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enhanced_deficit
11-26-2014, 04:39 PM
Ferguson violence highlights 'massive' US problems: Russia


The statement also said that the US should focus more on its own shortcomings instead of getting involved in the mentoring of other nations

AFP/PTI | Moscow November 26, 2014 Last Updated at 01:42 IST
Russia said today that the racial unrest in the US town of Ferguson highlighted 'massive' domestic problems in America that stemmed from Washington's failure to respect human rights.

"The latest events in Ferguson are another and very worrying signal to the American authorities indicating that it is finally time for them to focus on massive domestic problems in the field of ensuring human rights," the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/russia-says-ferguson-violence-highlights-massive-us-problems-114112600038_1.html


France’s black justice minister slams U.S. racism after Ferguson

As countless Americans fumed over what they saw as a lack of justice in Ferguson, Mo. — where a grand jury opted to not indict a white police officer who had gunned down unarmed black teenager Michael Brown — the French justice minister joined the chorus of outrage.
On her Twitter account, Justice Minister Christiane Taubira wrote first in French: "Michael Brown, racial profiling, social exclusion, territorial segregation, cultural marginalization, guns, fear, fatal cocktail!"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/25/frances-black-justice-minister-slams-u-s-racism-after-ferguson/

Freedom spreading backfire.

FindLiberty
11-26-2014, 04:50 PM
It's nice to see those other countries share their concerns
about "race" and any other problems that we might have!

But I hope they don't sent any "Freedom Bombs" our way,
because our infrastructure is in bad enough shape already!

Sending in UN troops to supervise our democratic elections,
the rampant corruption in the US and the issue of politicians
"buying votes" are all other matters to consider before just
saying, "No Thanks" to all possible forms of additional help.

Natural Citizen
11-26-2014, 05:06 PM
Is an interesting point (or more of a phenomenon) that you share here, enhanced_deficit. If we take step back and look at the broader playing field of nations at the geo-political level, we see that many nations are "concerned" with the U.S. human rights violations. Now, this extends and we see the model used, in part, to support what these same nations (and there are a few big ones) are doing economically and infrastructurally. As well, we're seeing that extend to some interesting mergers.

Zippyjuan
11-26-2014, 09:48 PM
Yeah because Russia has such a stellar record of human rights themselves.

brushfire
11-26-2014, 09:56 PM
Well at least our blacks can wear burqas, if they want to.

Natural Citizen
11-27-2014, 09:27 PM
Yeah because Russia has such a stellar record of human rights themselves.

What do you think about this, Zip? Think, now. I'm genuinely interested in your assessment of what you're reading here if you decide to have a read. It's one of those scribbles where you have to kind of understand/decipher the old "in other words" gag her from Le Pen . I think that it is monumentally significant. It's huge. But I say this for a few reasons. What would you interpret from this paper?

It's not a challenge or anything. I'm not going to debate you on it or anything like that.

Here you go... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-25/here-comes-france-right-wing-leader-marine-le-pen-demands-central-bank-repatriate-fr

There are quite a bit of intricates here but I'd focus on this being the mosdt important thing that is said...


In monetary Cold War played between the Western countries and the BRICS countries, gold gradually takes an important role. According to the World Gold Council, China's official gold reserves, India and Russia have increased significantly between 2007 and 2013.
For these reasons and because of the rapid growth of global systemic risk, it is of utmost importance to the future solvency of our nation to engage, by mid-2015, a detailed audit procedure, the results will be the subject of a report. This report must obtain validation of French macro-prudential authorities, ACPR, and will be made public in the year.

This comprehensive audit should contain:


A complete inventory of physical gold amounts to 2435 tons currently displayed and their quality (serial number, purity, bars 'Good Delivery' ...), conducted by an independent French body (to be defined). This inventory, under supervision of a bailiff, must indicate the country in which the gold reserves are stored in France or abroad.
A census of all formal financial employment agreement or secret vis-à-vis private banks and corporations, or bilateral loan between France and national and international institutions, having pawned the gold of France to ensure rescue of the euro. In this case, the comprehensive audit should contain the conditions of agreement or loans.



If she gets elected, it's on like Donkey Kong, I think. She'll stick to this. Of course, it's only one aspect of the paper. We must decipher context throughout.

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2014, 01:18 PM
Yeah because Russia has such a stellar record of human rights themselves.

Is u implying that countries without "a stellar record of human rights" can't question other countries on rights issues?
Deliberate before ye answer, there may be follow up Q.

maybemaybenot
11-28-2014, 03:23 PM
Is u implying that countries without "a stellar record of human rights" can't question other countries on rights issues?
Deliberate before ye answer, there may be follow up Q.

No, he's saying there's zero honesty or credibility behind it. Just say it yourself, you're not helping your argument by saying "Putin says it too." Putin suppresses freedom of expression. He doesn't understand basic human rights. He only said this to take a shot at the US, to help his own political goals.

enhanced_deficit
11-28-2014, 03:35 PM
No, he's saying there's zero honesty or credibility behind it. Just say it yourself, you're not helping your argument by saying "Putin says it too." Putin suppresses freedom of expression. He doesn't understand basic human rights. He only said this to take a shot at the US, to help his own political goals.

I'm not a fan of either but have a question for you - who is more honest/has more credibility in your view, Putin or disgraced (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433586-Majority-of-Americans-now-believe-Obama-is-quot-dishonest-and-untrustworthy) dronegangsta?

BTW, there was no credibility problem with lecture from France?

invisible
11-28-2014, 03:48 PM
Is u implying that countries without "a stellar record of human rights" can't question other countries on rights issues?
Deliberate before ye answer, there may be follow up Q.

I feel that rather than the implication you mention, the whole point (whether intended by Zippy or not) is that for decades, the US has been pointing fingers at various countries (China, various arab countries, N Korea, Russia, S Africa, Germany, etc, etc) and talking about their various human rights violations. Now those countries are starting to call the US hypocrisy out, and point that very same finger back at the US. I'm surprised it's taken them all this long.

69360
11-28-2014, 04:19 PM
Yeah because Russia has such a perfect human rights record and France isn't the most racist country in Europe. People in glass houses...

ifthenwouldi
11-28-2014, 04:19 PM
who is more honest/has more credibility in your view, Putin or disgraced dronegangsta?

Both lack credibility. Arguing over which is "more" credible is a waste of time.

libertarianinternational
11-28-2014, 04:26 PM
France, of course, has no race problem:

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Lftkov7mhOkNlvBqJuowxA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0xMDI0O3E9Nzk7dz0xNT M2/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/2a1b7483518c711c5a0f6a7067000537.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/K0aeG.jpg

http://americanfreepress.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Racism-and-the-Media.jpg

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2195850161.jpg

acptulsa
11-28-2014, 04:58 PM
I feel that rather than the implication you mention, the whole point (whether intended by Zippy or not) is that for decades, the US has been pointing fingers at various countries (China, various arab countries, N Korea, Russia, S Africa, Germany, etc, etc) and talking about their various human rights violations. Now those countries are starting to call the US hypocrisy out, and point that very same finger back at the US. I'm surprised it's taken them all this long.

Well, before the trollish behaviorists bury this post by blathering on for seven more pages, I think I'll just quote this for truth.


Yeah because Russia has such a perfect human rights record and France isn't the most racist country in Europe. People in glass houses...

And do you think the kettle would be calling the pot black if the pot had not already called everything from the kettle to the soup spoons black...?

LibForestPaul
11-28-2014, 05:10 PM
There is no Russia, nor France, nor UK nor US.

heavenlyboy34
11-28-2014, 05:40 PM
There is no Russia, nor France, nor UK nor US.

http://lifeafterpurchase.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/mind-blown.jpg

Zippyjuan
11-28-2014, 08:09 PM
One world Mon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXRi5TaWlc

PaulConventionWV
11-28-2014, 11:28 PM
Why haven't we invaded those countries yet? Seems like they could use a healthy dose of 'Merican democracy.

It's always funny when Russia starts lecturing America on human rights. What's even funnier is when you realize that they're well within their rights to do that and it's completely reasonable.

PaulConventionWV
11-28-2014, 11:32 PM
Yeah because Russia has such a stellar record of human rights themselves.

That's what's funny about it. It's not the fact that they seem like hypocrites. It's the fact that they don't.

PaulConventionWV
11-28-2014, 11:41 PM
Who has the better record on human rights and race relations? Russia, USA, or France? I'm really not sure. Are you? You would be a fool to assume that the USA is at the top of those categories.

Zippyjuan
11-29-2014, 01:03 PM
Here is a map with human rights rankings. http://maplecroft.com/portfolio/new-analysis/2013/12/04/70-increase-countries-identified-extreme-risk-human-rights-2008-bhuman-rights-risk-atlas-2014b/

http://maplecroft.com/media/updatable/news/hrri_map_2014.jpg


Maplecroft’s Human Rights Risk Atlas analyses the frequency, severity and complicity risk in 31 categories of human rights across 197 countries. This allows Maplecroft to monitor detailed human rights violations in key growth economies since 2008. Countries such as Iraq (7th), Nigeria (10th), China (15th), Bangladesh (17th), India (18th), Colombia (26th) Philippines (27th), Ethiopia (28th), Indonesia (30th) and Saudi Arabia (31st) have experienced increased human rights risks since 2008.



Red is "extreme" risk. Orange "high". Yellow "medium", Green "low", and Grey "no data".

According to Freedom House: https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2014#.VHoZFtLF8xg


Eurasia
Eurasia continues to be one of the most repressive areas in the world. Three of its countries—Belarus, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan—are among the worst-rated. Russia intensified domestic persecution of political opponents and vulnerable minority groups in 2013. Gains: None. Declines: Azerbaijan suffered a downgrade in its civil liberties rating due to blatant property rights violations by the government.


Russian Score:

2014 SCORES
STATUS
Not Free
FREEDOM RATING
(1 = BEST, 7 = WORST)
5.5
CIVIL LIBERTIES
(1 = BEST, 7 = WORST)
5
POLITICAL RIGHTS
(1 = BEST, 7 = WORST)
6

(US is listed as "free" and gets a "1" in all categories).

https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2014/russia-0#.VHoZhdLF8xg


President Vladimir Putin devoted 2013 to strengthening his grip on power and eliminating any potential opposition. The government enforced a series of harsh laws passed the previous year in response to massive opposition protests in December 2011 and May 2012. Among other restrictions, the laws increased controls on the internet, dramatically hiked fines for participating in unsanctioned street protests, expanded the definition of treason, and branded nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) that accepted foreign grants and engaged in vaguely defined “political activities” as “foreign agents.” Although the authorities applied these measures with varying degrees of zeal, and even suffered some setbacks in the Constitutional Court, they repeatedly made it clear that they had the discretion to interpret the laws, and that members of civil society were always vulnerable.

More at link.

acptulsa
11-29-2014, 01:39 PM
(US is listed as "free" and gets a "1" in all categories).

Despite having a huge prison population--and then gets shown on the map as yellow, which means 'medium risk'.

Yes, this is about the quality of information we've come to expect from Z2.0.

Zippyjuan
11-29-2014, 01:50 PM
Despite having a huge prison population--and then gets shown on the map as yellow, which means 'medium risk'.

Yes, this is about the quality of information we've come to expect from Z2.0.

Would you have found the chart more believable if it said the US was "perfect" in terms of human rights?

Do you have any alternative information to add?

acptulsa
11-29-2014, 02:08 PM
Do you have any alternative information to add?

You're asking if I can come up with a source of propaganda that doesn't flatly contradict its own map graphic?

Probably. But no one's paying me to post propaganda for you.

Zippyjuan
11-29-2014, 02:20 PM
I see. You don't have anything to share. Thanks anyways!

acptulsa
11-29-2014, 02:33 PM
I see. You don't have anything to share. Thanks anyways!

There are no more sour grapes than those of the debunked...

Zippyjuan
11-29-2014, 02:56 PM
What was debunked? I must have missed it in your posts. Very well hidden I guess. Nice try though.

Ronin Truth
11-29-2014, 03:42 PM
It really disturbs me when whole countries are troubled. :p