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GunnyFreedom
12-09-2014, 11:35 PM
If you are on FB and a member of "★"Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Political Debate Arena."★ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/449863935064414/permalink/852842378099899/)" I got a little sick and tired of all the people justifying the police killing people for the slightest twitch the merest resistance and I went off on a 500 comment post ~10:20PM. Mine is still the last post.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/449863935064414/permalink/852842378099899/
Glen Bradley As a hard-core Conservative, I am LMAO at "conservatives" fighting to the death to defend taxation.
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XXXX XXXX Where have I defended the underlying tax issue that started this all?
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AAAAAAA AAAAA People kill me with talking about taxes as if it were relevant. Should 5 cops arrest you next time you have a garage sale or kids for having a lemonade stand?
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AAAAAAA AAAAA I can show 100 videos of people resisting arrest in new York drunk and more feisty that didn't get strangled to death with an illegal choke hold. Defending that cop proves that you are blind, prejudice or ignorant.
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Glen Bradley XXXX, you are defending the obedience to the law as written, and the complete submission to police for being accosted. It is the law that is the driving factor behind all of this, the erg. The reason for being.

If a law is evil, then as a living soul and standing before God, it is an evil act to obey it.

If a law is evil, then as an individual officer answering only to his own conscience and God, it is an evil act to enforce it.

You can make a practical argument that I will agree with. "Do not resist or you may die." Sure, I am in 100% agreement. Indeed, I would advocate to everyone I know, 'do not resist or you may die' because I do not want to see them, or myself dead.

But you also make a qualitative argument that is flawed, in the quality of right and wrong. You say it is _wrong to resist the police. I agree that it is very deadly, I do not agree that it is wrong. In fact, I could not possibly disagree more vehemently. God alone judges right and wrong, not the State. If it came to it, would you go with the State against God? or would you resist?

"Do not resist the State our you may die" is true. IT IS _NOT RIGHT!

"Do not resist the State our you may die" as the Living God is my Witness, this is the operation of fascism.

Does Eric Garner share in the responsibility for his ultimate death? of course he does. He did things he knew were illegal. He got mad because the police kept targeting him.

Does the State bear any responsibility at all for killing a man without due process?

Richard Pryor Chokehold Video
(http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/12/06/richard_pryor_on_police_chokeholds_a_1977_bit_that _anticipates_eric_garner.html)
There is a moral rot in America, and it comes from putting the state above God. It all started with Lyndon Johnson when he put the Churches on 501(c)3. That's when everything started to fall apart and go all "put good for evil, and put evil for good" on us. After 1965 the Church began her real decline in America. Today, in 2014, the state has become our god. This was enabled by 501(c) granting the state the authority to regulate speech from the pulpit. When the state was granted more authority over a church than God, then they stand in the idolatry of the state.

This whole debate over a guy getting killed over a misdemeanor tax "because he dared to fail to worship the state like every good American should." It makes me SMH. It has clarified for me however the identity and specificity of the moral rot that has afflicted us. I always knew the fundamental _moral rot came from the 501(c) because it had conquered the American church under government bonds (there is always a Remnant). We didn't used to worship the state. What happened to America? America was the land where we were supposed to, by fine tradition, be skeptical of the state.

Here is the state, in all it's gory, enforcing the laws, and getting ever laid blameless for the trail of death they forever leave in their wake.

This is what a police state looks like.

this whole tax thing reminds me how in 2008 at the NC State GOP Convention, I offered an amendment to the platform from the floor to make it the position of the North Carolina Republican Party to support the repeal the 16th Amendment. From an initial ovation, the entire establishment (about 1/6 of the chamber) lined up to try and defend the income tax. LOL they did horribly. The grassroots were arguing like Republicans and the establishment was arguing like Democrats. The platform amendment failed by something like 48/52 (which for a platform amendment from the floor is pretty astonishing, conventions tend to ratify the work of the platform committee.) You know how delegates are when they are told by their Chairs how to vote.

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Glen Bradley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V29Ws0UUVvMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V29Ws0UUVvM
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Glen Bradley The Pryor bit was done in 1978, not 1977. It was released on video in 1979. Back then they were just doing that to minorities. Now they are doing that to everyone.

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Glen Bradley
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Glen Bradley Full, unedited video of the entire Kelly Thomas encounter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ariXIEUJkyIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ariXIEUJkyI
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Glen Bradley Does anybody have a guess as to the current legal disposition of the officers who did this? Lol I will give you one guess, and I bet you get it right.
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Glen Bradley Or how about James Boyd?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVRa8eAuBwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVRa8eAuBw

A recording was more recently released capturing the officer who shot James, on his way to the encounter saying "I am going to go up there and shoot this guy in the dick." That even demonstrates _intent for any normal citizen like you and me.

Anyone care to guess as to the legal disposition of the officers who shot James Boyd? Ha, I will give you one guess, and I bet it is right.

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Glen Bradley Or what about Bounkham Phonesavanh, Baby Bou Bou, you tell me what in the world HE could have done to resist less?
http://glenbradley.net/imghost/boubou.jpg
Anyone care to guess ... blah blah you get the point. But wait, there's more. The Sheriff of Habersham County actually laughed at this poor child and then stood with the County Commission to deny a single red cent for medical treatment.

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Glen Bradley This is what a police state looks like, and if America doesn't wake the heck up mucho pronto they are going to wake up as they are being marched onto the boxcars and then it will be too late.

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DamianTV
12-10-2014, 02:21 AM
Obedience.

Obedience to Cops.

Obedience to Corporations.

Obedience to Exploitative Contracts.

Obedience to Unlawful Laws.

Obedience to Politicians.

Obedience to Religious Authority Figures.

Obedience to the MSM.

Obedience to Medical Insurers.

Obedience to Warning Labels.

Where the fuck is Freedom supposed to exist in all of this Obedience? What happened to Cooperation over Obedience? What happend to working together instead of working for? Oh, thats why. For a few to be rich, many must be poor, and it is by the sweat of our brows and the strength in our backs that they build their empires.

Beware the Chains of Obedience.

AngryCanadian
12-10-2014, 02:51 AM
Mostly those users on facebook arent even real they wont post there locations nor workplaces, they are usually paid bots to support whichever side you already forget? the Syrian rebel supporters used the same tactics on facebook in 2012,2013 before they got exposed.

If the "submit and obey" paid bots even knew what that stood and watched the two least killings they wouldnt be supporting the out of control police in America at least in Canada police dont behave in this manner yet, unless you dont speak English they might attack you.

DFF
12-10-2014, 03:00 AM
There are times when the police step over the line. And times when their actions benefit society. Gotta be careful one doesn't begin to think they're doing either A or B one hundred percent of the time.

The police are always the bad guys (majority here at RPF)

The police always do the right thing (Facebook crowd)

Both are wrong.

Origanalist
12-10-2014, 04:42 AM
So Gunny, how's that head feel?

Weston White
12-10-2014, 04:50 AM
Great arguing Gunny. Another highly interesting case you could include is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouad_Kaady. With a positive caveat:


On January 30, 2009 Judge Paul Papak concluded that Sandy police officers should have known that, if an individual is not posing an immediate threat, police are not allowed to use Tasers on an individual simply because the individual is not complying with commands. ... The report [by the Los Angeles-based Police Assessment Resource Center] pointed to the 2004 slaying of William Grigsby, who was shot 13 times, hit 22 times with beanbags and Tasered several times after running from Portland officers.

Taser News: Judge Rules Against Cop in Fouad Kaady Case (http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-4991-taser_news_judge_rules_against_cop_in_fouad_kaady_ case.html).

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It raised the most questions about the Dec. 2, 2004, fatal shooting of William T. Grigsby, 24. He died after being shot 13 times, hit 22 times with beanbags, Tasered four or five times and bitten by a police dog.

http://portlandtribune.com/component/content/article?id=45062

Anti Federalist
12-10-2014, 01:21 PM
There are times when the police step over the line. And times when their actions benefit society. Gotta be careful one doesn't begin to think they're doing either A or B one hundred percent of the time.

The police are always the bad guys (majority here at RPF)

The police always do the right thing (Facebook crowd)

Both are wrong.

Police, as we know them today, are an authoritarian construct, the very concept of which is incompatible with a free society.

The construct should be abolished.

DamianTV
12-10-2014, 02:14 PM
/agree

Let someone else wipe my ass for me, thats the mentality of too many Fedbook users, and the Welfare State. Freedom is about taking back ones responsibility to hold people accountable for their actions without just leaving it for someone else to deal with. It also means that appropriate responsibility is taken so we arent all running around with flaming brooms and pitchforks when someone spanks a child. Balance.

I also wouldnt be suprised is the "submit and obey" crowd is actually the Cops / Govt Shills themselves posing as others "yeah, its better if you just give up everything cuz they have something shiny on their breast".

Pericles
12-10-2014, 02:31 PM
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/31693.Samuel_Adams)

Christian Liberty
12-10-2014, 02:38 PM
Police, as we know them today, are an authoritarian construct, the very concept of which is incompatible with a free society.

The construct should be abolished.

This. Yes, sometimes someone who is part of a bad institution can do something good, but that doesn't change the nature of the institution.

jllundqu
12-10-2014, 02:40 PM
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/31693.Samuel_Adams)

Amen brother. SMIB.