Former RPF Member Iyad el Baghdadi Seeks Asylum in Norway

[amy31416]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/21/uae-tried-silence-popular-arab-spring-activist/


Earlier this year, as a wave of counterrevolution and repression continued to roll back popular democratic uprisings across the Middle East, one of the Arab Spring’s most popular online activists found himself sitting in a jail cell.

Iyad el-Baghdadi, a popular blogger and Twitter personality who first came to prominence during the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, was arrested by authorities in the United Arab Emirates in April. Detained, imprisoned and then expelled from the country, he has been living in limbo in Malaysia ever since.

Baghdadi – a Palestinian refugee born and raised in the UAE – maintained a highly active social media presence during the revolutions which suddenly went quiet earlier this year, shortly after the death of his friend and well-known Egyptian activist Bassem Sabry. His last Tweet, about Sabry’s death, was on April 30th.

(more at link)

[Lucille]

Also here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?461950-Crazy-Story-about-RPF-Member

[squarepusher]

wow, I liked his posts. Too bad I don't know anyone in Norway or I would try to help him

[heavenlyboy34]

:eek: OMG! :( :'(

[Lucille]

Norway's not a done deal. He RT'd this, so if anyone's on teh twitter:

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http://norwaytoday.info/home_view.php?id=13649


Wednesday held El-Baghdadi his speech on human rights conference in the capital.Thursday or Friday delivers his asylum application. Attorney Jostein Løken confirmed to news channel NTB that he assists the El-Baghdadi with your application, but will not say anything more about the case so far.

The blogger, who is stateless Palestinian, lived until this spring in the United Arab Emirates. But in April, he surprisingly told that he no longer wanted in the country and was deported to Malaysia.He has now been granted a residence permit in Malaysia, but do not feel confident they.

El-Baghdadi did not know why he is unwanted in the Emirates, where he has lived all his life,but he thinks it may be because he has written critically about the military regime in Egypt.United Arab Emirates supports this regime.

Reason mentioned him here:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/21/notes-from-oslo-freedom-forum-2014


Another person you probably never heard about is Iyad El-Baghdadi (@iyad_elbahdadi), a Palestinian blogger who grew up in United Arab Emirates. The authorities called him in to a police interview in April, and he was promptly escorted to the airport and onto a plane to Kuala Lumpur where he has been stuck since. He still has no idea why, as he has never criticized the UAE government. However, his Twitter account is consistently ranked as one of the most important voices out of the Middle-East and he has satirized leaders targeted by the Arab Spring uprisings. His wife was seven months pregnant at the time and he just recently met his child. His expulsion from UAE has caused him to see the plight of paperless refugees and how they get stranded in prisons and airports for long periods of time.

[green73]

He's not a former member.

[amy31416]

He's not a former member.

Not technically, but realistically he is.

[kcchiefs6465]

Not technically, but realistically he is.
What does that mean?

[green73]

Not technically, but realistically he is.

He's been here recently.

[oyarde]

I wish him luck .

[Carlybee]

What's his user name?

[heavenlyboy34]

What's his user name?

ibaghdadi

[Carlybee]

ibaghdadi

Thanks

[presence]

What's his user name?

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[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks

y/w ~hugs~ :)

[torchbearer]

I will grant him asylum in Lone Pine, LA. All he need is to let me know via PM, and I'll arrange him a safe place to seek shelter.

[amy31416]

I will grant him asylum in Lone Pine, LA. All he need is to let me know via PM, and I'll arrange him a safe place to seek shelter.

I'd also give him asylum here. Just don't think it's possible.

[amy31416]

What does that mean?

He "banned" himself.

[Carlybee]

Why Norway?

[green73]

Why Norway?

Lutefisk. It's most always the lutefisk.

[Danke]

Lutefisk. It's most always the lutefisk.

No, lutefisk is only eaten to tolerated the women. He can come to Minnesota, I'll feed him Swedish meatballs and introduce him to our women...wait the meatballs have pork in them, nvm.

[Danke]

I'd also give him asylum here. Just don't think it's possible.

Can he share the couch with Kludge?

[amy31416]

No, lutefisk is only eaten to tolerated the women. He can come to Minnesota, I'll feed him Swedish meatballs and introduce him to our women...wait the meatballs have pork in them, nvm.

Don't Swedish meatballs contain ground beef and some sort of sweet jelly-like crap?

I'd rather eat lutefisk.

Oh, and he's married--probably won't be interested in your large lady-folks out there.

[Danke]

Don't Swedish meatballs contain ground beef and some sort of sweet jelly-like crap?

I'd rather eat lutefisk.

Oh, and he's married--probably won't be interested in your large lady-folks out there.

ya, you are right, you take him.

But good meatballs are a mix of pork, beef and veal.

[pcosmar]

No, lutefisk is only eaten to tolerated the women. He can come to Minnesota, I'll feed him Swedish meatballs and introduce him to our women...wait the meatballs have pork in them, nvm.
I believe he is married.. but it's the thought that counts. ;)

[Danke]

I believe he is married.. but it's the thought that counts. ;)

He is, but I think Muslims can have up to 4 wives, no?

[amy31416]

He is, but I think Muslims can have up to 4 wives, no?

That's only the bad Muslims, he's a good one.

[oyarde]

Don't Swedish meatballs contain ground beef and some sort of sweet jelly-like crap?

I'd rather eat lutefisk.

Oh, and he's married--probably won't be interested in your large lady-folks out there.

We make them with ground sirloin and fresh ground sausage , half and half . No way I am eating lutefisk .

[green73]

That's only the bad Muslims, he's a good one.

Suddenly having more than one wife is bad? I've woke up in a crazy world!

[Danke]

We make them with ground sirloin and fresh ground sausage , half and half . No way I am eating lutefisk .

An Injun telling me how to make Swedish meatballs...

[Danke]

Suddenly having more than one wife is bad? I've woke up in a crazy world!



Waking up with more than one lands you in the "crazy world."

[Suzanimal]

We make them with ground sirloin and fresh ground sausage , half and half .

That's the way I like 'em.


No way I am eating lutefisk .

That goes double for me.

[oyarde]

An Injun telling me how to make Swedish meatballs...

Yeah, kind of funny I know , my Mother often made them on New Years Eve , I cannot quite duplicate her gravy , but mine are still pretty good , LOL

[oyarde]

An Injun telling me how to make Swedish meatballs...

I always figured Swedish meatballs were American , like many " ethnic" foods . I never saw any meatballs in Sweden

[amy31416]

Swedish meatballs are gross, I don't care who makes them. I've eaten gefilte fish, lutefisk can't be much worse.

[Danke]

Swedish meatballs are gross, I don't care who makes them. I've eaten gefilte fish, lutefisk can't be much worse.

Hater.

[amy31416]

Hater.

Hell yeah. The first thing that Kludge ever cooked for us was meatballs that had grape jelly as one of the ingredients, it was freaking repulsive. And it tasted a lot like Swedish meatballs. Blargh.

[green73]

Swedish meatballs are gross, I don't care who makes them. I've eaten gefilte fish, lutefisk can't be much worse.

Whoah, whoooa, whoooooa, Nelly! I hate the Swedes as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure what you're try to say about lutefisk.

[green73]

Hell yeah. The first thing that Kludge ever cooked for us was meatballs that had grape jelly as one of the ingredients, it was freaking repulsive. And it tasted a lot like Swedish meatballs. Blargh.

So Kludge made you racist against the Swedes. Good to know.

[amy31416]

So Kludge made you racist against the Swedes. Good to know.

Swedes are goofy.

[oyarde]

Meatballs with grape jelly , LOL .Kludge is the man . He got by with it .

[green73]

Swedes are goofy.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to amy31416 again...

[Carlybee]

Swedes are goofy.

Swedish movies are weird.

[amy31416]

Swedish movies are weird.

I can't be too judgmental, all my threads turn out weird as well. Even when it's a serious topic.

[Carlybee]

I can't be too judgmental, all my threads turn out weird as well. Even when it's a serious topic.

I got on a Swedish movie kick for a while. I guess I was a glutton for punishment. They are fascinatingly dull and strange at the same time.

[vita3]

What was Baghdadi's view on ISIS leader Baghdadi?

[jmdrake]

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Wow! I wish him the best. I retweeted the "retweet permanent asylum" tweet. This is my favorite RPF post by him.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?347178-How-Ron-Paul-s-Foreign-Policy-Will-Lead-to-Iranian-Regime-Collapse-in-Six-Months

[chudrockz]

That's only the bad Muslims, he's a good one.

I can't speak to the good vs. bad, but any man who WANTS more than one wife has to have several screws loose!!

I'm Swedish, from Minnesota, and lutefisk is friggin' disgusting. Swedish meatballs though are pretty good. My gramma who passed away last year at the age of 102 made the best meatballs on earth.

[Lucille]

Hell yeah. The first thing that Kludge ever cooked for us was meatballs that had grape jelly as one of the ingredients, it was freaking repulsive. And it tasted a lot like Swedish meatballs. Blargh.

Cocktail meatballs (http://www.food.com/recipe/appetizer-grape-jelly-and-chili-sauce-meatballs-or-lil-smokies-73362)? I love those!

[amy31416]

I can't speak to the good vs. bad, but any man who WANTS more than one wife has to have several screws loose!!

I'm Swedish, from Minnesota, and lutefisk is friggin' disgusting. Swedish meatballs though are pretty good. My gramma who passed away last year at the age of 102 made the best meatballs on earth.


Cocktail meatballs (http://www.food.com/recipe/appetizer-grape-jelly-and-chili-sauce-meatballs-or-lil-smokies-73362)? I love those!

Blargh, blargh, blargh. There are very few applications where I can tolerate sugar with meat. If I'd rather eat lutefisk than grape jelly meatballs, that's saying something.

[A Son of Liberty]

There are very few applications where I can tolerate sugar with meat.

Maple syrup bacon.

[Lucille]

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[amy31416]

Maple syrup bacon.

Nope. Not even that. Don't like.

[amy31416]

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LOL

Nice. :)

[chudrockz]

Nope. Not even that. Don't like.

I'm generally with you on disliking "sweet" combined with "meat." Give me a salty steak any day of the week over barbeque wings, for instance. But maple bacon? OMG yum. :)

[A Son of Liberty]

Nope. Not even that. Don't like.

You some kinda commie or sumthin?

[amy31416]

You some kinda commie or sumthin?

Pfft. The opposite. My first experience with sweetened meat was eating bad Chinese food. It'll have to be something expertly done to persuade me otherwise, and I have to motivation to try it.

[torchbearer]

Pfft. The opposite. My first experience with sweetened meat was eating bad Chinese food. It'll have to be something expertly done to persuade me otherwise, and I have to motivation to try it.


Try a maple bacon donut.
http://ilovememphisblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/7847068342_9aca0a51c5_z.jpg

[luctor-et-emergo]

Why Norway ?

Slight tangent/anecdote; An Afghan translator that helped the Dutch forces that were stationed in Afghanistan later fled to Europe out of fear of violence. Asked for asylum in Norway and this was refused. Then he fled to the Netherlands and asked for asylum here but that was refused as well because you can't ask for asylum in another European country after you have already tried one. Some sick stuff right there, especially when you consider the level of protection towards human rights differs greatly throughout Europe. After people made a lot of noise, political noise, they finally decided to break their own rules and to give this guy a new hearing. He can probably stay here since it's a political thing now.

el Baghdadi is welcome here if it's up to me. I never had a big problem with allowing refugees, political refugees, into the country. Economical refugees less so but even there I can't find the right moral arguments to shut them out completely. Eventually people that are looking for a better life than the one they had are usually the people you want in your country to begin with. No matter what their background and culture is.

Iyad, if you're reading this, I have read many of your posts and I'm grateful that you posted your insights here. I did not realize you are in this kind of turmoil. I hope these matters will be resolved shortly. The best of luck and I hope you return to the forums at some point.

[jmdrake]

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Dude's a regular Edward Snowden!

http://i1.cpcache.com/product_zoom/58086776/last_great_act_of_defiance_black_tshirt.jpg

[heavenlyboy34]

Meatballs with grape jelly , LOL .Kludge is the man . He got by with it .

I've been cooking mine in grape jelly and bbq sauce for many moons. VERY tasty! :D If you cook them just right they get a nice spicy/sweet glaze. :cool:

[amy31416]

He's asked me to share this video on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE

[malkusm]

Swedes are goofy.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/The_Swedish_Chef.jpg

[heavenlyboy34]

He's asked me to share this video on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE
Teh amypi haz connections! I am impress. :cool:

[amy31416]

Teh amypi haz connections! I am impress. :cool:

No need to be impressed, I consider him an e-friend and a rather thoughtful, independent, possibly revolutionary individual--if his message gets out. Share the video on YouTube, FB or whatever social media you use. :)

[green73]

Come on mods! Fix the title ffs.

[amy31416]

Come on mods! Fix the title ffs.

Okay, okay...he's not a "former" member, geez. I don't mind if the mods fix it though.

[Deborah K]

Luctor et emergo lives in the Netherlands - maybe he could go there?

[green73]

Okay, okay...he's not a "former" member, geez. I don't mind if the mods fix it though.

Geez what? It's not about you. This thread has a life now and deserves to be fixed.

[amy31416]

Geez what? It's not about you. This thread has a life now and deserves to be fixed.

Um. Of course it's not about me, it never was. Report it and ask the mods to fix it. I can't change the title.

[green73]

Um. Of course it's not about me, it never was. Report it and ask the mods to fix it. I can't change the title.

I know you can't.

[mczerone]

He's asked me to share this video on here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-MIZZ7NBlE

3,141,592 million thumbs up.

[amy31416]

3,141,592 million thumbs up.

It actually brought tears to my eyes when he started talking about his infant son--who strangely looks a bit like my daughter when she was an infant.

And yeah, cute pi response. :p

[oyarde]

Where is Iyad now ?

[amy31416]

Where is Iyad now ?

I believe he's in Oslo, could be wrong.

He mentioned that he had very slow internet, which is why he asked me to share the video, but it'd seem strange for Oslo to have lousy internet.

[oyarde]

I believe he's in Oslo, could be wrong.

He mentioned that he had very slow internet, which is why he asked me to share the video, but it'd seem strange for Oslo to have lousy internet.

Well , I am glad he made it that far away . So far so good then .

[amy31416]

http://www.el-baghdadi.com/index.php/item/142-philosophical-libertarianism-and-islam


Philosophical libertarianism and Islam
In my search in early Islamic intellectual history I noticed that early interpretations about free will were philosophically libertarian. In a free will context, "Libertarian" means the position that human beings have true free will, and a rejection of determinism. Pre-Islamic Quraysh, on the other hand, were hard determinists. They even commonly blamed their own immorality and excesses on fate. The Umayyads (direct as well as cultural descendants of Quraysh) would later seek to promote hard determinism under various guises. Umayyads (especially in their middle period) referred to fatalism in order to justify their own tyranny and to discourage rebellion.

Among the earliest "heretics" killed by the Umayyads was Ghaylan al Dimashqi, who was previously in the employ of Umar bin Abdulaziz. Umar bin Abdulaziz had tried to reverse the Umayyad trend, and appointed Ghaylan to return Umayyad family largesse back to the people. Ghaylan was both harsh and upfront about his despise and disgust with Umayyad excesses. After Umar's death he "had to go". So Umar's successors accused Ghaylan of being a "Qadari" (that he didn't believe in predestination) and tortured him to death for heresy. Till today he's often referred to as "Ghaylan al Qadari", although he almost certainly did not reject "qadar" (God's power on all things). If he had really been a heretic, Umar bin Abdulaziz (who was very selective) wouldn't have put him in such a high position. But then again history is written by the victors, and Ghaylan's story was written not by him but by those who put him to death for heresy.

More at link...haven't read it all yet myself.

[amy31416]

http://www.el-baghdadi.com/index.php/item/142-philosophical-libertarianism-and-islam


Philosophical libertarianism and Islam
In my search in early Islamic intellectual history I noticed that early interpretations about free will were philosophically libertarian. In a free will context, "Libertarian" means the position that human beings have true free will, and a rejection of determinism. Pre-Islamic Quraysh, on the other hand, were hard determinists. They even commonly blamed their own immorality and excesses on fate. The Umayyads (direct as well as cultural descendants of Quraysh) would later seek to promote hard determinism under various guises. Umayyads (especially in their middle period) referred to fatalism in order to justify their own tyranny and to discourage rebellion.

Among the earliest "heretics" killed by the Umayyads was Ghaylan al Dimashqi, who was previously in the employ of Umar bin Abdulaziz. Umar bin Abdulaziz had tried to reverse the Umayyad trend, and appointed Ghaylan to return Umayyad family largesse back to the people. Ghaylan was both harsh and upfront about his despise and disgust with Umayyad excesses. After Umar's death he "had to go". So Umar's successors accused Ghaylan of being a "Qadari" (that he didn't believe in predestination) and tortured him to death for heresy. Till today he's often referred to as "Ghaylan al Qadari", although he almost certainly did not reject "qadar" (God's power on all things). If he had really been a heretic, Umar bin Abdulaziz (who was very selective) wouldn't have put him in such a high position. But then again history is written by the victors, and Ghaylan's story was written not by him but by those who put him to death for heresy.

More at link...haven't read it all yet myself.

[Weston White]

No, lutefisk is only eaten to tolerated the women. He can come to Minnesota, I'll feed him Swedish meatballs and introduce him to our women...wait the meatballs have pork in them, nvm.

Better to just go with Rocky Mountain or "prairie" oysters with a side of baked lamb fries. Cannot go wrong with that. lolz.

Genius:


I'd take living in a dungeon but being able to speak over living in a palace but being unable to speak truth to power.

My goal was always to be able to work at peak productivity and to be able to speak truth to power as effectively as possible.

Truth is, safety was never my goal. If I was after safety I'd still be doing startup consultancy in Dubai.

Sorry about that. I didn't crawl through hell and back to exchange words with morons.

Create terrorists then send F-16s to bomb terrorists. Then present yourself as a front line hero in the war on terror.

[surf]

off (maybe on) topic: can someone tell me the name that Mr. Snowden posted here please?

[heavenlyboy34]

Luctor et emergo lives in the Netherlands - maybe he could go there?

Also, eduardo is an international man of mystery who might be of help. :cool:

[Weston White]

off (maybe on) topic: can someone tell me the name that Mr. Snowden posted here please?

It doesn't seem that he ever posted here. One of his known names is TheTrueHOOHA, see more at: www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?417836-Snowden-Wrote-700-Plus-Posts-on-Chat-Boards-About-Everything-From-Government-to-Girls

[Bastiat's The Law]

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I like this guy already.

[amy31416]

FYI: Iyad got to see his wife, baby boy on his 1st birthday and his own 38th birthday. Hoping this is permanent for him, but I don't have any details.

[Pericles]

FYI: Iyad got to see his wife, baby boy on his 1st birthday and his own 38th birthday. Hoping this is permanent for him, but I don't have any details.

9 times out of 10 in an asylum case, the decent guys get screwed over.