Obama: Can't defeat ISIS without removing Assad from power

[devil21]

Not that this was any big surprise for those paying attention but here comes the next step in overthrowing the Syrian government under the fake story of "fighting ISIS".

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-seeks-review-syria-strategy-sees-assad-removal-013916944.html


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama wants his advisers to review the administration's Syria policy after determining it may not be possible to defeat Islamic State militants without removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, CNN reported on Wednesday.

Citing senior U.S. officials, the network said Obama's national security team held four meetings in the past week that were driven by how the administration's Syria strategy fit into its campaign against Islamic State, which has seized large parts of Syria and Iraq.

"The president has asked us to look again at how this fits together," CNN quoted one senior official as saying. "The long-running Syria problem is now compounded by the reality that to genuinely defeat ISIL, we need not only a defeat in Iraq but a defeat in Syria." ISIL is another acronym for Islamic State.

A White House National Security Council official told Reuters: "The strategy with respect to Syria has not changed."

The official said Obama's national security team "meets frequently to determine how best to carry out the strategy he set forth to counter ISIL in Iraq and Syria through several military and non-military lines of effort."

"While the immediate focus remains to drive ISIL out of Iraq, we and coalition partners will continue to strike at ISIL in Syria to deny them safe haven and to disrupt their ability to project power," the official added.

Noting that Obama had made clear Assad had lost his legitimacy, the official said: "Alongside our efforts to isolate and sanction the Assad regime, we are working with our allies to strengthen the moderate opposition."
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Another big thank you to Gen. Wesley Clark for spilling the beans about the plan years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

[devil21]

I remember a couple years ago Lindsey Graham publicly stated that Tel Aviv would completely control our military, by law. Seems he was right. Now I can't find that news item anywhere.

[anaconda]

Even though they are adversarial? LOL. Doesn't Barry ever get tired of the talking points handed to him by his handlers?

[ClydeCoulter]

Noting that Obama had made clear Assad had lost his legitimacy ...

As much as our own regime here?

[Influenza]

http://theislefullofnoises.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/a17b2-it-begins.gif
Yet again .......

[AngryCanadian]

Lets still hope this doesn't happen, as Russia and Iran both back Assad. Syria isn't Libya.

[Spikender]

As much as our own regime here?

Seriously fuck them.

They're just knocking over everyone and there's nary a peep from the populace here. Truth is, our fellow mundanes are going to eat this shit up.

[Miss Annie]

Obama can't defeat ISIS because he won't partner with Assad and Putin.

[Brian4Liberty]

So once Assad is removed, ISIS will just go away?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-G0bkl8MQ

[AngryCanadian]

Obama can't defeat ISIS because he won't partner with Assad and Putin.

Then he can forget the deal with Iran on the nuclear power plant. But since this was from Yahoo. I would be careful on buying it.

[devil21]

Lets still hope this doesn't happen, as Russia and Iran both back Assad. Syria isn't Libya.

The people of Russia and Iran back Assad. Putin and the Ayatollah act like they do but don't give a rat's ass about Assad, his government, or his people. That is an important distinction to make!

[juleswin]

Obama can't defeat ISIS because he won't partner with Assad and Putin.


Lets still hope this doesn't happen, as Russia and Iran both back Assad. Syria isn't Libya.

Doubly agree. I hope the Syrians defeat ISIS themselves and if they cannot, lets hope Russia speaks up and prevents another Libyan fiasco in Syria

[juleswin]

double post

[Working Poor]

I can't believe that all these terrorist are killing regular people i can't understand why they are not going after the people who really have the power.

[AngryCanadian]

The people of Russia and Iran back Assad. Putin and the Ayatollah act like they do but don't give a rat's ass about Assad, his government, or his people. That is an important distinction to make!

Iran has a contract with Syria, so again let me remind Syria isn't Libya. If you thought that the chaos in Libya is worse off now just wait after AMERICA THE GREAT removes Assad.

Libya's chaos wont match the chaos in Iraq not to mention ASSAD is the only one whom has being protecting Christians. If ASSAD goes so do the Christians. And its last population in the region.

Assad is not even a Sunni nor a Shia, yet Shia support Assad, sunnis love there Sunni regime states in the gulf states.

[jmdrake]

So once Assad is removed, ISIS will just go away?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-G0bkl8MQ

Sure. ISIS will go away......until the CIA needs them again.

[green73]

This would be LOL if it weren't so tragic.

[pcosmar]

Sure. ISIS will go away......until the CIA needs them again.

Or they are re-named in their next incarnation.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Israel cannot get their "Levant" and the Oil/Gas pipelines without US taxpayers wasting their money and blood overthrowing Syria. BTW, over 10 million displaced by the CIA-MOSSAD-Mi6 operations. So how many refugees did the compassionate Apartheid-Racist state of Israel take in to help? Especially after the US Interventionist for helping the world, with $10-12 Billion a year in USAID/assistance given to Israel? All you need to know...

Libya: PART DEUX

Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: "It's great to be back here at the Council on Foreign Relations, who we take our marching orders from..."

Al-Masdar News claimed to have exclusive details on the emerging peace proposal.

almasdarnews.com (http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/exclusive-aleppo-ceasefire-proposal-details-revealed/)
Sources close to Al-Masdar News have revealed portions of the proposal presented to Dr. Bashar Al-Assad, including specific areas that would be affected by this contingency. The source stated the proposal outlined a deal involving the Islamic Front (Jabhat Al-Islamiyya) and the SAA to adhere to a ceasefire inside the city of Aleppo; specifically, in the Hanano, Bani Zaid, Salahaddeen, Al-Ramouseh, Handarat, Sheikh Sa’eed, and Al-Layramoun Districts. The only area that was not mentioned in the proposal was the YPG-controlled Sheikh Miskeen District; it is likely due to the lack of hostilities in this area.
Similar to the ceasefire agreement in the Old Homs Quarter, the SAA will allow for the militants to leave the city of Aleppo without any violent confrontation and to provide them transportation. The militants from the Islamic Front will be required to give-up their weapons before they are mass transported to areas on the Turkish border with Aleppo. Upon their absence from the city of Aleppo, the SAA will have to allow U.N. groups inside the war-torn areas, while the former is allowed to reestablish checkpoints inside the once militant-controlled districts in the city.

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The number of people internally displaced in Syria and Iraq as a result of the conflict is more than 3 times higher, estimated at over 10 million.
Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/world/un-calls-to-west-as-136-million-are-displaced-in-iraq-and-syria-20141112-11l9ly.html)
The 13.6 million include 7.2 million displaced within Syria as well as the 3.3 million Syrian refugees who have fled to neighbouring countries or further afield, the UN said.
At least 1.9 million people in Iraq have been displaced as militants from the Islamic State attack cities and towns through the north and west, adding to the 1 million previously displaced. A further 190,000 have left the country to seek safety, the United Nations said on Tuesday in Geneva.

The figures were released amid warnings of looming food supply crises as well as the beginning of winter and the rainy season in the country. The UN is gearing up for relief efforts to target the 3 million plus refugees with a “winterization” plan including blankets, warm clothing and more.
The latest reports have been focused on renewed international efforts at a long term peace solution. A major factor in the negotiations is euphemistically referred to as “stopping terrorism” which has become a blanket term for the amorphous disruptions by various factions with operational support from hidden hands.
According to Russian and UN sources, the agenda of the conference to be held between the two sides includes establishing a transitional Syrian government with extensive powers while maintaining Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s authority over the army and security institutions. The government is to include representatives of the regime and opposition figures, such as Khatib and Jamil, and to be led by an “unprovocative” figure. The mission of the government will include creating a constituent body, either elected or appointed, that will radically amend the Syrian constitution. About two years after establishing the transitional government, parliamentary elections can take place followed by a presidential election that Assad can run in.
The Russians and the Egyptians are counting on the fact that the goal of this initiative is to push the political process forward. They believe that fighting terrorism is currently a priority in Syria and that the success of this process requires mobilizing the greatest possible number of national forces to confront ISIS, al-Nusra Front and other al-Qaida-style organizations.

Al-Masdar News claimed to have exclusive details on the emerging peace proposal.

http://wtfrly.com/2014/11/12/over-3-million-refugees-fled-syria-10-million-displaced-new-peace-plan/#.VGTKOrT1hhE

[S.Shorland]

From my thread: 'The lion's last Roar'
I hesitated to post but it serves as a 'heads up' so why not
The recent two-part BBC programme 'The Lion's Last Roar'. It was powerful in its truth telling about mistakes in policy and featured the highest grade of politician.So truthful that I wondered what was behind it.In the ending of the second episode it became clear: Has Old England still got the guts to take on a future war and prosecute it no matter what the cost.It seemed to be pointing to near term military necessities imo.I'd love to know who and how it got made ! You'll have to find a way to view it on BBC iplayer which only accepts uk residents I believe and we may have exceeded the playback time limit.

[Occam's Banana]

So once Assad is removed, ISIS will just go away?

Yes! Exactly! And the "moderate opposition" (no doubt vetted by John McCain his very own self) will be installed in power, thereby ushering in an era of stability, peace, democracy and assorted other goodnesses.

You know - just like how the same thing happened in Iraq ...

[DFF]

Wars against Arab countries won't stop until AIPAC and all the other Zionist lobbies are banned from donating money to US politicians.

I would include the military-industrial complex also; they benefit heavily from these wars, so their lobbying needs to be stopped as well.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes! Exactly! And the "moderate opposition" (no doubt vetted by John McCain his very own self) will be installed in power, thereby ushering in an era of stability, peace, democracy and assorted other goodnesses.

You know - just like how the same thing happened in Iraq ...

And they will pay us back in oil for all of the money that US taxpayers contributed! What a deal!

[Brian4Liberty]

This is getting ridiculous. So Obama wants to focus on taking out Assad, and ISIS and Al Qaeda are uniting to fight the Kurds and US backed rebels.

Is Obama a member of ISIS?


ISIS, Al Qaeda reportedly reach accord in Syria
Published November 13, 2014

ISTANBUL – Militant leaders from the Islamic State group and Al Qaeda gathered at a farm house in northern Syria last week and agreed on a plan to stop fighting each other and work together against their opponents, a high-level Syrian opposition official and a rebel commander have told The Associated Press.

Such an accord could present new difficulties for Washington's strategy against the IS group. While warplanes from a U.S.-led coalition strike militants from the air, the Obama administration has counted on arming "moderate" rebel factions to push them back on the ground. Those rebels, already considered relatively weak and disorganized, would face far stronger opposition if the two heavy-hitting militant groups now are working together.

IS -- the group that has seized nearly a third of Syria and Iraq with a campaign of brutality and beheadings this year -- and Al Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, known as the Nusra Front, have fought each other bitterly for more than a year to dominate the rebellion against Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The Associated Press reported late last month on signs that the two groups appear to have curtailed their feud with informal local truces. Their new agreement, according to the sources in rebel groups opposed to both IS and Nusra Front, would involve a promise to stop fighting and team up in attacks in some areas of northern Syria.
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According to Abu Musafer, two decisions were reached: First, to halt infighting between Nusra and IS and second, for the groups together to open up fronts against Kurdish fighters in a couple of new areas of northern Syria.
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The official said IS and the Nusra Front agreed to work to destroy the Syrian Revolutionaries Front, a prominent rebel faction armed and trained by the United States and led by a fighter named Jamal Maarouf. They agreed to keep fighting until all of the force, estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 fighters, was eliminated, the official said.

During the meeting, IS also offered to send extra fighters to Nusra Front for an assault it launched last week on Western-backed rebels from the Hazm Movement near the town of Khan al-Sunbul in northern Syria, the official said.
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More:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/11/13/isis-al-qaeda-reportedly-reach-accord-in-syria/

[Miss Annie]

This is getting ridiculous. So Obama wants to focus on taking out Assad, and ISIS and Al Qaeda are uniting to fight the Kurds and US backed rebels.

Is Obama a member of ISIS?

The hammer is getting closer to the head of the nail. ;)

[HOLLYWOOD]

This is getting ridiculous. So Obama wants to focus on taking out Assad, and ISIS and Al Qaeda are uniting to fight the Kurds and US backed rebels.

Is Obama a member of ISIS?Everything of Government public announcements are rehearsed and broadcasted for a reason... Assad and the government forces are kicking ass against the CIA-MOSSAD rebels. Can't allow that to progress any further, else the whole game plan fails. Turkey's false flags didn't work, the Chemical poisoning of innocent people False Flag failed, the Syrian Chemical Weapons stockpiles False Flags didn't work.

Now the Marionette-In-Chief, barks the next False Flag for intervention/invasion/assassinations... ISIS & Al CIAda have joined forces, but have lost Aleppo, threatening the entire Billions spent in the subversive terrorist war, so of course Obama and his Masters need to attack Assad... If Assad's military captures the country back, the entire TOP SECRET-ESI game plan will be revealed. Can't let the world, especially US taxpayers, know what this brutal, rouge, and co-opted government is causing around the world.

[Zippyjuan]

So once Assad is removed, ISIS will just go away?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-G0bkl8MQ

If he removes Assad, ISIS will be the ones in control of Syria. (love that movie)

[devil21]

Fox News is definitely running with it, now that the Senate has officially flipped back to the GOP with the leadership change. US boots on the ground in Iraq coming up, then the narrative will change to those US troops will have to go into Syria to hunt down 'ISIS'. (just a tiny little bit of Syria on extremely targeted missions, not an invasion, of course....)

Gen Dempsey: US troops could fight with Iraqis in war against ISIS
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/13/dempsey-us-troops-could-fight-alongside-iraqi-forces-in-war-against-isis/

What war? I see no declaration of war.

[vita3]

If Assad is removed from power, Obama should also be removed.

Absolute insanity & reckless ME policy to remove the no#1 fighter of ISIS & a reasonable strong man who has his Countries popular support.

Really need a Liberty minded politican to start saying this out loud.

[pcosmar]

If Assad is removed from power, Obama should also be removed.


You think it's bad now,, wait till an "R" gets that seat again. (remember the Bush's ? )

Very likely will be another one. (JEB)

[vita3]

Jeb Bush has NO CHANCE to be our President.

Come on'

[navy-vet]

Jeb Bush has NO CHANCE to be our President.

Come on'
I sure hope not.

[vita3]

Taking Foreign$$$ is going to be a real issue in 2016.

Bush's took way too much Saudi $$$$.

[DFF]

Jeb Bush has NO CHANCE to be our President.

Come on'

With Diebold, there's always a chance.

[Brett85]

Lol. ISIS would completely take over the entire country if Assad were removed from power. They would have the opportunity to set up their own government. These people are either delusional or intentionally evil.

[acptulsa]

Lol. ISIS would completely take over the entire country if Assad were removed from power. They would have the opportunity to set up their own government. These people are either delusional or intentionally evil.

How about both?

Intentionally evil enough to create an ISAL CIAda and delusional enough to think it will remain their puppet forever.

[pcosmar]

Jeb Bush has NO CHANCE to be our President.

Come on'

As good a chance as a previously unknown "Constitutional scholar" had.

Watch and see.. Maybe it will be another "D",, But JEB is going to be the "R" choice. (barring something unforeseen)

Hell,, maybe Romney will run as the Democrat that he is.

[vita3]

Pcosmar,

How about we make a wager
on that? I have a bush NOT being the Republican choice.

[Dary]

Pcosmar,

How about we make a wager
on that? I have a bush NOT being the Republican choice.
What would be the stakes and odds? Would you two be taking any side bets?

[alucard13mm]

I have a bad feeling about this... NATO/USA will let Russia take East Ukraine. Russia will let USA/NATO bomb Syria or take out Assad.

[AngryCanadian]

I have a bad feeling about this... NATO/USA will let Russia take East Ukraine. Russia will let USA/NATO bomb Syria or take out Assad.

Don't see that happening.

[S.Shorland]

UK seeking 'anyone with a pulse' for reserves:
http://rt.com/uk/205523-army-reserve-recruitment-shocking/

[AngryCanadian]

The people of Russia and Iran back Assad. Putin and the Ayatollah act like they do but don't give a rat's ass about Assad, his government, or his people. That is an important distinction to make!

If that were true Assad would have being overthrown like Gaddafi in 2013 already. Iran has influence in Syria because of its long Shia population, and the alwhite.

[enhanced_deficit]

Obama: Can't defeat ISIS without removing Assad from powerddg's excellent logic if employed by GOP would yield such a headline:

GOP: Can't defeat Racism without removing Obama from power

[devil21]

If that were true Assad would have being overthrown like Gaddafi in 2013 already. Iran has influence in Syria because of its long Shia population, and the alwhite.

Overthrown by who? I'm not entirely clear on your point.

The people of Russia and Iran are propagandized as to who their allies and enemies are, just like Americans are propagandized. Again, separate the 'people' from the 'leaders'. Their interests are usually very different. We see it here in the US and the same principle applies in other countries too. Not sure I can explain my thoughts any better than that without fully understanding your point.

[charrob]

The people of Russia and Iran back Assad. Putin and the Ayatollah act like they do but don't give a rat's ass about Assad, his government, or his people. That is an important distinction to make!

Putin is not going to give up his warm water Mediterranean Sea Port in Syria. It was Putin who stopped Obama's invasion of Syria in 2013 (which was allegedly on "humanitarian grounds" regarding chemical weapons being allegedly used against his own people). Remember back in September 2013, Seymour Hersh's investigation proving the chemical weapons that were used came from Erdogan's government in correlation with the "rebels" had not yet been completed-- at this point in time, no one was yet sure whether Assad was guilty or not on using chemical weapons against his people. John Kerry fell into a trap on international television when he stated that if Syria got rid of their chemical weapons the U.S. would have no reason to invade. (Kerry never expected that question and stated unthinkingly that we would have no reason then to invade.) Putin jumped on that immediately with both feet, broadcasted it everywhere, and quickly made the deal for Assad to give up the chemical weapons in return for the U.S. not invading Syria. These quick actions by Putin stopped Obama's war on Syria in 2013. This pissed off the neocons, which some believe is the reason they pushed to overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine in early 2014.

Syria and Putin lived up to their side of the deal. Unsurprisingly the U.S. has once again lied and socked Putin right in the mouth.

In addition the Iranian government does care about Assad as well as Hezbollah in Lebanon (they've long been allies); they don't want a Sunni takeover in Syria. The Alawites are a branch of Shia islam.

[Miss Annie]

Putin is not going to give up his warm water Mediterranean Sea Port in Syria. It was Putin who stopped Obama's invasion of Syria in 2013 (which was allegedly on "humanitarian grounds" regarding chemical weapons being allegedly used against his own people). Remember back in September 2013, Seymour Hersh's investigation proving the chemical weapons that were used came from Erdogan's government in correlation with the "rebels" had not yet been completed-- at this point in time, no one was yet sure whether Assad was guilty or not on using chemical weapons against his people. John Kerry fell into a trap on international television when he stated that if Syria got rid of their chemical weapons the U.S. would have no reason to invade. (Kerry never expected that question and stated unthinkingly that we would have no reason then to invade.) Putin jumped on that immediately with both feet, broadcasted it everywhere, and quickly made the deal for Assad to give up the chemical weapons in return for the U.S. not invading Syria. These quick actions by Putin stopped Obama's war on Syria in 2013. This pissed off the neocons, which some believe is the reason they pushed to overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine in early 2014.

Syria and Putin lived up to their side of the deal. Unsurprisingly the U.S. has once again lied and socked Putin right in the mouth.

In addition the Iranian government does care about Assad as well as Hezbollah in Lebanon (they've long been allies); they don't want a Sunni takeover in Syria. The Alawites are a branch of Shia islam.

Yep yep yep!

[Lucille]

Obama Reverses Policy As US-Turkey Set To Agree On Syrian No-Fly-Zone
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/us-turkey-set-agree-syrian-no-fly-zone


With the apparent goal of 'protecting civilians' from ISIS and Syria's al-Assad, the US and Turkey appear to be close to agreeing on the creation of a no-fly-zone along a portion of the Syrian border. As WSJ reports, U.S. and Turkish officials have narrowed their differences over a joint military mission in Syria that would give the U.S. and its coalition partners permission to use Turkish air bases to launch strike operations against Islamic State targets across northern Syria. The no-fly-zone would provide sanctuary to Western-backed opposition forces and refugees. As Bloomberg notes, this is a significant reversal of Obama's earlier policy (fearing it would be a significant strain on the U.S. Air Force and put fliers in mortal danger) pushing US closer to outright proxy war with Russia via direct confrontation with al-Assad's airforce.
[...]
We can only imagine the quid pro quo Kerry had to offer to get Erdogan in on the deal given his recent strong anti-American rhetoric. However, the crucial point is Obama's reversal and more explicitly aggressive stance against al-Assad that will likely warrant a Russian response (in words or deeds).

[enhanced_deficit]

Although DGP was very intelligent leader on top of being very honest, Trump mostly defeating ISIS using just twitter could put previous assumptions in question.

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