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Tyreez
12-09-2014, 04:31 PM
WATCH THIS VIDEO, ANTI-ZIONIST ORTHODOX JEW CLEARLY BEGS NYPD COP NOT TO SHOOT, COP IGNORES HIM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ntAF9c_uI
Police shot and killed a disturbed man after he walked into one of Brooklyn’s most prominent synagogues early Tuesday, sources said.


The bloodshed occurred at the world headquarters of Chabad-Lubavitch at 770 Eastern Parkway in Crown Heights happened shortly after 1 a.m., sources said.


A Chabad spokesman said witnesses reported that the man said “Kill the Jews,” but police said the man might have shouted, “I will kill all of you.” One witness told The Post that the man did not talk about killing Jews.


Calvin Peters, 49, walked into the basement of the synagogue, where people were praying, law enforcement sources said.


Witnesses took cellphone photos and video of the incident and its aftermath.


“According to witnesses, he was heard saying repeatedly, ‘Kill the Jews!’” Chabad Rabbi Motti Seligson said.

The world headquarters of Chabad-Lubavitch at 770 Eastern Parkway

“Several other individuals immediately intervened. While we are very pained by everything that has unfolded, we are very grateful to the police for their quick response and are working closely with the authorities in their ongoing investigation.”


The scene in Crown Heights early Tuesday
Peters had 19 prior arrests dating to 1982 for a wide variety of crimes in New York City, Nassau County and Delaware, according to law enforcement records.


The offenses included jumping a turnstile, larceny, possession of a controlled substance, using a credit card that wasn’t his, contempt of court and burglary.
Peters had a listed address in Valley Stream, LI, and a man who answered the phone there said the attacker’s family was in mourning.


“Have you seen the video? The video speaks volumes,” he told The Post. “It’s a tragedy. We’re just grieving.”


Asked whether cops were justified in shooting Peters, the man said: “We don’t want to get into the middle of a battle with police.”


Later on Tuesday afternoon at that Valley Stream home, a man who identified himself only as Peters’ brother-in-law briefly spoke to reporters.


“A father, a brother and a good man died,” he said. “It’s a tragedy. We aren’t making any statements today. Please give us our privacy and allow us to grieve.”


John Miller, deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism, said police believe this attack was an “isolated incident.”


“It appears to involve an individual who is known to the New York City Police Department,” Miller said. “(Peters) has a history of being an emotionally disturbed person and acting out in other places.”


Peters was last seen by loved ones at 11 a.m. Monday, leaving his Long Island home for a dental appointment that he never made, law enforcement sources said.


Peters, a former Brooklyn resident, was spotted in that borough Monday afternoon by a friend, sources said.


Then at about 5:15 p.m. Monday, Peters first visited the synagogue and appeared to be “highly suspicious,” according to security guard Shimon Liberow.

A 9-inch knife was recovered at the scene of the stabbing.


“I chased him out, he was highly suspicious. He looked around and gave me a very stern look,” Liberow said. “He caught my attention.”


At one point, Peters said he wanted to convert to Judaism, but the guard and nearby worshipers didn’t buy it.


“I confronted him at the door. I stopped him from going in. I knew he was up to no good. He was surveying around,” Liberow said. “I said, ‘Can I help you?’ He said, ‘You have a problem?’ I said, ‘Yes.’


“He asked if he can become Jewish, if he can convert,” Liberow added. “My friend told him you have to be Jewish to pray here. He abruptly left.”


Peters then got into a silver Nissan Rogue and drove a short distance away. Police found the SUV hours after the attack and towed it away.


He returned at 12:45 a.m. Tuesday and asked if they had any books in English.


He was told no and then “escorted out,” law enforcement sources said.


Peters’ final return came at 1:36 a.m., when he entered the building, walked up to Rosenblat and said, “I’m going to kill you,” sources said.


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Witness Israel Gottdenger, 26, told The Post that Peters nonchalantly strolled into the synagogue without giving any hint about the mayhem that was to follow.


“I entered the building with him (Peters), I even held the door open for him,” said Gottdenger. “It’s a very public building and people of all kinds are always walking in, white, black, everyone.


“He was just going crazy,” Gottdenger added. “He said, `I want to sit down, I want to get a Bible, who wants to die tonight,’ he kept changing his words. He was either really high on drugs or an (emotionally disturbed person).”


Another witness flagged down cops who were passing the headquarters.


Officers then confronted the man in an encounter that was captured on a dramatic video.


As Peters brandishes the knife, the first officer to respond — Timothy Donoghue — pulls his weapon, prompting onlookers at the synagogue to say, “Hey officer, don’t do it” and implore Peters to drop the knife.


Peters then shouts, “You gonna shoot me?,” prompting the onlookers to exclaim, “No, no, no, don’t shoot, don’t shoot.”


Peters then repeats, “You gonna shoot me?,” to which the officer responds, “If you don’t drop the knife I will.”


After several demands from the officer, Peters then puts the 9-inch knife down on a table and puts his hands up, prompting Donoghue to holster his gun.
It appeared as if the encounter had been defused. But Peters suddenly grabs the knife again, prompting the officer to shout, “Stay the f–k away from the knife now.”


“At that point, the male subject picked up the knife and advanced the officer,” NYPD Chief of Department James O’Neill said.


Other officers then appear in the video as Peters storms around, brandishing the knife.


Then, moments later, a single shot is heard, after the camera turns away from the chaotic incident.


Peter was within 10 feet of officers when he lunged at them and Officer Roberto Pagan shot the maniac, law enforcement sources said.


“Backup officers continued to order the male to drop the knife,” O’Neill said. “After repeated commands, one officer fired a single shot, striking the male in the torso.”


Another video shows officers standing over the man as he was handcuffed.


“It’s the first time this has happened at a New York synagogue,” one member said. “I come here every day. To know that somebody died here, it’s scary. It needs to be a secure place.”


Tuesday’s attack might have exposed a shortcoming in the city’s mental health system, Mayor Bill de Blasio said.


“This incident also highlights the urgent need for increased services for emotionally disturbed or troubled people,” the mayor said.


“Preliminary reports suggest the assailant in this case suffered from mental health issues. We as a society must do more for those who struggle with these challenges, and it is why the city has launched a new plan to improve access to mental health care and treatment for those in need.”


NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton said responding officers appeared to do everything they could to avoid using deadly force.


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Cops stand guard outside the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic headquarters.


“Preliminarily the shooting looks like it was justified based on my initial impression of what I’ve seen of the video,” Bratton said.

A member of the Lubavitch community leaves the headquarters Tuesday morning.

“You have an individual with a knife. You had three responding officers who were clearly attempting (to avoid gunfire and), repeated, `Put the knife down, put the knife down.’”


Bratton added: “The shooting, while unfortunate, might have been unavoidable.”


De Blasio, who last week questioned whether NYPD cops target young black men, praised officers at this scene.


“They responded quickly to a tense and dangerous situation, and while any loss of life is tragic, we are fortunate that, thanks to the actions of our officers early this morning, more people were not injured or worse,” de Blasio said.


“The job our brave men and women perform on a daily basis to protect the people of New York City is often perilous and difficult, and we thank them for their service.”


The suspect was taken to Kings County Hospital, where he died.


In light of the attack, the NYPD plans to increase its presence at synagogues and other places of worship on Tuesday.


“So you will see some enhanced coverage in terms of police presence at these locations,” Miller said.

ChristianAnarchist
12-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Only one shot? There must be a new memo going around. Bad press to empty the clip now. One shot should do it. Really though, this one can't be called police brutality...

AngryCanadian
12-09-2014, 07:44 PM
Here we go again.

Dr.3D
12-09-2014, 07:54 PM
It was too close to resembling one of those "lone wolf" terrorists looking to decapitate somebody. I couldn't hear the dialogue, but if he threatened to kill anybody in his immediate proximity, he got what he deserved.

anaconda
12-09-2014, 07:57 PM
In NYC of all places. What is going to stop this?

PRB
12-09-2014, 08:16 PM
another case of policemen shooting an innocent man who didn't hurt anybody.

STOP POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACISM.

PRB
12-09-2014, 08:16 PM
It was too close to resembling one of those "lone wolf" terrorists looking to decapitate somebody. I couldn't hear the dialogue, but if he threatened to kill anybody in his immediate proximity, he got what he deserved.

you believe in shooting a person before he's hurting somebody? pre-crime much?

RonPaulIsGreat
12-09-2014, 08:28 PM
If someone was threatening me with a knife in the same situation, he'd have gotten shot.

kcchiefs6465
12-09-2014, 08:36 PM
you believe in shooting a person before he's hurting somebody? pre-crime much?
I think the Jews there would have talked him down.

Leave it to the police to escalate (you did see he put the knife down, right?) a situation to the point of shooting someone.

Dr.3D
12-09-2014, 08:39 PM
you believe in shooting a person before he's hurting somebody? pre-crime much?
Ever hear about the criteria for using deadly force?
If he threatened to kill somebody, had the knife to fulfill that threat and was within reach of somebody, he was fulfilling the criteria.

"You may legally use deadly force only when there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent."

I've since found out he had already stabbed another person. Yeah, he was definitely a candidate for being shot.

Inkblots
12-09-2014, 08:45 PM
another case of policemen shooting an innocent man who didn't hurt anybody.

STOP POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACISM.

... Entering private property, brandishing a knife, making death threats, and then advancing on someone with knife in hand is not "innocent". Is this meant to be sarcasm? Because if you actually think this, you're... very confused.

If I'd been there with my gun and he came at me, I'd have shot him, too. I wouldn't think twice about it.

navy-vet
12-09-2014, 08:50 PM
you believe in shooting a person before he's hurting somebody? pre-crime much?
You be sure and jump in there and volunteer to be the one gutted should you ever encounter a similar scenario then.

Dr.3D
12-09-2014, 09:00 PM
Here are more facts on this shooting.


Police said 49-year-old Calvin Peters stabbed a 22-year-old man, identified as Levi Rosenblatt by Chabad-Lubavitch spokesman Rabbi Motti Seligson. Rosenblatt had been studying inside the synagogue when he was attacked, Seligson said.


An officer is heard telling him repeatedly to drop the knife and step away. Others in the room appear to be trying to calm Peters down, telling him to put down the knife.

He eventually puts it on a table and backs away and one of the officers is seen holstering his weapon.

But moments later, Peters is seen grabbing the knife off the table and starts to walk around the room as officers yell at him repeatedly to drop the knife.


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/09/nypd-knife-wielding-suspect-who-stabbed-student-in-brooklyn-synagogue-shot-killed-by-police/



It doesn't help that the original poster is adding some modifications to the thread titles.

jmdrake
12-09-2014, 09:03 PM
Calling the police to "deal with someone" is vicarious violence. I know people who are totally against violence even in self defense but they'll dial 911 in a heartbeat.

Brian4Liberty
12-09-2014, 09:19 PM
First cop handled it without violence, but he probably violated procedure by letting the guy with the knife get too close. New cops showed up and one almost immediately shot. First cop will probably be disciplined, second cop will get a medal.

presence
12-09-2014, 09:22 PM
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DFF
12-09-2014, 11:54 PM
another case of policemen shooting an innocent man who didn't hurt anybody.

STOP POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACISM.

The guy had a knife in his hand and had already stabbed the orthodox jew. This psycho got what was coming to him. Case closed.

PierzStyx
12-10-2014, 01:19 AM
It was too close to resembling one of those "lone wolf" terrorists looking to decapitate somebody. I couldn't hear the dialogue, but if he threatened to kill anybody in his immediate proximity, he got what he deserved.


Except he was "emotionally disturbed" meaning he was mentally unbalanced. To kill the handicapped because they're handicapped is a shame for any society.

DFF
12-10-2014, 01:23 AM
Except he was "emotionally disturbed" meaning he was mentally unbalanced. To kill the handicapped because they're handicapped is a shame for any society.

David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacey. All were mentally disturbed. Do you feel they deserved to live?

And before some smartass comes along, I realize two of the three are still alive. ;)

cindy25
12-10-2014, 05:12 AM
in normal times completely justified, but these are not normal time, esp in NYC and St. Louis. police have to begin using maximum tolerance and hold back a bit.

Dr.3D
12-10-2014, 10:14 AM
Except he was "emotionally disturbed" meaning he was mentally unbalanced. To kill the handicapped because they're handicapped is a shame for any society.
Being "emotionally disturbed" doesn't give him special privileges to stab people without recourse any more than a mad dog has special privileges to bite people.

coastie
12-10-2014, 12:24 PM
in normal times completely justified, but these are not normal time, esp in NYC and St. Louis. police have to begin using maximum tolerance and hold back a bit.

The cop held back for a long time. Too long for the distances involved. Crazy knife guy was at one point 2-3 steps away from the cop and others. WAY too close.

I would have shot him the second he took a step toward me, or anyone else, with a knife in his hand.

navy-vet
12-10-2014, 12:52 PM
Except he was "emotionally disturbed" meaning he was mentally unbalanced. To kill the handicapped because they're handicapped is a shame for any society.
Well, all I can think of to add here, is that should I (Lord forbid), ever become insane and attack the innocent, please, do what must be done to stop me.

Brian4Liberty
12-10-2014, 03:57 PM
The cop held back for a long time. Too long for the distances involved. Crazy knife guy was at one point 2-3 steps away from the cop and others. WAY too close.

I would have shot him the second he took a step toward me, or anyone else, with a knife in his hand.

And we also know that the deranged guy had already stabbed someone else.