Why Darren Wilson was right ...

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWC92xcA5Y

[XNavyNuke]

Given that everyone wants to militarize the police, I suggest that all female LEOs first go through the Marine Infantry Officer course.

XNN

[sparebulb]

If Mike Brown was ever right about anything, it was that Darren Wilson is a pussy.

Mike learned that sometimes it sucks to be right.

[surf]

Why Darren Wilson was right ... you're just joking around, right?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

you're just joking around, right?

Hell no

[jmdrake]

All this video really proves is that cops need dash cams.

[Schifference]

All this video really proves is that cops need dash cams.
Ones that work 24/7/365 not just when cops want them to.

[GunnyFreedom]

rorshach blot

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

If Mike Brown was ever right about anything, it was that Darren Wilson is a pussy.

Mike learned that sometimes it sucks to be right.

I'm 100% sure that Mike Brown would of kicked your ass ... easily.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

All this video really proves is that cops need dash cams.

no it proves that if you don't protect yourself then thugs will try to end your life. Sometimes it take a few bullets to get the point across.

[GunnyFreedom]

Everyone, on all sides, sees exactly what they want to out of this event. This is intentional.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Mike Brown was a punk, a thug and an agitator. He broke the law so guess what ... People get pissed off when you agitate them. Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ...and when you do, don't agitate people with guns. Nothing good will ever come out of it.

[jmdrake]

no it proves that if you don't protect yourself then thugs will try to end your life. Sometimes it take a few bullets to get the point across.

Okay. I will say this once. You have no evidence that what happened with Brown and Wilson has any resemblance to what you posted in your video. So you're blowing smoke. Maybe Brown initiated the violence. Maybe Wilson initiated. After the violence was initiated Brown got away. Maybe Wilson shot at Brown as Brown was running away (he didn't hit anything but that's irrelevant), maybe he didn't. We know Brown turned around. Maybe Brown was walking back with his hands up. Maybe he was running. But don't sit their and dishonestly claim you know what happened when you don't. If there had been a dash cam then you and I and everyone would have actually know what happened. End of discussion.

[jmdrake]

Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems

You sure about that? Watch this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yaeD-E_MY

[GunnyFreedom]

clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You sure about that? Watch this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6yaeD-E_MY


Kelly Thomas was a bum and a druggie, not to mention a menace to society

[orenbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtx1tYc7PxI

[GunnyFreedom]

//

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtx1tYc7PxI

damn that guy made a bad move. It looked like he was reaching in his vehicle for a gun. The cop did the right thing, he didn't wait to find out what he was pulling out of his vehicle.

[orenbus]

Kelly Thomas was a bum and a druggie, not to mention a menace to society


The constitution is not grounded on "the enormous faith of millions made for one." It stands not on the supposition that kings are the favourites of heaven; that their power is more divine than the power of the people, and unlimited but by their own will and discretion. It is not built on the doctrine that a few nobles or rich commons have a right to inherit the earth, and all the blessings and pleasures of it: and that the multitude, the million, the populace, the vulgar, the mob, the herd and the rabble, as the great always delight to call them, have no rights at all, and were made only for their use, to be robbed and butchered at their pleasure. No, it stands upon this principle, that the meanest and lowest of the people, are, by the unalterable indefeasible laws of God and nature, as well intitled to the benefit of the air to breathe, light to see, food to eat, and clothes to wear, as the nobles or the king. ~John Adams 1766

[orenbus]

damn that guy made a bad move. It looked like he was reaching in his vehicle for a gun. The cop did the right thing, he didn't wait to find out what he was pulling out of his vehicle.

lol, now I know you're a troll.

[kcchiefs6465]

damn that guy made a bad move. It looked like he was reaching in his vehicle for a gun. The cop did the right thing, he didn't wait to find out what he was pulling out of his vehicle.
You are paid through the theft of all.

Part of truly the most lawless and criminal gang to ever exist in America.

Congratulations.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Okay. I will say this once. You have no evidence that what happened with Brown and Wilson has any resemblance to what you posted in your video. So you're blowing smoke. Maybe Brown initiated the violence. Maybe Wilson initiated. After the violence was initiated Brown got away. Maybe Wilson shot at Brown as Brown was running away (he didn't hit anything but that's irrelevant), maybe he didn't. We know Brown turned around. Maybe Brown was walking back with his hands up. Maybe he was running. But don't sit their and dishonestly claim you know what happened when you don't. If there had been a dash cam then you and I and everyone would have actually know what happened. End of discussion.

We do know that he did steal from a convenient store. Like I said, dont be a punk and don't agitate people and you will be better off. When you piss people off, people with guns come around.

[jmdrake]

Kelly Thomas was a bum and a druggie, not to mention a menace to society

FrankRep? Is that you?

[GunnyFreedom]

We do know that he did steal from a convenient store. Like I said, dont be a punk and don't agitate people and you will be better off. When you piss people off, people with guns come around.

Good. Let the Marxist agenda flow through you. Good!

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[GunnyFreedom]

FrankRep? Is that you?

No, FrankRep had a much better command of English.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

lol, now I know you're a troll.

Actually no I'm not, I have friends who are police officers and there are certain protocols they follow in order to protect themselves.

The real trolls are the public who ignorantly try judge cops on what they should and shouldn't do.

The public, such as yourself, does NOT know the protocols that cops are trained to do when in certain situations to protect their lives.

You don't know, Ferguson definitely doesn't know either. Get educated and stop playing Kangaroo court by watching youtube videos. You are not a qualified judge.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Actually no I'm not, I have friends who are police officers and there are certain protocols they follow in order to protect themselves.

You should get new friends, and stop being such a bootlicking, badge-worshiping coward as well.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You are paid through the theft of all.

Part of truly the most lawless and criminal gang to ever exist in America.

Congratulations.

I'm getting paid? News to me? How much?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You should get new friends, and stop being such a bootlicking, badge-worshiping coward as well.

I dislike police as much as the next guy, but when it comes to thugs I have zero sympathy.

[GunnyFreedom]

Awwww, :(


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfuWXRZe9yA

[GunnyFreedom]

I dislike police as much as the next guy, but when it comes to thugs I have zero sympathy.
lmao

[kcchiefs6465]

I'm getting paid? News to me? How much?
An FOP card?

What are you getting paid?

Or were you simply a forgotten bathtub baby?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Good. Let the Marxist agenda flow through you. Good!



I'm a full on libertarian but nice try.

[orenbus]

Oh BTW in case anyone is interested on that video I posted above the officer was fired, arrested and is being charged with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, a felony which carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, according to a news release from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division.

http://www.wistv.com/story/26621563/dash-cam-video-released-in-trooper-involved-shooting

[GunnyFreedom]

An FOP card?

What are you getting paid?

Or were you simply a forgotten bathtub baby?

I'll bet he's got a good source on courtesy cards.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You should get new friends, and stop being such a bootlicking, badge-worshiping coward as well.

Lets see how much "bootlicking" you do when something bad happens to you ... please don't call 9/11 or the cops when it does ... you might be doing some serious badge-worshiping.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm a full on libertarian but nice try.

You are a full on libertarian, who worships at the altar of the police state, and who is apparently not bright enough to recognize that he is being made into a useful idiot by the Marxists, in the ongoing development of the police state.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You guys don't sound like Ron Paul supporters. More like Ru Paul LOL.

[GunnyFreedom]

Lets see how much "bootlicking" you do when something bad happens to you ... please don't call 9/11 or the cops when it does ... you might be doing some serious badge-worshiping.

I wouldn't call the police if my house was on fire and I was holding the arsonist at gunpoint.

[Anti Federalist]

Mike Brown was a punk, a thug and an agitator. He broke the law so guess what ... People get pissed off when you agitate them. Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ...and when you do, don't agitate people with guns. Nothing good will ever come out of it.

What law did Baby Bou Bou break?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/20/article-2729531-20A6E88F00000578-241_634x894.jpg

[jmdrake]

Okay. Gotta ask. Did you think this ambulance driver had it coming too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluItc365hU

[orenbus]

Actually no I'm not, I have friends who are police officers and there are certain protocols they follow in order to protect themselves.

The real trolls are the public who ignorantly try judge cops on what they should and shouldn't do.

The public, such as yourself, does NOT know the protocols that cops are trained to do when in certain situations to protect their lives.

You don't know, Ferguson definitely doesn't know either. Get educated and stop playing Kangaroo court by watching youtube videos. You are not a qualified judge.

Welp, in the case you responded to above with the video dashcam of the officer shooting a driver over an alleged seatbelt violation, you are 100% wrong as the officer was fired, arrested, and is being charged with a crime for that shooting.

I assert you are a troll, if not your view on the indigent and law enforcement in the U.S. sounds more akin to the movie the Purge than to anything close to reasonable societal norms, here you go this sounds like the Amerika you want us to become:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udjed10drO0

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You are a full on libertarian, who worships at the altar of the police state, and who is apparently not bright enough to recognize that he is being made into a useful idiot by the Marxists, in the ongoing development of the police state.

Actually I'm very against any police state, but keep making more and more speculations.

[Anti Federalist]

You guys don't sound like Ron Paul supporters. More like Ru Paul LOL.

- neg rep.

If Ron Paul stands for one thing above all else it is suspicion of government authority.

[GunnyFreedom]

You guys don't sound like Ron Paul supporters. More like Ru Paul LOL.

You sound like one of the constitution-hating knuckle-draggers from the fake wing of the tea party.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

I wouldn't call the police if my house was on fire and I was holding the arsonist at gunpoint.

So then what would you do?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You sound like one of the constitution-hating knuckle-draggers from the fake wing of the tea party.

Nope I'm not a fan of the tea party, I support the constitution and individual rights. But keep making ridiculous speculation.

[GunnyFreedom]

So then what would you do?

I would handle it. That's what men do, panty-waist.


Nope I'm not a fan of the tea party, I support the constitution and individual rights. But keep making ridiculous speculation.

Riight. Mr. Ru Paul. :rolleyes: Chuck that bullshit somewhere where people are buying it lol

[Anti Federalist]

Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems

What did the 12 year old daughter of Jackie Fasching do, to warrant cops dropping grenade on her in her sleep?

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/grenade-burns-sleeping-girl-as-swat-team-raids-billings-home/article_71d1f226-1474-11e2-b4b4-0019bb2963f4.html

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/missoulian.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/43/e437edc0-1474-11e2-84ea-0019bb2963f4/50782231bfe9e.preview-620.jpg

[NewRightLibertarian]

Lets see how much "bootlicking" you do when something bad happens to you ... please don't call 9/11 or the cops when it does ... you might be doing some serious badge-worshiping.

So the pigs can show up too late to prevent the crime and murder my dog and terrorize my family? No thanks. Piss on the 80-IQ piece of trash costumed lowlifes that you worship as gods.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Welp, in the case you responded to above with the video dashcam of the officer shooting a driver over an alleged seatbelt violation, you are 100% wrong as the officer was fired, arrested, and is being charged with a crime for that shooting.

I assert you are a troll, if not your view on the indigent and law enforcement in the U.S. sounds more akin to the movie the Purge than to anything close to reasonable societal norms, here you go this sounds like the Amerika you want us to become:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udjed10drO0

hmm I live and work in Hollywood, but somehow this movie has been completely off my radar. From the reviews it looks like a stinker.

[Anti Federalist]

What did 7 year old Aiyana Jones do wrong, when SWAT cops stormed the wrong house and blew her brains out?

Then the Just Us system had the nerve to lecture the mother about "crying on the witness stand" over her dead child.

http://media2.wxyz.com/photo/2014/09/30/Testimony_resumes_in_Weekley_trial_2074420002_8574 486_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/aiyana-jones-grandmother-finishes-testimony-in-trial-of-officer-joseph-weekley

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

So the pigs can show up too late to prevent the crime and murder my dog and terrorize my family? No thanks. Piss on the 80-IQ piece of trash costumed lowlifes that you worship as gods.

Ok now you are just being stupid.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

What did 7 year old Aiyana Jones do wrong, when SWAT cops stormed the wrong house and blew her brains out?

Then the Just Us system had the nerve to lecture the mother about "crying on the witness stand" over her dead child.

http://media2.wxyz.com/photo/2014/09/30/Testimony_resumes_in_Weekley_trial_2074420002_8574 486_ver1.0_640_480.jpg

http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/aiyana-jones-grandmother-finishes-testimony-in-trial-of-officer-joseph-weekley

Looks like a big mistake to me.

[Anti Federalist]

Kelly Thomas was a bum and a druggie, not to mention a menace to society

So he deserved street side death sentence?

LOL - I get it, you're trolling.

Or a cop.

[ClydeCoulter]

Looks like a big mistake to me.

But, out of 300 million people, it's not too bad, right?

Cops walk or drive right into a situation, they can run or drive right out if they get scared.

Or hey, if you don't really want give your life to protect the natural rights of others....get a different job!

[orenbus]

hmm I live and work in Hollywood, but somehow this movie has been completely off my radar. From the reviews it looks like a stinker.

As are your posts.

[Anti Federalist]

Looks like a big mistake to me.

LOL - Yah, you got me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIdbxahGSwc

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

So he deserved street side death sentence?

LOL - I get it, you're trolling.

Or a cop.

no I live in CA, we are tired of druggie bums here. They just agitate people. They are not peaceful people.

[ClydeCoulter]

no I live in CA, we are tired of druggie bums here. They just agitate people. They are not peaceful people.

Death penalty for agitation?

edit: "Just look at those disgusting people....there aught to be a death penalty for such!

[ClydeCoulter]

WTH? Just go out a kill some cops? Are you kidding? That's what you come up with?

[ClydeCoulter]

Are all of you just going to sit around and take all of these damn cops? Go out and kill some cops then pussies ... stop bootlickin' on the forums

smh

[Anti Federalist]

no I live in CA, we are tired of druggie bums here. They just agitate people. They are not peaceful people.

So he deserved a street side death sentence at the hands of cops.

[orenbus]

As for views, you seem to be VERY close minded. Go out and kill some cops if you are so pissed off.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6bk5S2_Zc

[ClydeCoulter]

@rp4p,

You're biting down on a sore tooth. But that won't change things. It still hurts.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

So he deserved a street side death sentence at the hands of cops.

If you think so

[Anti Federalist]

smh

Pay the troll no mind.

You're either being played or he's a cop.

Either way, best not to talk to him anymore about the subject.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Are all of ya'll in the flyover states? My CA views might be a little too progressive for you old timers.

[Anti Federalist]

Are all of you just going to sit around and take all of these damn cops? Go out and kill some cops then pussies ... stop bootlickin' on the forums

Go the fuck away, cop.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!

Do not respond to this guy anymore.

I smell bacon and entrapment.

[ClydeCoulter]

Are all of ya'll in the flyover states? My CA views might be a little too progressive for you old timers.

Yeah, maybe so. Here in flyover country we still believe a man is innocent until proven guilty. And that takes a bit more than a few seconds to figure out.

[GunnyFreedom]

WTH? Just go out a kill some cops? Are you kidding? That's what you come up with?

LOL Sounds like something an FBI Agent would say :p

[Christian Liberty]

Mike Brown was a punk, a thug and an agitator. He broke the law so guess what ... People get pissed off when you agitate them. Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ...and when you do, don't agitate people with guns. Nothing good will ever come out of it.

Stealing is a crime, as it should be. But even in our society, its not a capital crime and for good reason. Despite how messed up our system for handling theft is, I would say Wilson was justified IF Brown actually tried to grab his gun like Wilson claims. If. Is that true? I don't know. The fact that (according to one of my family members, this may be wrong but its a person who does recognize some problems with police) he had never fired his gun in five years on the job does seem to give credence to the idea that Wilson wasn't necessarily trigger happy. Even still, I don't know enough facts. I wish this had gone to trial despite the unlikelihood of a conviction. That said:


damn that guy made a bad move. It looked like he was reaching in his vehicle for a gun. The cop did the right thing, he didn't wait to find out what he was pulling out of his vehicle.

This is just disgusting. In a world of any sanity, if we have to have government police at all, it should at least be recognized that you are going to have to take more risks than you would if you didn't take that job. That doesn't mean you let people try to kill you, but if you tell someone to get their license, and they reach into their car, they should be able to do that without risking getting shot. This is doubly bad considering the original "crime" was a seat belt violation, which means the officer was inherently unjustified in the situation no matter what the other guy was trying to do. Even if he was reaching for a gun, that wouldn't make the officer justified, it would just mean there were two people ion the situation that were unjustified. Cops who enforce these types of victimless crime laws are aggressors, and it is THEY who are the meances to society. Not guys like Kelly Thomas.

BTW: I don't fault you for having friends that are cops. Not everyone is a libertarian, and a lot of cops think they are protecting the country. They are wrong.


Good. Let the Marxist agenda flow through you. Good!

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lol! That was good.


I dislike police as much as the next guy, but when it comes to thugs I have zero sympathy.

I don't see how you could be a cop without at least at some level being a thug. Unless you are in some kind of specialized role that may or may not exist that only deals with violent crime, at absolute best you're stealing from peaceful people, if not outright kidnapping them. I do think the guilt is mitigated a bit if the intentions are good, but that doesn't mean the guilt isn't there. Now, as for Michael Brown, he probably was a thief. Mere thievery is not enough to justify summary execution, and if I thought it was, I'd logically have to favor execution of all cops. There's no real scenario in which your argument works, because any argument you could use against Michael Brown would probably apply to Wilson as well. Do I think Wilson was unjustified? I don't know. Again, if Wilson was acting legitimately in this instance, and Brown responded by trying to kill him, that would be enough for me to say Wilson was justified. But simply saying "oh, Brown is a thug" isn't enough.

[ClydeCoulter]

Go the fuck away, cop.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!

Do not respond to this guy anymore.

I smell bacon and entrapment.


LOL Sounds like something an FBI Agent would say :p

Yeah, I smells me a rat!

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Go the fuck away, cop.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!

Do not respond to this guy anymore.

I smell bacon and entrapment.

take off the tin foil hat man. I'm no pig.

[Occam's Banana]

take off the tin foil hat man. I'm no pig.

You certainly grunt and oink like one.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Go the fuck away, cop.

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!

Do not respond to this guy anymore.

I smell bacon and entrapment.

You are probably a paid STRATFOR agent, paid to make Ron Paul fans look bad. Hate is not the answer.

[Anti Federalist]

LOL Sounds like something an FBI Agent would say :p

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4578173/nazis-marching-o.gif

[Christian Liberty]

Apparently in RP4Prez's mind, there's no middle ground between doing nothing about police abuse and "killing cops."

I don't think all cops have committed offenses worthy of death, and even if they had, its not my place to kill them.

I suspect FBI agent to.

[sparebulb]

I'm 100% sure that Mike Brown would of kicked your ass ... easily.

Maybe yours too, thus putting your gerbil in danger, nancy.

[Christian Liberty]

take off the tin foil hat man. I'm no pig.

You're a pig whether you're a cop or not. You're certainly not human. I'm fairly certain the police captain I know would not justify the killing of Kelly Thomas if he were to see the video.

You are probably a paid STRATFOR agent, paid to make Ron Paul fans look bad. Hate is not the answer.

Hating people is not the answer, but hating evil itself is perfectly justified. The INSTITUTION of "law enforcement" as it stands is evil and should be hated. We should love the men, and I'm not going to lie, I struggle with that. But none of that justifies your wicked assertion that murder is justified.

[Anti Federalist]

take off the tin foil hat man. I'm no pig.

Yeah, sure you're not, cop.

When an unknown poster with no proven history comes on here and just outright says:


Are all of you just going to sit around and take all of these damn cops? Go out and kill some cops then pussies ... stop bootlickin' on the forums

You're either a cop, trolling, or drunk.

Shove off, cop.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Stealing is a crime, as it should be. But even in our society, its not a capital crime and for good reason. Despite how messed up our system for handling theft is, I would say Wilson was justified IF Brown actually tried to grab his gun like Wilson claims. If. Is that true? I don't know. The fact that (according to one of my family members, this may be wrong but its a person who does recognize some problems with police) he had never fired his gun in five years on the job does seem to give credence to the idea that Wilson wasn't necessarily trigger happy. Even still, I don't know enough facts. I wish this had gone to trial despite the unlikelihood of a conviction. That said:



This is just disgusting. In a world of any sanity, if we have to have government police at all, it should at least be recognized that you are going to have to take more risks than you would if you didn't take that job. That doesn't mean you let people try to kill you, but if you tell someone to get their license, and they reach into their car, they should be able to do that without risking getting shot. This is doubly bad considering the original "crime" was a seat belt violation, which means the officer was inherently unjustified in the situation no matter what the other guy was trying to do. Even if he was reaching for a gun, that wouldn't make the officer justified, it would just mean there were two people ion the situation that were unjustified. Cops who enforce these types of victimless crime laws are aggressors, and it is THEY who are the meances to society. Not guys like Kelly Thomas.

BTW: I don't fault you for having friends that are cops. Not everyone is a libertarian, and a lot of cops think they are protecting the country. They are wrong.



lol! That was good.



I don't see how you could be a cop without at least at some level being a thug. Unless you are in some kind of specialized role that may or may not exist that only deals with violent crime, at absolute best you're stealing from peaceful people, if not outright kidnapping them. I do think the guilt is mitigated a bit if the intentions are good, but that doesn't mean the guilt isn't there. Now, as for Michael Brown, he probably was a thief. Mere thievery is not enough to justify summary execution, and if I thought it was, I'd logically have to favor execution of all cops. There's no real scenario in which your argument works, because any argument you could use against Michael Brown would probably apply to Wilson as well. Do I think Wilson was unjustified? I don't know. Again, if Wilson was acting legitimately in this instance, and Brown responded by trying to kill him, that would be enough for me to say Wilson was justified. But simply saying "oh, Brown is a thug" isn't enough.

While I enjoy your responses, they are the best on here so far I have to mention, you are missing the point. The point is, yes cops suck and they are fascists, but don't give them a reason to be fascist pigs ... Don't steal. Get a job, and take responsibility for your actions. Be proactive.

[ClydeCoulter]

While I enjoy your responses, they are the best on here so far I have to mention, you are missing the point. The point is, yes cops suck and they are fascists, but don't give them a reason to be fascist pigs ... Don't steal. Get a job, and take responsibility for your actions. Be proactive.

I see, they did it to themselves?

[juleswin]

But, out of 300 million people, it's not too bad, right?

Cops walk or drive right into a situation, they can run or drive right out if they get scared.

Or hey, if you don't really want give your life to protect the natural rights of others....get a different job!

You make a good point. In the past, being a police officer required that one have some level of bravery above the average citizen, now it seems like they are allowing the fidgety, trigger finger, scary cat types into the force. I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You're a pig whether you're a cop or not. You're certainly not human. I'm fairly certain the police captain I know would not justify the killing of Kelly Thomas if he were to see the video.


Hating people is not the answer, but hating evil itself is perfectly justified. The INSTITUTION of "law enforcement" as it stands is evil and should be hated. We should love the men, and I'm not going to lie, I struggle with that. But none of that justifies your wicked assertion that murder is justified.

Nobody ever said that Kelly Thomas Kelly should of been killed, man you guys are REALLY bad at jumping to conclusions.

I'm saying that bad circumstances lead to bad situations. A guy strung out on drugs agitating people is a bad situation that will only end up with a bad ending, as was the case of his beating. What you put out in the universe will only come back to haunt you. Its karma ... ying and yang

[ClydeCoulter]

You make a good point. In the past, being a police officer required that one have some level of bravery above the average citizen, now it seems like they are allowing the fidgety, trigger finger, scary cat types into the force. I mean can you imagine what it would be like if firemen acted like police officers? They would only go into a burning house only if there's a 100% chance they won't get any burns. I mean, you've got to fully protect thy self first.

May I repost that comment on facebook? I won't give your real name (I'm not even sure what it is), but just quote it as "~ WTF" :D

[GunnyFreedom]

http://glenbradley.net/imghost/hansfbi.jpg

[juleswin]

May I repost that comment on facebook? I won't give your real name (I'm not even sure what it is), but just quote it as "~ WTF" :D

That's cool, but you know juleswin is not my real name right? :)

[Anti Federalist]

That's cool, but you know juleswin is not my real name right? :)

If it was, he'd look like this:

http://wiki.tarantino.info/images/Jules.jpg

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

watch these movies and then tell me whose side you are on. The cops side or the thugs side?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xSgFe6Qi_0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5MGJ87hPGw

[sparebulb]

watch these movies and then tell me whose side you are on. The cops side or the thugs side?

You like movies, gerbil boy?

Perhaps you've misjudged us.

Which one of these cops do you role-play identify with? I'm guessing Sweet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEhjFKunNW0

[GunnyFreedom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPABLW6F_A

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

a really sad state of the Ron Paul forums ... I'm very embarrassed by these responses. Lunatics have invaded. So sad.

[Christian Liberty]

While I enjoy your responses, they are the best on here so far I have to mention, you are missing the point. The point is, yes cops suck and they are fascists, but don't give them a reason to be fascist pigs ... Don't steal. Get a job, and take responsibility for your actions. Be proactive.

OK, this is kind of like saying "Rapists are fascist pigs, but don't give them a reason to be fascist pigs. Stay out of dark alleys, get a job, and take responsibility for your actions."

Mind you, this is less a reaction to the Brown case as it is some of the other ones. As I said I don't know how to assess Wilson yet, I don't have enough info. But, there is no point in blaming the victims in these types of cases. Yes, there are steps you can take to lower, though not entirely eliminate, the risk. But, you're just giving validity to the system here. If you really are a friend of liberty like you claim, you should not do this.


Nobody ever said that Kelly Thomas Kelly should of been killed, man you guys are REALLY bad at jumping to conclusions.

I'm saying that bad circumstances lead to bad situations. A guy strung out on drugs agitating people is a bad situation that will only end up with a bad ending, as was the case of his beating. What you put out in the universe will only come back to haunt you. Its karma ... ying and yang

You really implied it. And assuming you are being honest when you say you aren't FrankRep, he was a poster here awhile back who flat out said "Kelly Thomas did it to himself." Unlike many of us, he was not being sarcastic at the time. I distinctly remember it.

I hope that you're telling the truth here and that you're just terrible at articulating ideas. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But it doesn't seem that way to me.

Like for instance, you said this, in response to the Kelly Thomas video.


Kelly Thomas was a bum and a druggie, not to mention a menace to society

What am I supposed to assume? Being a bum and a druggie is not enough of a reason to justify beating someone to death. Any decent human being is aware of that. Are you? You haven't implied it on this thread.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Why Darren Wilson was right


Your reasoning is illogical. You evaluation of Wilson's correctness is based on a totally unrelated incident. If I use your reasoning, the I would assume that being attacked by a single dog means that any dog I encounter after that first incident will result in a dog attack.





...man you guys are REALLY bad at jumping to conclusions.


You jumped to a conclusion based on a video of a totally unrelated incident.

Have you read ANY grand jury testimony?

[sparebulb]

We have a neg-rep'r.

Hey RonPaul4Prez2012 (FrankRep), protocol suggests that you go to the hospital, get pictures of your severe injuries taken, and fill out the proper form.

http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/630554/modules/forum/attachments/HurtFeelingsReport_1408921094.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Got the following on this post:

http://i.imgur.com/mZ30k3W.jpg

C'mon, cop, tell me what Baby Bou Bou (or his innocent parents) did to deserve getting a cop grenade shoved under his nose?



What law did Baby Bou Bou break?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/20/article-2729531-20A6E88F00000578-241_634x894.jpg

[Christian Liberty]

a really sad state of the Ron Paul forums ... I'm very embarrassed by these responses. Lunatics have invaded. So sad.

I think there's a place for Ron Paul supporters of all types here, whether more extreme or less. But even the more moderate constitutionalists should be able to figure out that what happened in the Kelly Thomas case, or the case where the cop shot at the guy who reached into his car for the license, was wrong. Yes, we live in a hyper-active, trigger happy society where the guy "should have known" not to reach into the car without telling the cop what he was doing. But, if the cop wasn't a cop, but rather a private civilian, he would never be considered justified for shooting at a man just because he reached into his car. Ever. I would go so far as to say that the cop should be executed, no matter how decent a person he may have been otherwise. You get trigger happy behind a badge like that, you pay for it with your life. Don't do it. Either don't hide behind the badge, or don't commit violent felonies while behind the badge. I'll be honest, I have no compassion on those types, maybe I should but I don't. I still think they should get a trial like everyone else, a swift trial and then execution.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

OK, this is kind of like saying "Rapists are fascist pigs, but don't give them a reason to be fascist pigs. Stay out of dark alleys, get a job, and take responsibility for your actions."

Mind you, this is less a reaction to the Brown case as it is some of the other ones. As I said I don't know how to assess Wilson yet, I don't have enough info. But, there is no point in blaming the victims in these types of cases. Yes, there are steps you can take to lower, though not entirely eliminate, the risk. But, you're just giving validity to the system here. If you really are a friend of liberty like you claim, you should not do this.



You really implied it. And assuming you are being honest when you say you aren't FrankRep, he was a poster here awhile back who flat out said "Kelly Thomas did it to himself." Unlike many of us, he was not being sarcastic at the time. I distinctly remember it.

I hope that you're telling the truth here and that you're just terrible at articulating ideas. That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. But it doesn't seem that way to me.

Like for instance, you said this, in response to the Kelly Thomas video.



What am I supposed to assume? Being a bum and a druggie is not enough of a reason to justify beating someone to death. Any decent human being is aware of that. Are you? You haven't implied it on this thread.

You keep missing the points and you are making irrational judgements. You are jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous assumptions all over the place. whats wrong with you?

[GunnyFreedom]

Got the following on this post:

http://i.imgur.com/mZ30k3W.jpg

C'mon, cop, tell me what Baby Bou Bou (or his innocent parents) did to deserve getting a cop grenade shoved under his nose?

Wow, I got the exact same one. He couldn't even think of anything more creative tha 'clown.'

[GunnyFreedom]

You keep missing the points and you are making irrational judgements. You are jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous assumptions all over the place. whats wrong with you?

This statement, from you, is so ironic my monitor imploded.

[Christian Liberty]

lol! I got the same exact neg rep, with the word "clown" even though in the thread he claimed I had "the best responses in the thread." lol!

[juleswin]

take off the tin foil hat man. I'm no pig.

You know, I believe you. I don't think you are a cop. I think you either have close cop friends, married to one, have them as in-laws or parents were cops or a combination. I think you have some deep connections to the blue bloods but regardless, when say things like


Are all of you just going to sit around and take all of these damn cops? Go out and kill some cops then pussies ... stop bootlickin' on the forums

It just makes people very suspicious cos that sounds like the sort of thing an undercover cop trying to entrap people would say. I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't think Mike Brown is a thug level bully who deserves to be locked up but most here also doesn't think he deserved to be killed for being a thug. Cops should behave better than street thugs, we are their bosses and they should treat the citizens in a respectful manner. That starts with being more understanding with mentally ill or badly behaving citizens and not so quick to hit and pull the trigger.

[sparebulb]

Wow, I got the exact same one. He couldn't even think of anything more creative tha 'clown.'

He double neg'd me with tears of a clown.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Is this possible? Is this probable?




https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-8gUUNrB85PKXsXBgvI8eK1QIDWKuhkKX2BelOCOHn1N7ggznYg

[orenbus]

Wow, I got the exact same one. He couldn't even think of anything more creative tha 'clown.'

Same.

[juleswin]

Got the following on this post:

http://i.imgur.com/mZ30k3W.jpg

C'mon, cop, tell me what Baby Bou Bou (or his innocent parents) did to deserve getting a cop grenade shoved under his nose?

Got the same -rep comment too. Now does your rep power also apply to -reps?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

You know, I believe you. I don't think you are a cop. I think you either have close cop friends, married to one, have them as in-laws or parents were cops or a combination. I think you have some deep connections to the blue bloods but regardless, when say things like



It just makes people very suspicious cos that sounds like the sort of thing an undercover cop trying to entrap people would say. I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't think Mike Brown is a thug level bully who deserves to be locked up but most here also doesn't think he deserved to be killed for being a thug. Cops should behave better than street thugs, we are their bosses and they should treat the citizens in a respectful manner. That starts with being more understanding with mentally ill or badly behaving citizens and not so quick to hit and pull the trigger.

No it just makes you look really paranoid. They have pills for that but in your case it might not work.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

This might put you guys in a tailspin maybe some frothing at the lips. Hehe.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/police-badge.png

[ClydeCoulter]

Hah! I got my first neg rep ever, yep and as a "clown"! :D:D:D:D:D

[Christian Liberty]

You keep missing the points and you are making irrational judgements. You are jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous assumptions all over the place. whats wrong with you?

Explain.


You know, I believe you. I don't think you are a cop. I think you either have close cop friends, married to one, have them as in-laws or parents were cops or a combination. I think you have some deep connections to the blue bloods but regardless, when say things like



It just makes people very suspicious cos that sounds like the sort of thing an undercover cop trying to entrap people would say. I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't think Mike Brown is a thug level bully who deserves to be locked up but most here also doesn't think he deserved to be killed for being a thug. Cops should behave better than street thugs, we are their bosses and they should treat the citizens in a respectful manner. That starts with being more understanding with mentally ill or badly behaving citizens and not so quick to hit and pull the trigger.

Assuming Michael Brown's only crime is theft, he should have had to pay restitution to his victim, but should not have been imprisoned. Prison isn't a just punishment for the vast majority, if not all crimes. I can't think of a crime that would justifiably be punished by prison.

Now, if he reached for Wilson's gun, on top of the theft, that would make a difference, at that point the reason Brown was killed wasn't because "he's a thug", but because he actually tried to assault Wilson. I don't think one should automatically shoot in that situation, but if the guy is bigger than you and you can't win without shooting, yeah, I could see it. if it was a civilian who fired I'd say the same thing. In fact, I'd honestly be more inclined to trust that a civilian made the right choice than a cop.

Is that what really happened? Again, I don't know. But that's the key point here, really. The single fact that he was a thief, taken in isolation, is not enough to justify shooting. I will also take a minority position that the simple fact that a civilian reaches for an officer's gun is not in and of itself enough to justify shooting. If the officer is (directly or indirectly) holding a civilian at gunpoint without just cause, anything he does after that during that same situation is unjust, if the civilian escalates it, right or wrong from an idealist perspective, the civilian is not a criminal at that point (according to the libertarian NAP.) But, if BOTH the fact that an actual crime (theft) occurred, AND the fact that he reached for Wilson's gun are true, than Wilson was probably justified.

[ClydeCoulter]

This might put you guys in a tailspin maybe some frothing at the lips. Hehe.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/police-badge.png

Oh, dang....someone is "Special"?

[GunnyFreedom]

This might put you guys in a tailspin maybe some frothing at the lips. Hehe.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/police-badge.png
HAHA not only is he a cop, he's "special." :p

dude's a retard cop. :D

[Christian Liberty]

This might put you guys in a tailspin maybe some frothing at the lips. Hehe.

http://sandiegofreepress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/police-badge.png

No, it just makes me think "just another morally corrupt thug, albeit one with societal sanction and a badge that will prevent them from ever facing accountability." I honestly barely feel emotion towards them anymore. I've been numbed. My heart doesn't really work. My mind still does.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't think there's anyone here who doesn't think Mike Brown is a thug level bully who deserves to be locked up but most here also doesn't think he deserved to be killed for being a thug. Cops should behave better than street thugs, we are their bosses and they should treat the citizens in a respectful manner. That starts with being more understanding with mentally ill or badly behaving citizens and not so quick to hit and pull the trigger.

I wanted to point out to our cop friend, that there are thousands of cases where totally innocent people have been roughed up, arrested, beaten, shot or had their pets killed by out of control cops, contrary to his claim that, basically, do nothing wrong and the cops won't bother you.

Mike Brown was not a sympathetic figure, which is of course why the media hyped it.

That and the fact that police harassment has been simmering in Ferguson for decades.

[Anti Federalist]

Got the same -rep comment too. Now does your rep power also apply to -reps?

Yes, it does.

[ClydeCoulter]

Yes, it does.

So...should I do as I want to be done to me or...let 'em have it?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

No, it just makes me think "just another morally corrupt thug, albeit one with societal sanction and a badge that will prevent them from ever facing accountability." I honestly barely feel emotion towards them anymore. I've been numbed. My heart doesn't really work. My mind still does.

nailed it

http://i.imgur.com/Gaje5lN.jpg

you guys need help

[Christian Liberty]

So...should I do as I want to be done to me or...let 'em have it?

Consider now: If you were to ever bec0me that stupid, would you want the rest of us to give you a wake up call?

If "yes" let em have it.

[orenbus]

This might put you guys in a tailspin maybe some frothing at the lips. Hehe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVagQ_LVd4

[ClydeCoulter]

okay, with "clown cop?"...done

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Position of evidence in diagram.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-diagram-of-the-scene/




If you assume the objects are not moved and that the wind is relatively calm, then it looks like two shots are fired within or near the police car. The grouping of six spent casings and four spent casing seems to match the audio which captured 10 of the 12 shots.


Audio of 10 shots here: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-audio/

[Weston White]

...I was about to respond to the OP, but at the very last moment decided that it would be much more productive to just go argue with the brick wall in my backyard, while chewing on yesterday’s newspaper.

[Christian Liberty]

nailed it

http://i.imgur.com/Gaje5lN.jpg

you guys need help

Number one, I don't post on behalf of "us guys." I like most people here, but I only represent one person, and that's the real person behind the "FreedomFanatic" username. That's it. That's all. Some of you probably remember my first name, others may not. I don't speak for any name but mine.

Number two, I don't think the fact that I've grown numb is proof that I "need help." Its bound to happen to anyone who's read as much of this crap as I have eventually. No offense to those here who know they have read more of this kind of crap than I have, that have been "awake" longer than I have, or who have taken longer than I did to go numb.

I used to get angry but now I just kind of shake my head in sadness. It is what it is.

But if, unlikely though it may be, the time comes that I become important and I need to do something, I won't let my emotions or lack thereof get in my way of doing the right thing, whatever that is.

[Anti Federalist]

HAHA not only is he a cop, he's "special." :p

dude's a retard cop. :D

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q199/rossinibaritone/special.gif

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Well I'm at least glad to know that I'm the only real Ron paul fanatic here. I've met him a few times and we hit it off.

[Christian Liberty]

okay, with "clown cop?"...done

I just shot him back with "clown" but "clown cop" works to.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://reho.st/http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e55/16d/211/resized/potato-cop-meme-generator-you-were-doing-45-in-a-potato-zone-12a5fc.jpg (http://reho.st/fullsize/http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e55/16d/211/resized/potato-cop-meme-generator-you-were-doing-45-in-a-potato-zone-12a5fc.jpg)

[Christian Liberty]

Well I'm at least glad to know that I'm the only real Ron paul fanatic here. I've met him a few times and we hit it off.

Who says we aren't real Ron Paul fanatics? I'd be stunned if he'd agree with you on this. I don't even see Rand Paul agreeing with you on this.

[Anti Federalist]

So...should I do as I want to be done to me or...let 'em have it?

Fire when ready Griddley.

[juleswin]

Explain.



Assuming Michael Brown's only crime is theft, he should have had to pay restitution to his victim, but should not have been imprisoned. Prison isn't a just punishment for the vast majority, if not all crimes. I can't think of a crime that would justifiably be punished by prison.

Now, if he reached for Wilson's gun, on top of the theft, that would make a difference, at that point the reason Brown was killed wasn't because "he's a thug", but because he actually tried to assault Wilson. I don't think one should automatically shoot in that situation, but if the guy is bigger than you and you can't win without shooting, yeah, I could see it. if it was a civilian who fired I'd say the same thing. In fact, I'd honestly be more inclined to trust that a civilian made the right choice than a cop.

Is that what really happened? Again, I don't know. But that's the key point here, really. The single fact that he was a thief, taken in isolation, is not enough to justify shooting. I will also take a minority position that the simple fact that a civilian reaches for an officer's gun is not in and of itself enough to justify shooting. If the officer is (directly or indirectly) holding a civilian at gunpoint without just cause, anything he does after that during that same situation is unjust, if the civilian escalates it, right or wrong from an idealist perspective, the civilian is not a criminal at that point (according to the libertarian NAP.) But, if BOTH the fact that an actual crime (theft) occurred, AND the fact that he reached for Wilson's gun are true, than Wilson was probably justified.

True restitution is better than prison. I said prison cos its just the type of punishment that is given to those type of crimes. Back in the early 1900 in my country, they would banish(exile) you from society for a number of years and sell off your property to pay off the victim. I think that is even better than just restitution.

I have to disagree slightly with you that he for the most part deserved to be shot if he was reaching for his gun. I say for the most part because if he was running away after trying to reach for the gun, then don't shoot and he if was withing gun reach, then he should be shot. Also when I said shot, i don't mean kill. The cop doesn't have to kill someone in order to disable them.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Position of evidence in diagram.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-diagram-of-the-scene/




If you assume the objects are not moved and that the wind is relatively calm, then it looks like two shots are fired within or near the police car. The grouping of six spent casings and four spent casing seems to match the audio which captured 10 of the 12 shots.


Audio of 10 shots here: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-audio/

No crime=no cops

get it? my guess is you won't.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Well I'm at least glad to know that I'm the only real Ron paul fanatic here. I've met him a few times and we hit it off.


OP just neg repped me, with the single word "douche."

Does this mean you are not going to answer my question, coward? Let's debate. You and me. Game?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

you guys really shitted on my reputation, thanks a lot dipshits.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

No crime=no cops

get it? my guess is you won't.



I asked you a question. You did not answer my question. Answer it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

you guys really shitted on my reputation, thanks a lot dipshits.

I am neg repping all your posts until you answer my question. Let's go, coward.

[Christian Liberty]

True restitution is better than prison. I said prison cos its just the type of punishment that is given to those type of crimes. Back in the early 1900 in my country, they would banish(exile) you from society for a number of years and sell off your property to pay off the victim. I think that is even better than just restitution.

I'd be fine with forcing someone to sell their property if it was needed, but whether that would be needed would depend on how much was stolen. To give an extreme example, someone who stole a candy bar wouldn't need nearly as much as any property they have is worth to restitute the victim.

It used to be that I'd just let prison references go, but I grow more and more opposed to the idea by the day. I think any solution the free market would derive is guaranteed to be better.


I have to disagree slightly with you that he for the most part deserved to be shot if he was reaching for his gun. I say for the most part because if he was running away after trying to reach for the gun, then don't shoot and he if was withing gun reach, then he should be shot. Also when I said shot, i don't mean kill. The cop doesn't have to kill someone in order to disable them.

I said "probably" and not "definitely" for a reason. There are sets of scenarios, such as "he started running away and was guaranteed not to be a threat" that could change my opinion. But, if Wilson was acting in a split second I don't really blame him if he made the wrong judgment call, assuming he was justified in the interaction from the beginning. If he weren't, or if it wasn't a split second call, or if Brown never really reached for Wilson's gun at all, all of those things would change things.

[GunnyFreedom]

True restitution is better than prison. I said prison cos its just the type of punishment that is given to those type of crimes. Back in the early 1900 in my country, they would banish(exile) you from society for a number of years and sell off your property to pay off the victim. I think that is even better than just restitution.

I have to disagree slightly with you that he for the most part deserved to be shot if he was reaching for his gun. I say for the most part because if he was running away after trying to reach for the gun, then don't shoot and he if was withing gun reach, then he should be shot. Also when I said shot, i don't mean kill. The cop doesn't have to kill someone in order to disable them.

I agree with all of this except for 'shooting to disable.' There is no such thing as shooting to disable. There is only 'shooting to stop the assault.' Shooting to wound is the biggest and last mistake you will ever make.

[Christian Liberty]

No crime=no cops

get it? my guess is you won't.

There would still be cops because victimless "crimes" exist and the system has to keep itself going.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Who says we aren't real Ron Paul fanatics? I'd be stunned if he'd agree with you on this. I don't even see Rand Paul agreeing with you on this.

um yes he would. Its kinda like the saying "nothing good happens after midnight" and I have to agree. its being proactive. Try to be inside at a reasonable hour.

Just because there are bad cops out there, doesnt mean every cop is a fascist gestapo checking your papers. Some of them just want to keep order which is why they are there in the first place. Lets be rational here.

[Anti Federalist]

Well I'm at least glad to know that I'm the only real Ron paul fanatic here. I've met him a few times and we hit it off.


The increasing use of military equipment by local police is a symptom of growing authoritarianism, not the cause. The cause is policies that encourage police to see Americans as enemies to subjugate, rather than as citizens to "protect and serve.” This attitude is on display not only in Ferguson, but in the police lockdown following the Boston Marathon bombing and in the Americans killed and injured in “no-knock” raids conducted by militarized SWAT teams.

One particularly tragic victim of police militarization and the war on drugs is “baby Bounkham.” This infant was severely burned and put in a coma by a flash-burn grenade thrown into his crib by a SWAT team member who burst into the infant’s room looking for methamphetamine.

As shocking as the case of baby Bounkham is, no one should be surprised that empowering police to stop consensual (though perhaps harmful and immoral) activities has led to a growth of authoritarian attitudes and behaviors among government officials and politicians. Those wondering why the local police increasingly look and act like an occupying military force should consider that the drug war was the justification for the Defense Department’s “1033 program,” which last year gave local police departments almost $450 million worth of “surplus” military equipment. This included armored vehicles and grenades like those that were used to maim baby Bounkham. - Ron Paul

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/august/24/ferguson-the-war-comes-home.aspx



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[RonPaul4Prez2012]

I asked you a question. You did not answer my question. Answer it.

whats the question?

[sparebulb]

whats the question?

Have you ever blown a cop all you wanted?

[ClydeCoulter]

@phil4paul would be proud :D

[Occam's Banana]

Thus speaketh the Lord of Clowns:

you guys really shitted on my reputation, thanks a lot dipshits...
A guy strung out on drugs agitating people is a bad situation that will only end up with a bad ending [...] What you put out in the universe will only come back to haunt you. Its karma ... ying and yang

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

whats the question?

It's your thread and you can't even pay attention. Your coherence in this thread is even worse than your logic and attention to the evidence in the case.

Read your own thread again and find it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

whats the question?

Another neg rep. Choose your reason:

Lazy
Pitiful
Both

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Have you ever blown a cop all you wanted?

this is the wrong forum for your weird fetishes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlGclIZV5JQ

[GunnyFreedom]

um yes he would. Its kinda like the saying "nothing good happens after midnight" and I have to agree. its being proactive. Try to be inside at a reasonable hour.

Just because there are bad cops out there, doesnt mean every cop is a fascist gestapo checking your papers. Some of them just want to keep order which is why they are there in the first place. Lets be rational here.

The kind of lunacy found in this thread, is exactly why theye promote the rorschach blot Michael Brown, over the Rembrandt Aiyana Jones. And you just got suckered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

[juleswin]

I agree with all of this except for 'shooting to disable.' There is no such thing as shooting to disable. There is only 'shooting to stop the assault.' Shooting to wound is the biggest and last mistake you will ever make.

I can't really argue with you since I am no gun expert, I have shot a real gun once but I don't think that makes me anything :). But I have to say that I find it weird that shooting to disable is not a thing. I mean is it impossible to let off the first couple of bullets to disable and then reassess after that? you still have about 5 more bullets to kill if that doesn't work.

[Anti Federalist]

Lets see how much "bootlicking" you do when something bad happens to you ... please don't call 9/11 or the cops when it does ... you might be doing some serious badge-worshiping.

Pffft...the last thing I'll ever do is call a cop if I'm in some kind of trouble.

I may call after whatever it is, is all over, just to fill out paperwork and clean up if needed..

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzWC92xcA5Y



I forgot to neg rep you for this one, dipshit. Sorry about that!

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

It's your thread and you can't even pay attention. Your coherence in this thread is even worse than your logic and attention to the evidence in the case.

Read your own thread again and find it.

no

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

I forgot to neg rep you for this one, dipshit. Sorry about that!

So youre saying its ok for that thug to knock that poor womans teeth down her throat? That thug deserves to die.

What if that cop was your wife or mom?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

no


Another neg rep.

Reason: cowardice.

[Anti Federalist]

I can't really argue with you since I am no gun expert, I have shot a real gun once but I don't think that makes me anything :). But I have to say that I find it weird that shooting to disable is not a thing. I mean is it impossible to let off the first couple of bullets to disable and then reassess after that? you still have about 5 more bullets to kill if that doesn't work.

Yes, that is not possible.

In the stress of a shooting, no person can be held to account for what amounts to a couple of inches between fatal and "wounding".

If you use lethal force, you must be committed to it and it must be the last resort, because all you have now is the reality of a gunfight: shoot until the attack stops and shoot for "center mass" the area most likely that you'll be able to hit in a frantic fight for your life.

That's part of the problem with the CFC, there is no longer any rational "uptick" in use of force.

Basically, in today's world, a cop can blow you away for looking at him funny and legally skate.

[ClydeCoulter]

I can't really argue with you since I am no gun expert, I have shot a real gun once but I don't think that makes me anything :). But I have to say that I find it weird that shooting to disable is not a thing. I mean is it impossible to let off the first couple of bullets to disable and then reassess after that? you still have about 5 more bullets to kill if that doesn't work.

Imagine the addrenaline that is rushing into your body...your arms and legs are weak, because your body is conserving oxygen for the midsection and the brain. The brain is on oxy++....you are trying to decide, subconsciously, whether to fight or run....you have a semi-equalizer...a gun....your aim, is at best, somewhere in the middle of the fuzzy, tunnel visioned, target.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

So youre saying its ok for that thug to knock that poor womans teeth down her throat? That thug deserves to die.


Answer the question.

[Anti Federalist]

whats the question?

You stated earlier in this thread:


Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ..

I want to know what law Baby Bou Bou broke, that justified cops blowing his face off with a grenade?

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Pffft...the last thing I'll ever do is call a cop if I'm in some kind of trouble.

I may call after whatever it is, is all over, just to fill out paperwork and clean up if needed..

well arent you a tough big guy .. I envy your machismo

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Answer the question.

post it up

[GunnyFreedom]

I can't really argue with you since I am no gun expert, I have shot a real gun once but I don't think that makes me anything :). But I have to say that I find it weird that shooting to disable is not a thing. I mean is it impossible to let off the first couple of bullets to disable and then reassess after that? you still have about 5 more bullets to kill if that doesn't work.

It's not about whether you have the equipment, material, or will to try; it's just that in reality it pretty much always works out for the worse, so just don't ever do it. If you are a homeowner and he is a burglar you end up with lawsuits and maybe he still kills you. or comes back after 8 years of hard time and kills you. That he is alive at all makes it a he said he said. As a cop, a bullet wound will never have the effect you think it will. Dude can act like he wasn't even hit for a while. three or four disabling shots and while you are dumbstruck wondering wtf is going on, he calmly takes your gun and shoots you with it. If you are a soldier it has a little more relevance, but you don't take 'disabling shots' you use smaller rounds that are less likely to kill. You take a disabling shot you are over 70% to miss anyway. Because you are 'trying not to hurt with a bullet"

i could keep going, if it were useful. Point being is that as much as you think it would be a good idea for any number of great logical reasons, when it hits reality it pretty much always works out for the worst. So don't do it.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Okay, I've neg repped this imbecile five times and he still won't play ball. I have better things to do. If he does not have a pink bar by the time I come back, then I am neg repping him even more. Just like maybemaybenot. LOL!

[sparebulb]

Have you ever blown a cop all you wanted?


no

Thank you for answering the question.

[GunnyFreedom]

Imagine the addrenaline that is rushing into your body...your arms and legs are weak, because your body is conserving oxygen for the midsection and the brain. The brain is on oxy++....you are trying to decide, subconsciously, whether to fight or run....you have a semi-equalizer...a gun....your aim, is at best, somewhere in the middle of the fuzzy, tunnel visioned, target.
aim for a leg, legs are moving all over the damn place

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

post it up

6 neg reps.


Reason:

Laziness
Dumb
Or both


Your pick.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

The kind of lunacy found in this thread, is exactly why theye promote the rorschach blot Michael Brown, over the Rembrandt Aiyana Jones. And you just got suckered.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

BTW my best friend is a former Marine and was stationed at Camp Legune in Jacksonville, NC. He agrees with my views we just chatted earlier. Lots of cool devil dogs out here too in LA but not sure whats going on with you?

[ClydeCoulter]

well arent you a tough big guy .. I envy your machismo

Tough guy? No, pragmatic in that situation. You think he should call 911 and hide in the closet and hope and pray for 10-15 minutes at the least?

[Anti Federalist]

well arent you a tough big guy .. I envy your machismo

Far from it.

I was pretty tough in my flaming yoot, now I'm old and fat and broke down from a lifetime of hard work and bad habits.

I'll still not call cops, for anything.

Not because I'm a tough guy or not.

Because I want no part of those criminal lunatics, I don't want them on my property, around my family, around my animals or around me.

[Christian Liberty]

So youre saying its ok for that thug to knock that poor womans teeth down her throat? That thug deserves to die.

What if that cop was your wife or mom?

I am thankful not to have been dealt the hand of a cop for a mother. And I don't see how I could marry a cop, or why any cop would want to marry me considering what my beliefs are. I'm usually civil but I still can't imagine that happening.

All that said, I'm not sure what case you're talking about.

[ClydeCoulter]

Tough guy? No, pragmatic in that situation. You think he should call 911 and hide in the closet and hope and pray for 10-15 minutes at the least?

edit: If cops aren't writing tickets or being afraid for their lives, they are putting up the yellow tape around the scene and writing a report. How many times do cops actually prevent crime?


edit: That's was a weird edit :D

[GunnyFreedom]

well arent you a tough big guy .. I envy your machismo

You are the one so dead adamant over a stupid rorschach blot. Imagine the smart you for a second. Ashamed as hell at getting yourself all jacked up in in RPF's over a stupid thug. You let this thug do that to you?

Why do you think these stories exist? They are engineered to divide people, and they are very well made.

[GunnyFreedom]

Far from it.

I was pretty tough in my flaming yoot, now I'm old and fat and broke down from a lifetime of hard work and bad habits.

I'll still not call cops, for anything.

Not because I'm a tough guy or not.

Because I want no part of those criminal lunatics, I don't want them on my property, around my family, around my animals or around me.

This. The presence of cops always magnifies the chance of getting killed by Teh Stoopid. No thanks.

[Anti Federalist]

BTW my best friend is a former Marine and was stationed at Camp Legune in Jacksonville, NC. He agrees with my views we just chatted earlier. Lots of cool devil dogs out here too in LA but not sure whats going on with you?

You'll find Gunny takes his oath pretty seriously.

[GunnyFreedom]

BTW my best friend is a former Marine and was stationed at Camp Legune in Jacksonville, NC. He agrees with my views we just chatted earlier. Lots of cool devil dogs out here too in LA but not sure whats going on with you?

I'm still good friends with most of the men and women I served with. They appear to know what's going on with me. Perhaps the problem is in your perception?

[Anti Federalist]

This. The presence of cops always magnifies the chance of getting killed by Teh Stoopid. No thanks.

Yup.

Never talk to cops.

Never call cops into a "hot" situation.

In fact, this goes right here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

[Anti Federalist]

Still waiting...


whats the question?

You stated earlier in this thread:


Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ..

I want to know what law Baby Bou Bou broke, that justified cops blowing his face off with a grenade?

[Christian Liberty]

So youre saying its ok for that thug to knock that poor womans teeth down her throat? That thug deserves to die.

What if that cop was your wife or mom?

Why was the cop making the particular contact in the first place? Was it a real crime of a victimless "crime"? Even if it was a real crime, I don't think that automatically deserves death. If it was a victimless "crime" than the cop, however well intentioned, is the real criminal, and the "thug" REALLY doesn't "deserve to die."

[ClydeCoulter]

@rp4prez

If you are for real, a genuine average joe...you have got to be feeling this thread. Surely, you can see what is being discussed.

Good night, ya'll.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Lets see how much "bootlicking" you do when something bad happens to you ... please don't call 9/11 or the cops when it does ... you might be doing some serious badge-worshiping.


I won't call them any more because they're basically useless. Just three of my experiences here:


--Neighbor and I get into a verbal dispute (discussed in the Philip Sailors-Diaz thread). Neighbor kicks my rear when I leave. I turn around toward neighbor and he pulls a gun. Takes a shot at my feet. Wife insists on calling the police. They don't even go over the guy's house. Reason? I'm guessing it's because his daughter-in-law is in the department. I actually hear them talking in hushed tone about whether or not my neighbor is the same guy. I call them later to get the upshot. They never visit the guy. Their reason? "We got busy."
Learned that this guy likely poisoned two neighborhood dogs. One dog was owned by a tenant of this piece of crap.


--Car was stolen when I lived in another city. Police station is less than a mile away, but they don't even come out. They were not interested in learning any logistics of the crime. I basically phoned it in.


--Strange guy knocks on my door. Leaves quickly. I go outside to see his location. Neighbor has already called police because he has already knocked on her door. Learn that he's a down-and-out guy living in squalor down our road. Police come out. Frisk him like a criminal.
My wife later sees him a few weeks in the hospital where she works. He's in poor shape. Harmless as a turtle. Found out he was looking for something to eat the day he knocked on our door.

[juleswin]

I want to know what law Baby Bou Bou broke, that justified cops blowing his face off with a grenade?

My guess is that his answers will be something like this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pOUFHTN1G4

But he can prove me wrong by answering the question himself. We are waiting

[GunnyFreedom]

Still waiting...



You stated earlier in this thread:



I want to know what law Baby Bou Bou broke, that justified cops blowing his face off with a grenade?

Dude, you can ask that question 100 times and he still won't see it. :p It's an inconvenient question.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Darren Wilson was treated as the "victim" in the initial investigation.


DA: So when you began this investigation, you were characterizing this as an assault of a law enforcement officer, correct?

Detective: Yes.

DA: Is that in any way meant to be your opinion of what happened or who was a victim in this case?

Detective: No, ma'am. Any time I'm involved in an officer involved shooting, be it a fatal one or nonfatal, it is always during my initial investigation listed as an assault on law enforcement.

.....

DA: Yeah, because I don't want to get confused using the term victim because some of your things are...

A: Yes, ma'am, they are.

Q: Marked victim is Officer Wilson. So let's talk about deceased or Michael Brown in that term.


Source: Grand jury testimony. Volume 2.

http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html

*************************




You see, you losers, it really does not matter. The encounter will always assumed to be an assault on an officer.

[chudrockz]

Are all of you just going to sit around and take all of these damn cops? Go out and kill some cops then pussies ... stop bootlickin' on the forums

Reported for incitement to commit murder.

[Cissy]

I'm 100% sure that Mike Brown would of kicked your ass ... easily.

Were you asleep when the conditional perfect was discussed in your English class?

[Cissy]

As for views, you seem to be VERY close minded. Go out and kill some cops if you are so pissed off.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kakUJARSOc

Here's one for you and your "libertarian" views

To date, I have never neg repped, but for inciting murder, I'll make an exception.

[Cap]

Actually I'm very against any police state, but keep making more and more speculations.Have you ever done a ride-along?

[Cissy]

Good. Let the Marxist agenda flow through you. Good!

http://reho.st/http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Emperor-Palpatine-Darth-Sidious-Star-Wars.jpg (http://reho.st/fullsize/http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Emperor-Palpatine-Darth-Sidious-Star-Wars.jpg)

Were he real, Emperor Palpatine would be more excited about one of us succumbing to Marxist brainwashing as opposed to the troll's parroting.

[pcosmar]

Were he real, Emperor Palpatine would be more excited about one of us succumbing to Marxist brainwashing as opposed to the troll's parroting.

Marxist/Socialist crap is just one flavor of Authoritarian.

And Control Enforcers are not needed in a Free Society. Police should simply not exist. They are the problem.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

At some point,, Police were created.(mid 1800s).. and the Justice System corrupted. It has gotten worse incrementally since, and is totally beyond repair at this point.

[euphemia]

Everyone, on all sides, sees exactly what they want to out of this event. This is intentional.

Not exactly. What I see is a young girl who is horrified by what her daddy did. She covered her face and sought shelter in the car.

[sparebulb]

Not exactly. What I see is a young girl who is horrified by what her daddy did. She covered her face and sought shelter in the car.

I believe that GF was referring to the Mike Brown event.

[libertarianinternational]

If a thug punched me and tried to grab my gun, I'd drop him too.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

If a thug punched me and tried to grab my gun, I'd drop him too.

Thank you bro, finally a non-shill slipped through the cracks of this forum. I'll send you a positive comment.

[surf]

boy, this thread went to hell.... even I was tempted to neg.

when I started posting here, and subsequently, I've had the ability to kill a thread with some lame post. and this is lame.

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

I've had the ability to kill a thread with some lame post. and this is lame.

I agree. its really a sad day when so called libertarians (linos ... libertarians in name only) choose to support thugs over innocent cops.

[Cissy]

Pay the troll no mind.

You're either being played or he's a cop.

Either way, best not to talk to him anymore about the subject.

+rep

[kcchiefs6465]

I agree. its really a sad day when so called libertarians (linos ... libertarians in name only) chose to support thugs over innocent cops.
It's a really sad day when the supposedly educated cannot differentiate between the proper usage of 'chose' and 'choose.'

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

It's a really sad day when the supposedly educated cannot differentiate between the proper usage of 'chose' and 'choose.'

I fixed it before you replied, its called a typo. Try to keep up .. um kay?

[kcchiefs6465]

I fixed it before you replied, its called a typo. Try to keep up .. um kay?
Okay.


I agree. its really a sad day when so called libertarians (linos ... libertarians in name only) choose to support thugs over innocent cops.
It's a really sad day when the so called educated cannot differentiate between the proper usage of "its" and "it's."

[GunnyFreedom]

Were he real, Emperor Palpatine would be more excited about one of us succumbing to Marxist brainwashing as opposed to the troll's parroting.

Where do you think the Marxist brainwashing comes from? This event has been engineered from the ground up so that the anti-Wilsons and the Anti-Browns alike share in the same brainwash, even though they think they are opposed to each other, that's a mirage created by this rorschach blot.

[GunnyFreedom]

I fixed it before you replied, its called a typo. Try to keep up .. um kay?

I see you have yet to consider the possibility that this whole kerfluffle arose from errors in your perception.

[GunnyFreedom]

Not exactly. What I see is a young girl who is horrified by what her daddy did. She covered her face and sought shelter in the car.

Yes, exactly. The entire reason Wilson/Brown exists is to give everyone a rorschach blot to get pissed over so theye can keep us at war with ourselves. And some of y'all are getting played like a Stradivarius fiddle. :(

[presence]

Fuck Darren Wilson.
I'll LMAO when karma dornerfriens his bitch ass.
Until then, may he live his life in unspoken shame and perpetual fear of reprisal.

[GunnyFreedom]

No! It's a butterfly!

FK YOU it's a Dragon!

Bullshit, it's a BEAR!

Now everybody, start fighting, and try not to look too hard at all the dead innocents we are ignoring to bring you tonight's main story...

[GunnyFreedom]

No! It's a butterfly!

FK YOU it's a Dragon!

Bullshit, it's a BEAR!

Now everybody, start fighting, and try not to look too hard at all the dead innocents we are ignoring to bring you tonight's main story...

All of y'all, on both sides of this taking it at face value, are getting f'n played.

Go on, argue about the minutiae why rational person A may think Darren Wilson may not have done anything wrong...

Go on, argue about the minutiae why rational person B may think Michael Brown may not have done anything wrong...

Go on, keep arguing, the Marxists have both of you useful idiots in derision, and the Neocons are toasting champaign with their ideological marxist brethren for having discredited ALL of us.

Congratufuckinglations. Dumbasses.

[otherone]

I agree. its really a sad day when so called libertarians (linos ... libertarians in name only) choose to support thugs over innocent cops.

You're confusing Libertarians with the John Birch Society.
Libertarians are always more concerned about government overreach rather than the actions of individuals...criminal or otherwise.

[GunnyFreedom]

Y'all gotta understand. There is enough iron-clad rock-solid 'evidence' laying around the B$M and the intarnetz to prove pretty much anything you can imagine. This is on purpose, so that anyone and everyone can 'righteously' justify their own native assumptions and conclusions. If you had a prejudicial bias to believe that Michael Brown was a secret member of the KKK and did all of this to discredit the Black race there is probably some incontrovertible proof of THAT crap out there somewhere too.

This isn't some every-day cop-kills-a-guy thing going on here. Every last soul in America who is taking this at face value, is getting played. And the few o' y'all around here that haven't woke up yet need to wake up in a hurry, because this means the fascists are advancing.

[William Tell]

You're confusing Libertarians with the John Birch Society.
Libertarians are always more concerned about government overreach rather than the actions of individuals...criminal or otherwise.
What are you talking about? The John Birch Society is wonderful.

"The John Birch Society is a great patriotic organization featuring an educational program solidly based on constitutional principles. I congratulate the Society in this, its 50th year. I wish them continued success and endorse their untiring efforts to foster 'less government, more responsibility ... and with God's help ... a better world.' -Ron Paul

[otherone]

What are you talking about? The John Birch Society is wonderful.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI3M1g4MjY=/$%28KGrHqJ,!jQE-g4DjUSgBP7hRduMHQ~~60_35.JPG

[William Tell]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI3M1g4MjY=/$%28KGrHqJ,!jQE-g4DjUSgBP7hRduMHQ~~60_35.JPG

That's about opposing Federal takeover of police... :rolleyes:

[satchelmcqueen]

We do know that he did steal from a convenient store. Like I said, dont be a punk and don't agitate people and you will be better off. When you piss people off, people with guns come around.

do you think the government thinks that of the citizens to? is that why the cops and ones in power are the only who say they need guns?

ok this guy is obviously a troll or paid shill. i call for him to be banned. he just stirring up shit that has no real discussion to it.

[GunnyFreedom]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI3M1g4MjY=/$%28KGrHqJ,!jQE-g4DjUSgBP7hRduMHQ~~60_35.JPG

This is actually an anti-overreach position. Local as opposed to State and Federal. It's also a demonstration to the people they are trying to reach, "Hey look, those crazy progressives are lying to you, we aren't trying to abolish the entire government." It's basically an antifederalist argument dressed up as a 'we love the police' puff piece to obtain penetration. Pretty brilliant presentation, actually. :)

[otherone]

That's about opposing Federal takeover of police... :rolleyes:

Like I said...copsucking is not Libertarian...it's Birchian. Being "wonderful" doesn't make Birchers Libertarian.

[GunnyFreedom]

And no, I don't think JBS does nearly enough to oppose the Police State. However they are neither the apologists that I am sure they appear to some.

[satchelmcqueen]

Actually no I'm not, I have friends who are police officers and there are certain protocols they follow in order to protect themselves.

The real trolls are the public who ignorantly try judge cops on what they should and shouldn't do.

The public, such as yourself, does NOT know the protocols that cops are trained to do when in certain situations to protect their lives.

You don't know, Ferguson definitely doesn't know either. Get educated and stop playing Kangaroo court by watching youtube videos. You are not a qualified judge.
some of those "protocols" are WRONG. do you really think the kelly thomas thing was justified? this tell me that youre 1 of a few things....a troll, or a paid shill as i said earlier, or a cop who doesnt give a shit about being decent and doing things without abusing your power. you said you have cop friends? well, keep on listening to most of them and youll be ok with anything they do. dont forget, some cops are " in fear of their lives" when it comes to teenage girls with cell phones to. do you believe that bs?? youre ignored from here on. go away.

[William Tell]

Like I said...copsucking is not Libertarian...it's Birchian. Being "wonderful" doesn't make Birchers Libertarian.

Oh yeah? why are almost all the Birchers I know libertarian, hmmm? How come all the main Paul supporters I know are also Birchers?
How come the JBS puts out the most libertarian based Congressional voting index? Birchers are not "copsuckers" they oppose any and all officials who do not follow the Constitution.

[otherone]

Oh yeah? why are almost all the Birchers I know libertarian, hmmm? How come all the main Paul supporters I know are also Birchers?
How come the JBS puts out the most libertarian based Congressional voting index? Birchers are not "copsuckers" they oppose any and all officials who do not follow the Constitution.

Robert Welch, the founder of the JBS, created the "Support Your Local Police" campaign which opposed civilian review boards to monitor police brutality.

[GunnyFreedom]

some of those "protocols" are WRONG. do you really think the kelly thomas thing was justified? this tell me that youre 1 of a few things....a troll, or a paid shill as i said earlier, or a cop who doesnt give a shit about being decent and doing things without abusing your power. you said you have cop friends? well, keep on listening to most of them and youll be ok with anything they do. dont forget, some cops are " in fear of their lives" when it comes to teenage girls with cell phones to. do you believe that bs?? youre ignored from here on. go away.

That was my breaking point. Anybody who seriously believes that the Kelly Thomas murder was just fine n dandy doesn't actually want liberty for anyone but themselves. That makes them no different than the myriad of establishment drones.

[orenbus]

I just want to add, although I'm sure I don't need to, but there are some good ones out there. How many I guess is a different question.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1G1IscWi58

[GunnyFreedom]

Robert Welch, the founder of the JBS, created the "Support Your Local Police" campaign which opposed civilian review boards to monitor police brutality.

I'm not saying I agree with it (I don't) but that actually makes sense if you examine it from the perspective of his political philosophy. He was a radical small-r republican as in Article 4 'republican form of government' kinda guy. Even then he construed it a bit wrong to be 'opposed to democracy' rather than merely 'different than democracy.' Everything he did (and the org itself is different than him) was towards this small-r republican end, where public input was only ever selecting your people and the only ever policy input was from those selected people. As with most philosophical forms, when everything gets taken to it's radical extremes, the entire thing becomes absurd, which may be more of an indictment of radicalism itself than of any one of the number of philosophies which inevitably fail, when taken radically.

[RandallFan]

Black Democrats support the law enforcement thuggery of John Shaft (fictional), Obama and Holder.

Obama's immigration directives, lawsuits and gun running inevitably leads to the death/s of mostly white/hispanic border agents. Black Congressional Democrats are defending it because it is black Obama against mostly white Republicans in the argument.

A racist black female cop in Jackson Mississippi voted for Thad Cochran because McDaniel was an evil white Tea Party member.

If Shaft was real, liberal blacks would support his lawless activity.

Because Police are mostly white it is more about race than police.

If police were shooting and arresting John Birchers for "racism" and thought crimes a lot of Black Democrats would support it.

"Darren Wilson is guilty because his mother was accused of fraud."

Zimmerman is guilty because he was accused of abuse and being a member of MS13.

[GunnyFreedom]

Black Democrats support the law enforcement thuggery of John Shaft (fictional), Obama and Holder.

Yes, but this happens because black and white people are constantly being given reasons to hate each other, and basically censored from seeing any reasons to empathise with, and love and accept one another. They are getting played just as hard as we are. Or we are getting played just as hard as they are. They aren't thoughtless, they are deceived. John Shaft is the ONLY guy who actually fights for them. Everyone else just wants to put them down so they won't bother anyone. Who the hell you going to vote for?

It's not the fault of the left-victims any more than it is the fault of the right-victims. It's the fault of the game they are playing on us to divide us. Don't break the players, break the game. :)

[kcchiefs6465]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvdBZ0jUc8

[jmdrake]

LOL - Yah, you got me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIdbxahGSwc

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

[otherone]

I'm not saying I agree with it (I don't) but that actually makes sense if you examine it from the perspective of his political philosophy. He was a radical small-r republican as in Article 4 'republican form of government' kinda guy. Even then he construed it a bit wrong to be 'opposed to democracy' rather than merely 'different than democracy.' Everything he did (and the org itself is different than him) was towards this small-r republican end, where public input was only ever selecting your people and the only ever policy input was from those selected people. As with most philosophical forms, when everything gets taken to it's radical extremes, the entire thing becomes absurd, which may be more of an indictment of radicalism itself than of any one of the number of philosophies which inevitably fail, when taken radically.

which is why I wrote:

You're confusing Libertarians with the John Birch Society.

The JBS are not libertarians. They are pro-police paleos obsessed with globalism/communism...and there are quite a few here. Not that I care; people are free to believe what they want.

[pcosmar]

That's about opposing Federal takeover of police... :rolleyes:

Too late,, by several decades. (1920s-30s)

JBS did not come till much later,, and though they are right about much,, They are also blind to some.

They still support authoritarianism.

[orenbus]

obsessed with globalism/communism

LOL that's true, the first Ron Paul Meetup I ever went to in 2007 was at a restaurant where we met for lunch, some of the guys from JBS was there as was some 9/11 truthers as well. The JBS had two thoughts on their mind that they kept going over and over and over, how Communism is the worlds greatest evil and it must be defeated and how Bill Clinton was a pervert, they couldn't stop talking about communism during the entire meeting.

[erowe1]

Mike Brown was a punk, a thug and an agitator. He broke the law so guess what ... People get pissed off when you agitate them. Don't break the law and don't steal and you won't have any problems ...and when you do, don't agitate people with guns. Nothing good will ever come out of it.

If that's all true, it still lends no support whatsoever to the claim made in the thread title.

[erowe1]

Like I said...copsucking is not Libertarian...it's Birchian. Being "wonderful" doesn't make Birchers Libertarian.

They're not Libertarian. They're a lot more libertarian than the Libertarians are.

[Cissy]

I won't call them any more because they're basically useless. Just three of my experiences here:


--Neighbor and I get into a verbal dispute (discussed in the Philip Sailors-Diaz thread). Neighbor kicks my rear when I leave. I turn around toward neighbor and he pulls a gun. Takes a shot at my feet. Wife insists on calling the police. They don't even go over the guy's house. Reason? I'm guessing it's because his daughter-in-law is in the department. I actually hear them talking in hushed tone about whether or not my neighbor is the same guy. I call them later to get the upshot. They never visit the guy. Their reason? "We got busy."
Learned that this guy likely poisoned two neighborhood dogs. One dog was owned by a tenant of this piece of crap.


--Car was stolen when I lived in another city. Police station is less than a mile away, but they don't even come out. They were not interested in learning any logistics of the crime. I basically phoned it in.


--Strange guy knocks on my door. Leaves quickly. I go outside to see his location. Neighbor has already called police because he has already knocked on her door. Learn that he's a down-and-out guy living in squalor down our road. Police come out. Frisk him like a criminal.
My wife later sees him a few weeks in the hospital where she works. He's in poor shape. Harmless as a turtle. Found out he was looking for something to eat the day he knocked on our door.

*Shakes head* "For I was hungry, and you gave me a 'knuckle sandwich' is NOT Christ's teaching. Wonder how many of those brave officers who attacked a harmless, hungry man were commended at a church service for all they do in service of God's kingdom and man's kingdom?

[Cissy]

damn that guy made a bad move. It looked like he was reaching in his vehicle for a gun. The cop did the right thing, he didn't wait to find out what he was pulling out of his vehicle.

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[Crashland]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

[GunnyFreedom]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

What service could these police of yours possibly provide to me, that would make it worth my being 500% more likely to die, simply because a bunch of armed ignoramuses are tromping all over my property probably destroying evidence? When I want to lay bricks I don't call a basketweaver. lol

[Occam's Banana]

What service could these police of yours possibly provide to me, that would make it worth my being 500% more likely to die, simply because a bunch of armed ignoramuses are tromping all over my property probably destroying evidence? When I want to lay bricks I don't call a basketweaver. lol

Especially when basketweavers can - with complete impunity, and in the name of "basketweaver safety" - beat or even kill you (or your dog) if you so much as twitch in a way they don't like ...

[GunnyFreedom]

Especially when basketweavers can - with complete impunity, and in the name of basketweaver safety - beat or even kill you (or your dog) if you so much as twitch in a way they don't like ...

LOL I know right? It goes further than their merely being really bad at what they are supposed to do, to the point where they can execute me on my own property with full immunity for no reason at all. Why in the hell would anyone want to invite such a thing into their lives?

[Cissy]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

Let's use an analogy.

If people were dinosaurs, the police would be like deinonychus, other government employees would be represented by various carnivores, and libertarians would be herbivores---deadly if provoked, but not hunters of their fellow creature.

Why do they chase non-violent people exceeding the speed limit? Hunting mentality---if it runs, it must be chased and brought down.

Why do they shoot dogs? Picking off an alert system is another hunting strategy---if you remove or scare off your prey's alert system (tick birds, "go-away" bird of Africa, etc.), then your prey is more vulnerable.

Why do they burst into houses in the middle of the night? Their target, their prey is likely sleeping and less likely to put up a fight.

They even have benefits above that of their carnivorous dinosaur compatriots---whereas a reasonable person would acknowledge Deinonychus' "right" (drive) to hunt and Triceratop's "right" (drive) to defend itself and its young as normal and expected; some even today would argue that we don't have a right to defend ourselves and our families from illegal, unlawful police activity.

If they want to play Deinonychus and sic their packs on law abiding Americans, then it is normal and natural for Americans to want to seek ways to protect themselves and their families from future attacks.

[Christian Liberty]

I agree. its really a sad day when so called libertarians (linos ... libertarians in name only) choose to support thugs over innocent cops.

What's an innocent cop? I feel like there's an oxymoron in there somewhere. Not supporting Brown, just...come on...

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

THIS ...

and I didn't know that there was such thing as a libertarian asshole until I posted this thread cause they came out of the woodwork.

The worst part of posting in this forum is the speculation that posters go into after you post an opinion. They really run away with bad ideas and ignorantly judge you without listening to your side. Most of the idiots here that responded to my opinions went way off the mark and overboard.

Ron Paul Forums = FAIL

[Christian Liberty]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

I wouldn't say "the devil", but they all have to enforce the laws on the books, and most of them aren't particularly useful when you need help. I'm not as anti-police as some here, but still...

I might call in an emergency, depending on the particulars. I wouldn't feel wonderful about it though.

[PaulConventionWV]

This is actually an anti-overreach position. Local as opposed to State and Federal. It's also a demonstration to the people they are trying to reach, "Hey look, those crazy progressives are lying to you, we aren't trying to abolish the entire government." It's basically an antifederalist argument dressed up as a 'we love the police' puff piece to obtain penetration. Pretty brilliant presentation, actually. :)

Ugh. I've heard about as much "penetration" talk as I can handle. Fuck the establishment. Don't pander to them. This doesn't accomplish anything. Brilliant as it may be, it changed my perception of the JBS. Thanks for sharing that photo, otherone. The police can't be localized because they exist, from their very inception, as an extension of the federal government.

I used to like JBS because they were the crazy ones, the ones who didn't go for that bullshit. Now they're just trying to blend in like everyone else. If the goal is to blend in, how are we supposed to stand out as a result? The whole strategy doesn't make any sense. Police are police, tax leeches who are funded by you to oppress you.

[PaulConventionWV]

Can we stop acting like all or most cops are the devil? You can show hundreds of Youtube videos of bad cops until you are blue in the face, but it does nothing to speak for the civility of most police officers. Just like I can show you hundreds of videos of libertarians being assholes doesn't make all or most libertarians assholes. Unless you live in a particularly bad area, being so paranoid of the police that you won't even call them in an emergency, is irrational.

"Most police officers"... really? At what point do we question the idea that "most" or even "half" of police officers are decent? From what I can tell, there's a lot of doubt as to whether that's really true or not.

And no... I'd rather not stop acting like all or most cops are the devil. They're a menace to society by their very nature. They exist solely to oppress us and they are funded with our stolen money.... so no, I'm not going to stop assuming that all police are bad until proven otherwise, just like I would take the same position about an invading army from another country.

[GunnyFreedom]

THIS ...

and I didn't know that there was such thing as a libertarian asshole until I posted this thread cause they came out of the woodwork.

The worst part of posting in this forum is the speculation that posters go into after you post an opinion. They really run away with bad ideas and ignorantly judge you without listening to your side. Most of the idiots here that responded to my opinions went way off the mark and overboard.

Ron Paul Forums = FAIL

Perhaps you just don't understand what a libertarian is. Ain't nary a one real libertarian in the world what would say Kelly Thomas had it coming. So maybe it's just you who is in the wrong place, rather than all of us. :)

[Crashland]

THIS ...

and I didn't know that there was such thing as a libertarian asshole until I posted this thread cause they came out of the woodwork.

The worst part of posting in this forum is the speculation that posters go into after you post an opinion. They really run away with bad ideas and ignorantly judge you without listening to your side. Most of the idiots here that responded to my opinions went way off the mark and overboard.

Ron Paul Forums = FAIL

I get your point, but I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to you? Everyone knows libertarians as a whole have been known for having big issues with the police. You're bound to get resistance here anytime you say anything at all positive about a police officer.

[Crashland]

"Most police officers"... really? At what point do we question the idea that "most" or even "half" of police officers are decent? From what I can tell, there's a lot of doubt as to whether that's really true or not.

And no... I'd rather not stop acting like all or most cops are the devil. They're a menace to society by their very nature. They exist solely to oppress us and they are funded with our stolen money.... so no, I'm not going to stop assuming that all police are bad until proven otherwise, just like I would take the same position about an invading army from another country.

I think you and the majority of posters here are out to lunch on this one. You are greatly exaggerating the problem. When your local government spends tax dollars on a police department it is not stolen money and it is a perfectly legitimate expense, unless you consider yourself an anarchist. If you have a problem with police procedures, then that's the fault of your own community.

[GunnyFreedom]

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[GunnyFreedom]

I get your point, but I'm not sure why this would be a surprise to you? Everyone knows libertarians as a whole have been known for having big issues with the police. You're bound to get resistance here anytime you say anything at all positive about a police officer.

Not really true. Positive police stories are shared here, and I reshare them. what we don't have is an unquestioning non-cynical view of the police. We view them as the compliance arm of biggovernment and we do not want biggovernment. There are people in the liberty movement actively promoting constitutionalist cops. Abuse watchdog CopBlock .org posts up positive stories all the time, which I share.

We don't hate good cops, we only hate bad cops. Problem is the only good cops left are outnumbered something like 200 to 1, so I can understand why it would look that way to some.

[orenbus]

Not really true. Positive police stories are shared here, and I reshare them. what we don't have is an unquestioning non-cynical view of the police. We view them as the compliance arm of biggovernment and we do not want biggovernment. There are people in the liberty movement actively promoting constitutionalist cops. Abuse watchdog CopBlock .org posts up positive stories all the time, which I share.

We don't hate good cops, we only hate bad cops. Problem is the only good cops left are outnumbered something like 200 to 1, so I can understand why it would look that way to some.

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[Crashland]

Not really true. Positive police stories are shared here, and I reshare them. what we don't have is an unquestioning non-cynical view of the police. We view them as the compliance arm of biggovernment and we do not want biggovernment. There are people in the liberty movement actively promoting constitutionalist cops. Abuse watchdog CopBlock .org posts up positive stories all the time, which I share.

We don't hate good cops, we only hate bad cops. Problem is the only good cops left are outnumbered something like 200 to 1, so I can understand why it would look that way to some.

200 to 1 bad cop to good cop ratio is an outrageous distortion of the facts.

[Cissy]

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