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Brian4Liberty
10-29-2014, 01:23 PM
Frontline: The Rise of ISIS
PBS details the origins of ISIS, and makes the case for permanent policing of the world
By Brian4Liberty - October 29, 2014

(RPF) - Last night, the PBS documentary show Frontline debuted an episode about The Rise of ISIS (http://video.pbs.org/video/2365356572/). As usual, Frontline provided more detailed information than is usually found on mainstream television. In this regard, the show was very informative, especially for people who may not have previously known about the ongoing political, religious and ethnic divisions in Iraq. The case against Nouri al-Maliki as a brutal and paranoid ruler was emphatically presented.

The documentary starts with a description of ISIS as nothing more than a ragtag group of hardened Sunni fighters, abandoned in the desert when the United States withdrew from Iraq. This initial description is the start of a theme that is threaded throughout the episode. Along with unbiased descriptions of the situation in Iraq and Syria since the withdrawal of the US military, there are frequent opinions expressed by supposed experts which proclaim that at every turn, if the US had just become more involved in the fighting, then everything would have been different.

The calls for US action start with lamentations that al-Maliki was not kept on a short enough lease. Of course this would necessarily mean that Iraq would not be an independent nation, but a nation controlled and funded by the US. It would probably require the US military to remain in Iraq on permanent policing duty. The appropriateness of this role for the US military, and the cost to US taxpayers, never seem to be a consideration.

As the story continues with ISIS moving into Syria to fight against Bashar al-Assad, the case is made that if only the US had strongly and immediately aided the rebels in overthrowning Assad, then things would have been different. What that difference would be is not explored. The implication is always that a wonderful secular Democracy would arise, but no proof for this prediction is ever provided. The lessons of Libya and Egypt would not help their case, it actually counters their argument. The fact that trillions of dollars, thousands of lost US soldiers, and a decade-long occupation failed to tame Iraq is ignored. Apparently, their solution is permanent occupation, and past failure is no predictor of future results.

Needless to say, the calls for more military aid and boots on the ground by the "experts" continue when the program finally gets to the current situation. All we need is more time, more money and more military effort, and then we can repeat our claims that we have created a peaceful, secular, united Iraq. Perhaps the failed objective of a united Iraq needs to be reassessed. In reality, the only thing that would unite a fractured Iraq is a permanent and brutal overseer. Is this really a role for America?

All in all, the documentary does provide some very good background information, albeit from a selective point of view. As with any media, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt and skepticism. The propaganda aspect can never be ignored. In this case, the common denominator seems to be the opinion that if the US would just aggressively intervene internationally, then everything will be fine. Past failures, an outrageous cost in US treasure and lives, and the destruction of the US Constitution are discounted when the goal is permanent and bloody policing of the world.

ClydeCoulter
10-29-2014, 07:55 PM
Thank you, for the synopsis.

FindLiberty
10-29-2014, 08:26 PM
I won't be watching it, but I bet it was a very good MIC show.

Probably the very best propaganda circus that fiat money can buy!

Brian4Liberty
10-30-2014, 09:21 AM
Another review:


‘The Rise of ISIS,’ TV review
PBS report with Martin Smith analyzes the strength and threat of the powerful new fundamentalist movement

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ISIS has its roots, Smith’s team explains, in the remnants of Osama Bin Laden’s decimated Al Qaeda. It has been boosted by Sunni Muslims who feel they were betrayed after they were promised a role in the Iraqi government and then forced out.

Throw in military veterans from Saddam Hussein’s Baathist army and it’s a force that’s competitive in the Mideast.

As for ideology, “Frontline” suggests the religious fundamentalism is buttressed by a troubling undercurrent of psychosis. Some of these guys just enjoy killing.

The more charged question, of course, is what to do about ISIS. Many of Smith’s experts say the U.S. response has been too cautious, and that the Obama administration’s attempts to leave Middle East problems to the Middle East has cost the U.S. its leverage.
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“The Rise of ISIS” at times has a “Somebody do something!” undertone that’s pure déjà vu in the Middle Eastern policy game.

The problem, it suggests, is that doing nothing may also not be a great option.
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More:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/rise-isis-tv-review-article-1.1989050

CPUd
10-30-2014, 11:49 PM
Overall, it is about 30 minutes of blaming everything on Maliki, and another 10-15 minutes of reasons why they think ISIS is much worse then AQ.

There were a couple people, like Panetta who were pushing for more US involvement, but one of the national security advisors they interviewed said most of their offers required Maliki to resign, which he didn't do until it was too late. Also said the US was reluctant to offer support until other countries like Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and what was left of the Iraqi army did something besides stand by, or run away (Rand should probably get some credit for that because at the time, he was on all the Sunday shows laying out that position).

They did mention a trillion dollar interest in Kurdistan due to the major US/European companies operating there, which is when the US ultimately got involved.

The show makes a bigger point of neighboring countries needing to get involved than it does with the US.

enhanced_deficit
10-31-2014, 01:05 PM
Overall, it is about 30 minutes of blaming everything on Maliki, and another 10-15 minutes of reasons why they think ISIS is much worse then AQ.

There were a couple people, like Panetta who were pushing for more US involvement...

Did they say anything about role of disgraced dronegansta's puppet masters (Benghazi: Blackwater CEO Prince Says US Was Smuggling Missiles Into Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?462213-Benghazi-Blackwater-CEO-Prince-Says-US-Was-Smuggling-Missiles-Into-Syria&)) or if ISIS = RM 2.0 ? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459503-ISIS-Revolution-Muslim-2-0&)

Brian4Liberty
10-31-2014, 01:28 PM
There were a couple people, like Panetta who were pushing for more US involvement, but one of the national security advisors they interviewed said most of their offers required Maliki to resign, which he didn't do until it was too late. Also said the US was reluctant to offer support until other countries like Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and what was left of the Iraqi army did something besides stand by, or run away (Rand should probably get some credit for that because at the time, he was on all the Sunday shows laying out that position).


Along with Panetta, there some Generals that were also taking the position that Obama did not push hard enough for US aid and intervention. They were pretty much blaming Obama. Like you said, Rand can easily be pulled into this, but it will probably be in the form of an attack. IMHO, this was laying the groundwork for saying that Hillary was right, Rand was wrong.