Are computers being used in Iowa and NH?

[max]

Whats the latest word on the Diebold situation? Anyone know?

Cuz if Diebold is still being used, and HQ isnt gonna fight it...then you all know we're wasting our time right?

'Poll watchers" and "exit polls" wont mean jack. You really think anything would be overturned from it?? Ha!

Does anyone have current info on this matter?

[jrich4rpaul]

Diebold was used in the Iowa straw poll. Coincidentally it was the only straw poll that was televised. I'd say yes.

Solution: smash them all with hammers.

[Man from La Mancha]

Condit is organizing poll watchers and has filed a law suit in all 50 states to declare the machines illegal.

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[jrich4rpaul]

Condit is organizing poll watchers and has filed a law suit in all 50 states to declare the machines illegal.

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How is that working out? Is it definate or something that will get brushed under the rug.

[max]

poll watching will accomplish nothing...

the machines must be stopped or nothing else will; matter

[LizF]

Whats the latest word on the Diebold situation? Anyone know?

Cuz if Diebold is still being used, and HQ isnt gonna fight it...then you all know we're wasting our time right?

'Poll watchers" and "exit polls" wont mean jack. You really think anything would be overturned from it?? Ha!

Does anyone have current info on this matter?


I can't speak for all of NH, but when I last voted (a few weeks ago) I was given a paper ballot ==> made selections in a booth (behind curtain) ==> when I left the booth, I had to put the completed ballot through a machine/scanner.

You might find this link to be of interest:
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

[Geronimo]

I live in NH, and I'm not sure what we've got for a set up, since I haven't voted since the days of Perot.

On another note, Diebold changed their name to something else. I don't have the time to find the new name, but I'm sure the info can be found pretty easilly.



Edit: The new name is Premier Election Systems.

[Shin505]

This is the link to the people currently filing the lawsuit.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/default.htm

Heres an update of where it's currently at.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2007-11-29.htm

[hawkeyenick]

We still use paper in most of Iowa

[me3]

Iowa is a caucus, some votes will take place in local homes.

Max, I'm kinda surprised you haven't watched the grassroots videos at ronpaul2008 or read up on the Iowa Caucus.

[Man from La Mancha]

November 29, 2007


U.S. Supreme Court Dockets
Landmark Right to Petition Case

Two days ago, the U.S. Supreme Court docketed two Petitions for Writ of Certiorari arising from the same decision by the United States Court of Appeals in the case titled, We The People v. United States. The Supreme Court will consider the two Petitions together.

One Petition for Writ of Certiorari, submitted by WTP Chairman Robert Schulz, was assigned Docket Number 07-681. The second Petition for Writ of Certiorari, filed by attorney Mark Lane, who is representing the remaining Plaintiffs, was assigned Docket Number 07-680.

By the end of the year we will know whether the nation's Highest Court will take upon itself the burden of considering -- for the first time in the Republic's history -- the constitutional meaning of the last ten words of the First Amendment, i.e., the People's Right to Petition the Government for a Redress of Grievances.

The burden is breathtaking in the scope of its implications. Our case rests on a virtually irrefutable historical record establishing the true political purpose behind the Constitution’s Petition Clause, or what we have come to call the “Accountability Clause.” The record is so unambiguous that it leaves no room for its interpretation: If the People have evidence the Government is violating the Constitution the People may Petition for Redress of the Grievance, and if the Government does not respond to the Petition, the People may retain their money until their Grievances are Redressed.

On the other hand, there is absolutely nothing in American history or jurisprudence that contradicts the historical record or our assertions regarding the power of this long-forgotten Right.

Obviously, there is a great deal at stake for both sides in this controversy -- the People and the Government.

Three and one-half years ago, nearly two thousand Americans sued the government of the United States for failing to respond to repeated Petitions for Redress of Grievances that cited numerous constitutional torts against the People. These Petitions have required answers to specific questions regarding violations of the Constitution's War Powers clauses, Money clauses, Privacy clauses and the Government's enforcement of direct, un-apportioned taxes upon on the labor of ordinary American citizens in violation of the Constitution's Tax clauses.

After this week's docketing of the appeal, the Government now has thirty days to either file a response brief, arguing why the Court need not hear the case, or inform the Court that the Government is waiving its right to file a response. Following either of these two events, the appeal will be distributed to the nine Justices and scheduled for one of the Court’s weekly conferences, which could happen by the end of the year or in January of 2008.

At that conference, the nine Justices will discuss this case and controversy and vote on whether to hear the appeal. Should the Court decide to take the case, it will issue a briefing schedule and will hear oral arguments.

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Over this period we have methodically erected a solid foundation that will endure time -- an irrefutable documentary record of repeated, respectful acts of Petitioning the Executive and Legislative Branches for Redress of the most serious of constitutional torts.

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