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James R
12-03-2007, 09:13 AM
Do you support any state social programs?

Medical Help?
School Scholarships?
Anything?

pcosmar
12-03-2007, 09:15 AM
Do you support any state social programs?

Medical Help?
School Scholarships?
Anything?

NOT BY CHOICE.
My money is taken forcibly.

noxagol
12-03-2007, 12:41 PM
No. The only things the government should do is enforce the law, and the law defines violations of rights (well, it should), and protect its people from outside invasion, that's it. The government cannot help a person without taking from another. When that starts, the battle for the pie begins.

hawkeyenick
12-03-2007, 12:43 PM
Last resort help, that's it.

I'm talking education for the poor, and medical help. We need to fix both systems though.

apc3161
12-03-2007, 02:39 PM
I like to think that I donate a lot of money every year, and I am glad to do so. It is definitley the moral responsibility for the well off to help those in need.

However, I have a big problem with the government forcing me to give to charity at gunpoint! Also, somehow they think they have the authority to decide which charities are worthwhile and which are not. I have a big problem with that.

hawkeyenick
12-03-2007, 02:41 PM
I like to think that I donate a lot of money every year, and I am glad to do so. It is definitley the moral responsibility for the well off to help those in need.

However, I have a big problem with the government forcing me to give to charity at gunpoint! Also, somehow they think they have the authority to decide which charities are worthwhile and which are not. I have a big problem with that.

No it's not, but it's damn nice when they do. Which is why creating a culture of giving works.

rodent
12-03-2007, 03:25 PM
Do you support any state social programs?

Medical Help?
School Scholarships?
Anything?

No one talks about this, but I hate the fact that we can't run our own lotteries.

However, I do like the state lottery system. It's fun when the pots get really huge and it helps people in need.

murrayrothbard
12-03-2007, 03:36 PM
No. The only things the government should do is enforce the law, and the law defines violations of rights (well, it should), and protect its people from outside invasion, that's it. The government cannot help a person without taking from another. When that starts, the battle for the pie begins.

Only problem with this is that the government by its very nature must necessarily violate they very rights it is supposed to protect...

golfboy
12-03-2007, 03:50 PM
where does the ADA fit in?

School would be nearly impossible for me without a sign langauge interpreter, which is paid for by the school (and through government grants i believe).

I disagree with most socialist policies...i've recieved the byrd scholarship which is a government paid scholarship...so i guess i do benefit from them.

I can see a lot of stuff like this going away, but what about ADA support?

AlexMerced
12-03-2007, 04:25 PM
state programs are awhole different ball game, I'm i the business of taking care of federal first.

noxagol
12-03-2007, 05:07 PM
where does the ADA fit in?

School would be nearly impossible for me without a sign langauge interpreter, which is paid for by the school (and through government grants i believe).

I disagree with most socialist policies...i've recieved the byrd scholarship which is a government paid scholarship...so i guess i do benefit from them.

I can see a lot of stuff like this going away, but what about ADA support?

There is a lot that goes into all of this, and it all stems from government intervention. I would have to right a novel to get down to saying you need the government assistance because the government has caused you to need its assistance. It is a very integrated issue.

James R
12-06-2007, 07:04 PM
No. The only things the government should do is enforce the law, and the law defines violations of rights (well, it should), and protect its people from outside invasion, that's it. The government cannot help a person without taking from another. When that starts, the battle for the pie begins.

I'm in favor of any state-run social program that has a return on investment. Education has a return on investment, so I support it. In fact, I very strongly support it. Career centers may or may not also produce a return on investment.

If the federal department of education produced an ROI then I'd support that too, but as its stands its just a garbage dump for our hard earned tax dollars.

SeanEdwards
12-06-2007, 07:20 PM
I can support all kinds of socially oriented expenditures of tax money, but I'm not so keen on structuring the system in terms of entitlements. I have no problem with tax dollars being used to endow charity hospitals, as an example, but I don't think people should expect that they have a 'right' to free health care. Libraries are another good use of tax dollars in my opinion. They help make knowledge available to everyone, which is a good thing, but I have no entitlement to exactly the books I want at any given time.

The only entitlement government should recognize is the right to live and be free. You don't have a right to a house, or a meal, or a job, or an education, or medical care, or automotive maintenance, or debt bailouts on your bad mortgage contract. I think useful community services can exist and be paid for with tax dollars as long as they are aimed at the community and not crafted as entitlements to select groups of individuals.

Matt Collins
12-06-2007, 09:57 PM
I am amazed at how many people here have said "yes" to this

noxagol
12-06-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm in favor of any state-run social program that has a return on investment. Education has a return on investment, so I support it. In fact, I very strongly support it. Career centers may or may not also produce a return on investment.

If the federal department of education produced an ROI then I'd support that too, but as its stands its just a garbage dump for our hard earned tax dollars.

The free market would handle all of those better and the return would be much greater and the investment much less.

niknakwest
12-06-2007, 10:10 PM
I am amazed at how many people here have said "yes" to this

srsly. :confused:

Matt Collins
12-06-2007, 10:21 PM
However, I do like the state lottery system. It's fun when the pots get really huge and it helps people in need.
Lotteries are a scam just like casino gambling.


First and foremost, the lotto usually only pays out about 40% of earnings. Secondly, if you look at the zip codes where most lotto tickets are purchased from, and then look at the zip codes where the scholarships go to, and you'll find that most lotto programs are nothing more than a way to transfer money from the mid and low class to the upper and middle class.

I look at it as a voluntary tax which is good, however I dont think the government should be instituting a gambling operation and they should ABSOLUTELY not hold a monopoly on it.

sharedvoice
12-06-2007, 11:12 PM
Do you support any state social programs?

Medical Help?
School Scholarships?
Anything?

VA Benefits on a State Level that is about it, but I do have compassion for those in unpredictable difficult situations. That's what being a good neighbor and a friend is all about though.