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Anti Federalist
11-08-2014, 01:54 AM
Solution to Unemployment Found: Kill the Unemployed

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/solution-to-unemployment-found-kill-the-unemployed/

That was the solution proffered by eugenicist progressives during the 1920s and 1930s. At least, that was their preferred option. Frank Taussig admitted that we “have not reached the stage where we can proceed to chloroform [the unemployed] once and for all, but at least they can be segregated, shut up in refuges and asylums, and prevented from propagating their kind.”

Many leftists today deny that minimum wage laws increase unemployment among the least skilled and most disadvantaged workers. Among many early progressive, however, it was fully admitted that minimum wages cause unemployment, and this fact was to be used to effect good eugenicist social policy. In “Eugenics and Economics in the Progressive Era” in The Journal of Economic Perspectives by Thomas C. Leonard, Leonard examines how the minimum wage was used to separate the “worthy” workers (i.e., those who could earn a “living wage”) from those unproductive workers who should be sterilized.

From Leonard’s analysis, we learn several things:

1. It was assumed and fully admitted by progressives that a minimum wage would cause unemployment among the least-skilled workers in society.

2. For the eugenicists, the resulting unemployment was a good thing because it allowed the “experts” to more easily cull those who were worthy of being allowed to continue to exist and reproduce, from those who were not.

3. Such arguments for the minimum wage were also closely related to the racism inherent in early minimum wage arguments, which is covered in more detail here.

Leonard explores the assumed benefits of unemployment caused by minimum wages here:


Columbia’s Henry Rogers Seager, a leading progressive economist who served as president of the AEA in 1922, provides an example. Worthy wage-earners, Seager (1913a, p. 12) argued, need protection from the “wearing competition of the casual worker and the drifter” and from the other “unemployable” who unfairly drag down the wages of more deserving workers (1913b, pp. 82–83). The minimum wage protects deserving workers from the competition of the unfit by making it illegal to work for less. Seager (1913a, p. 9) wrote: “The operation of the minimum wage requirement would merely extend the definition of defectives to embrace all individuals, who even after having received special training, remain incapable of adequate self-support.” Seager (p. 10) made clear what should happen to those who, even after remedial training, could not earn the legal minimum: “If we are to maintain a race that is to be made of up of capable, efficient and independent individuals and family groups we must courageously cut off lines of heredity that have been proved to be undesirable by isolation or sterilization . . . .”

The unemployable were thus those workers who earned less than some measure of an adequate standard of living, a standard the British called a “decent maintenance” and Americans referred to as a “living wage.” For labor reformers, firms that paid workers less than the living wage to which they were entitled were deemed parasitic, as were the workers who accepted such wages—on grounds that someone (charity, state, other members of the household) would need to make up the difference. For progressives, a legal minimum wage had the useful property of sorting the unfit, who would lose their jobs, from the deserving workers, who would retain their jobs. Royal Meeker, a Princeton economist who served as Woodrow Wilson’s U.S. Commissioner of Labor, opposed a proposal to subsidize the wages of poor workers for this reason. Meeker preferred a wage floor because it would disemploy unfit workers and thereby enable their culling from the work force. “It is much better to enact a minimum-wage law even if it deprives these unfortunates of work,” argued Meeker (1910, p. 554). “Better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth more of their kind.” A. B. Wolfe (1917, p. 278) an American progressive economist who would later become president of the AEA in 1943, also argued for the eugenic virtues of removing from employment those who “are a burden on society.”

In his Principles of Economics, Frank Taussig (1921, pp. 332–333) asked rhetorically, “how to deal with the unemployable?” Taussig identified two classes of unemployable worker, distinguishing the aged, infirm and disabled from the “feebleminded . . . those saturated with alcohol or tainted with hereditary disease . . . [and] the irretrievable criminals and tramps. . . .” The latter class, Taussig proposed, “should simply be stamped out.” “We have not reached the stage,” Taussig allowed, “where we can proceed to chloroform them once and for all; but at least they can be segregated, shut up in refuges and asylums, and prevented from
propagating their kind.”

The progressive idea that the unemployable could not earn a living wage was bound up with the progressive view of wage determination. Unlike the economists who pioneered the still-novel marginal productivity theory [i.e., Austrian economists -ed.], most progressives agreed that wages should be determined by the amount that was necessary to provide a reasonable standard of living, not by productivity, and that the cost of this entitlement should fall on firms.

But how should a living wage be determined? Were workers with more dependents, and thus higher living expenses, thereby entitled to higher wages? Arguing that wages should be matter of an appropriate standard of living opened the door, in this era of eugenics, to theories of wage determination that were grounded in biology, in particular to the idea that “low-wage races” were biologically predisposed to low wages, or “under-living.” Edward A. Ross (1936, p. 70), the proponent of race-suicide theory, argued that “the Coolie cannot outdo the American, but he can underlive him.” “Native” workers have higher productivity, claimed Ross, but because Chinese immigrants are racially disposed to work for lower wages, they displace the native workers.

Occam's Banana
11-08-2014, 04:40 AM
:eek::eek::eek:

Just when you start thinkin' you've heard 'em all, along comes yet another illustration of the vile depravity of those who would be our Wise Overlords ...

Henry Rogue
11-08-2014, 06:39 AM
Perhaps central planners are the greatest burden on society. Those eugenisits should have looked to their own worth first.

Ronin Truth
11-08-2014, 07:38 AM
"You can always hire half of the poor to kill the other half." -- ??

phill4paul
11-08-2014, 07:57 AM
Once upon a time they said robots would set us free and make our lives easier.

ghengis86
11-08-2014, 08:19 AM
I thought war was the preferred solution to eliminating the poor.

ClydeCoulter
11-08-2014, 08:24 AM
Once upon a time they said robots would set us free and make our lives easier.

That was the selling point.

Ronin Truth
11-08-2014, 08:30 AM
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=useless+eaters

donnay
11-08-2014, 08:37 AM
I thought war was the preferred solution to eliminating the poor.

The other is poisoning our food supply.

Henry Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

invisible
11-08-2014, 09:12 AM
Nothing like efficiency and progress!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzKRqw_8J8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzKRqw_8J8

AngryCanadian
11-08-2014, 09:26 AM
How is killing the unemployed an solution?

TheTexan
11-08-2014, 09:49 AM
How is killing the unemployed an solution?

Unemployment levels would quickly drop to record lows. Good for the economy etc

tod evans
11-08-2014, 09:55 AM
Remember government "employees" count as unemployed...

In fact government employees are a much larger drain on society's resources than those who are temporarily out of honest work...

Henry Rogue
11-08-2014, 10:09 AM
Remember government "employees" count as unemployed...

In fact government employees are a much larger drain on society's resources than those who are temporarily out of honest work...

And pensions are the gift that keeps on giving

tod evans
11-08-2014, 10:25 AM
And pensions are the gift that keeps on giving

Even to dependants!

Lucille
11-08-2014, 10:28 AM
The progs just swept the city council elections (great job, county GOP!) and the first order of business is to raise the minimum wage. Can't wait to use this.

erowe1
11-08-2014, 10:29 AM
The words "the unemployed" are bracketed in that first quote. That's a pretty major detail just to supply like that without showing readers what makes it clear that that's who he was talking about.

Anti Federalist
11-08-2014, 10:46 AM
Once upon a time they said robots would set us free and make our lives easier.

I shudder to think what's coming...

JK/SEA
11-08-2014, 10:48 AM
I shudder to think what's coming...

BORG.

TheTexan
11-08-2014, 10:59 AM
I shudder to think what's coming...

I, for one, welcome our new overlords.

JK/SEA
11-08-2014, 11:15 AM
I, for one, welcome our new overlords.

i just hope they ban bacon...

PRB
11-08-2014, 11:26 AM
Looks like Lew Rockwell has gone the way of Alex Jones and Michael Snyder, using dishonest and misleading titles.

There's a big difference between sterilization and killing (people).

tod evans
11-08-2014, 11:27 AM
Looks like Lew Rockwell has gone the way of Alex Jones and Michael Snyder, using dishonest and misleading titles.

There's a big difference between sterilization and killing (people).

Might I suggest sterilization of government employees by impalement?

Ronin Truth
11-08-2014, 03:29 PM
Looks like Lew Rockwell has gone the way of Alex Jones and Michael Snyder, using dishonest and misleading titles.

There's a big difference between sterilization and killing (people).

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/solution-to-unemployment-found-kill-the-unemployed/

Christian Liberty
11-08-2014, 07:17 PM
Unemployment levels would quickly drop to record lows. Good for the economy etc

It wouldn't last.

Might I suggest sterilization of government employees by impalement?

You could suggest it, but I think we all know that would be wrong.

If you limited it to gov. employees that have committed murder, that would be one thing, but all of them? Come on...

tod evans
11-08-2014, 07:22 PM
You could suggest it, but I think we all know that would be wrong.

If you limited it to gov. employees that have committed murder, that would be one thing, but all of them? Come on...

If one were to follow governments own interpretation of the conspiracy statutes then even the janitor could be convicted of "murder"...

Goose/gander............

Christian Liberty
11-08-2014, 07:25 PM
If one were to follow governments own interpretation of the conspiracy statutes then even the janitor could be convicted of "murder"...

Goose/gander............

It wouldn't surprise me. Government sets it up so everyone is guilty. The question is what is morally right.

Christian Liberty
11-08-2014, 07:26 PM
I don't think it would be moral or Christianly to kill the janitor because Obama, the politicians many people in the military, and many people in the police forces are guilty of murder...

tod evans
11-08-2014, 07:30 PM
It wouldn't surprise me. Government sets it up so everyone is guilty. The question is what is morally right.

Don't you see a bit of a dichotomy discussing government employees and morality in the same sentence?

heavenlyboy34
11-08-2014, 07:35 PM
:eek::eek::eek:

Just when you start thinkin' you've heard 'em all, along comes yet another illustration of the vile depravity of those who would be our Wise Overlords ...

It's kinda like an inversion of the Bastiat's Broken Window or something... :eek: :eek: :eek:

Christian Liberty
11-08-2014, 07:43 PM
Don't you see a bit of a dichotomy discussing government employees and morality in the same sentence?

I wasn't saying they were moral, genius;) I was talking about OUR morality. If you really believe a government employed janitor is on the same level as even a private murderer, we have a SIGNIFICANT difference in morals. And no, I don't think ALL government employees lack morality. Ron Paul was a government employee (congressman) and one of the most moral men I am aware of. Interestingly, you don't consider the military to be government employees, and I'd consider them to be some of the worst as a group (at least some soldiers actually do kill people, we can't say that for janitors....)

PRB
11-09-2014, 03:12 AM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/solution-to-unemployment-found-kill-the-unemployed/

I apologize, so Lew Rockwell, didn't write it himself. what else were you trying to point out?

GunnyFreedom
11-09-2014, 01:52 PM
The words "the unemployed" are bracketed in that first quote. That's a pretty major detail just to supply like that without showing readers what makes it clear that that's who he was talking about.
Eugenics, instead of trying to kill individuals, is an attempt at genocide. With a homicide they will just kill Uncle Albert, but with eugenics, they will end his entire extended family. I don't know that I'd be trying to make a case that "eugenics isn't as bad a killing."

LibForestPaul
11-09-2014, 02:52 PM
"You can always hire half of the poor to kill the other half." -- ??

Yes.
Damn negroes...
Damn Muslims...
Damn fundamentalists...
Damn them...
Damn Chinese...
Damn Syrians...
Damn Russians...
all while the mundanes waving whatever flag and color they were given to hold.

Divide and conquer