Cop cleared in chokehold death of Eric Garner

[twomp]

A Staten Island grand jury cleared an NYPD cop Wednesday in the chokehold death of Eric Garner during his caught-on-video arrest for peddling loose cigarettes, The Post has learned.

The panel voted a “no-bill” and dismissed all potential charges against Officer Daniel Pantaleo, sources said.
The blockbuster decision capped weeks of investigation by the special grand jury, which was empaneled in September specifically to review evidence in Garner’s racially charged death.

It was unclear exactly what charges prosecutors asked the grand jury to consider filing, or how the vote went.
A Staten Island grand jury cleared an NYPD cop Wednesday in the chokehold death of Eric Garner during his caught-on-video arrest for peddling loose cigarettes, The Post has learned. The panel voted a “no-bill” and dismissed all potential charges against Officer Daniel Pantaleo, sources said. The blockbuster decision capped weeks of investigation by the special grand jury, which was empaneled in September specifically to review evidence in Garner’s racially charged death. It was unclear exactly what charges prosecutors asked the grand jury to consider filing, or how the vote went.

Under New York law, an indictment must be agreed upon by at least 12 members of a grand jury, which can have up to 23 members.

Cell-phone video of Garner’s July 17 arrest shows Pantaleo wrestling him to the sidewalk on Bay Street, with the white cop’s arms wrapped around the neck of the black suspect.

On the ground, Garner was heard repeatedly yelling “I can’t breathe!” as Pantaleo and other cops held him down and handcuffed him.

The Medical Examiner’s Office ruled Garner’s death a homicide caused by “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT66U_Ftdng

read the rest here:
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/cop-cleared-in-eric-garner-chokehold-death/

Now waiting for the team of copsuckers to come here and say that the guy deserved to die because he was breaking the law and selling cigarettes illegally.

[aGameOfThrones]

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[JK/SEA]

damn...whats up with tobacco products these days?......this shit is getting people murdered.

on a side note....my understanding is he did it to himself, but i'll wait for the DFF opinion first.

[twomp]

damn...whats up with tobacco products these days?......this shit is getting people murdered.

on a side note....my understanding is he did it to himself...

Haven't you heard? Cigarettes are bad for your health.

[JK/SEA]

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[twomp]

On a side note:

It's incredibly rare for a Grand Jury to reject an indictment. Like 99% rare.


Former New York state Chief Judge Sol Wachtler famously remarked that a prosecutor could persuade a grand jury to “indict a ham sandwich.” The data suggests he was barely exaggerating: According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. attorneys prosecuted 162,000 federal cases in 2010, the most recent year for which we have data. Grand juries declined to return an indictment in 11 of them.

source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

This makes 2 Grand Juries NOT indicting 2 cops in the past 2 weeks. If you know a cop, tell him/her to buy a lottery ticket. They are beating the odds!

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Mike Brown Case, not sure...

This case, cops killed him for nothing really. I guess they killed him t protect state tax revenues or something. Government=Good, or something.

[newbitech]

On a side note:

It's incredibly rare for a Grand Jury to reject an indictment. Like 99% rare.



source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

This makes 2 Grand Juries NOT indicting 2 cops in the past 2 weeks. If you know a cop, tell him/her to buy a lottery ticket. They are beating the odds!


Makes me want to know what happened in those 11 no-bills from 2010. Whats the over under on how many of those 11 are employed by the state or have fascist ties to the state?

[JK/SEA]

Mike Brown Case, not sure...

This case, cops killed him for nothing really. I guess they killed him t protect state tax revenues or something. Government=Good, or something.

they didn't kill him for nothing...it was over cigs for chrissakes. What are you, one of those anti-smoking nazi's?...plus he was a big scary black guy....sound familiar?

[sparebulb]

Eric Garner did the choking to himself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op7tQGEtP4k

[SeanTX]

There might be a noisy protest in the streets over it, while the NYPD sits back watching and laughing over getting away with murder again, and thinking about the sweet overtime pay they will get from being out there to keep the "animals" in line.

And people wonder why stuff sometimes gets burned down (not that I advocate it, unless proper targets are chosen, which of course is impossible to carry out).

[jonhowe]

He wasn't even selling loosies...


I honestly am shocked. I shouldn't be, I know. But there's no ambiguity. There's no conflicting witnesses; it's on tape. This man was murdered and we can all watch it on youtube. He was choked to death by another man on tape. The other man knew what would happen when he used a choke hold (as in, a hold that chokes, as in a hold that cuts off air supply) like that. Even the thugs at the NYPD know that choke holds kill, that's why they supposedly banned them.



I can't fucking believe this.

[jonhowe]

Double post.

[AuH20]

I wonder what charges the prosecution went for? They could have shot for the moon and struck out, instead of going for the obvious low hanging fruit.

[morfeeis]

Milgram/Obedience to Authority/stupid people.

[Lucille]

...

[Lucille]

SMH

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/11/25/morning-links-wilson-cleared-ferguson-erupts/


How often do grand juries indict police officers? Almost never.
How often do grand juries indict non-police officers? Almost always.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-03/ferguson-20-grand-jury-fails-indict-white-nypd-cop-chokehold-death-case


A Staten Island grand jury has decided not to indict white NYPD officer Daniel Panateleo, according to NY1, who allegedly used a banned chokehold and killed Eric Garner, a 400lb black man, who was stopped on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes. Eric Garner's son has called for peace and hopes there is no Ferguson-like response...

[moostraks]

Wellll...seeing the responses I have of late from folks on the 'net, seems as those there is always a way to find an officer not guilty of even the most offensive behavior because, Ya know, the big fellow asked for it by not , um, cooperating to the fullest. Seems almost like a coordinated effort to run these high profile cases in such a manner so as to leave a certain residual idea behind so as to keep the naysayers in line.

And just to test my theory I looked into a few articles, and yep, same sorts of folks there to excuse the officers because no one should resist an officer's commands.

[AuH20]

If the prosecution attempted to get a murder 1 or murder 2 charge, they were probably overzealous. But I don't have all the details.

[Occam's Banana]

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[jllundqu]

He wasn't even selling loosies...


I honestly am shocked. I shouldn't be, I know. But there's no ambiguity. There's no conflicting witnesses; it's on tape. This man was murdered and we can all watch it on youtube. He was choked to death by another man on tape. The other man knew what would happen when he used a choke hold (as in, a hold that chokes, as in a hold that cuts off air supply) like that. Even the thugs at the NYPD know that choke holds kill, that's why they supposedly banned them.



I can't fucking believe this.

Again... if a 'civilian' choked to death someone on the street on tape, it'd be the jail time. If a mundane choked a COP to death?? Summary execution....

[aGameOfThrones]

"Every attack on an officer of the law is an attack on our state, our country and civilized society," Corbett said in a statement. "The incident in Blooming Grove shows, once again, that our first responders face constant danger in order that the rest of us may live in peace and safety."

[jllundqu]

It's those magical costumes!

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/5e/5edc2b0a2a718dd492a5f0018ef31bf15b1e2055e35c6f0fd3 a5121ad2a8683f.jpg

[CPUd]

I think he will probably end up getting kicked off the PD for excessive force.



Pantaleo, according to a statement from his union, the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can't protect themselves. It is never my intention to harm anyone and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss."




Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch said "there are no winners" from the grand jury decision.

"There was a loss of life that both a family and a police officer will always have to live with," he said.

"It is clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed and that he used the take-down technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused," Lynch added. "No police officer starts a shift intending to take another human being's life and we are all saddened by this tragedy."




"When something happens, to have a video record of it, from the police officers' perspective, is going to help in many, many ways," Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters. "And God forbid, when something goes wrong, we are going to have a clearer understanding of what happened."

[jllundqu]

"Every attack on an officer of the law is an attack on our state, our country and civilized society," Corbett said in a statement. "The incident in Blooming Grove shows, once again, that our first responders face constant danger in order that the rest of us may live in peace and safety."

Where have I heard that??


An attack on the king's solders, is an attack on the king himself!

[twomp]

If the prosecution attempted to get a murder 1 or murder 2 charge, they were probably overzealous. But I don't have all the details.

Yeah, that was probably it huh? I mean if it was me or you choking someone to death on videotape, we wouldn't get indicted either right? Copsucker.

[CPUd]

Sounds like they were deliberating on some type of homicide. I haven't found the instructions yet, but their vote was dependent on whether or not the cop had malicious intent.

[morfeeis]

What was that old saying soap, ballot, jury and ammo box? i wouldn't be shocked if those facing arrest start opening fire, they are being left with few options.

[phill4paul]

This is why I will never allow myself to subject to these thugs, murderers, thieves and rapists. I will stand armed and equal. And at least one of them will never have to worry about a paid vacation and a clean bill of health from the Just-Us state.

[jmdrake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ka4oKu1jo

He robbed a store....no that's not right.

He was walking down the middle of the street....no that's not right.

He was tried to take an officer's gun.....no that's not right.

He was charging an officer....no that's not right.

He was a big black man. Okay. Right.

He didn't lick boots of cops. Okay. Right.

He was willing to assert his innocence. Yep. Right.

Submit to authoritay or die!

[Dianne]

Mike Brown Case, not sure...

This case, cops killed him for nothing really. I guess they killed him t protect state tax revenues or something. Government=Good, or something.

I really think from the video, it was a negligent death.. Obviously the cops didn't mean to kill him, but they killed him nonetheless. I don't believe the police officer should be prosecuted, but I do believe the Garner family will own half of New York this time next year.

[AuH20]

Yeah, that was probably it huh? I mean if it was me or you choking someone to death on videotape, we wouldn't get indicted either right? Copsucker.

I don't think you understand the way a jury trial works. You must convince 12 of 23 jurors that the officer in question was guilty of the said charges. Now if you try to go for murder 2, you're probably not going to convince them. A charge of involuntary manslaughter would be easier to compel others.

[jmdrake]

I really think from the video, it was a negligent death.. Obviously the cops didn't mean to kill him, but they killed him nonetheless. I don't believe the police officer should be prosecuted, but I do believe the Garner family will own half of New York this time next year.

The correct charge for the choking officer.

Search N.Y. PEN. LAW § 125.10 : NY Code - Section 125.10: Criminally negligent homicide
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A person is guilty of criminally negligent homicide when, with criminal negligence, he causes the death of another person. Criminally negligent homicide is a class E felony.

- See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/H/125/125.10#sthash.m9CyAD1D.dpuf

And the definition of criminal negligence under New York law.
. "Criminal negligence." A person acts with criminal negligence with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation. -

See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/ONE/B/15/15.05#sthash.txX60iMM.dpuf

If this was a negligent death, and it was, then the cop should have been charged with negligent homicide.

[Demigod]

American "conservatives" are a joke.On one side crying their lungs out against socialism and on the other demanding total obedience to the state.The only difference between the democrats and republicans is that the first want a more civil international socialism ( a welfare state ) and the later want a militaristic socialism with a side dish of a theocracy. The worst part is not that this is what the establishment represent this is what the base is and they are just crying against the establishment because it is a watered down mix of both their principles.

I would understand having doubts but there is a video here,they killed him.You can not claim resisting arrest while falsely accusing someone.People tend not to want to spend their entire day in a police station just because the cop thought they should.He made no aggressive physical contact what so ever.Even with all that put aside those cops don't even have any human decency to harass someone over so trivial.

[Occam's Banana]

I don't think you understand the way a jury trial works. You must convince 12 of 23 jurors that the officer in question was guilty of the said charges.

1. This was not a jury trial. This was a grand jury.
2. Trying to "convince [grand] jurors that the officer in question was guilty of [anything]" is utterly irrelevant. Grand juries do not decide on matters of guilt. That is not what they are for.

[JK/SEA]

I don't think you understand the way a jury trial works. You must convince 12 of 23 jurors that the officer in question was guilty of the said charges. Now if you try to go for murder 2, you're probably not going to convince them. A charge of involuntary manslaughter would be easier to compel others.

grand jury's are a joke. NO JUDGE. They're not really 'trials', and those people aren't really jurors from a list of your peers, they are hand selected copsuckers, either friends of cops, cops, or friends of cops, or cops.

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[ghengis86]

I don't think you understand the way a jury trial works. You must convince 12 of 23 jurors that the officer in question was guilty of the said charges. Now if you try to go for murder 2, you're probably not going to convince them. A charge of involuntary manslaughter would be easier to compel others.

I don't think you understand how a grand jury works. They just have to decide if they have enough evidence to bring charges, not guilt.

Now, if the prosecutor only brought murder 1, he should be disbarred. Manslaughter or negligent homocide at the very least.

[AuH20]

grand jury's are a joke. They're not really 'trials', and those people aren't really jurors from a list of your peers, they are hand selected copsuckers, either friends of cops, cops, or friends of cops, or cops.

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.

[ghengis86]

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.

Sarc tag? I can't tell anymore; my meter has been busted as of late by other posters here

[phill4paul]

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.

Have a rep burn. For being an idiot.

[jmdrake]

I wonder what charges the prosecution went for? They could have shot for the moon and struck out, instead of going for the obvious low hanging fruit.

Prosecutors routinely charge suspects with multiple counts for that very reason. It is highly unlikely the prosecutor "shot for the moon and struck out". It's far more likely that the case was thrown on purpose as what happened with the Ferguson case. This was an indictment, not a trial. Getting an indictment is really easy....if that's what you want.

[kcchiefs6465]

On a side note:

It's incredibly rare for a Grand Jury to reject an indictment. Like 99% rare.



source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

This makes 2 Grand Juries NOT indicting 2 cops in the past 2 weeks. If you know a cop, tell him/her to buy a lottery ticket. They are beating the odds!
If those figures are accurate (and I don't particularly doubt that they are), they are referring simply to federal prosecutions. No bills aren't particularly rare for grand jury indictments. Certainly the police are no billed at a greater rate than the public in general though.

[AuH20]

Have a rep burn. For being an idiot.

This is a lowly cop of lesser blood. This isn't Jon Corzine. You think a prosecution team is going to potentially risk their careers by rigging a high profile case of this nature with the defense? It's not like the entire metro area isn't watching.

[jmdrake]

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_super/13/135463/1872138-not_sure_if_trolling_or_just_really_stupid.jpg

[phill4paul]

Prosecutors routinely charge suspects with multiple counts for that very reason. It is highly unlikely the prosecutor "shot for the moon and struck out". It's far more likely that the case was thrown on purpose as what happened with the Ferguson case. This was an indictment, not a trial. Getting an indictment is really easy....if that's what you want.

Outta rep.

[phill4paul]

This is a lowly cop of lesser blood. This isn't Jon Corzine. You think a prosecution team is going to potentially risk their careers by rigging a high profile case of this nature with the defense? It's not like the entire metro area isn't watching.

What particular caste of citizens bring prosecutors their daily bread? When you indict 99% of the time by throwing in the kitchen sink on possible charges you can afford 1% as a "good will" gesture to those that buy your cars and gain you political power. Throwing 1% hardly endangers their careers.

[jmdrake]

This is a lowly cop of lesser blood. This isn't Jon Corzine. You think a prosecution team is going to potentially risk their careers by rigging a high profile case of this nature with the defense? It's not like the entire metro area isn't watching.

A) Cops and prosecutors know each other on a first name basis. I know this because I have seen it in court.

B) Prosecutors are loathe to believe their cop buddies have done anything wrong. I know this because I have seen it in court.

C) After Ferguson it is painfully obvious to prosecutors that even if they throw an indictment on purpose they have people like you to back them up.

[twomp]

This is a lowly cop of lesser blood. This isn't Jon Corzine. You think a prosecution team is going to potentially risk their careers by rigging a high profile case of this nature with the defense? It's not like the entire metro area isn't watching.

You keep defending the State with your lame excuses. This killing by cop won't lead to a riot. Maybe the next few won't either but eventually there will be a straw that breaks the camel's back and there will be hell to pay in the streets. I fully expect you to come back and scratch your head with that dumb look on your face wondering "geee, shucks, I wonder why all these colored folks are all pissed?"

Incidents like these will continue to happen unless the cops are held responsible which is something you seem to keep missing. No mundane can do what this cop did on video and NOT EVEN GET INDICTED! No trial. Nothing! How much more of this could your community take?

[moostraks]

A) Cops and prosecutors know each other on a first name basis. I know this because I have seen it in court.

B) Prosecutors are loathe to believe their cop buddies have done anything wrong. I know this because I have seen it in court.

C) After Ferguson it is painfully obvious to prosecutors that even if they throw an indictment on purpose they have people like you to back them up.

All of the above is absolutely spot on, I have seen it as well. CPS works the same way in family courts. The system is a joke. A bad joke that destroys the lives of the average person and makes a special class of folks exceedingly rich or well protected to act like thugs (and sometimes, ok often, both).

Highlighted number 3 because AuH20 needs to see that one in bold print. As long as we have sycophants such as him we will have killer officers that get to do as they please and suffer no consequences for the lives they destroy.

[dillo]

On a side note:

It's incredibly rare for a Grand Jury to reject an indictment. Like 99% rare.



source: http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

This makes 2 Grand Juries NOT indicting 2 cops in the past 2 weeks. If you know a cop, tell him/her to buy a lottery ticket. They are beating the odds!

those were stats for Federal grand juries IIRC, completely different from State grand juries

[JK/SEA]

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.


well, sadly amigo, thats not how it works, because you and i would never know...sooo assuming is prudent in this case.

[Occam's Banana]

You do realize that the prosecution would prohibit this from happening? They are not going to sit idly by and let their case be circumvented by favoritism.

:rolleyes: Circumvented by whom? Prosecutors exercise total control over the grand jury process.

There are no judges or defense attorneys involved who can cry "foul" ...


This is a lowly cop of lesser blood. This isn't Jon Corzine. You think a prosecution team is going to potentially risk their careers by rigging a high profile case of this nature with the defense? It's not like the entire metro area isn't watching.

The prosecution team isn't risking a damn thing.
Prosecutors have complete discretion over what does and does not get presented to grand juries.
IOW: Prosecutors routinely engage in what you refer to as "rigging a ... case" - and they do so with full impunity.

(One of the prosecutors in the Wilson case even got away with citing an old Missouri state law that had long since been overturned by the US Supreme Court.)

[twomp]

The cops are held a higher standards than the mundanes.


Cases involving police shootings, however, appear to be an exception. As my colleague Reuben Fischer-Baum has written, we don’t have good data on officer-involved killings. But newspaper accounts suggest, grand juries frequently decline to indict law-enforcement officials. A recent Houston Chronicle investigation found that “police have been nearly immune from criminal charges in shootings” in Houston and other large cities in recent years. In Harris County, Texas, for example, grand juries haven’t indicted a Houston police officer since 2004; in Dallas, grand juries reviewed 81 shootings between 2008 and 2012 and returned just one indictment. Separate research by Bowling Green State University criminologist Philip Stinson has found that officers are rarely charged in on-duty killings, although it didn’t look at grand jury indictments specifically.

same article:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

[vita3]

Justice was hijacked, again in NYC tonite. Sad

[phill4paul]

(One of the prosecutors in the Wilson case even got away with citing an old Missouri state law that had long since been overturned by the US Supreme Court.)

Just don't worry about that.

[phill4paul]

those were stats for Federal grand juries IIRC, completely different from State grand juries

Care to give a summation of percentages by State grand Juries. Waiting.

[Antischism]

No words. Been at the protest here. I can't even say I'm surprised by the outcome.

[Suzanimal]

NYPD cop who choked Eric Garner wasn’t indicted — but man who recorded the incident was


While a Staten Island grand jury decided on Wednesday not to indict the New York City police officer involved in the death of Eric Garner, prosecutors were able to secure an indictment against the man who filmed the fatal encounter.

As the Staten Island Advance reported, 22-year-old Ramsey Orta was indicted this past August, 13 days after being arrested and charged with charged with felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.

Authorities argued that Orta stuffed an unloaded gun inside 17-year-old Alba Lekaj’s waistband outside a hotel. But Orta has said that the charges against him were trumped up as retaliation for filming Garner being grabbed from behind by Officer Daniel Pantaleo. The city’s medical examiner determined that Garner’s death was a “homicide by chokehold.”


“When they searched me, they didn’t find nothing on me,” Orta said to the Advance regarding his arrest. “And the same cop that searched me, he told me clearly himself, that karma’s a b*tch, what goes around comes around,” Orta said, adding later, “I had nothing to do with this. I would be stupid to walk around with a gun after me being in the spotlight.”

Orta had two other cases against him pending at the time of his indictment, including charges of robbery and hitting a man who was collecting bottles outside his home.

Just before Orta’s indictment, his wife, 30-year-old Chrissie Ortiz, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly attacking another woman. Ortiz had also called the charges against him “total B.S.”

“It’s obvious what they’re doing: they’re trying to shut him up,” Ortiz said at the time of her husband’s indictment. “They’re trying to keep him away. They’re trying to find anything to crucify him. They’re bringing up his past, when they should be bringing up the officer’s past, who committed this murder.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/nypd-cop-who-choked-eric-garner-wasnt-indicted-but-man-who-recorded-the-incident-was/comments/#disqus

[twomp]

NYPD cop who choked Eric Garner wasn’t indicted — but man who recorded the incident was

Moral of the story: Don't go up against the State. And in before, AUH20 comes in claiming the guy is guilty, trial not needed based on cop's word.

[cindy25]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.

[kcchiefs6465]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.
They kill white people quite often.

[ghengis86]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.

Kelly Thomas was black? And that West Point grad gunned down at WalMart; I think he was black too, no?

Oh wait, they're killing everybody. White people seem even less disposed to protesting when compared to other races.

But again, they're ALREADY killing everybody, from every race, any color, fuck, any SPECIES!!

[evilfunnystuff]

damn...whats up with tobacco products these days?......this shit is getting people murdered.

on a side note....my understanding is he did it to himself, but i'll wait for the DFF opinion first.

do you have any idea what a pack of smokes costs in NYC?

[Occam's Banana]

And here it is! The pièce de résistance!

Despite the horrible crime Eric Garner committed public service Eric Garner provided by making untaxed cigarettes available to the market, they still couldn't carry off a narrative wherein Garner can be dismissed as of some kind of thuggish goon. So they just shift the context to the guy who recorded the homicide.

It's a three-fer! One, the cop does NOT get indicted - two, the guy who is most responsible for putting cops in the hot seat DOES get indicted - and three, any speculation about whether this might be a revenge-inspired frame-up can now be dismissed as "sour grapes" on behalf of a robber and a goon.

No matter how you slice it, it's another thrilling victory for the Just Us System ...


NYPD cop who choked Eric Garner wasn’t indicted — but man who recorded the incident was

While a Staten Island grand jury decided on Wednesday not to indict the New York City police officer involved in the death of Eric Garner, prosecutors were able to secure an indictment against the man who filmed the fatal encounter.

As the Staten Island Advance reported, 22-year-old Ramsey Orta was indicted this past August, 13 days after being arrested and charged with charged with felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.

Authorities argued that Orta stuffed an unloaded gun inside 17-year-old Alba Lekaj’s waistband outside a hotel. But Orta has said that the charges against him were trumped up as retaliation for filming Garner being grabbed from behind by Officer Daniel Pantaleo. The city’s medical examiner determined that Garner’s death was a “homicide by chokehold.”

“When they searched me, they didn’t find nothing on me,” Orta said to the Advance regarding his arrest. “And the same cop that searched me, he told me clearly himself, that karma’s a b*tch, what goes around comes around,” Orta said, adding later, “I had nothing to do with this. I would be stupid to walk around with a gun after me being in the spotlight.”

Orta had two other cases against him pending at the time of his indictment, including charges of robbery and hitting a man who was collecting bottles outside his home.

Just before Orta’s indictment, his wife, 30-year-old Chrissie Ortiz, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly attacking another woman. Ortiz had also called the charges against him “total B.S.”

“It’s obvious what they’re doing: they’re trying to shut him up,” Ortiz said at the time of her husband’s indictment. “They’re trying to keep him away. They’re trying to find anything to crucify him. They’re bringing up his past, when they should be bringing up the officer’s past, who committed this murder.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/n...mments/#disqus (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/nypd-cop-who-choked-eric-garner-wasnt-indicted-but-man-who-recorded-the-incident-was/comments/#disqus)

[satchelmcqueen]

well at least the government protected their share of money lost, if this guy was selling...holding.

well worth someones life. (sarc)

[JK/SEA]

Cop kills.
Cop faces Grand Jury.
Grand Jury is led by elected Prosecutor.
Prosecutor wants to get re-elected.
Prosecutor gives passes on cops in Grand Jury.
Prosecutor needs cops to 'play ball' on cases or he won't get re-elected .



wash, rinse, repeat....


quid pro quo.

[phill4paul]

Cop kills.
Cop faces Grand Jury.
Grand Jury is led by elected Prosecutor.
Prosecutor wants to get re-elected.
Prosecutor gives passes on cops in Grand Jury.
Prosecutor needs cops to 'play ball' on cases or he won't get re-elected .



wash, rinse, repeat....


quid pro quo.

^^^ That right there. ^^^That, Is the truth.

[philipped]

Young black male checking in on this thread to let you all know.......I don't feel any safer in my own city, county, state and country now due to these recent actions. The police state harms all and mainstream media is partially assisting in pushing the narrative that it's only black people this really effects. All I can say is everyone with a clear head please remember to look past race and remember an ever growing and expansive state is the REAL REASON these issues exist.

[Pericles]

This is one of those cases where there needs to be an indictment and let the trial commence. It is on video ....

[Root]

Cop kills.
Cop faces Grand Jury.
Grand Jury is led by elected Prosecutor.
Prosecutor wants to get re-elected.
Prosecutor gives passes on cops in Grand Jury.
Prosecutor needs cops to 'play ball' on cases or he won't get re-elected .



wash, rinse, repeat....


quid pro quo.
"Just-us"

[phill4paul]

Young black male checking in on this thread to let you all know.......I don't feel any safer in my own city, county, state and country now due to these recent actions. The police state harms all and mainstream media is partially assisting in pushing the narrative that it's only black people this really effects. All I can say is everyone with a clear head please remember to look past race and remember an ever growing and expansive state is the REAL REASON these issues exist.

It's not about race. It's about state sanctioned thugs w/ guns. They beat, rape, torture and murder with impunity. Impunity. This is not about white vs. black. Or black vs. black. This is about Blue on everyone. Blue works for the state. They are paid by the state. They are handed petty tyranny by the state and as such enforce the "laws" of the state to such extent that they, and their need for petty tyranny, deem fit. And in so doing they are exonerated by the state.
It's not white vs black or black vs. white. It's Blue vs. US. Self proclaimed authority over sovereign individuals.

[cindy25]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.

[phill4paul]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.

Start to kill whites?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Kelly-Thomas-Police-Beating.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/12/article-2085628-0F6E543E00000578-562_634x528.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

How often do grand juries indict police officers? Almost never.
How often do grand juries indict non-police officers? Almost always.

How often do grand juries indict police officers? Almost never.
How often do grand juries indict non-police officers? Almost always.

How often do grand juries indict police officers? Almost never.
How often do grand juries indict non-police officers? Almost always.

[Anti Federalist]

It's not about race. It's about state sanctioned thugs w/ guns. They beat, rape, torture and murder with impunity.

Impunity.

This is not about white vs. black. Or black vs. black.

This is about Blue on everyone.

Blue works for the state. They are paid by the state.

They are handed petty tyranny by the state and as such enforce the "laws" of the state to such extent that they, and their need for petty tyranny, deem fit.

And in so doing they are exonerated by the state.

It's not white vs black or black vs. white.

It's Blue vs. US.

Self proclaimed authority over sovereign individuals.

And if you think it's bad now, just wait until the next major "incident" or terror attack.

[Anti Federalist]

Qualified Immunity.

Circular Force Continuum.

[CPUd]

Peter King LOL:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8AC9O6ZpHk

[phill4paul]

Qualified Immunity.

Circular Force Continuum.

More like qualified impunity.

[JK/SEA]

Peter King LOL:

and yet New Yorkies keep electing him....thanks.

[Antischism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLioUzmh-j0

So you wanna be a cop, so you wanna be on the top?
Arresting and shooting all the kids on the block
Incarcerate the youth of the next generation
And you get the high fives at the police station

So you wanna wear blue and prey on the people?
Go above the constitution where all men are equal
Beat down the poor, the working class core
You're a class trading motherfucking rich man's whore

'Cause it's a thin blue line between the love and the hate
If you so choose to cross it, you're a Nazi for the state
Your injustice will crush us, the precious the few
So you wanna be a killer for the red white and blue

You're a bitch to the crown, keep your own people down
You've got nothing to protect but you're keeping the sect
For your own damn brothers you got no respect
And the killing won't stop when you become a cop

The world's getting madder and it ain't gonna stop
It's an uphill battle all the way until we reach the top
You got an answer in your holster and no question to kill
You got a vision for society and it's your will

Even the summer sun can't make this situation light
You've got the upper hand in a war
When you take away our arms and our means to fight

So you wanna be a cop?
You never stop with your wicked guns going pop
After 41 shots you're grinning in the donut shop
Your sickening behavior regulates this society
And musters all the sickness and hatred inside of me

So you wanna wear blue? Well, you're just the type
Got an chip on your shoulder and an itch for a gripe
Standing on a raft in an ocean of blood
But you're doin' the killing and causing the flood

How can we tolerate this mad abuse of power?
You think a cop is never psycho 'till he stabs you in the shower
Choking V, Morning G, L.O.C. we never stop
And your death'll be sweet if ya wanna be a cop

They say the sea is green and the sky is blue
And that's about right because we're below you
You cop an extra attitude when you come down my block
So you wanna be a cop?

The world's getting madder and it ain't gonna stop
It's an uphill battle all the way until we reach the top
You got an answer in your holster and no question to kill
You got a vision for society and it's your will

Even the summer sun can't make this situation light
You've got the upper hand in a war
When you take away our arms and our means to fight

[Lucille]

Grand Jury Does not Indict Cop Who Murdered Eric Garner — But the Man Who Filmed It
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/12/04/grand-jury-does-not-indict-cop-who-murdered-eric-garners-but-the-man-who-filmed-it/


To illustrate how corrupt the grand jury system truly is and why lawyers for decades have said a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. That phase was actually coined by a New York State Judge by the name of Sol Wachtler. Wachtler was the former chief judge of New York state who coined that term in a January 1985 interview with the New York Daily News‘ Marcia Kramer and Frank Lombardi. The relevant portion:


In a bid to make prosecutors more accountable for their actions, Chief Judge Sol Wachtler has proposed that the state scrap the grand jury system of bringing criminal indictments.

Wachtler, who became the state’s top judge earlier this month, said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that “by and large” they could get them to “indict a ham sandwich.”

A month later, the New York Times noted that Wachtler believed grand juries “operate more often as the prosecutor’s pawn than the citizen’s shield.” That belief—that prosecutors can get grand juries to do whatever they want them to do is really universal and if this is not seriously changed, we will see massive civil unrest tear the system apart limb from limb.
[...]
If the government wants your ass it is theirs. [...]

A different Staten Island grand jury indicted Ramsey Orta, the man who filmed the entire incident in August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 confrontation in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers murdered Garner in plain view for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes. The prosecutors wanted to imprison the camera man so like Coxley, they find some other law to charge him with in retaliation for filming what the police did. The grand jury was manipulated into indicting Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers.

Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice’s waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner’s death, but the grand jury indicted Orta with a single felony count of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.

This illustrates the abuse that people are suffering at the hands of the police. When I worked in the law library, I had to review countless indictments on people. I began to see the same police names constantly coming up. There was a young black kid who looked visibly retarded. I saw the same police names charging him with possession of a gun. There were witnesses who said the police search him and found nothing. They searched him a second time and found nothing. They took him to the police van and suddenly in a third search they miraculously found a gun in his pants. I advised the kid to go to trial, not just because of the witnesses, but because of his appearance. The court appointed lawyer who never win cases to get such jobs, tried to get the kid to plead guilty as always. I encouraged him to go to trial. He won. My own count appointed lawyer then asked me how did it feel that I helped a criminal back on the street. I went to court and demanded he be removed.
[...]
Government will never reform anything until the PUBLIC forces that change. Unfortunately, this is why we will see a rise in civil unrest. There is no remorse in government because there is no check and balance. Nobody will make them comply with human rights or the law. Most of mainstream press is corporate owned businesses vulnerable to various charges as well if they do not comply with government wishes. Mainstream media have sealed their own fate for once they laid down the pen, they surrendered their rights as well. Mainstream media have sold their position of protecting the First Amendment long ago for self-preservation. There is nobody watching the government and this is why it will explode in everyone’s faces...

[AuH20]

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/image1-3.jpg?w=500&h=622

[JK/SEA]

https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/image1-3.jpg?w=500&h=622

if i'm reading you right, you think our priorities are skewed with regards to Garner?....is that it?

someone want to clarify for Barry Goldwater what the differences are?...

''i haven't got time for this shit''....

[AuH20]

if i'm reading you right, you think our priorities are skewed with regards to Garner?....is that it?

someone want to clarify for Barry Goldwater what the differences are?...

''i haven't got time for this shit''....

Uh. Wow. That went completely over your head. We have the police feverishly patrolling the streets for illegal cigarette sales while some fat cat who deliberately misappropriated $1.6 billion in client funds, walked away scott free.

[juleswin]

In an unrelated news, the Sir Charles Barkley doesn't thing Eric Garner's death was a homicide. Before you mundanes continue to yap about police brutality and collusion in the justice departments, just know that Charles Barkley is black and he thinks no homicide and did I mention that he is black? so stop and realize we are all copsuckers now :)


Charles Barkley continued to speak out about race relations and police in America in an interview with CNN that aired on Wednesday, saying that he didn’t think the New York City police officers involved in the death of Eric Garner should be indicted.

Garner, who was suspected of selling cigarettes illegally, died after an officer put him in an illegal chokehold while attempting to arrest him in July. The incident, which was caught on videotape, sparked national outrage.

“I don’t think that was a homicide. I think the cops were trying to arrest him and they got a little aggressive,” Barkley told CNN’s Brooke Baldwin. “I think excessive force — something like that — but to go right to murder?”

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/charles-barkley-eric-garner

[Valli6]

https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/8c282c6d4e6e8a3b030e49ca8dc15155942174c19a102579d9 425500b9ae5812_thumb_medium

Think anyone will be discussing the role of Department Chief Philip Banks?

The highly paid, black Chief of Department, Philip Banks is the man who ordered the investigations and arrests for the “crime” of selling loose cigarettes in Eric Garner's neighborhood.

August 7, 2014:

Chief of Department Philip Banks — the highest-ranking uniformed cop in the city — sent a sergeant from his office at 1 Police Plaza in July to investigate complaints of untaxed cigarettes being sold in the Tompkinsville neighborhood, a source close to the investigation told The News.

“(Banks) set the whole thing in motion,” the source said.

The sale of loosies had been on Banks’ radar since at least March, when it was discussed at a meeting at Police Headquarters about quality-of-life issues, a police source said.

Banks’ office also conducted surveillance on Bay St. and took pictures, one of which shows three men believed to be involved in an illegal cigarette sale...

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/wife-man-filmed-chokehold-arrested-article-1.1893790#TAmKBCYxCMJTW9p3.97


Interestingly, it appears someone at the department (Commissioner Bill Bratton?), was concerned about Banks over-zealousnesness and attempted to “promote” him into a less active role. Banks accepted the position, but decided to resign 4 days later because it didn’t give him more power.

October 31, 2014:

Chief of Department Philip Banks, in a Friday morning stunner, abruptly retired rather than become the NYPD’s second-in-command — with a reduced crime-fighting role…

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-chief-department-philip-banks-resigns-sources-article-1.1994283

November 6, 2014:

Chief Philip Banks exit from NYPD has black cops worried about 'place at the table,' says precinct boss'

...Banks abruptly retired a week ago, telling Commissioner Bill Bratton that the first deputy commissioner post he accepted four days earlier was not for him. Sources said Banks wanted more power and considered the first deputy gig a less desirable post than his role as chief of department.

(Deputy Inspector Steven) Griffith agreed with Banks’ assessment.
“It seems like a promotion, but if there’s no teeth behind it, is it really a promotion if you’re not playing a part in the day-to-day (operations) and just sitting there as an ornament or a figurehead?” Griffith asked. “You’re told to work hard and be patient and you’ll have contributions. We want those contributions to be real.”

Griffith called it “heartbreaking” that no one is defending Banks.
“I have a 5-year-old son and he’s going to ask me, ‘What did you do?’ and I’m going to say, ‘I was a cop.’ And he's going to say, ‘No, what did you do?’ And I want to be able to tell him I stood for something.”…

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/banks-exit-nypd-black-cops-worried-precinct-boss-article-1.2002390

[AuH20]

This is a real kneeslapper. Hardy har har!!

http://www.infowars.com/leftists-cop-who-killed-eric-garner-walks-free-due-to-white-privilege/

[JK/SEA]

Uh. Wow. That went completely over your head. We have the police feverishly patrolling the streets for illegal cigarette sales while some fat cat who deliberately misappropriated $1.6 billion in client funds, walked away scott free.

interesting.

Garner killed for cigs

fat cat walks from 'alleged' improprieties with millions in the mix...

let me chew on this for awhile. Maybe i'll figure this one out someday, or figure out what the hell your post even means in this context...

[PRB]

http://i.imgur.com/sdJs3yP.jpg

[GunnyFreedom]

In an unrelated news, the Sir Charles Barkley doesn't thing Eric Garner's death was a homicide. Before you mundanes continue to yap about police brutality and collusion in the justice departments, just know that Charles Barkley is black and he thinks no homicide and did I mention that he is black? so stop and realize we are all copsuckers now :)


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/charles-barkley-eric-garner

Barkley is just trying to calm folks down by carving out the middles of both event. It's a bit misguided, but it actually makes me like him more for trying.

[AuH20]

http://7online.com/news/garner-protests-peaceful-83-arrested;-sharpton-plans-dc-march/418889/



STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. (WABC) -- A judge on Thursday granted Staten Island District Attorney Dan Donovan's request to allow the release of limited grand jury material in the Eric Garner case.

The information released does not include any evidence presented, only the following:

--Jurors sat for nine weeks
--Testimony was heard from 50 witnesses
--Those witnesses included 22 civilians and 28 cops, EMTs or doctors
--There were 60 exhibits, including videos, records and photos
--The grand jury was instructed in law regarding physical use of force

Only the information Donovan asked for permission to release is contained in the report. The request "does not seek the release of transcripts of grand jury testimony or exhibits."



Donovan said the grand jury found "no reasonable cause" to bring charges, but he gave no details on how the panel arrived at its decision. The grand jury could have considered a range of charges, from reckless endangerment to murder.

In order to find Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine Pantaleo knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died. Pataleo's lawyer and union officials argued that the grand jury got it right, saying he used an authorized takedown move - not a banned chokehold - and that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

[GunnyFreedom]

This is a real kneeslapper. Hardy har har!!

http://www.infowars.com/leftists-cop-who-killed-eric-garner-walks-free-due-to-white-privilege/

These fascist marxists will be the death of us all. FM's and their BSM. Division, hate, turn everyone into little tiny groups of enemies of one another. I'm waiting for the arm bands and symbols

[AuH20]

In an unrelated news, the Sir Charles Barkley doesn't thing Eric Garner's death was a homicide. Before you mundanes continue to yap about police brutality and collusion in the justice departments, just know that Charles Barkley is black and he thinks no homicide and did I mention that he is black? so stop and realize we are all copsuckers now :)


http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/charles-barkley-eric-garner

Based on the clear understanding of the word 'homicide', Barkley is correct in his assessment.

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://7online.com/news/garner-protests-peaceful-83-arrested;-sharpton-plans-dc-march/418889/

What I found interesting was the juxtaposition of how the GJ found no reasonable cause against the police, but did find reasonable cause against the guy filming them. Was this the same empaneled jury?

[GunnyFreedom]

Based on the clear understanding of the word 'homicide', Barkley is correct in his assessment.

hom·i·cide
ˈhäməˌsīd/Submit
nounNORTH AMERICAN
the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Since when? Has the language changed on me? I know I'm old, but...

[RPfan1992]

" New York Police Union Chief Praises Grand Jury in Eric Garner Case "The head of the New York police union said Thursday that a grand jury made the right call when it declined to indict an officer in the chokehold death of Eric Garner, an unarmed man, in July.

"We feel badly that there was a loss of life," said Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association. "But unfortunately Mr. Garner made a choice that day to resist arrest."



He praised the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, as a good man, a mature policeman and an Eagle Scout who "went out and did a difficult job, a job where there's no script, and sometimes with that there's tragedy that comes."

"It's also a tragedy for this police officer who has to live with that death," Lynch said.

He also praised New York police for their handling of protests on Wednesday night, when thousands who objected to the decision took to the streets. Lynch lashed out at Mayor Bill de Blasio, who said on Wednesday that the grand jury's decision not to bring charges was "one that many in our city did not want."

He suggested that the mayor was teaching children to fear police officers, and he said the lesson instead should be to comply with police officers, even if they feel an arrest is unjust.

"You cannot resist arrest," Lynch said. "Because resisting arrest leads to confrontation. Confrontation leads to tragedy."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-police-union-chief-praises-grand-jury-eric-garner-n261586

[libertygrl]

The Police Are Still Out Of Control. I Should Know - By Frank Serpico

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VIDDlxxmxgs

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/10/24/141024_serpico_poster_gty.jpg

[CaptainAmerica]

Cops are thugs. Im done hearing apologies. Anyone willing to enlist and put a uniform on claiming they are doing a good thing is just lying to themselves and their communities around them. At this point in time, changing laws will save more lives than walking around patrolling with a gun and badge, patroling streets etc.. ticketing. Im fucking fed up

[PRB]

Since when? Has the language changed on me? I know I'm old, but...

Colloquial use of homicide and suicide both involve intention. Legally speaking, murder requires intention.

[AuH20]

Cops are thugs. Im done hearing apologies. Anyone willing to enlist and put a uniform on claiming they are doing a good thing is just lying to themselves and their communities around them. At this point in time, changing laws will save more lives than walking around patrolling with a gun and badge, patroling streets etc.. ticketing. Im fucking fed up

Society is just as depraved and darkhearted as the police have become. That's what many forget when they're analyzing this phenomenon. Our criminals and police are being molded from the same pool of people. 'To fight more sinister criminals, we need more ruthless cops' or so they say. This is not an encouraging trend going forward.

[GunnyFreedom]

well for the love of goodness, in fact the language has changed on me. WTH?

Do a google search on homicide and what Au posted is what you get (I saw no reference to WHICH dictionary it was using...)


but...

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/homicide-definition.html
"To begin with, not all homicides are crimes. Homicides include all killings of humans. Many homicides, such as murder and manslaughter, violate criminal laws. Others, such as a killing committed in justified self-defense, are not criminal. Illegal killings range from..."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide
"Homicide
The killing of one human being by another human being.
Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable..."

There is no 'intent' to homicide. There never has been. WTF is happening now? A word is changing right in front of me, and it's the legal definition that is remaining stable?

Homicide means "any killing of one human by another." it is "a man killing a man." It may be entirely accidental, but if one human by direct action kills another human, then the dead human is the victim of a homicide. Intent notwithstanding. Google notwithstanding. F-U google for joining in 'the Agenda.'

[AuH20]

Colloquial use of homicide and suicide both involve intention. Legally speaking, murder requires intention.

Yup.

[GunnyFreedom]

guaran-slamtee you no dictionary in my youth would attach intent to homicide. That's some society-programming BS right there. Coroner pronounces "homicide" and half the people think intent. WTF this is pissing me off.

[PRB]

Yup.

come to think of it, legally speaking all crimes with exception of strict liability or negligence crimes, require proof of intention.

[GunnyFreedom]

come to think of it, legally speaking all crimes with exception of strict liability or negligence crimes, require proof of intention.

mens rea

[PRB]

mens rea

that is correct. so when somebody talks definitions, make sure you ask him if he's talking legally or informally.

[staerker]

Colloquial use of homicide and suicide both involve intention. Legally speaking, murder requires intention.

Yes sir, I know I used a lethal technique, but I didn't mean for it to be lethal.

[libertygrl]

This may have something to do with it:

However, no country in the world has a closer cooperation with Israeli police forces than the US. Just a sampling of US cities and institutions that have trained or are training in Israeli methods are Alameda County; Atlanta; Boston; Cambridge, MA; Commerce, GA; Detroit; Duxbury, MA; Georgia Tech University; Knoxville, TN; Los Angeles: the Maryland Department of Transportation; Miami; New York City; Pembroke Pines, FL; San Francisco; San Mateo; Santa Clara; Seattle; Stamford, CT; Sterling Heights, MI; and Suffolk County, NY. Low-level bilateral relationships between city police, sheriff’s departments and other agencies of order in the US are reinforced by arrangements put in place by high-level officials like the memorandum of understanding signed by former Minister Dichter and former US Director of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff in 2007. A statement put out prior to the agreement and quoted by The Jerusalem Post stated “that there exists a vital need to promote operational, scientific and technological cooperation between the parties in the field of homeland security.”

http://electronicintifada.net/content/israels-export-occupation-police-tactics/8485


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOr5dIuQjPg

[GunnyFreedom]

I am also strictly horrified that I cannot find any historic dictionaries online younger than 1913; however I have only been searching for so long.

http://1913.mshaffer.com/d/search/_words.word,homicide


Homicide

Homicide (homicide)
n. (?)
Hom"i*cide
[F., fr. L. homicidium, fr. homicida a man slayer; **** man + caedere to cut, kill. See Homage, and cf. Concise, Shed, v. t.]
The killing of one human being by another.
* Homicide is of three kinds: justifiable, as when the killing is performed in the exercise of a right or performance of a duty; excusable, as when done, although not as duty or right, yet without culpable or criminal intent; and felonious, or involving what the law terms malice; the latter may be either manslaughter or murder. Bouvier.

One who kills another; a manslayer.
Chaucer. Shak.


The dictionary's 1913 edition of the 1900 International, renamed Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, has in modern times been used in various free online resources, as its copyright lapsed and it became public domain.

This intent thing is new. I knew I wasn't imagining it. Wow. Next time I look in the mirror I'm going to feel about 20 years older lol.

[AuH20]

I am also strictly horrified that I cannot find any historic dictionaries online younger than 1913; however I have only been searching for so long.

http://1913.mshaffer.com/d/search/_words.word,homicide



The dictionary's 1913 edition of the 1900 International, renamed Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, has in modern times been used in various free online resources, as its copyright lapsed and it became public domain.

This intent thing is new. I knew I wasn't imagining it. Wow. Next time I look in the mirror I'm going to feel about 20 years older lol.

It's a lawyer's world nowadays......sadly.

[GunnyFreedom]

that is correct. so when somebody talks definitions, make sure you ask him if he's talking legally or informally.

but but but when I grew up it meant the same thing informally. I still say they done it on purpose, and I'm mad.

[PRB]

Yes sir, I know I used a lethal technique, but I didn't mean for it to be lethal.

Is shooting a person a lethal technique that you should always know results in death?

[acesfull]

Again... if a 'civilian' choked to death someone on the street on tape, it'd be the jail time. If a mundane choked a COP to death?? Summary execution....

+1 this says it all.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://glenbradley.net/imghost/keanulegalese.jpg

[juleswin]

Barkley is just trying to calm folks down by carving out the middles of both event. It's a bit misguided, but it actually makes me like him more for trying.

I am not exactly sure what he is trying to do, but I have to say that the man doesn't understand how the law works. He is trying to out copsuck AuH2O. The man really thinks that because someone had no intention to kill that means charges shouldn't be brought against said person. This is the type of prosecutor I would love to have in the event I accidentally kills some poor citizen when driving recklessly. I will say, but Judge, I did not intent to kill him. So can you kindly drop the vehicular manslaughter charge on me and go on with the other lesser non homicide charges. The vehicular manslaughter charge assumes that I have committed some type of homicide to the victim when I did no such thing. Cue AuH2O's definition of homicide

For people who do not know, the word homicide is french word derived from the Latin word for manslaughter (homicidium). Which means **** - man and icidium - act of killing. If you kill a man, you have committed an act of homicide. Self defense, war, murder etc etc, it makes no difference.

[AuH20]

I am not exactly sure what he is trying to do, but I have to say that the man doesn't understand how the law works. He is trying to out copsuck AuH2O. The man really thinks that because someone had no intention to kill that means charges shouldn't be brought against said person. This is the type of prosecutor I would love to have in the event I accidentally kills some poor citizen when driving recklessly. I will say, but Judge, I did not intent to kill him. So can you kindly drop the vehicular manslaughter charge on me and go on with the other lesser non homicide charges. The vehicular manslaughter charge assumes that I have committed some type of homicide to the victim when I did no such thing. Cue AuH2O's definition of homicide

For people who do not know, the word homicide is french word derived from the Latin word for manslaughter (homicidium). Which means **** - man and icidium - act of killing. If you kill a man, you have committed an act of homicide. Self defense, war, murder etc etc, it makes no difference.


Barkley made the following statement.



“I don’t think that was a homicide. I think the cops were trying to arrest him and they got a little aggressive,” Barkley told CNN’s Brooke Baldwin. “I think excessive force — something like that — but to go right to murder?”

Based on the images provided to us, do you believe that Pantaleo committed premeditated murder? And to do so would be to infer that Pantaleo had prior knowledge of Garner's existing medical condition.

BTW I can't understand why people must sensationalize these cases instead of simply leaving them for the public to objectively digest. Lets' be frank here. What happened was completely unacceptable, but I don't think we're doing anyone any favors by stretching the truth.

[juleswin]

Barkley made the following statement.



Based on the images provided to us, do you believe that Pantaleo committed premeditated murder? And to do so would be to infer that Pantaleo had prior knowledge of Garner's existing medical condition.

BTW I can't understand why people must sensationalize these cases instead of simply leaving them for the public to objectively digest.

That ladies and gentlemen is a text book way to construct a big, magnificent strawman. Nobody ever said he had to be charged with 1st degree murder? just treat him the way you treat a regular citizen who did the same thing.

But to your question, ofc I don't think he came to him that afternoon wanting to kill him. But when he decided to hold onto the choke hold after his plea for air, I think there was just enough to send the case to jury trial.

[AuH20]

That ladies and gentlemen is a text book way to construct a big, magnificent strawman. Nobody ever said he had to be charged with 1st degree murder? charge him with a manslaughter and just treat him the way you treat a regular citizen who did the same thing.

But to your question, ofc I don't think he came to him that afternoon wanting to kill him. But when he decided to hold onto the choke hold after his plea for air, I think there was just enough to send the case to jury trial.

I agree with you. And I agree with Barkley that it wasn't a homicide.

[staerker]

Is shooting a person a lethal technique that you should always know results in death?

Hmm? Yes. If it was not in self defense, our otherwise justifiable, you are guilty of murder.

Edit: it is pretty obvious that this was an assault. If you assault someone with a pencil, and kill them, you are guilty of murder.

[juleswin]

I agree with you. And I agree with Barkley that it wasn't a homicide.

But why? I think the grand jury made the wrong decision, you and Barkley think they made the right decision. Even if the charge was for 1st degree murder, I would still vote for taking the case to trial. I think I can convince a jury of his peers to convict him of something instead of letting him off scot-free

Again, homicide is not what you think it is. Look at the links gunny posted in his reply and some of the replies I have posted on the meaning of the word.

[GunnyFreedom]

But why? I think the grand jury made the wrong decision, you and Barkley think they made the right decision. Even if the charge was for 1st degree murder, I would still vote for taking the case to trial. I think I can convince a jury of his peers to convict him of something instead of letting him off scot-free

Again, homicide is not what you think it is. Look at the links gunny posted in his reply and some of the replies I have posted on the meaning of the word.

Especially in a legal sense, which is kinda what we are talking about here. In the legal sense Eric Garner was an obvious homicide. The legal sense is really the only sense that matters surrounding Eric Garner since we are speaking of grand juries and such. It's a wicked conflation that is going on here, but one that has apparently been programmed for 20-30 years or so.

[GunnyFreedom]

But why? I think the grand jury made the wrong decision, you and Barkley think they made the right decision. Even if the charge was for 1st degree murder, I would still vote for taking the case to trial. I think I can convince a jury of his peers to convict him of something instead of letting him off scot-free

Again, homicide is not what you think it is. Look at the links gunny posted in his reply and some of the replies I have posted on the meaning of the word.

I think it's obvious that the GJ made the wrong decision here. I 100% agree with Judge Napolitano that Garner's death was a blatant and obvious violation of his constitutional rights.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/12/04/judge-napolitano-grievous-wrong-not-indict-eric-garner-case


Judge Napolitano: A Grievous Wrong Not To Indict In Eric Garner Case

By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano, FOX NEWS

A grand jury chose not to indict a New York City police officer Wednesday for causing the death of New York City resident Eric Garner. There was ample evidence to indict; and the grand jury made a grievous error by not doing so. I say this not having seen the evidence before the grand jury, not having seen the medical reports, and not having heard what the District Attorney said to the grand jury.

But I have seen a videotape of the incident and it reveals probable cause to show that the police officer used grossly excessive force on a non-violent, non-threatening person. It also reveals he cried and screamed for help because by compacting his chest, his breathing was impaired. The police did nothing to save his live; yet they accelerated his death needlessly. On the basis of the tape alone, I have a clean conscience making such an assertion that an indictment was warranted. The job of a properly instructed grand jury is not to assess guilt or innocence, not to decide who was right or wrong, but solely to determine if there is enough evidence to charge a defendant in a given case.

Video and more (http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/12/04/judge-napolitano-grievous-wrong-not-indict-eric-garner-case)

[Anti Federalist]

this will only change when the police start to kill whites. and they will. they get away killing dogs, they get away killing blacks. it will happen.

No, it will stop when white people start taking to the streets as well.

[Anti Federalist]

Qualified Immunity.

Circular Force Continuum.

[phill4paul]

Lets' be frankrep here.

FTFY.

[CPUd]

They never had a brown bag for loosies.

http://i.imgur.com/GLVSZ3U.jpg

[PRB]

Hmm? Yes. If it was not in self defense, our otherwise justifiable, you are guilty of murder.

Edit: it is pretty obvious that this was an assault. If you assault someone with a pencil, and kill them, you are guilty of murder.

So you're the fascist that doesn't recognize "heat of the moment" defense and accidents. Good to know. you want people to be charged for murder even if he didnt intend to murder. yeah, this country doesn't imprison enough people we need you to low the barrier.

[PRB]

Barkley made the following statement.



Based on the images provided to us, do you believe that Pantaleo committed premeditated murder? And to do so would be to infer that Pantaleo had prior knowledge of Garner's existing medical condition.

BTW I can't understand why people must sensationalize these cases instead of simply leaving them for the public to objectively digest. Lets' be frank here. What happened was completely unacceptable, but I don't think we're doing anyone any favors by stretching the truth.

No, I think he's saying intentions don't matter.

[DFF]

Even though he had a rap sheet a mile long, unlike Trayvon Martin/Mike Brown, I actually had some sympathy for Mr. Garner.

Hearing him repeatedly say "I can't breath, I can't breath" was a little unsettling.

But this is a good example of how not to deal with being arrested; don't resist, 'cuz if you do, you could wind up dead.

[PRB]

Even though he had a rap sheet a mile long, unlike Trayvon Martin/Mike Brown, I actually had some sympathy for Mr. Garner.

Hearing him repeatedly say "I can't breath, I can't breath" was a little unsettling.

But this is a good example of how not to deal with being arrested; don't resist, 'cuz if you do, you could wind up dead.

Did Kelly Thomas resist?

[Suzanimal]

Even though he had a rap sheet a mile long, unlike Trayvon Martin/Mike Brown, I actually had some sympathy for Mr. Garner.

Hearing him repeatedly say "I can't breath, I can't breath" was a little unsettling.

But this is a good example of how not to deal with being arrested; don't resist, 'cuz if you do, you could wind up dead.



http://i.imgur.com/G8VFT1p.png

[GunnyFreedom]

I am not exactly sure what he is trying to do, but I have to say that the man doesn't understand how the law works. He is trying to out copsuck AuH2O. The man really thinks that because someone had no intention to kill that means charges shouldn't be brought against said person. This is the type of prosecutor I would love to have in the event I accidentally kills some poor citizen when driving recklessly. I will say, but Judge, I did not intent to kill him. So can you kindly drop the vehicular manslaughter charge on me and go on with the other lesser non homicide charges. The vehicular manslaughter charge assumes that I have committed some type of homicide to the victim when I did no such thing. Cue AuH2O's definition of homicide

For people who do not know, the word homicide is french word derived from the Latin word for manslaughter (homicidium). Which means **** - man and icidium - act of killing. If you kill a man, you have committed an act of homicide. Self defense, war, murder etc etc, it makes no difference.

Right, you kill a man by direct action and it is a homicide. Whether it is intentional, justifiable, or not. If I am not looking and I "accidentally back into someone's neck with a butcher knife" then I have committed a homicide. A man killing a man. That's how I understood the word growing up too. "****" human "cide" made-dead.

Even if the vernacular has of late added intent to the word homicide, the lack of intent cannot disqualify something as being a homicide when one man clearly did the act of killing, and another man died. That is a homicide. I don't know what I find more gut-wrenching, that some established dictionary has picked up the 'street' homonym (with intent) and billed it as straight English, or that it just happened over time and everybody sort of accepted it.

I mean, where was the nerdy librarian lady standing before the Oxford English commission begging them not to erode a unique word into a blatant synonym (manslaughter, is intentional homicide), but if you have to for heavens sake at least note that intent is only part of a vernacular meaning. But putting it definition 1a? That's just broken. LOL childhood dreams are dying here.

Wait! It's not the whole English language it's just those Oxford wankers.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide


ho·mi·cide noun \ˈhä-mə-ˌsīd, ˈhō-\
: the act of killing another person

Full Definition of HOMICIDE
1: a person who kills another
2: a killing of one human being by another
See homicide defined for English-language learners »
See homicide defined for kids »

Examples of HOMICIDE
The number of homicides increased last year.
He has been arrested for homicide.

Origin of HOMICIDE
in sense 1, from Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin homicida, from **** human being + -cida -cide; in sense 2, from Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin homicidium, from **** + -cidium -cide
First Known Use: 14th century

Thank heavens. The English language has not been destroyed as badly as I thought. Now everybody please go out immediately and burn any Oxford edition dictionaries that you may have in your posession... :p lmao

[PRB]

Right, you kill a man by direct action and it is a homicide. Whether it is intentional, justifiable, or not. If I am not looking and I "accidentally back into someone's neck with a butcher knife" then I have committed a homicide. A man killing a man. That's how I understood the word growing up too. "****" human "cide" made-dead.

Even if the vernacular has of late added intent to the word homicide, the lack of intent cannot disqualify something as being a homicide when one man clearly did the act of killing, and another man died. That is a homicide. I don't know what I find more gut-wrenching, that some established dictionary has picked up the 'street' homonym (with intent) and billed it as straight English, or that it just happened over time and everybody sort of accepted it.

I mean, where was the nerdy librarian lady standing before the Oxford English commission begging them not to erode a unique word into a blatant synonym (manslaughter, is intentional homicide), but if you have to for heavens sake at least note that intent is only part of a vernacular meaning. But putting it definition 1a? That's just broken. LOL childhood dreams are dying here.

Wait! It's not the whole English language it's just those Oxford wankers.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homicide



Thank heavens. The English language has not been destroyed as badly as I thought. Now everybody please go out immediately and burn any Oxford edition dictionaries that you may have in your posession... :p lmao


what about driving intoxicated?

[GunnyFreedom]

They never had a brown bag for loosies.

http://i.imgur.com/GLVSZ3U.jpg

I've never seen nor bought loosies, but I would imagine they just rip the lid off a pack and store them in the cartons. Maybe the fancy sellers have a plastic dispenser case?

[GunnyFreedom]

what about driving intoxicated?

You kill someone DUI it's vehicular homicide no matter what. You are asking why they sometimes call DUI 'manslaughter' if there was no intent? Well, I am not sure that calling DUI manslaughter is all that common and it may be regional, pretty sure the DUI aggravates the felony but it's still homicide. It's not a part of the law I have looked at all that close at though tbh. Knowing how lawmakers work, if there is a place where DUI homicides are charged as manslaughter, it was just some dumb legislator said "drunk driving is awful, I want to bump their felony up a point. Let's call it manslaughter instead of homicide." I know some kinds of homicide are 'bumped up' to murder when they don't fit the technical definition because some lawmaker decided that whatever act was heinous enough that the crime needed upgrading. The codifier will usually justify it as "shall be considered as" manslaughter, murder, what have you.

[DFF]

http://i.imgur.com/G8VFT1p.png

I saw the video. He got a little combative with them...and a little is all it takes with hyperaggressive US cops, who by default, resort to force in a nanosecond.

From my experience (I've been personally roughed up by cops several times) it's best to be as passive as possible. Say yes sir, no sir. That's it.

Let Saul Goodman sort out the details later in court.

http://www.realclear.com/assets/photos/209270_5_.jpeg

[GunnyFreedom]

No, it will stop when white people start taking to the streets as well.
http://glenbradley.net/imghost/minnesotacarlady.jpg

When a car intentionally mowed a bunch of peaceful white protestors down at a Ferguson rally in Minnesota.

Police have declined to file charges. Nobody cares. Next.

[Suzanimal]

I saw the video. He got a little combative with them...and a little is all it takes with hyperaggressive US cops, who by default, resort to force in a nanosecond.

From my experience (I've been personally roughed up by cops several times) it's best to be as passive as possible. Say yes sir, no sir. That's it.

Let Saul Goodman sort out the details later in court.

http://www.realclear.com/assets/photos/209270_5_.jpeg

FFS, he was dying. It's pretty hard to be passive when you're fighting for your life.

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh, funny thing the only videos that have 'gone big' cut the video until after he's already in the middle of the crowd, and have the gain turned way back so you can't tell the vast majority of the crowd is white. Talk about BSM fabricating a false impression.

Dude intentionally rammed a crowd of peaceful protesters in Minnesota with his car.

White protester in Minnesota in a crowd of mostly white protestors, protesting the lack of indictment of a black criminal in Ferguson gets intentionally run down by an irate white driver with a long history of DUIs, and the DA decides to leak that "no charges are being considered." Meanwhile, right-wing nuts are avalanching on facebook guffawing 'BLACK TOP' and 'run them n's over' and 'back up do it again' under the impression that it was happening in Ferguson and that the crowd was black.

Beware the BSM: they will have you cheering the rise of the machines as they rise up and kill your own people, cheering glory until the moment the machine emerges behind you and severs your medulla with a single flick.

[Anti Federalist]

FFS, he was dying. It's pretty hard to be passive when you're fighting for your life.

Don't you understand, you're supposed to comply, even if it means your own death?

[DFF]

FFS, he was dying. It's pretty hard to be passive when you're fighting for your life.

He died 4 hours later at the hospital. But earlier, right as the NYPD was attempting to arrest him, he did indeed get slightly combative. Thus why they piled on top of him.

Do not ever get aggressive with cops. Cuz' if you do, you're most likely getting your ass kicked. I'm not justifying this type of behavior, either.

I just know that exhibiting Ghandi level passivity is the best thing you can do because this makes them feel comfortable. And when they're at ease, the risk of things going horrible wrong (as was the case with Mr. Garner) minimizes.

[acesfull]

I see a large settlement in the Garner family's future...

My.02

Acesfull

[Root]

Even though he had a rap sheet a mile long, unlike Trayvon Martin/Mike Brown, I actually had some sympathy for Mr. Garner.

Hearing him repeatedly say "I can't breath, I can't breath" was a little unsettling.

But this is a good example of how not to deal with being arrested; don't resist, 'cuz if you do, you could wind up dead.

I stopped watching most police horrors after watching Kelly Thomas die. Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Daaaaaaddddd!


Did Kelly Thomas resist?
Kelly Thomas did it to him self.

[GunnyFreedom]

I am terribly curious to find out what the American version of 'seig heil' will be. I suspect it will be horribly corny, and so bad that those of us with functioning brains left will say "wtf how can they say that with a straight face?" and then what happens, is if you laugh while trying to 'seig heil' them you get shot. or reeducated.

[PRB]

I am terribly curious to find out what the American version of 'seig heil' will be. I suspect it will be horribly corny, and so bad that those of us with functioning brains left will say "wtf how can they say that with a straight face?" and then what happens, is if you laugh while trying to 'seig heil' them you get shot. or reeducated.

it's "Yes we can", duh!

[Suzanimal]

I am terribly curious to find out what the American version of 'seig heil' will be. I suspect it will be horribly corny, and so bad that those of us with functioning brains left will say "wtf how can they say that with a straight face?" and then what happens, is if you laugh while trying to 'seig heil' them you get shot. or reeducated.

'Murica!

[GunnyFreedom]

'Murica!
And then the other guy has to burp. And if either of them laughs they both have to shoot each other.

[Suzanimal]

And then the other guy has to burp. And if either of them laughs they both have to shoot each other.

:D


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

[GunnyFreedom]

it's "Yes we can", duh!

lol at this point I'm a little more worried about the next Caesar than the current one. :p

[Firestarter]

On 17 July 2014 the 6 ft 3 in, 350-pound big, black Eric Garner (I wouldn’t call this a giant) was approached by a plainclothes cop in New York, supposedly for illegally selling single cigarettes, who tells him to move away.
Garner doesn’t behave aggressive, but is obviously annoyed over being harassed over and over again by the boys in blue. He replies:

Get away [garbled] for what? Every time you see me, you want to mess with me. I'm tired of it. It stops today. Why would you...? Everyone standing here will tell you I didn't do nothing. I did not sell nothing. Because every time you see me, you want to harass me. You want to stop me [garbled] selling cigarettes. I'm minding my business, officer, I'm minding my business. Please just leave me alone. I told you the last time, please just leave me alone.

In the following video you can see the conversation. After backup arrives at about 1:20 the police attack him. Police officer Daniel Pantaleo brings Garner down by applying a chokehold (even then Garner doesn’t react aggressive in return). After Garner has been brought down his face his put on the pavements and he repeats "I can't breathe": https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/dec/04/i-cant-breathe-eric-garner-chokehold-death-video


Here’s a subsequent 7 minute video, where you can see that Garner doesn’t move; I think he is already dead. His eyelids open a few times – dead eyes. After being put on the stretcher (to bring him to the ambulance) the cops say that he’s breathing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/07/19/new-video-purports-to-show-aftermath-of-the-chokehold-that-led-to-eric-garners-death/


I’d say that Garner had good reasons to be annoyed over being harassed. He had been arrested by the NYPD more than 30 times since 1980 on trumped up charges. Numerous of these arrests had been for allegedly selling unlicensed cigarettes (is that a really great crime?).
In 2007, Garner filed a handwritten complaint in federal court accusing a cop for "digging his fingers in my rectum in the middle of the street" and also exposing and searching his penis, even when he agreed to be searched in a private location (why is the police only interested in men?).

The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide. According to the coroner Garner died due to a combination of a chokehold, compression of his chest, and poor health.
NYPD policy prohibits the use of chokeholds. On 4 December 2014 the grand jury decided not to indict Pantaleo.
Pantaleo was eventually fired on 19 August 2019, more than five years after Garner was killed.

In October 2014, Garner's family announced their intention to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the City of New York, they settled the case for $5.9-million on 13 July 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner


The man that taped the murder of Eric Garner with his cell phone – Ramsey Orta – was subsequently repeatedly harassed by the cops. He was arrested a mere 3 weeks later, because he had talked to a teenager with a gun and a small amount of weed.
In our wonderful legal system that’s clear evidence that Orta gave the gun to the teenager.

In 2016, Ramsey Orta was sentenced to 4 years in prison:
https://www.activistpost.com/2016/10/ramsey-orta-guy-filmed-eric-garners-death-sentenced-4-years-prison.html