Ron Paul gets in control of our foreign policy (which will likely never happen), Christians shouldn't be in the military anyway. Let the godless state-worshippers have it.

I will comment here about the article when I finish it.


Its more like saying you support tax collection and assuring tax collectors that they aren't sinning by collecting taxes in order to get a chance to evangelize them.

No,
I believe that chaplains probably help some people and stop them from killing themselves and whatever. I think that is a good thing, I don't care if that does not fit into an ancap worldview. I oppose the military existing in the way that it does, but they would be the last part of the military I would dismantle.

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 10:12 PM
Not all of it yet, did you read your own comment?


Of course.




No,
I believe that chaplains probably help some people and stop them from killing themselves and whatever. I think that is a good thing, I don't care if that does not fit into an ancap worldview. I oppose the military existing in the way that it does, but they would be the last part of the military I would dismantle.

Christians shouldn't put themselves in the military, period. I am all for secular forces pushing Christians out. Its basically Satan unwittingly doing God's work.

Does that mean I deny that its a good thing when a chaplain convinces someone not to commit suicide? of course I don't deny that...

oyarde
12-14-2014, 10:23 PM
Perhaps you should:)

Well , I have , which is why I now decline .

oyarde
12-14-2014, 10:25 PM
Having read some of his , I find him most unimpressive at best and more likely a full bore douchebag .

William Tell
12-14-2014, 10:35 PM
Having read some of his , I find him most unimpressive at best and more likely a full bore douchebag .
I just read the article linked above, and I agree with you.

Christian Liberty
12-14-2014, 10:36 PM
Having read some of his , I find him most unimpressive at best and more likely a full bore douchebag .


I just read the article linked above, and I agree with you.

Why?