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AuH20
12-05-2014, 09:25 AM
Did this go down the memory hole from our esteemed 4th estate? Secondly, why hasn't the black female police sergeant been questioned by the media?

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/12/05/Superior-officer-on-the-scene-during-Eric-Garner-s-death-was-a-black-woman


Lost in the racial outcry over the decision to not indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the death of Black petty criminal Eric Garner is the key fact that the attempt to arrest Garner was overseen by a Black female police sergeant.

The Black female police sergeant is not shown in the countless replays in the media of cellphone footage that showed white male police officers confronting and taking down Garner but she is said to be seen in the video.

CaptUSA
12-05-2014, 09:40 AM
Not really sure why this matters...

It's not that these officers were purely racially-motivated, it's that the enforcement of the laws are motivated on the socio-economic conditions in which many African-Americans find themselves.

AuH20
12-05-2014, 09:46 AM
Not really sure why this matters...

It's not that these officers were purely racially-motivated, it's that the enforcement of the laws are motivated on the socio-economic conditions in which many African-Americans find themselves.

I think it matters immensely because the meme that's being put forth in the MSM is that blacks are being treated like subhumans by the police, due to racial animus.

CaptUSA
12-05-2014, 09:51 AM
I think it matters immensely because the meme that's being put forth in the MSM is that blacks are being treated like subhumans by the police, due to racial animus.

Nah, they're being treated like subhumans by the police because they're the easiest targets.

AuH20
12-05-2014, 09:55 AM
Nah, they're being treated like subhumans by the police because they're the easiest targets.

I think it has more to do with a perfect storm of sorts. We have one group that commits an inordinate share of the crime in this country in relation to their scarce population nationally and then we have an increasingly vigilant & corrupt police state that is assigned to these many hot spots. More confrontations are obviously going to lead to more glaring incidents.

thoughtomator
12-05-2014, 10:01 AM
I think it matters immensely because the meme that's being put forth in the MSM is that blacks are being treated like subhumans by the police, due to racial animus.

Yep, the divide-and-conquer memes are out in force.

CaptUSA
12-05-2014, 10:05 AM
I think it has more to do with a perfect storm of sorts. We have one group that commits an inordinate share of the crime in this country in relation to their scarce population nationally and then we have an increasingly vigilant & corrupt police state that is assigned to these many hot spots. More confrontations are obviously going to lead to more glaring incidents.

Which group are you talking about? Race or lower socio-economic standing?

Perhaps you are only talking about violent crimes? Because drug use is pretty evenly split. Although, the incarceration rate is not. And while people at the lower rungs of society opt to use violence as a means to steal, people at the upper ends use pens. The amount of wealth stolen would suggest quite a different picture of who commits an inordinate share of crime.

It's only because those at the lower rungs are easier targets that they are mistreated in such stark circumstances. Bullies are cowards. So are tyrants.

AuH20
12-05-2014, 10:10 AM
Which group are you talking about? Race or lower socio-economic standing?

Perhaps you are only talking about violent crimes? Because drug use is pretty evenly split. Although, the incarceration rate is not.

Yes, violent crime. The numbers are staggering.


A 2012 study by the Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention revealed that in 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.


Similar statistics were released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the “Uniform Crime Reports.” They determined, “In the year 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery.” By contrast, the only categories where white youths surpassed blacks were in liquor law violations and driving under the influence.




And while people at the lower rungs of society opt to use violence as a means to steal, people at the upper ends use pens. The amount of wealth stolen would suggest quite a different picture of who commits an inordinate share of crime.

It's only because those at the lower rungs are easier targets that they are mistreated in such stark circumstances. Bullies are cowards. So are tyrants.

I agree with your assessment on legalized crime, but what does that have to do with black violent crime epidemic?

jmdrake
12-05-2014, 10:20 AM
Nah, they're being treated like subhumans by the police because they're the easiest targets.

Exactly! It's the same reason Kelly Thomas was an easy target. And for the record, if Breitbart isn't fighting against police brutality in the Kelly Thomas case then they can go to hell.

jmdrake
12-05-2014, 10:21 AM
Yes, violent crime. The numbers are staggering.









I agree with your assessment on legalized crime, but what does that have to do with black violent crime epidemic?

What the hell does violent crime have to do with the Eric Garner case? Breaking up a fight is to be commended. And if he did illegally sell cigarettes, no evidence brought forward that he was immediately prior to being arrested, that's still not a violent crime. The police had absolutely NO reason to suspect he was being violent. And as for the black supervisor, so what? She didn't mind her goon. That doesn't mean her goon wasn't racist. And frankly whether he was racist or not is irrelevant. Were the white and hispanic cops that beat Kelly Thomas to death racists or just evil?

pcosmar
12-05-2014, 10:23 AM
Yes, violent crime. The numbers are staggering.


I agree with your assessment on legalized crime, but what does that have to do with black violent crime epidemic?

And how much of that "epidemic" has to do with the same controllers that run the police?
Is it instigated or engineered by the Social Controllers?

I personally believe that it was.. that it is intentional

jmdrake
12-05-2014, 10:23 AM
I think it has more to do with a perfect storm of sorts. We have one group that commits an inordinate share of the crime in this country in relation to their scarce population nationally and then we have an increasingly vigilant & corrupt police state that is assigned to these many hot spots. More confrontations are obviously going to lead to more glaring incidents.

And the reason this white boy was shot for answering the door with a Wii remote was what exactly?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1619836.1392833198!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/wii20n-4-web.jpg

AuH20
12-05-2014, 10:23 AM
What the hell does violent crime have to do with the Eric Garner case? Breaking up a fight is to be commended. And if he did illegally sell cigarettes, no evidence brought forward that he was immediately prior to being arrested, that's still not a violent crime.

The general meme being promoted in the media is that the police are unfairly targeting African Americans because of their color, while completely discounting the fact that the residents of these inner cities are calling the hated cops nonstop for assistance.

jmdrake
12-05-2014, 10:28 AM
The general meme being promoted in the media is that the police are unfairly targeting African Americans because of their color, while completely discounting the fact that the residents of these inner cities are calling the hated cops nonstop for assistance.

And sometimes black police get caught up in racism of their peers just like black slave overseers back in the day. Irrelevant. As for the cops being called, the claim they were called by a "minority store owner". I'm willing to bet that "minority store owner" was Indian or Asian and not black.

That said, the "general meme" being promoted by the media is that these killing were unjustified and that the cops are getting away with it because they are cops. It just so happens that the people complaining the loudest are black. White people should go and do thou likewise, minus the looting and blocking the highways.

AuH20
12-05-2014, 10:30 AM
And how much of that "epidemic" has to do with the same controllers that run the police?
Is it instigated or engineered by the Social Controllers?

I personally believe that it was.. that it is intentional

I don't think that is so far-fetched. The social controllers have imprisoned them and they don't even need physical bars to do so. It's quite an accomplishment. With that said, their group voluntarily swallowed the poison pill when offered.

moostraks
12-05-2014, 10:40 AM
Yes, violent crime. The numbers are staggering.
I agree with your assessment on legalized crime, but what does that have to do with black violent crime epidemic?


...Studies on race and sentencing have shown
that young Black males are sentenced more severely than are members of other racial
or ethnic groups (Crawford, Chiricos, & Kleck, 1998; Mauer, 1999; Miller, 1996;
Steffensmeier, Ulmer, & Kramer, 1998). Research on the treatment of defendants in
court proceedings shows that prosecutors sometimes take advantage of and perpetuate
racial stereotypes by characterizing Blacks as particularly prone to violent criminality,
which results in higher conviction rates (Higginbotham, 2002). It is reasonable to
expect that prosecutors will persist with this kind of practice if it produces more
successful outcomes for them. When the public sees such a large portion of those
convicted and sentenced by criminal courts are Black, the message conveyed is that
Blackness and criminality are inextricably related.

It would appear that whatever racial differences may exist at the level of behavior
may be somewhat amplified by differences at the level of incarceration and other
forms of criminal sanctions.1 It is widely recognized that a disproportionate number
of Blacks are under some sort of correctional supervision (Currie, 1998; Katz, 2000;
Mauer, 1999; Miller, 1992, 1994, 1996; Tonry, 1995; Wilson, 1987). Almost 25% of
Black men ages 20 to 29 are under some form of correctional authority (Austin &
Irwin, 2001). Blacks are almost 7 times more likely to be incarcerated than are
Whites, which means that the odds that a Black man will do time at some point in his
life are 1 in 3, and for Whites it is 1 in 25 (Katz, 2000). Encountering some sort of
criminal punishment from the justice system has become something of an expectation
for many young, urban Black men (Bridges, Crutchfield, & Simpson, 1987; Hagan &
Albonetti, 1982; Miller, 1992). The threat of being incarcerated has become an almost
expected part of life for Blacks because, statistically, many minority males will be
punished by the criminal justice system at some point during their lives (Austin &
Irwin, 2001). It is clear that “the confluence of issues of race and class with the prison
system have become a fundamental feature of the national landscape” (Mauer, 1999,
p. 3). Not surprisingly, awareness of this statistical fact has been a catalyst for recent
dialogue and policy concerning racial profiling by law enforcement officers...

The current recognizability of the image of a young Black criminal has been the
result of various representations of crime. Contributions to this relationship that many
identify between African Americans and criminality include actual involvement in
crime, especially crack cocaine violations and violent offenses. Blacks do account for
a disproportionate amount of crime arrests and are disproportionately convicted and
incarcerated. But public estimates of Black criminality surpass the reality. The media
perpetuate ideas linking race with criminality, which have also been reinforced by
political agendas. The temporary efficacy of using a racial hoax to mislead law enforcement
and the public has capitalized on and strengthened views about race and crime.
All of these phenomena have served to solidify the stereotype of the young Black
man as a criminal threat among the public in contemporary American society, which
then fuels the practice of racial profiling by criminal justice officials. The prevalent
typification of Blacks as criminals seems to justify law enforcement tactics that exploit
race in criminal investigations. Only when criminal justice personnel recognize that the
sources of these stereotypes are flawed or based on discriminatory practices themselves
will the rationale for maintaining the unofficial policy and practice of racial profiling of
criminals be negated. When the association between race and criminality ceases to be
compelling, it will be apparent that racial profiling serves no useful purpose.
http://www.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Welch.pdf

pcosmar
12-05-2014, 10:40 AM
Superior Officer Supervising Garner Arrest was an Authoritarian.

One of many in an essentially Authoritarian Organization

Ender
12-05-2014, 10:47 AM
I agree with your assessment on legalized crime, but what does that have to do with black violent crime epidemic?

Everything.

Black families did pretty well until LBJ's "Civil Rights" Act. This did NOT help blacks but separated them and drove them to poverty.

Whites commit just as many crimes but much of it is done from their desks, as most do not have to steal to eat or to have some pocket change. The WoD enhances crime among the poor because it provides a way to make significant bucks quickly.

Gov involvement in every part of life ensures that the poor stay poor. The minimum wage keeps many poverty-stricken people from working.

It is also a fact that more blacks go to jail than whites for committing the very same crimes.

AuH20
12-05-2014, 10:50 AM
http://www.sagepub.com/gabbidonstudy/articles/Welch.pdf

I think you're overvaluing the symptoms (arrests) as opposed to the virus of this behavior. Look at the numbers pre-1950. When you take away someone's dignity and make them a ward of the state, you can control them.

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/07/31/black-selfsabotage-n1651550/page/full


The truth is that black female-headed households were just 18 percent of households in 1950, as opposed to about 68 percent today. In fact, from 1890 to 1940, the black marriage rate was slightly higher than that of whites. Even during slavery, when marriage was forbidden for blacks, most black children lived in biological two-parent families. In New York City, in 1925, 85 percent of black households were two-parent households. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were two-parent households.


During the 1960s, devastating nonsense emerged, exemplified by a Johns Hopkins University sociology professor who argued, "It has yet to be shown that the absence of a father was directly responsible for any of the supposed deficiencies of broken homes." The real issue, he went on to say, "is not the lack of male presence but the lack of male income." That suggests marriage and fatherhood can be replaced by a welfare check.



The poverty rate among blacks is 36 percent. Most black poverty is found in female-headed households. The poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits since 1994 and is about 8 percent today. The black illegitimacy rate is 75 percent, and in some cities, it's 90 percent. But if that's a legacy of slavery, it must have skipped several generations, because in the 1940s, unwed births hovered around 14 percent.


http://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/relationship-between-welfare-state-crime-0


Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that “the ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today.”(1) Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For example, research by Dr. June O’Neill’s and Anne Hill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black men.(2)

Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior.(3) Moreover, O’Neill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)

Valli6
12-05-2014, 12:16 PM
I'm wondering if the white cop is getting off so that no discussion of the role played by higher-ranking black officers is ever made known to the public. This would make the response easier for elected officials by limiting the discussion to racism. Could that be why they won't release any of the (real) evidence from the grand jury - like they did in Ferguson?

Politicians are intent on maintaining the narrative as a "white vs black" one, but this was a high-level black cop's plan, with white grunts sent to carry out the abuse. By not acknowledging this, they can stick with the same old narrative they are comfortable with, rather than addressing the increased power, tyrannical behavior and militarization of the police.

Department Chief Phillip Banks is the guy who made sellers of single cigarettes his "white whale". Banks had Bay St. under surveillance for some time and had ordered a crackdown on people selling "loosies" on the street. As I'm hearing that they had already arrested Garner a number of times for selling butts, one would assume his name was known to investigators. Was Garner a specific target that day?
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/wife-man-filmed-chokehold-arrested-article-1.1893790#TAmKBCYxCMJTW9p3.97

Chief Philip Banks is "the highest-ranking black official in the NYPD" and evidently much loved by NY Democrats and particularly Mayor De Blasio! Check out some of his buddies mentioned in one article:

Al Sharpton
Mayor Bill De Blasio,
Public Advocate Letitia James
Blacks in Law Enforcement of America
City Council Member Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn),
City Council Member Vanessa Gibson (D-Bronx)
City Council Member & co-chair of the Black, Latino and Asian Caucus, Andy King (D-
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-chief-department-philip-banks-resigns-sources-article-1.1994283

Notice also that there had been an attempt to "promote" Banks to a less active role in late October - after Garner was killed, but prior to the grand jury.

I hope they can be forced to release evidence from the grand jury to explain how a non-indictment happened.