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12-09-2014, 04:08 PM

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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/04/The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society

"My generation of boys is f**ked," says Rupert, a young German video game enthusiast I've been getting to know over the past few months. "Marriage is dead. Divorce means you're screwed for life. Women have given up on monogamy, which makes them uninteresting to us for any serious relationship or raising a family. That's just the way it is. Even if we take the risk, chances are the kids won't be ours. In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.

"In school, boys are screwed over time and again. Schools are engineered for women. In the US, they force-feed boys Ritalin like Skittles to shut them up. And while girls are favoured to fulfil quotas, men are slipping into distant second place.

"Nobody in my generation believes they're going to get a meaningful retirement. We have a third or a quarter of the wealth previous generations had, and everyone's fleeing to higher education to stave off unemployment and poverty because there are no jobs.

"All that wouldn't be so bad if we could at least dull the pain with girls. But we're treated like paedophiles and potential rapists just for showing interest. My generation are the beautiful ones," he sighs, referring to a 1960s experiment on mice that supposedly predicted a grim future for the human race.

After overpopulation ran out of control, the female mice in John Calhoun's "mouse universe" experiment stopped breeding, and the male mice withdrew from the company of others entirely, eating, sleeping, feeding and grooming themselves but doing little else. They had shiny coats, but empty lives.

"The parallels are astounding," says Rupert.

*

Never before in history have relations between the sexes been so fraught with anxiety, animosity and misunderstanding. To radical feminists, who have been the driving force behind many tectonic societal shifts in recent decades, that's a sign of success: they want to tear down the institutions and power structures that underpin society, never mind the fall-out. Nihilistic destruction is part of their road map.

But, for the rest of us, the sight of society breaking down, and ordinary men and women being driven into separate but equal misery, thanks to a small but highly organised group of agitators, is distressing. Particularly because, as increasing numbers of social observers are noticing, an entire generation of young people—mostly men—are being left behind in the wreckage of this social engineering project.

Social commentators, journalists, academics, scientists and young men themselves have all spotted the trend: among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement.

You can hardly blame them. Cruelly derided as man-children and crybabies for objecting to absurdly unfair conditions in college, bars, clubs and beyond, men are damned if they do and damned if they don't: ridiculed as basement-dwellers for avoiding aggressive, demanding women with unrealistic expectations, or called rapists and misogynists merely for expressing sexual interest.

Jack Rivlin is editor-in-chief of student tabloid media start-up The Tab, a runaway success whose current strap-line reads: "We'll stop writing it when you stop reading it." As the guiding intelligence behind over 30 student newspapers, Rivlin is perhaps the best-placed person in the country to observe this trend in action. And he agrees that the current generation of young men find it particularly difficult to engage with women.

"Teenage boys always have been useless with girls, but there's definitely a fear that now being well-intentioned isn't enough, and you can get into trouble just for being clumsy," he says. "For example, leaning in for a kiss might see you branded a creep, rather than just inept."

The new rules men are expected to live by are never clearly explained, says Rivlin, leaving boys clueless and neurotic about interacting with girls. "That might sound like a good thing because it encourages men to take the unromantic but practical approach of asking women how they should behave, but it causes a lot of them to just opt out of the game and retreat to the sanctuary of their groups of lads, where being rude to women gets you approval, and you can pretty much entirely avoid one-on-one socialising with the opposite sex."

"There are also a lot of blokes who ignore women because they are scared and don't know how to act. It goes without saying that boys who never spend any time alone with women are not very good at relationships."

Rivlin has noticed the increased dependence on substances, normally alcohol, that boys are using to calm their nerves. "I've heard a lot of male students boast about never having experienced sober sex," he says. "They're obviously scared, which is natural, but they would be a lot less scared and dysfunctional if they understood 'the rules.'"

The result? "A lot of nice but awkward young men are opting out of approaching women because there is no opportunity for them to make mistakes without suffering worse embarrassment than ever."

Most troublingly, this effect is felt more acutely among poorer and less well educated communities, where the package of support resources available to young men is slight. At my alma mater, the University of Cambridge, the phenomenon barely registers on the radar, according to Union society president Tim Squirrell.

"I don't think I've really noticed a change recently," he says. "This year has seen the introduction of mandatory consent workshops for freshers, which I believe is probably a good thing, and there's been a big effort by the Women's Campaign in particular to try and combat lad culture on campus.

The atmosphere here is the same as it was a year ago - mostly nerdy guys who are too afraid to approach anyone in the first place, and then a smaller percentage who are confident enough to make a move. Obviously women have agency too, and they approach men in about the same numbers as they do elsewhere. There certainly haven't been any stories in [campus newspaper] The Tab about a sex drought on campus."

"I think that people are probably having as much sex as ever," he adds. At Cambridge, of course, that may not mean much, and for a variety of socioeconomic and class-based reasons the tribes at Oxford and Cambridge are somewhat insulated from the male drop-out effect.

But even at such a prestigious university with a largely middle- and upper-class population, those patronising, mandatory "consent" classes are still being implemented. Squirrell, who admits to being a feminist with left-of-centre politics, thinks they're a good idea. But academics such as Camille Paglia have been warning for years that "rape drives" on campus put women at greater risk, if anything.

Women today are schooled in victimhood, taught to be aggressively vulnerable and convinced that the slightest of perceived infractions, approaches or clumsy misunderstandings represents "assault," "abuse" or "harassment." That may work in the safe confines of campus, where men can have their academic careers destroyed on the mere say-so of a female student.

But, according to Paglia, when that women goes out into the real world without the safety net of college rape committees, she is left totally unprepared for the sometimes violent reality of male sexuality. And the panics and fear-mongering are serving men even more poorly. All in all, education is becoming a miserable experience for boys.

*

In schools today across Britain and America, boys are relentlessly pathologised, as academics were warning as long ago as 2001. Boyishness and boisterousness have come to be seen as "problematic," with girls' behaviour a gold standard against which these defective boys are measured. When they are found wanting, the solution is often drugs.

One in seven American boys will be diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) at some point in their school career. Millions will be prescribed a powerful mood stabiliser, such as Ritalin, for the crime of being born male. The side effects of these drugs can be hideous and include sudden death.

Meanwhile, boys are falling behind girls academically, perhaps because relentless and well-funded focus has been placed on girls' achievement in the past few decades and little to none on the boys who are now achieving lower grades, fewer honors, fewer degrees and less marketable information economy skills. Boys' literacy, in particular, is in crisis throughout the West. We've been obsessing so much over girls, we haven't noticed that boys have slipped into serious academic trouble.

So what happened to those boys who, in 2001, were falling behind girls at school, were less likely to go to college, were being given drugs they did not need and whose self-esteem and confidence issues haven't just been ignored, but have been actively ridiculed by the feminist Establishment that has such a stranglehold on teaching unions and Left-leaning political parties?

In short: they grew up, dysfunctional, under-served by society, deeply miserable and, in many cases, entirely unable to relate to the opposite sex. It is the boys who were being betrayed by the education system and by culture at large in such vast numbers between 1990 and 2010 who represent the first generation of what I call the sexodus, a large-scale exit from mainstream society by males who have decided they simply can't face, or be bothered with, forming healthy relationships and participating fully in their local communities, national democracies and other real-world social structures.

A second sexodus generation is gestating today, potentially with even greater damage being done to them by the onset of absurd, unworkable, prudish and downright misandrist laws such as California's "Yes Means Yes" legislation—and by third-wave feminism, which dominates newspapers like the Guardian and new media companies like Vox and Gawker, but which is currently enjoying a hysterical last gasp before women themselves reject it by an even greater margin than the present 4 out of 5 women who say they want nothing to do with the dreaded f-word.

*

The sexodus didn't arrive out of nowhere, and the same pressures that have forced so many millennials out of society exert pressure on their parent's generation, too. One professional researcher in his late thirties, about whom I have been conversing on this topic for some months, puts it spicily: "For the past, at least, 25 years, I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me.

"I can tell you as a heterosexual married male in management, who didn’t drop out of society, the message from the chicks is: 'It's not just preferable that you should fuck off, but imperative. You must pay for everything and make everything work; but you yourself and your preferences and needs can fuck off and die.'"

Women have been sending men mixed messages for the last few decades, leaving boys utterly confused about what they are supposed to represent to women, which perhaps explains the strong language some of them use when describing their situation. As the role of breadwinner has been taken away from them by women who earn more and do better in school, men are left to intuit what to do, trying to find a virtuous mean between what women say they want and what they actually pursue, which can be very different things.

Men say the gap between what women say and what they do has never been wider. Men are constantly told they should be delicate, sensitive fellow travellers on the feminist path. But the same women who say they want a nice, unthreatening boyfriend go home and swoon over simple-minded, giant-chested, testosterone-saturated hunks in Game of Thrones. Men know this, and, for some, this giant inconsistency makes the whole game look too much like hard work. Why bother trying to work out what a woman wants, when you can play sports, masturbate or just play video games from the comfort of your bedroom?

Jack Donovan, a writer based in Portland who has written several books on men and masculinity, each of which has become a cult hit, says the phenomenon is already endemic among the adult population. "I do see a lot of young men who would otherwise be dating and marrying giving up on women," he explains, "Or giving up on the idea of having a wife and family. This includes both the kind of men who would traditionally be a little awkward with women, and the kind of men who aren't awkward with women at all.

"They've done a cost-benefit analysis and realised it is a bad deal. They know that if they invest in a marriage and children, a woman can take all of that away from them on a whim. So they use apps like Tinder and OK Cupid to find women to have protected sex with and resign themselves to being 'players,' or when they get tired of that, 'boyfriends.'"

He goes on: "Almost all young men have attended mandatory sexual harassment and anti-rape seminars, and they know that they can be fired, expelled or arrested based more or less on the word of any woman. They know they are basically guilty until proven innocent in most situations."

Donovan lays much of the blame for the way men feel at the door of the modern feminist movement and what he sees as its disingenuousness. "The young men who are struggling the most are conflicted because they are operating under the assumption that feminists are arguing in good faith," he says, "When in fact they are engaged in a zero-sum struggle for sexual, social, political and economic status—and they're winning.

"The media now allows radical feminists to frame all debates, in part because sensationalism attracts more clicks than any sort of fair or balanced discourse. Women can basically say anything about men, no matter how denigrating, to a mix of cheers and jeers."

That has certainly been the experience of several loose coalitions of men in the media recently, whether scientists outraged by feminist denunciations of Dr Matt Taylor, or video gamers campaigning under the banner of press ethics who saw their movement smeared as a misogynistic hate group by mendacious, warring feminists and so-called "social justice warriors".

Donovan has views on why it has been so easy for feminists to triumph in media battles. "Because men instinctively want to protect women and play the hero, if a man writes even a tentative criticism of women or feminism, he's denounced by men and women alike as some kind of extremist scoundrel. The majority of "men's studies" and "men's rights" books and blogs that aren't explicitly pro-feminist are littered with apologies to women.

"Books like The Myth of Male Power and sites like A Voice for Men are favourite boogeymen of feminists, but only because they call out feminists' one-sided hypocrisy when it comes to pursing 'equality.'"

Unlike modern feminists, who are driving a wedge between the sexes, Men's Rights Activists "actually seem to want sexual equality," he says. But men's studies authors and male academics are constantly tip-toeing around and making sure they don't appear too radical. Their feminine counterparts have no such forbearance, of course, with what he calls "hipster feminists," such as the Guardian's Jessica Valenti parading around in t-shirts that read: "I BATHE IN MALE TEARS."

"I'm a critic of feminism," says Donovan. "But I would never walk around wearing a shirt that says, "I MAKE WOMEN CRY." I'd just look like a jerk and a bully."

It's the contention of academics, sociologists and writers like Jack Donovan that an atmosphere of relentless, jeering hostility to men from entitled middle-class media figures, plus a few confused male collaborators in the feminist project, has been at least partly responsible for a generation of boys who simply don't want to know.

In Part 2, we'll meet some of the men who have "checked out," given up on sex and relationships and sunk into solitary pursuits or alcohol-fuelled lad culture. And we'll discover that the real victims of modern feminism are, of course, women themselves, who have been left lonelier and less satisfied than they have ever been.

Anti Federalist

12-09-2014, 04:27 PM

Sage advice from Wolf Claw...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nka6VVr3J3s

Danke

12-09-2014, 05:43 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA

CPUd

12-09-2014, 06:39 PM

http://i.imgur.com/0F1rnm7.jpg

ghengis86

12-09-2014, 06:43 PM

http://i.imgur.com/0F1rnm7.jpg

Well played! Where is he? I would have figured this thread is right in his wheelhouse.

FloralScent

12-09-2014, 06:44 PM

This is exactly the kind of apathy this little bit of social engineering meant to produce. The government is your daddy now.

Marenco

12-09-2014, 06:45 PM

In b4 Rothbardian Girl and Pessimist :D

FloralScent

12-09-2014, 06:47 PM

In b4 Rothbardian Girl and Pessimist :D

No shit. She is one of their finest examples of how all this was supposed to go down.

AngryCanadian

12-09-2014, 07:40 PM

"In school, boys are screwed over time and again. Schools are engineered for women. In the US

Some claim women need more rights eh? i dont blame most of those people, i blame the way society has turned out to be. The old ways just seem better.

ZENemy

12-09-2014, 07:44 PM

Nothing says love like binding your relationship with government bureaucracy.

FloralScent

12-09-2014, 07:47 PM

The old ways just seem better.

The non-socially engineered ways. People don't behave like this naturally. A lot of planning and money has went into fine-tuning this behavior.

Origanalist

12-09-2014, 08:01 PM

The non-socially engineered ways. People don't behave like this naturally. A lot of planning and money has went into fine-tuning this behavior.

Oh hell yes.

RonPaulIsGreat

12-09-2014, 08:23 PM

Modern Feminism = End of Western Society.

Feminism should have ended in the early 70's after they got everything a man has, 40 years later, still whining for big daddy government to take more for themselves. I wouldn't lift a single finger to help a feminist.

MRK

12-09-2014, 09:05 PM

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James Madison

12-09-2014, 09:46 PM

Modern Feminism = End of Western Society.

Women stop having kids...
Third world grows more and more crowded...
Third world spills into western society...
Western society is no more...

Feminists will ask why 'ownership and oppression' of women seems to be the rule in history and in much of the world today. Here you go.

TheCount

12-09-2014, 09:54 PM

Feminists will ask why 'ownership and oppression' of women seems to be the rule in history and in much of the world today. Here you go.

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows for their own good.

Origanalist

12-09-2014, 10:10 PM

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows for their own good.

I guess it's true, you can't fix stupid.

James Madison

12-09-2014, 10:13 PM

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows for their own good.

Evolution only rewards reproductive success, not morality.

Origanalist

12-09-2014, 10:15 PM

TheCount

12-09-2014, 10:18 PM

Evolution only rewards reproductive success, not morality.

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows because science says so.

Dr.3D

12-09-2014, 10:18 PM

I guess it's true, you can't fix stupid.
Especially when it's chronic.

James Madison

12-09-2014, 10:41 PM

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows because science says so.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/390/247/b4a.gif

If you aren't interested in any sort of rational discussion, seriously...

UWDude

12-10-2014, 01:02 AM

Mani

12-10-2014, 01:40 AM

For some reason reading the beginning of the article about awkward boys who don't know how to talk to women unless they've had a drink first......

Made me think...We have a generation of Raj's?

http://mobilitydigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Big-Bang-Theory-Raj.jpg

I don't disagree with some parts of the premise. Some women do want the sweet affectionate man, but at the same time studly Game of Thrones brute.

I was also a geeky awkward kid who didn't know how to talk to girls. I'm still the more geek than brut. I think MRK pointed out something relevant. It's not like that everywhere.

I lived 10 years in Miami and there's a large cuban and latin population. I didn't like the male/female dynamic so much there. (I'm not saying cubans/latins are like this, I'm commenting on the culture of Miami). The men have to be manly men, if you are not macho you must be gay. The girls care about what you drive first, don't even bother talking beyond that if you don't have a nice car. Men have to lower their voice and act like studs and grunt and grind. The women maybe out on the dance floor with you, but checking out the guy checking her out 10 feet away and she's always on the lookout for something better.

When I came to HK it was such a culture shock being around guys trying to prove their masculinity and out due each other, I mistakenly would think normal hetero guys were gay. They were so soft spoken and polite and effeminate that I was thrown for a loop. Later I realized the here ladies appreciate men who are clean, well-mannered, and kind. One typical scene that gives the perfect example is seeing men walking around next to their GF's holding the women's purse. When a guy is courting his new GF or trying to be sweet, it's not uncommon to see him walking next to his GF holding her purse. I could not imagine any guy in Miami while hulking around proving his masculinity for all to see, offer to take his date's purse and decide to walk up and down the street with it.

There are a lot of options in many parts of Asia where polite, nerdy, awkward guys who are kind and sweet, are very highly valued. I see it all the time with expat guys who are blissfully happy with their Asian partners, and the feeling is mutual. I can't speak from experience, but a lot of my friends say there's an expression that if you have a Japanese wife your life is set forever, you'll be the happiest man, there's nothing in life as loyal as a Japanese wife. But I don't think it's limited to Japanese, I see so many guys married to various Asian women of different nationalities saying similar things. I don't like to generalize because I've heard of horror stories as well, but I do know nerdy nice guys can definitely find plenty of pretty and modern women on this side of the globe. I've also met a few beautiful Ukrainian girls that seem very friendly and I've been told they also highly value "nice guys", but my knowledge on Ukrainian women is extremely limited.

RPfan1992

12-10-2014, 02:55 AM

Edward777

12-10-2014, 08:29 AM

Karen Straughan on why American men are opting away from marriage and commitment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzNN42bJUkw

Pericles

12-10-2014, 03:41 PM

Women must be enslaved as our brood sows for their own good.

All you have to do is become Muslim and capture or buy female slaves. How to posted here: http://www.memrijttm.org/islamic-state-isis-releases-pamphlet-on-female-slaves.html

VIDEODROME

12-10-2014, 04:10 PM

juleswin

12-10-2014, 05:48 PM

THE SEXODUS, PART 2: DISHONEST FEMINIST PANICS LEAVE MALE SEXUALITY IN CRISIS

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/09/The-Sexodus-Part-2-Dishonest-Feminist-Panics-Leave-Male-Sexuality-In-Crisis

I love to read some anti feminist articles as much as the next guy, but how he write the line below with a straight face? Yea, there are some shitty laws feminists have pushed that makes dating more dangerous. But nothing will make a sizable amount of men swear off women. The herbivore men and the MGTOW crowd will always remain a fringe group because men like women and women like men too. Only a small number of women will go along with the feminist attempt to criminalize masculine behaviour.

Part of the problem is unrealistic female expectations, says Valizadeh. "Getting laid with attractive women has become extremely hard for average men"

TheCount

12-10-2014, 05:58 PM

All you have to do is become Muslim and capture or buy female slaves. How to posted here: http://www.memrijttm.org/islamic-state-isis-releases-pamphlet-on-female-slaves.html

That's because Muslims are more evolved.

TheCount

12-10-2014, 06:01 PM

NorthCarolinaLiberty

12-10-2014, 06:04 PM

Tune in. Turn on. Drop out.

parocks

12-10-2014, 07:38 PM

Meh, there has always been misunderstanding between the sexes, and always guys being called creeps for not being smooth.

However, there hasn't always been 50% obesity. That is the real reason. Women aren't even the more beautiful gender anymore. I look around and see mostly rotundo's and granolas.

Yup, and as trust in government tanks, so too does trust in getting justice in a divorce. And anybody that has been in a break up knows what "all is fair in love and war" means.
The solution is simple... ...don't get married, idiot.

Need "no fat chicks" legislation.

If you've got 2 political parties pandering to half the population, both telling the other half to F off, there's an opportunity there.
sMore so than liberty. A party that figures out good ideas for men, and pushes for them.

Can't we legalize prostitution already?

We used to have a draft. Men would fight wars. How about a draft for prostitutes?

Women aren't as good as men as fighting wars, or for a whole bunch of jobs that they changed the standards for, to allow women to qualify.

But hot young teenage girls would be in high demand as prostitutes.

Prostitution is health care = government pays for it.

These obviously aren't libertarian arguments, but they're arguments for men voters.

See the very long thread about the pick up artist banned for entering a country, because he explains what to do to get laid, and it's not what the feminists want you to know.

parocks

12-10-2014, 07:40 PM

I don't think places like Japan have the same kind of feminist movement. It's there, but different, and not as zealous. From what I've read, I think women there are mostly asking for equality in the corporate world seeking equal pay and maybe less openly displayed porno on office desks. Maybe they're not pushing as hard for social changes in private life?

On the other hand, isn't Japan basically rampant with Fetish Porn? ;)

But it's all pixelated.

It could be argue that there hasn't been much of a pushback from men on all the feminist weirdness because internet porn. Before the internet porn wasn't free, and the quality just wasn't there. Now, theres a seemingly inexhaustable supply of extremely high quality internet porn.

UWDude

12-11-2014, 02:07 AM

But hot young teenage girls would be in high demand as prostitutes.

Would be? They have been since money was invented.

See the very long thread about the pick up artist banned for entering a country, because he explains what to do to get laid, and it's not what the feminists want you to know.

Oh, I know. It took a while to learn, but i learned that a long time ago.

the reason I mention obesity is that I have yet to see it as an explanation as to why less men are getting married, and why there are more single people. I heard a stat recently about how something like 50% of New Yorkers live alone, or something astounding like that. Obesity has caused the attractiveness of women to go down drastically, so much so that many guys would rather be alone. there are a lot of fat guys, too, but they either 1. don't want a fat chick, because, well, you know, or B. Hold their weight better, because men distribute weight better. Women are the same, lots of fat girls don't want a fat guy or short guy, so they hold out for a dream guy, blind to the reality of their situation.

Of course, anybody who dare draw the correlation, or suggest research into the correlation, will be most assuredly shunned. After all, everybody works with obese people, and have obese friends. The notion would cause lots of hurt feelings. The epidemic of obesity, however, is new to human history, and I think it is pretty obvious it is causing men to retreat to their caves. Add to that expectations of porn, (although porn has lowered the bar significantly for what is considered hot, since it is much more amateurs), and you have simply not enough women for men to find attractive.

This invariably leads to even more men chasing a smaller pool of attractive women then ever before. That means demand and prices for prostitution rise.

I was watching a documentary on attraction recently, and a college study was being done, I noticed, all of the women were reasonably attractive, yet some were getting 10-scale ratings of 3 and 4, a real flaw in the experiment. They should have had a one morbidly obese girl, one obese, one overweight, and one "curvy", to truly reflect a sample of the current dating pool amongst young people. And that isn't saying for when people start hitting 30's and 40's. There are states in the south where more than half of the people are clinically obese. To be real, the bell curve of attractive people has shifted to the left on the 10-point scale by about 2 or 3 points.

This is truly an epic shift in mating rituals.

I don't know about the mice experiment, but I find it highly interesting the males went off, preened themselves, and did nothing. It seems to me, men are trying harder than ever to be more attractive, the shift quite notable during the "metrosexual" thing of the early 2000's.

DevilsAdvocate

12-11-2014, 05:33 AM

There is a lot of truth in this article. I believe a lot of men are feeling these sentiments in a very powerful way.

This point of view deserves to be listened to and acknowledged, rather than shouted down.

osan

12-11-2014, 06:25 AM

300,000+ facebook shares, 17,000 comments

Note the litany of boo-hooty-hoo complaints. Note the absence of any suggested solutions.

We, the men, are victims. Jesus jumping Christ... the men are as bad as the women, differing only in the favor of their whine, going on and on, but failing to DO anything. Feminism has screwed them, I agree, and has done so with their grand bully boy behind them with guns: government.

Withdrawal could potentially work, but that's not the reason they are withdrawing. They are simply hoisting the white flag. Go ahead if that makes you happy. But what ever happened to mass protest. If half of the men in Germany stopped and said "this far and no further", willing to spill blood if necessary to stand the ground of their innate rights, their "government" would be faced with a dilemma... though given Germany's not-so-distant past, who knows; perhaps there is no dilemma and the guns would blaze them all down.

This sitting around bullshit, playing the victim and whining and moaning about it... do these people ever get sick of it? Or is this the thing, being so frightfully familiar, that brings them comfort?

Shit of get off the pot. Either capitulate and proclaim your surrender forthrightly, if not with pride, or stand tall and tell the women to get the fuck in line or fuck off. I'd be giving the "government" what-for, as well. But no, this is not in the German character, nor that of virtually any other European because he is a dog beaten into submission long ago, his issue bred to the master's word.

And the fact that the Frogs would force a husband to subsidize the raising of the bastard his whore-wife brought into the world is proof of how profoundly mad Europe is. I also believe that this all but guarantees their inevitable destruction. As they march ever more deeply into the territory of raving, erupting insanity, the structure of their societies alters such that the number of barely-holding keystones rises therein, their nature becoming ever less stable. Then one day, a lynch-pin fails and it all comes unwinding in a brief moment. They will die by the hundreds of millions because NOBODY there is prepared for that contingency. They will freak out wildly and few will have at hand the most basic tools of self-defense. Europe has a very long history of base barbarity and there is no reason to believe anything there has changed. At least here in the USA many of us are still able to defend ourselves against marauders, especially if we organize as communities for the common defense.

Knowing the basic European character as I do, which on the mean is even more rank than that of the American, they will simply accept their bondage and abuse with complaints and no action. In time, even the complaints will subside and you will see the vision of the hopeless countenance of the depressed slave laborer as portrayed in Fritz Lange's "Metropolis":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2iUJucbk4

This is where we are all headed if we do not get our heads right. This is the world to which we relegate our posterity.

Much of the world of men has no guts at all.

AuH20

12-11-2014, 09:52 AM

AuH20

12-11-2014, 09:56 AM

Women stop having kids...
Third world grows more and more crowded...
Third world spills into western society...
Western society is no more...

Feminists will ask why 'ownership and oppression' of women seems to be the rule in history and in much of the world today. Here you go.

I can't wait to see these feminists living in a third world society. That would be the ultimate practical joke.

otherone

12-11-2014, 09:59 AM

Can't we legalize prostitution already?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5V24jIYeyhghDTdg4zunmMCurvnYqD j75IvEoTPVpmgFW6RZ3tg

jllundqu

12-11-2014, 10:05 AM

http://i.imgur.com/0F1rnm7.jpg

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMNNNN!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!

AuH20

12-11-2014, 10:05 AM

Would be? They have been since money was invented.

Oh, I know. It took a while to learn, but i learned that a long time ago.

the reason I mention obesity is that I have yet to see it as an explanation as to why less men are getting married, and why there are more single people. I heard a stat recently about how something like 50% of New Yorkers live alone, or something astounding like that. Obesity has caused the attractiveness of women to go down drastically, so much so that many guys would rather be alone. there are a lot of fat guys, too, but they either 1. don't want a fat chick, because, well, you know, or B. Hold their weight better, because men distribute weight better. Women are the same, lots of fat girls don't want a fat guy or short guy, so they hold out for a dream guy, blind to the reality of their situation.

Of course, anybody who dare draw the correlation, or suggest research into the correlation, will be most assuredly shunned. After all, everybody works with obese people, and have obese friends. The notion would cause lots of hurt feelings. The epidemic of obesity, however, is new to human history, and I think it is pretty obvious it is causing men to retreat to their caves. Add to that expectations of porn, (although porn has lowered the bar significantly for what is considered hot, since it is much more amateurs), and you have simply not enough women for men to find attractive.

This invariably leads to even more men chasing a smaller pool of attractive women then ever before. That means demand and prices for prostitution rise.

I was watching a documentary on attraction recently, and a college study was being done, I noticed, all of the women were reasonably attractive, yet some were getting 10-scale ratings of 3 and 4, a real flaw in the experiment. They should have had a one morbidly obese girl, one obese, one overweight, and one "curvy", to truly reflect a sample of the current dating pool amongst young people. And that isn't saying for when people start hitting 30's and 40's. There are states in the south where more than half of the people are clinically obese. To be real, the bell curve of attractive people has shifted to the left on the 10-point scale by about 2 or 3 points.

This is truly an epic shift in mating rituals.

I don't know about the mice experiment, but I find it highly interesting the males went off, preened themselves, and did nothing. It seems to me, men are trying harder than ever to be more attractive, the shift quite notable during the "metrosexual" thing of the early 2000's.

We need Tyler Durden, the ultimate anti-feminist. :)

jllundqu

12-11-2014, 10:18 AM

Men are put in the impossible position of being everything to their female counterparts. The woman wants the man to be androgynous, sensitive, caring, and effeminate..... while at the same time wanting the strong, masculine, take charge, confident man. Women want a man to take care of them financially, physically, and emotionally. It's Dr Jekkyl and Mr Hyde.

In my estimation, many men who are taught they must play both roles simply say "Oh hell no" especially when the roles of women and what they are supposed to "do" for us has changed (for the worse imo) over the last several decades. I am young, but I still think traditional gender roles of the 'manly man' and the 'womanly woman' are what nature intended.... not the crap we have today.

Hell I'm married and sometimes I have the thought of throwing my hands up and saying to hell with this, it's not worth it. But then I realize I have a good woman and a good life and step off the ledge. :o

AuH20

12-11-2014, 10:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HR0P3sIb80

fisharmor

12-11-2014, 10:46 AM

Here's some immortal advice for young men.

First: The more you play the game at a young age, the less likely it is that you'll find a wife.

Second: When you find a wife, marry her. If she starts out ugly, keep telling yourself the third piece of advice.

Third: All women turn into Skeksis eventually. Every single woman, even the ones in movies, are going to get fucking ugly someday. If you can talk to her, that's way more valuable than 20 years of being able to brag about her to your friends.

Fourth: Porn is not sex, it's athletics undertaken by trained professionals, and you literally can't do it like that. But as a thought exercise, think about how many times you masturbate. If you replaced each of those times with sex with an actual woman, what the heck do you have to complain about anymore? If you never HAD to masturbate, how epic does that sex have to be in order for you to be content with it? The answer is "not very". And if you can talk to her (see previous point), you can get there pretty easily.

Fifth: wives generally aren't interested in any of that feminazi bullshit.

I contend that wives are still pretty easy to find, but you have to be looking for a wife, not a whore. It's true that you're not going to get every depraved fantasy fulfilled with a wedding ring. But after your fifth or sixth year of coming home from work to a house that's filled with the smell of your already cooked dinner, and knowing that if you wash up you're probably STILL getting laid, you'll come around.

idiom

12-11-2014, 12:36 PM

I don't think places like Japan have the same kind of feminist movement. It's there, but different, and not as zealous. From what I've read, I think women there are mostly asking for equality in the corporate world seeking equal pay and maybe less openly displayed porno on office desks. Maybe they're not pushing as hard for social changes in private life?

On the other hand, isn't Japan basically rampant with Fetish Porn? ;)

After WW2 America basically emasculated Japan. Being masculine there was essentially banned overnight. Masculinity is outlawed by large chunks of their constitution. All traditional expressions of masculinity we forever stomped out and their culture left with a serious imbalance.

idiom

12-11-2014, 12:42 PM

Here's some immortal advice for young men.

Or just get yourself into the to 20% of men, leave your number on tinder and have a 6 different under 25 women on your dance card until you age out.

This new social order only sucks for the lower 80% of men, and 100% of women.

For the top 20% of guys its awesome. However, its horrific for the economy, hence the age old universal adoption of monogamy worldwide.

Monogamy isn't natural, its a highly efficient economic social construct. It makes the lower 80% of guys more productive, and gives women security after they hit 26.

It work, sort of, for thousands of years.

Its a new more Darwinian ball game now, you only need to get to the top, or look like you live at the top and its a giant gravy train.

idiom

12-11-2014, 12:44 PM

AuH20

12-11-2014, 12:46 PM

If you learn how to be both of those things though, its open season on women. You can have a dozen women simultaneously and they will accept the arrangement.

So you're telling males to become pets? Really?

idiom

12-11-2014, 12:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Rp94n0y.jpg

AuH20

12-11-2014, 12:50 PM

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Effect+of+feminism+150+by+globally+he+means+mostly +africa_8fc1ec_5280850.png

AuH20

12-11-2014, 12:57 PM

muh_roads

12-11-2014, 01:13 PM

This is why men deserve to make more than women in the workplace.

Men get totally fucked on the alimony and child support with the way the system is set up. By the time all that shit is sucked out of the paycheck, the woman ends up with more take home pay anyway.

AuH20

12-11-2014, 03:04 PM

This is a really good read:

http://shrink4men.com/2014/10/22/in-his-own-words-nice-guy-meets-abusive-borderline-personality-disordered-woman-part-i/

http://shrink4men.com/2014/10/23/in-his-own-words-nice-guy-meets-abusive-borderline-personality-disordered-woman-part-ii/

UWDude

12-11-2014, 03:43 PM

Fourth: Porn is not sex, it's athletics undertaken by trained professionals, and you literally can't do it like that. But as a thought exercise, think about how many times you masturbate. If you replaced each of those times with sex with an actual woman, what the heck do you have to complain about anymore? If you never HAD to masturbate, how epic does that sex have to be in order for you to be content with it? The answer is "not very". And if you can talk to her (see previous point), you can get there pretty easily.

Bad advice, man. Don't settle for bad sex. It's better to masturbate than marry a prude. I had hot porno sex for 6 years, no way I'm gonna settle for "lovemaking" on my birthday and Christmas in my relationships.

ThePaleoLibertarian

12-12-2014, 01:39 AM

I think birth rate has more to do with wealth, but lack of marriage has a lot to do with modern women as a whole, created by feminism. Feminist narratives have been internalized by millennials (men and women), and that's bad, bad news.

3rd wave feminists are radfem cultural Marxists, whether they realize it or not. The whole idea of the "reasonable, moderate feminist" just doesn't apply anymore. The only places radical feminists and the broader 3rd wave sometimes disagree is on pornography and sex workers. Other than that the narratives are the same: patriarchy, rape culture, hegemonic masculinity, wage inequity along with a fear and hatred of male sexuality. That's awful enough, but it wouldn't be so bad if they were willing to debate their ideas, but instead they just call anyone who disagrees a misogynistic rape apologist. It's why I'm very wary of feminists who want to synthesize their toxic narratives with libertarianism. These people devour movements from within.

MRK

12-12-2014, 04:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU

AngryCanadian

12-12-2014, 05:48 AM

First: The more you play the game at a young age, the less likely it is that you'll find a wife.
lol i have to disagree with that one.

Suzanimal

12-12-2014, 07:18 AM

oyarde

12-12-2014, 09:22 AM

Bad news for progressives . They need more tax payers .

oyarde

12-12-2014, 09:26 AM

This is why I'm okay with men making more.:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR6CdJtRWM

I will have to play this for the Mrs , she will get a kick out of it .

juleswin

12-12-2014, 09:33 AM

This is why I'm okay with men making more.:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlR6CdJtRWM

First of all, I seriously doubt employers are paying women less money for equal work and secondly, nothing in this world would justify such a discrimination. When men decide to stay in burning buildings, sinking ship etc etc, its because they choose to stay back so the most vulnerable members of society get out first. This is something they do to themselves and not something women did to them, so why punish women because of it? People should be paid according to the contribution they bring to a business and not because of whats between their legs.

If I find out that a business had as their policy to discriminate against women, that is a company I will be boycotting.

Suzanimal

12-12-2014, 09:41 AM

First of all, I seriously doubt employers are paying women less money for equal work and secondly, nothing in this world would justify such a discrimination. When men decide to stay in burning buildings, sinking ship etc etc, its because they choose to stay back so the most vulnerable members of society get out first. This is something they do to themselves and not something women did to them, so why punish women because of it? People should be paid according to the contribution they bring to a business and not because of whats between their legs.

If I find out that a business had as their policy to discriminate against women, that is a company I will be boycotting.

It's a joke.;)

juleswin

12-12-2014, 10:07 AM

It's a joke.;)

Good to know, sometimes you aren't quite sure what some people believe. When you really think about it, if women required that men stay back in burning buildings and other rescue scenarios, I can see how that would justify men getting paid more. Especially if women collectively said so :)

Now was that a joke? or did I really mean that?

Influenza

12-12-2014, 10:11 AM

At my university engineering internships will go to a girl 100 times before they ever go to a guy, if GPA, etc are equivalent. It's a good thing there really aren't too many girls or guys would never find anything :)

jbauer

12-12-2014, 10:29 AM

So thats why my kids don't have any cousins on either side.

Suzanimal

12-12-2014, 10:40 AM

Good to know, sometimes you aren't quite sure what some people believe. When you really think about it, if women required that men stay back in burning buildings and other rescue scenarios, I can see how that would justify men getting paid more. Especially if women collectively said so :)

Now was that a joke? or did I really mean that?

You meant it.:)

DevilsAdvocate

12-13-2014, 03:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKWmFWRVLlU

This made me laugh so hard!!!

Anti Federalist

12-15-2014, 09:16 PM

The Sexodus, Part 2: Dishonest Feminist Panics Leave Male Sexuality In Crisis

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/09/The-Sexodus-Part-2-Dishonest-Feminist-Panics-Leave-Male-Sexuality-In-Crisis

Sexual dysfunction is not unique to the twenty-first century—nor, certainly, to the West. Japan's "herbivores"—men who shun sex and prefer saving money and going on long walks to riding motorcycles and flirting with girls—have been well documented and are regarded by social scientists as the best example of male sexuality turning in on itself.

But although the sexodus, a new retreat into solitude by Western males, has a different flavour to it and dramatically different aetiology from previously observed social crises, many characteristics are identical. And what's troubling about men throwing in the towel in both East and West is the rapidity with which the malaise is spreading across entire generations, fuelled not just by sexual dissatisfaction but also the economic and educational pressures felt by so many young boys.

Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. It's little wonder that in the disorientating modern world, men should seek out extreme measures to help them relate to, and get what they want from, the opposite sex. That probably explains the rise of Julien Blanc, who claims his seminars can transform the way women will respond to you. Blanc is at the extreme end of a movement known as "pick-up artists" or PUAs.

But other voices in the PUA or "red pill" movements, including Daryush Valizadeh, who goes by the pen name Roosh V, says there are structural reasons why society is evolving away from inter-gender contentment. Part of the problem is unrealistic female expectations, says Valizadeh. "Getting laid with attractive women has become extremely hard for average men. Women today of average or even below average quality desire an elite man with above-average looks, muscles, intelligence, and confidence.

"If an average girl works hard enough, she will be able to have a one-night stand with a 'hot' guy every now and then because he happened to be horny and wanted an easy lay. The girl then thinks that she actually can get such a man to commit to her for the long term, and so doesn't give the average guys a chance, holding out for the type of stud that she had a brief sexual encounter with in the past."

Valizadeh has some controversial views on the state of modern womanhood, too. He says: "It's also damaging that the attractiveness of women is rapidly declining, mainly due to the obesity epidemic. No matter what members of the 'fat acceptance' movement say, men have an innate need for fit women. What happens is the few attractive girls left get unimaginable amounts of attention."

According to Valizadeh, today's sexual marketplace represents a Pareto distribution in which "20 percent of the top guys have access to 80 percent of the best women," which has the effect of leaving women holding out for the perfect man, a man who of course never comes.

Valizadeh agrees with masculinity author Jack Donovan that men have been feminised by a culture that rejects and ridicules male characteristics and habits. "Good luck naming one male role model that men have today that actually helps them become men," he remarks. These thoughts are echoed on occasionally rude but compelling male-oriented blogs, such as the phenomenally popular Chateau Heartiste.

They are also supported by the current state of the sex wars, which are constituted bizarrely. One of the remarkable things about recent high-profile skirmishes with feminists is how few mainstream heterosexual men have been involved. In the GamerGate video games controversy, opposition to "social justice warriors" and their attempts at censorship on Twitter has come from older gay men in public life and younger geeks, gamers and drop-outs; in the case of Matt Taylor, it was geeks and other women.

Straight young men simply don't want to know any more. They're not getting involved. Some women, too, horrified by what lesbianised third-wave feminism claims to do in their name, opt out of the argument. The absurd result is that geeks, *****s and dykes are dominating the discussion about how men and women should interact. Jack Donovan, for example, is gay, as is your present correspondent. It's as if gays are the only men left prepared to fight masculinity's corner.

Men want normal relationships that include sex, says Valizadeh. Some of them will read pick-up artist books or go to seminars by people such as Roosh V if they don't get it or need to be trained out of "white knight" behaviours instilled in them by a female-dominated culture. (Men have been taught that being a nice guy gets you laid. It doesn't.)

What strikes a lot of women as strange is how rational and systematic so much of this decision-making is by men. Many young men literally perform a cost-benefit analysis and decide that women aren't worth the hassle. It's girls who lose out in this scenario: men don't need the sustained emotional intimacy that comes with a fulfilling sexual relationship and can retreat into masturbatory pursuits, prostitution and one-night stands much more comfortably.

But that's exactly what it is, from a male point of view: a rational opting out from education, work and marriage by men who have had enough, as a remarkable book by Dr Helen Smith called Men on Strike warned in July last year. (The consensus on this stuff is growing rapidly.)

Men, driven, as many of them like to say, by fact and not emotion, can see that society is not fair to them and more dangerous for them. They point to the fact that they are more likely to be murder victims and more likely to commit suicide. Women do not choose to serve in the Armed Forces and they experience fewer deaths and injuries in the line of work generally.

Women get shorter custodial sentences for the same crimes. There are more scholarships available to them in college. They receive better and cheaper healthcare, and can pick from favourable insurance packages available only to girls. When it comes to children, women are presumed to be the primary caregiver and given preferential treatment by the courts. They have more, better contraceptive options.

Women are less likely to be homeless, unemployed or to abuse drugs than men. They are less likely to be depressed or to suffer from mental illness. There is less pressure on them to achieve financial success. They are less likely to live in poverty. They are given priority by emergency and medical services.

Some might call these statistical trends "female privilege." Yet everywhere and at all times, say men's rights advocates, the "lived experiences" and perceived oppression of women is given a hundred per cent of the airtime, in defiance of the reality that women haven't just achieved parity with men but have overtaken them in almost every conceivable respect. What inequalities remain are the result of women's choices, say respectable feminist academics such as Christina Hoff Sommers, not structural biases.

And yet men are constantly beaten up over bizarre invented concepts such as rape culture and patriarchal privilege. The bizarre but inevitable conclusion of all this is that women are fuelling their own unhappiness by driving men to consider them as sex objects and nothing more, because the thought of engaging in a relationship with a woman is horrifying, or too exhausting to contemplate. And the sexodus will affect women disproportionately harshly because research data show that when women "act like men" by having lots of casual sex, they become unhappy, are more likely to suffer from depression and destroy their chances of securing a meaningful long-term relationship.

*

It's not just video games and casual sex that young men are retreating into. They are also immersing themselves in fetishes that to their grandparents' generation would resemble grounds for incarceration, and which drive them further away from the formerly fairer sex. Consider, for example, the example of furry culture and anthropomorphic animal sex fetishism, both of which are experiencing explosive growth, fuelled by the internet.

Jack Rivlin's student newspaper The Tab, which we encountered in part one, has noticed the trend spreading on UK campuses. (It's already rife throughout the US.) Other alternative sexual behaviours, including homosexuality and transgenderism, are more prevalent on campus now too.

"It's eminently plausible that there are a greater number of people who identify as homosexual, bisexual or other sexualities who are happy to be labelled as such these days," agrees Cambridge Union president Tim Squirrell, from whom we heard in part one, speaking about the students he sees passing through his Union. "I think we're becoming more open and accepting of people who live different kinds of lifestyles and have different kinds of identities."

Gay emancipation, of course, may not have been a uniformly good thing for women. Depending on whose figures you believe—and you're wise not to take the claims of gay advocacy groups or gay magazines too seriously, for obvious reasons—somewhere between 1 per cent and 10 per cent of the adult male population is gay. (It's probably a lot closer to 1 per cent.)

Just a few decades ago, many of those men—at the risk of stereotyping, the most sensitive, artistic, attractive and highest-earning men; that is, perfect husband material—would have got married, had a few kids and led a double life to pursue their forbidden urges. They wouldn't have bothered their wives for sex and they would have made great fathers.

But now they're settling down with men, in many cases not having children at all. In other words, a healthy chunk of the most desirable men—men who no doubt would have cooed along approvingly to feminist exhortations—are now off the market, leaving even fewer eligible men in the dating pool.

(As a side note, here's an argument you won't read elsewhere: gay men test significantly higher, on average, for IQ, and we know that IQ is at least partially genetically determined. Gays don't reproduce as much now they don't have to keep up the pretence of straight relationships. In fact, surveys say they barely reproduce at all.

Is it too much of a stretch to ask whether society's newfound tolerance of homosexuals has made society... well, a bit more stupid? Granted, it sounds far-fetched. But while there's no doubt that liberating gay men from the shame of their secret double lives has been a moral imperative, driven by compassion, no rapid social change comes without trade-offs.)

All this comes before we even discuss the rapid growth of sadomasochistic sex among the young and the "new civil rights frontier" of transgenderism, a psychiatric disorder currently in the process of being repackaged by the Left as an alternative sexual lifestyle.

*

The response to part one of this series was colossal. To date, over 300,000 readers have shared it on Facebook. 16,500 readers left comments. Over 500 men wrote to me privately to express their gratitude and support, from every continent and in all age groups. The younger men spoke especially movingly. (Predictably, hundreds of angry feminists on Twitter scorned it as "entitled whinging from white male manbabies," rather proving the point of the story's premise for me.) Here are the most representative quotes from my conversations, reprinted with permission.

Mark, 24: "Everyone I know feels the same. Your article spoke directly to us. We're not all losers and nerds, we're just normal guys who are either scared of being accused of terrible stuff by harpies or simply can't be bothered any more. I can't believe I'm saying this but I just can't deal with hassle of women any more."

Mickey: "I say no to the whole thing, even though I am very heterosexual and would like the intimacy of a relationship based on mutual respect. Well, I thought I did, but it’s been so long and the standard of behavior for women remains so low, along with my tolerance for dating bullshit, that it does not look like a realistic desire anymore."

Francis, 28: "I'm an athlete. My parents have a lot of money. I have plenty of friends and a good social life. I don't hang out with women any more. Occasionally I'll have one night stands, but mostly I fill my time with other things. I got accused of molesting a girl at college and since then I've just thought, whatever. I play sports instead."

Tilo, 20: "I don't know for sure but your article sounds like me and a lot of my friends. I do furry stuff online in secret. I'd be horrified if my parents found out but it's all that gets me off. Girls are a nightmare. I have a brother who's ten years older and he feels the same. We've given up."

Hector, 26: "I did stick to that social belief for a brief time thinking that the need for a serious relationship would come with the age, but it never happened and slowly I gave up. Today, a few hours before reading your article, I was having lunch with my mother and she kept talking about girlfriends and how I needed to get married, meanwhile I kept thinking 'why would I waste my life with this shit?', and it wasn't until I read your article a few hours later, that I realised. And I don't think it's just my generation that is affected by this."

We can be quite sure now that the sexodus is not some fringe, isolated internet movement as "Men Going Their Own Way" has sometimes been characterised. A combination of disastrous social engineering, special privileges for women, the relentless mockery of white men on the basis of their sex and skin colour and the economic and educational abandonment for boys has created one, if not two, lost generations already.

Men created most of what is good about the world. The excesses of masculinity are also, to be sure, responsible for much of what is bad. But if we are to avoid sliding into decline, mediocrity and a world in which men are actively discriminated against, we must arrest the decline in social attitudes towards them before so many victims are claimed that all hope of reconciliation between the sexes is lost. If that happens, it will be women who will suffer.

otherone

12-15-2014, 09:52 PM

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608006978246478929&pid=15.1&P=0

NoOneButPaul

12-15-2014, 11:03 PM

I think there definitely is a message being promoted in our postmodern culture that if you don't do x, y, z to the strict letter of the law, then you are somehow unworthy to women. It's completely predicated on conformity and control. So the fact that more men are going Galt isn't exactly a revelation. In fact, it's a good thing since this may signal a departure from the general programming.

Totally agree... i'm 25 and pretty much gave up on women 5 years ago.

I have even had others make the move when I was in college and turned into the one rejecting them but frankly I just never had any interest after going through the first 2 years of college going out to the bars every weekend to pick up some whore and wake up the next day to basically realize it's just not worth my time when I could be doing other things and not have to deal with them. By junior year I basically came to realize sex was destroying all my friends lives and totally killing their minds and the lengths they'd go to just to get laid we're pathetic. Ultimately the prospect of living alone forever doesn't bother me plus consider that as the class issue was mentioned earlier if I end up rich at 50 I can just start finding all the 20 something whores all over again like's it's college - that's one of the benefits of being a rich male in our society. Sorry to be so crass but I very much consider myself an A-Sexual at this point because I really don't care about getting laid anymore and American women, for the most part, just aren't fucking worth the time, energy, money, and drama. I'm at the point of wanting a wife, not someone to sleep with, and there just aren't that many good ones out there in my generation. They are all stuck up and self absorbed and above all else never worth the drama or money...

More and more I feel like getting the hell out of the United States is the only option but I feel terribly about leaving my country and not staying here to try and do something about the mess that's been created. It's a tough choice... happiness or duty... and so far I continue to stick with duty as I feel an obligation to help save our Republic.

The markets and mindsets of people in Asia is just so much more capitalistic than in America (yes I said capitalist not communist) and the fact their women haven't been ruined by the Borg yet is just another pro... it keeps adding up... but ultimately I can't bring myself to leave everything I know and love here.

God I hate the Scum that have ruined everything about this country... with every fiber of my being...

Mani

12-15-2014, 11:41 PM

Totally agree... i'm 25 and pretty much gave up on women 5 years ago.

I have even had others make the move when I was in college and turned into the one rejecting them but frankly I just never had any interest after going through the first 2 years of college going out to the bars every weekend to pick up some whore and wake up the next day to basically realize it's just not worth my time when I could be doing other things and not have to deal with them. By junior year I basically came to realize sex was destroying all my friends lives and totally killing their minds and the lengths they'd go to just to get laid we're pathetic. Ultimately the prospect of living alone forever doesn't bother me plus consider that as the class issue was mentioned earlier if I end up rich at 50 I can just start finding all the 20 something whores all over again like's it's college - that's one of the benefits of being a rich male in our society. Sorry to be so crass but I very much consider myself an A-Sexual at this point because I really don't care about getting laid anymore and American women, for the most part, just aren't fucking worth the time, energy, money, and drama. I'm at the point of wanting a wife, not someone to sleep with, and there just aren't that many good ones out there in my generation. They are all stuck up and self absorbed and above all else never worth the drama or money...

More and more I feel like getting the hell out of the United States is the only option but I feel terribly about leaving my country and not staying here to try and do something about the mess that's been created. It's a tough choice... happiness or duty... and so far I continue to stick with duty as I feel an obligation to help save our Republic.

The markets and mindsets of people in Asia is just so much more capitalistic than in America (yes I said capitalist not communist) and the fact their women haven't been ruined by the Borg yet is just another pro... it keeps adding up... but ultimately I can't bring myself to leave everything I know and love here.

God I hate the Scum that have ruined everything about this country... with every fiber of my being...

Take a trip to Asia, visit a few places, and see what's out there.

When you travel abroad you will be like...

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3ymixhCzj1qz57ezo1_500.png

America is so third world! It really opens up your eyes when you see good ole USA is so far behind in a lot of ways.

And then if you start doing business in other countries and then try doing some with USA and find out, OMG USA is so backward, this is just so painful.

idiom

12-16-2014, 12:06 AM

Does anyone think that once the economic collapse occurs, that a lot of this socially engineered voodoo will disappear? On one hand, it could get very regressive and violent but on the other hand, many minds may be liberated.

The socially engineered voodoo is disappearing. Marriage is the social engineering. Its why the guys at the top can't have 100 wives each, and the guys at the bottom have a chance to reproduce and are thus motivated to work the same blue collar shift job for 40 years.

Its not natural, that's why it has to be 'protected' by government and religions with threats of imprisonment and eternal damnation if you don't go the socially engineered route of getting married young and staying that way till you die like a good little cog.

jmdrake

12-16-2014, 12:31 AM

So.....if feminism is causing the downfall of society....and if the downfall of society leads to stupid behavior....Mike Brown's stupid behavior arguably contributed to the police encounter that led to his death...then why are people ragging on Ben Carson again?

osan

12-16-2014, 12:39 AM

The socially engineered voodoo is disappearing.

If you truly believe this, then it is certain that you and I are not living on the same planet.

osan

12-16-2014, 12:56 AM

Here's some immortal advice for young men.

First: The more you play the game at a young age, the less likely it is that you'll find a wife.

Which game is it to which you refer?

Second: When you find a wife, marry her. If she starts out ugly, keep telling yourself the third piece of advice.

If you have found a wife, does that not by definition mean you have already married her?

Third: All women turn into Skeksis eventually.

Is this anything like "smegma"?

Fourth: Porn is not sex, it's athletics undertaken by trained professionals,

Funny, but it sure looks like sex.

and you literally can't do it like that.

Feh... speak for yourself.

I contend that wives are still pretty easy to find,

Sure, but most of them appear not to be worth a cardboard match. Don't feel singled-out girls - the men are almost just as bad; though in different ways. However, unlike women, guys are not typically cruel. If a guy is pissed with you, he will either yell, throw a punch, or shoot you - the bottom line here that it's over relatively quickly. A woman is an entirely different kettle of fish: they will talk and yip and snipe you to death over the course of many decades and they do it devoid of the least compassion. Once you've managed to truly piss off the woman, your life has turned in to bucket of crap and it is all downhill from there. :)

but you have to be looking for a wife, not a whore.

This presupposes the mutual exclusivity of the sets of "wife" and "whore"; an assumption that is barely plausible at best.

It's true that you're not going to get every depraved fantasy fulfilled with a wedding ring.

You mean I've got more? Well, out with it man! Where are they?

James Madison

12-16-2014, 12:43 PM

dannno

12-16-2014, 12:55 PM

AuH20

12-16-2014, 01:08 PM

The socially engineered voodoo is disappearing. Marriage is the social engineering. Its why the guys at the top can't have 100 wives each, and the guys at the bottom have a chance to reproduce and are thus motivated to work the same blue collar shift job for 40 years.

Its not natural, that's why it has to be 'protected' by government and religions with threats of imprisonment and eternal damnation if you don't go the socially engineered route of getting married young and staying that way till you die like a good little cog.

The problem really isn't marriage at face value, but all the nonessential bunk that has been sneakily piled into the marriage contract over the years. It's all about societal control. Once you are plugged into the system with the children, the corresponding extortion payments (local, state, federal) and the so-called lifestyle prerequisites, the TPTB basically can dictate your behavior from that moment forth. You know how many married guys I know with dead end jobs and kids, who hate the system but can't lift a finger to fight it? Too many...

osan

12-16-2014, 06:24 PM

You know how many married guys I know with dead end jobs and kids, who hate the system but can't lift a finger to fight it? Too many...

You were doing great up to the bolded part. Can't? As much of a socio-fascist police state as America has become, we still retain the ability to make our own way. People do it every day. There are very few who cannot; endless million, however, will not. Unless you are seriously brain damaged, you are able to improve your lot.

I used to make about $500K/year. These past ten years I have made nothing. I was jammed up like the devil - a very real problem - but never was I a victim. I was simply shit out of ideas. But that is now changed. I have designed a high-speed trigger system and am about to build the first prototype... probably starting next week - merry Christmas to myself, I suppose. It may fly. It may crash. If it crashes, I will try something else.

Short of a significant organic brain disability, there is no such thing as "can't". That does not mean getting to a better place will not he difficult - perhaps hellishly so - but that is NOT the same as "can't". It is not even close.

I will now step off my soapbox.

Merry Christmas everyone.

PaulConventionWV

12-24-2014, 11:10 PM

After WW2 America basically emasculated Japan. Being masculine there was essentially banned overnight. Masculinity is outlawed by large chunks of their constitution. All traditional expressions of masculinity we forever stomped out and their culture left with a serious imbalance.

No wonder. Have you ever listened to Japanese rock music? It's dominated by women. It's very strange... but very sexy.

idiom

12-24-2014, 11:22 PM

No wonder. Have you ever listened to Japanese rock music? It's dominated by women. It's very strange... but very sexy.

A tonne of their men have just checked out. They have computer programs for girl friends, and other really screwed up realities. Pure passive men who will never approach women, have no desire or need to.

If women want men to be like women, then it can be done, but they probably won't like it.

PaulConventionWV

12-24-2014, 11:24 PM

Totally agree... i'm 25 and pretty much gave up on women 5 years ago.

I have even had others make the move when I was in college and turned into the one rejecting them but frankly I just never had any interest after going through the first 2 years of college going out to the bars every weekend to pick up some whore and wake up the next day to basically realize it's just not worth my time when I could be doing other things and not have to deal with them. By junior year I basically came to realize sex was destroying all my friends lives and totally killing their minds and the lengths they'd go to just to get laid we're pathetic. Ultimately the prospect of living alone forever doesn't bother me plus consider that as the class issue was mentioned earlier if I end up rich at 50 I can just start finding all the 20 something whores all over again like's it's college - that's one of the benefits of being a rich male in our society. Sorry to be so crass but I very much consider myself an A-Sexual at this point because I really don't care about getting laid anymore and American women, for the most part, just aren't fucking worth the time, energy, money, and drama. I'm at the point of wanting a wife, not someone to sleep with, and there just aren't that many good ones out there in my generation. They are all stuck up and self absorbed and above all else never worth the drama or money...

More and more I feel like getting the hell out of the United States is the only option but I feel terribly about leaving my country and not staying here to try and do something about the mess that's been created. It's a tough choice... happiness or duty... and so far I continue to stick with duty as I feel an obligation to help save our Republic.

The markets and mindsets of people in Asia is just so much more capitalistic than in America (yes I said capitalist not communist) and the fact their women haven't been ruined by the Borg yet is just another pro... it keeps adding up... but ultimately I can't bring myself to leave everything I know and love here.

God I hate the Scum that have ruined everything about this country... with every fiber of my being...

Doooood,

Why in the hell would you feel an obligation or duty to the US? It's just a place, and a fucked up one at that. Why would you stay here when there's so much more out there to be explored? Why would you even want to try to fix this mess? It's not worth it. You don't have an obligation to stay and help clean up a mess that cannot be cleaned up. Just get the hell out and open up your life.

Well, anyway, that's what I'm doing and that's what I recommend if you feel that way. What would you stay for? Who would you stay for? Nobody can make you care about this shit hole. Don't let anyone tell you you have some sort of obligation not to leave.