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green73
11-04-2014, 10:26 AM
ST. GEORGE, UT — A Halloween-themed private event was targeted by police when there was a suspicion of dancing without a permit.

It happened at the 2014 “Monster Mash” dance party, the third annual event of its kind. It was put on by the event promotion company, Heart of Dixie, and held at the Fiesta Fun Center in St. George, Utah (population 75,000).

Over 400 guests were enjoying the festivities at the October 31st event, participating in all-night enjoyment of bumper boats, go-karts, mini golf, and music.

After 9:30 p.m., St. George police arrived in force to investigate a case of unpermitted dancing. Around 5-6 officers challenged the organizers of the event as not having obtained a proper permit to host the dancing. The venue owner, event promoter, and security coordinator each presented their respective permits, which had been previously approved and issued by the city.

“I told them, ‘Well, I actually have a permit that was issued by the city this morning that has ‘dance’ and ‘fun’ checked on it, and a big stamp of approval on it,’” Heart of Dixie promoter Jared Keddington said.

Police found the city-issued permits to be insufficient, and forced the organizers to announce over the loudspeaker that absolutely no dancing could be tolerated for the remainder of the night, as per the orders of police.

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http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/st-george-utah-shuts-down-dance-party/

CCTelander
11-04-2014, 10:36 AM
Wasn't there a movie about something like this back in the 80s? And almost everyone recognized how ridiculous, archaic and barbarically draconian such stupid laws were. And unenlightened. Ohh how far we've come since then!

Welcome to AmeriKa.

Unpermitted dancing? I'm at a loss for words.

HOLLYWOOD
11-04-2014, 10:39 AM
The right to assembly mentions nothing about dancing...

Land of the Free!

green73
11-04-2014, 10:39 AM
Wasn't there a movie about something like this back in the 80s? And almost everyone recognized how ridiculous, archaic and barbarically draconian such stupid laws were. And unenlightened. Ohh how far we've come since then!

Welcome to AmeriKa.

Unpermitted dancing? I'm at a loss for words.

Yes, and it had one of the most moving speeches in the history of Man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaHlwSaI5c

luctor-et-emergo
11-04-2014, 10:51 AM
Can someone please kick me to see if this is a dream ?

Beyond all forms of reason.

Dr.3D
11-04-2014, 11:02 AM
Sure looks to me like a revenue generator. They just want their protection money.

jonhowe
11-04-2014, 05:26 PM
Yes, and it had one of the most moving speeches in the history of Man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYaHlwSaI5c

You had me excited (I havent seen this movie in YEARS) but now that I watch it... that's the worst argument ever! Even if you do take the bible seriously (and more power to you, it's your right, but I don't) one could easily say that the dancing god commanded in that passage was for that time and place (just like the genocides scattered throughout the old testament are not meant to imply that god wants us all to commit genocide).

Let's rewrite the speech from a constitutional perspective and see if we can get Kevin Bacon to read it!

presence
11-04-2014, 05:30 PM
this was posted last week

Thread: City Sends 6 Cops to Enforce No Dancing Rule at “Monster Mash” Dance Party (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?462282-City-Sends-6-Cops-to-Enforce-No-Dancing-Rule-at-%E2%80%9CMonster-Mash%E2%80%9D-Dance-Party)

I'm pretty sure its unconstitutional

ELAM v BOLLING 1999

otherone
11-04-2014, 05:35 PM
The right to assembly mentions nothing about dancing...

Land of the Free!

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2012/10/17/statue_liberty_strip.gif

pcosmar
11-04-2014, 06:14 PM
Can someone please kick me to see if this is a dream ?

Beyond all forms of reason.

Not a dream. This is America. :(

Suzanimal
11-04-2014, 06:20 PM
Can someone please kick me to see if this is a dream ?

Beyond all forms of reason.

*kicks luctor

CPUd
11-04-2014, 06:28 PM
Temporary outdoor events (i.e., promotions, tent sales, exhibits, carnivals, concerts, etc.) may be permitted by the city council or a designated representative on property zoned commercial, including the planned development commercial zones, for a period not to exceed six (6) continuous days within a six (6) month period. This time limit applies to all local and out of town businesses and all commercial locations within the city. Special exceptions to the time limit may be granted by the city council on a case by case basis. Temporary outdoor events to be held on public property also require review and approval by the city council or a designated representative. Applicants shall submit adequate plans and information for the city to determine that the events will not interfere with the safety and general welfare of the community, nor violate any zoning, parking, licensing or other requirement or ordinance of the city. Required licenses, permits and special clearances shall be obtained prior to any event taking place. (1998 Document § 3-20)


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more here:
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/10/28/mgk-crashed-monster-mash-dance-promoter-decries-city-stands-by-permit-process

pessimist
11-04-2014, 07:04 PM
anyone ever experience deja vu?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ0zGZ2t7xE

Mani
11-04-2014, 10:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/GbXgSW4.png
http://i.imgur.com/2lk1UVK.png
http://i.imgur.com/VSoAKzm.png

more here:
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2014/10/28/mgk-crashed-monster-mash-dance-promoter-decries-city-stands-by-permit-process


To think there's that much paperwork and review over a halloween party is really sad.


And the fact that someone actually crossed out the "dancing" and then sent the cops to make sure that dancing was not taking place...and then cops actually telling people NOT to dance?

I'm sorry folks..but even communist China isn't this fucked up.

Mani
11-04-2014, 10:26 PM
http://www.suindependent.com/news/id_7030/St-George-gets-lampooned-on-Saturday-Night-Live-for-%22Footloose%22-ways.html





These city clowns get so high up on their horse and except people to follow their rules to a T, and if you don't COMPLY on getting permission to do it their way...They will make you pay. If you read their attitude, "it's not about the dancing, it's following the rules." That's the asinine thing. They have created rules to the point you need a permit to take a piss and if you don't get it you will be arrested.

The fact that they are so blinded by their petty power over people and being hell bent to follow their rules they don't even realize how stupid they sound. They are disconnected with how pathetic they are, with their rules and permits. You can bet your ass they were hell bent on making sure the rules were followed, that's why they sent the fucking goon squad to watch over.

And how pathetic are the enforcers to show up to a party to make sure people aren't dancing? You are ready to send people to jail for dancing? Oh that's right they kill puppies for barking, and jail old people for feeding the homeless without a permit.





http://fox13now.com/2014/10/27/cops-stop-dancing-at-halloween-party-in-st-george/

Police patrolled a Halloween party over the weekend to make sure there was no dancing.

It has many on social media accusing the city of living in a “Footloose” mentality.

The city says the organizers of the party didn’t follow the rules.

Party organizers Heart of Dixie have held The Monster Mash for three years now, but this is the first time it took place in St. George.

Organizer Jared Keddington said they thought they’d be able to have their party at Fiesta Fun Center, a local outdoor entertainment venue, but found out days before the party they’d need a special event permit.

Keddington said he went through the process, and thought he’d gotten the proper permission, but found out an hour after the event started, there were conditions attached.

“We were given a permit,” Keddington said. “And then told by officers we couldn’t have a dance, under threat of being taken to jail with a felony of inciting a riot.”

According to a St. George City ordinance, public dances are permitted, but only after approval of the city council.

City spokesman Marc Mortensen said that couldn’t have happened, because Keddington’s permit application came three days before the event and the city council didn’t meet last week.

“Had this actually come to the city a month in advance, which we typically require for large-scale events, there wouldn’t have been an issue,” Mortensen said.

Correspondence between Keddington and city staff shows the city did try and work with him on the short time line, and told him beforehand the dance portion was not approved.

Keddington said he didn’t get that message, and takes issue with the wording of the exceptions, saying, it was impossible to comply with.

“Things had been crossed out, and in hand was written, no dance activity permitted,” Keddington said. “On another page it was typed that the event must not be allowed to become a dance party due to random acts of dancing by patrons.”

Basically they could play music, but any sort of dancing would be a violation. The city insists it’s not about the dancing, but about following the permit process.

“Via the power of social media, who knows how many could have showed up and would that have overburdened that particular neighborhood and could it have potentially created problems,” Mortensen said. “That’s what we try and avoid.”

Mortensen said the mayor and city council have committed to looking at that ordinance following this incident. He said the rules apply to anyone looking to hold a public event. Keddington said the process is arbitrary and discriminating.

“It’s not OK to tell people they can’t dance,” Keddington said. “It’s not OK to tell people they have to get a permit to dance.”

Root
11-04-2014, 10:31 PM
A "fun and dancing" permit.

I've seen it all, I can retire now. Fuck, that's insane. It's the funniest yet most depressing thing I've ever heard of. Wow, just wow.

Mani
11-04-2014, 10:40 PM
A "fun and dancing" permit.

I've seen it all, I can retire now. Fuck, that's insane. It's the funniest yet most depressing thing I've ever heard of. Wow, just wow.



Not just a FUN and DANCING permit....But a permit with the words "dancing" circled, crossed out, and then "no dancing" underlined and written MULTIPLE times. The city has declared that you cannot dance.

Someone actually wrote that shit. Someone actually wrote the words "no dancing permitted" Ebenezer Scrooge just shit his pants at how much of a scrooge that city is.

acesfull
11-04-2014, 11:10 PM
Pictures of the 6 public servants that enforced the "no dancing" policy would make me dance..

Acesfull

HOLLYWOOD
11-04-2014, 11:25 PM
To think there's that much paperwork and review over a halloween party is really sad.


And the fact that someone actually crossed out the "dancing" and then sent the cops to make sure that dancing was not taking place...and then cops actually telling people NOT to dance?

I'm sorry folks..but even communist China isn't this fucked up.Yep... busting kids Lemonade stands, Girl Scout cookies, now dancing. Even Josef Stalin allowed the Ruskies to dance anytime they wanted.

So where's the big mouth ACLU? Oh yeah, busy defending Progressive voter fraud

otherone
11-05-2014, 06:51 AM
public dances are permitted, but only after approval of the city council.

"YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR PERMISSION"

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Its-A-Good-Life-Twilight-Zone.jpg

Occam's Banana
11-05-2014, 07:09 AM
public dances are permitted, but only after approval of the city council.

"YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR PERMISSION"

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Its-A-Good-Life-Twilight-Zone.jpg

Throw it in the cornfield?

otherone
11-05-2014, 07:17 AM
Throw it in the cornfield?

The US has the highest cornfield-disposal rate in the world...even greater than North Korea.

FloralScent
11-05-2014, 07:51 AM
Any theories as to why the city would have a problem with dancing?

Christian Liberty
11-05-2014, 07:56 AM
Any theories as to why the city would have a problem with dancing?

Power and control confined in the hands of wicked sociopaths. That's the only theory that works...

Once again, there are no good cops because the job of a cop is to enforce the law...

moostraks
11-05-2014, 08:20 AM
Any theories as to why the city would have a problem with dancing?

Common sense response:


Power and control confined in the hands of wicked sociopaths. That's the only theory that works...

Once again, there are no good cops because the job of a cop is to enforce the law...

Their response seems to indicate that dancing without proper permission from the council incites riots???:rolleyes:


“And then told by officers we couldn’t have a dance, under threat of being taken to jail with a felony of inciting a riot.”

ChristianAnarchist
11-05-2014, 11:00 AM
A "fun and dancing" permit.

I've seen it all, I can retire now. Fuck, that's insane. It's the funniest yet most depressing thing I've ever heard of. Wow, just wow.

I'm sure we can get together a committee and review the process. Given enough resources I'm certain we will come to a conclusion in the matter and resolve the issue to the satisfaction of all...

jbauer
11-05-2014, 11:31 AM
Any theories as to why the city would have a problem with dancing?

Religion. We can't "dance" in certain places here in TN. Didn't realize a place on earth existed like that.

Mani
11-05-2014, 10:00 PM
Any theories as to why the city would have a problem with dancing?


The exact quote:

"...Via the power of social media, who knows how many could have showed up and would that have overburdened that particular neighborhood and could it have potentially created problems,” Mortensen said. “That’s what we try and avoid.”



So I'm guessing the logic is.....Social Media is so powerful that if people all starting posting on their Fedbook, instagram, snapchat, twitter, etc. that "HEY GUYS THERE'S A HALLOWEEN PARTY IN TOWN, AND WE CAN DANCE!!!!!"

That would be too big a party for that town? So the neighborhood would have too much noise, traffic, and other things that happen when there's too much people in one area looking for a place to dance.


SO! The solution is.......Allow the party to continue, but cross out dancing....That will fix everything! Because when all the people start posting on FB, twitter, etc "HEY GUYS! There's a Halloween party in TOWN!!! But no dancing allowed." That will mitigate the dangers of that powerful social media.


Ya, that makes complete sense....:rolleyes:


In other words, ya...Power and petty control......You didn't follow the rules and submit the permit application 30 days ago...so we will compromise and let you have your party...BUT NO DANCING DAG NAMIT!!! And we'll have our police watching you just to make sure!!!

Ender
11-05-2014, 10:04 PM
Religion. We can't "dance" in certain places here in TN. Didn't realize a place on earth existed like that.

As I stated on another thread on this topic, this has NOTHING to do with religion. No one in S. Utah is happy about this.

Mormon pioneers danced across the plains; Mormons hold dances all the time.

THIS is about stupid city gov control.

CPUd
11-05-2014, 11:32 PM
Going by their correspondence, it looks like some kind of pissing match between the promoters and the city.