BREAKING! - NYC MSF bowling doc is possitive for Ebola!

[tangent4ronpaul]

Press conference in 15 minutes.

-t

[Miss Annie]

Press conference in 15 minutes.

-t

We had to know it was coming. Now we have to do something about the rampant stupidity that is going to be putting us all in danger. If an educated doctor does not have the friggin sense to self quarantine and stay put since his exposure - what are we to expect out of others????

[Philhelm]

What's an MSF bowling doc?

[tangent4ronpaul]

What's an MSF bowling doc?

The idiot who came back from working with Ebola patients and self quarantined for 21 days - but guess he got bored so went bowling after 10 days and was found sick in a gutter... after exposing a bunch of people

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

and he was sent to the hospital that has proven they have no clue how to use PPE. OH JOY! :mad:

Dallas REDUX :mad:

-t

[ghengis86]

What's an MSF bowling doc?

Medicine sans frontier. French for Doctors without Borders.

[sparebulb]

These do-gooder medical people that go over there are going to kill us all when they selfishly come back here.

[Miss Annie]

got link for press conference?

[FloralScent]

What an asshole.

[ghengis86]

got link for press conference?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-23/new-york-doctor-who-treated-ebola-patients-guniea-rushed-bellevue-hospital-post-repo

[tangent4ronpaul]

They grabbed his GF and put her on ice.
Interrogated him about his movements the last 3 days and contacts.
Apparently still have not talked to the bowling ally...

-t

ps: MSF ROCKS! Don't judge them based on one idiot.

[Occam's Banana]

What's an MSF bowling doc?

http://www.msf.org.uk/sites/uk/files/msf_logo_web_header.jpg
http://www.picgifs.com/graphics/b/bowling/graphics-bowling-444895.gif
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Screen_shot_2013-04-13_at_9_50_31_PM_6413.png

[sparebulb]

Apparently still have not talked to the bowling ally...

Bowling Alley was interviewed and said that doctor handled its balls and penetrated them digitally with a sweaty hand. The girlfriend may have a similar story...

[Dr.3D]

Bowling Alley was interviewed and said that doctor handled its balls and penetrated them digitally with a sweaty hand. The girlfriend may have a similar story...
Oh man, I hope they can disinfect their balls.

Seems the least he could have done is play with his own ball.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Bowling Alley was interviewed and said that doctor handled its balls and penetrated them digitally with a sweaty hand. The girlfriend may have a similar story...

Is this a serious post?

-t

[francisco]

Originally Posted by Miss Annie

got link for press conference?



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-23/new-york-doctor-who-treated-ebola-patients-guniea-rushed-bellevue-hospital-post-repo

Looks like press conference is about to start ~9:30 PM Eastern time

[tangent4ronpaul]

Oh man, I hope they can disinfect their balls.

Seems the least he could have done is play with his own ball.

Most ppl rent and don't own, unless they are really into it and play regularly.

-t

[green73]

Sure glad the CDC's $7 billion budget is proving money well spent. o_O

[RJB]

I won't believe this until I see what Natural News says about it.

[sparebulb]

Is this a serious post?

-t

It's a bit of a double entendre. So, the answer to your question is both yes and maybe not.

[Dr.3D]

I won't believe this until I see what Natural News says about it.
Even if AJ says it's true?

[Valli6]

Rand is in NYC tonight to give his foreign policy address at the Center for the National Interest dinner. :(
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?461871-Rand-Paul-gives-foriegn-policy-address-(transcript)

[RJB]

Even if AJ says it's true?

We'll have to wait and see :)

[Miss Annie]

Rand is in NYC tonight to give his foreign policy address at the Center for the National Interest dinner. :(
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?461871-Rand-Paul-gives-foriegn-policy-address-(transcript)

Please get tube?

[HOLLYWOOD]

My name is Mohammad Ali... many of you are familiar with my brothers... Bowling Alley

Woops, lookout, a nutcase with an Axe on the loose in NYC... FOX NEWS and Congressman Peter King calling terrorism! rep. King Seeking more police and intel personnel as well as spying on EVERYTHING.

Manhattan's Monkeys about to speak on their Ebola buffoonery

LIVE FEED NYC:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBH4m1U-0R0#t=2672

[donnay]

New York doctor tests positive for Ebola: NY Times


Reuters
By Ellen Wulfhorst 7 minutes ago

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A physician with Doctors Without Borders who returned to New York City after treating Ebola victims in West Africa has tested positive for the virus, the New York Times said on Thursday.

Dr. Craig Spencer, 33, developed a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms after working for the humanitarian organization in Guinea, one of three West African nations hardest hit by Ebola.

A specially trained team wearing protective gear transported Spencer to Bellevue Hospital from his Manhattan apartment, the city said in a statement.

The first confirmed case in America's largest city set off renewed fears about the spread of the virus, which has killed nearly 4,900 people, largely in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

The first person diagnosed with Ebola on U.S. soil flew from Liberia to Texas and later died in a Dallas hospital. Two nurses who treated him became infected with the virus and one took a commercial flight with a fever, prompting officials in several states to take steps to become better prepared to contain the virus.

The Times said a further test will be conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to confirm the initial test.

Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Governor Andrew Cuomo planned a news conference at the hospital for 9 p.m. ET.

A spokeswoman for the mayor said she could not confirm or deny the report and declined to comment ahead of the news conference.

De Blasio said earlier on Thursday that Spencer had been in direct contact with "very few" people.

However, the Times said Spencer traveled by subway to a bowling alley in the city's Brooklyn borough on Wednesday night and took a taxi home.

The bowling alley, identified by local media as the Gutter, was closed on Thursday. Heaven, a band that was due to perform, said on Twitter that its show had been canceled because of an Ebola scare.

The health department had said Spencer's test results would take about 12 hours. The Times said the city stepped up its laboratory capacity to get the results within four to six hours.

Continued... (http://news.yahoo.com/york-doctor-tests-positive-ebola-ny-times-004857476.html)

[Valli6]

Please get tube?
Not yet, just the transcript.
Also in NYC tonight - a crazy muslim attacked 2 cops with an ax, one critical.

[Miss Annie]

Not yet, just the transcript.
Also in NYC tonight - a crazy muslim attacked 2 cops with an ax, one critical.

I saw that earlier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/nyregion/new-york-police-fatally-shoot-man-who-attacked-officer-with-a-hatchet.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
People need to quit being so darn politically correct and wake up to radical Islam.

[XNavyNuke]

I won't believe this until I see what Natural News says about it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/047374_Ebola_outbreak_New_York_City_Dr_Craig_Spenc er.html

Here you go.
XNN

[Valli6]

Jerkoff talking in spanish. :rolleyes: What an asshole!

[HOLLYWOOD]

You can see the fear in the eyes of these tax tick NY politicians... they're sacred of economic lockdown

http://kwout.com/cutout/c/76/5m/v7g_bor.jpg (http://www.naturalnews.com/047374_Ebola_outbreak_New_York_City_Dr_Craig_Spenc er.html#)

Ebola doctor runs around NYC bowling alleys after telling authorities he was 'self-quarantined' (http://www.naturalnews.com/047374_Ebola_outbreak_New_York_City_Dr_Craig_Spenc er.html#)

[Anti Federalist]

Too early?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hUB44ltVJCA

[green73]

I won't believe this until I see what Natural News says about it.


Even if AJ says it's true?


We'll have to wait and see :)


What a couple of retards you two are. Bravo, bravo.

[Valli6]

Doctors Without Borders... or Quarantine Without Borders?
lol

[tangent4ronpaul]

news conf on now - bunch of lying sacks of shit...

[donnay]

news conf on now - bunch of lying sacks of shit...

How can that be, the CDC agrees with them and their protocols. I am sure the CDC has all the peered-reviewed studies.

[francisco]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-23/new-york-doctor-who-treated-ebola-patients-guniea-rushed-bellevue-hospital-post-repo

Presser just started 4:10 PM Eastern time

[Brian4Liberty]

But did the CDC tell the Doctor it was okay to bowl with Ebola? There aren't any rats in the sewer in New York are there?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Taking Vegas Odds on how many Manhattan workers calling in sick tomorrow...

Oh and count on the stock market...

http://kwout.com/cutout/a/m9/37/gyj_bor.jpg

Pre-Market Data (http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937#.)

[tangent4ronpaul]

anyone youtubing this? audio keeps cutting out. :(

they are lying, lying. lying...

-t

[FindLiberty]

re: stock market

Buy low, sell high...

[alucard13mm]

I don't think rats can carry it inside them, but I imagine rats walking in sewage that had ebola.. then skittering on to contaminate whatever with ebola on its legs.

[Valli6]

But did the CDC tell the Doctor it was okay to bowl with Ebola? There aren't any rats in the sewer in New York are there?
Henceforth, it will be known as E-BOWL-A.


New York City's Rats Are Carrying Viruses No One's Seen Before
October 19, 2014
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-citys-rats-carrying-viruses-130000460.html

[tangent4ronpaul]

From Uncle Shelbies ABZ book:

Q is for Quarantine: It means Come on in kids - FREE ICE CREAM!!!

-t

[donnay]

Henceforth, it will be known as E-BOWL-A.

Or Bowling for Ebola.

[Valli6]

They're trying to explain how he was self-quarantined, even though he was running around the city.

[Miss Annie]

They're trying to explain how he was self-quarantined, even though he was running around the city.

He took the A train and the L train. Went to a restaurant, bowling and jogging.

[donnay]

They're trying to explain how he was self-quarantined, even though he was running around the city.

Yes...first they say he self-quarantined and then they started to backpedaled . Then the doctor on the end said the minute he got a fever he self-quarantined. :rolleyes:

[Miss Annie]

From CDC website :

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with

blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola

[tangent4ronpaul]

Did they just say he rode in the subway???

OH FUCK!

[Brian4Liberty]

I don't think rats can carry it inside them, but I imagine rats walking in sewage that had ebola.. then skittering on to contaminate whatever with ebola on its legs.

Actually, it's a very good possibility that rats can carry the virus and spread it amongst themselves. Probably with no outward symptoms. Mother Nature has designed this virus specifically for primates.


They're trying to explain how he was self-quarantined, even though he was running around the city.

LOL, and then they say he wasn't self-quarantined. Talking out their asses right now.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes...first they say he self-quarantined and then they started to backpedaled . Then the doctor on the end said the minute he got a fever he self-quarantined. :rolleyes:

Back-pedaling as fast as they can. What comes out of their mouths very much resembles what comes out of an Ebola patient.

[donnay]

Did they just say he rode in the subway???

OH FUCK!

Calm down they said he was not symptomatic at the time. No worries...resume your shopping.

[Occam's Banana]

Henceforth, it will be known as E-BOWL-A.

h/t Carlybee: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?448000-Bestest-picture-thread-evaar!-%28The-trilogy%29/page123&p=5675060#post5675060

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3251

[Brian4Liberty]

Did they just say he rode in the subway???

OH FUCK!

Luckily, he was probably not contagious yet. But this is high-stakes Russian Roulette... you'll probably win, but if you lose, a couple of billion people might die.

[Miss Annie]

They're trying to explain how he was self-quarantined, even though he was running around the city.


He took the A train and the L train. Went to a restaurant, bowling and jogging.


From CDC website :

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with

blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola


Did they just say he rode in the subway???

OH FUCK!


Calm down they said he was not symptomatic at the time. No worries...resume you shopping.

They are leading people to believe that it is only transmitted through "intimate body fluids". But as you can see from the quote above from the CDC it is spread through sweat.
Sweaty bowling ball? Sweaty subway pole or seat?

[tangent4ronpaul]

He wasn't sick before he went bowling and ended up sick in a gutter so couldn't infect anyone...
it's only transmitted by direct contact with body fluids - repeated like 40 times BS!

anyone catching this - can you run the narrative?

[tangent4ronpaul]

They are leading people to believe that it is only transmitted through "intimate body fluids". But as you can see from the quote above from the CDC it is spread through sweat.
Sweaty bowling ball? Sweaty subway pole or seat?

DROPLET SPREAD... proximity - 10-20' maybe...

[tangent4ronpaul]

Bunch of clueless bureaucrats spouting lies.

[sparebulb]

They are leading people to believe that it is only transmitted through "intimate body fluids". But as you can see from the quote above from the CDC it is spread through sweat.
Sweaty bowling ball? Sweaty subway pole or seat?

It's all OK as long as he was wearing a condom.

[green73]

..

Behold, the latest fear train. Could it, perhaps, surpass the last?

[Brian4Liberty]

He wasn't sick before he went bowling and ended up sick in a gutter so couldn't infect anyone...
it's only transmitted by direct contact with body fluids - repeated like 40 times BS!

anyone catching this - can you run the narrative?

He was not sick in a gutter. "Gutter" was the name of the ebowling alley.

[Valli6]

So he felt sick on Tuesday, but ignored it and went out - because he didn't have a 104 fever yet.

[francisco]

lost the feed from the press conference..."an error has occured, please try again later"...

(how odd)

anyone who has retained the signal, please report anything important said


Meanwhile, in other news:



1st Ebola Case in W. African Nation of Mali


Mali reported its first case of Ebola late Thursday, marking a major setback for West African efforts to contain the deadly virus that now has affected six countries in the region and left nearly 5,000 dead.

Health Minister Ousmane Kone made the announcement on Malian television, saying that the patient was a 2-year-old girl who had come from neighboring Guinea, where the Ebola epidemic began last December.

The child was tested for the virus Wednesday at a hospital in the Malian town of Kayes, which is about 375 miles (600 kilometers) from the capital of Bamako.

"The sick child and the people who were in contact with her in Kayes were immediately identified and taken care of," Kone said...

...Health officials have long viewed Mali as one of the most vulnerable to Ebola's spread as the nation borders Guinea — one of the hardest-hit countries — and Senegal.

The World Health Organization said Wednesday that Ebola now has killed at least 4,877 people and infected 9,936 across West Africa. Nearly all the cases and deaths, though, have occurred in three countries — Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

Read more:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/threat-break-isolation-liberia-food-26399022

[Brian4Liberty]

Behold, the latest fear train. Could it, perhaps, surpass the last?

I'm not afraid. I'm going out on the town on a double date tonight.

3284

[donnay]

He wasn't sick before he went bowling and ended up sick in a gutter so couldn't infect anyone...
it's only transmitted by direct contact with body fluids - repeated like 40 times BS!

anyone catching this - can you run the narrative?

He went bowling at a place named: The Gutter.

Are you trying to spread sensationalized rumors?

[Brian4Liberty]

Holy crap! Those scumbags at UNICEF are running commercials right now for donations to fight Ebola. Never let a crisis (or hysteria) go to waste...

[donnay]

Holy crap! Those scumbags at UNICEF are running commercials right now for donations to fight Ebola. Never let a crisis (or hysteria) go to waste...

They also ran a UNICEF commercial about staying in college. :rolleyes:

[tangent4ronpaul]

Got it. venue name, not description of infrastructure - sooo sorry!

Just noticed the guys surname. :( Very good likelihood he's a cousin I've never met. Moms side. UGH! :(

-t

[dillo]

How is someone that stupid a doctor?

[aGameOfThrones]

http://imgsrv.birminghamseagle.com/image/DbGraphic/201410/2973039.jpg

[green73]

How is someone that stupid a doctor?

Listen, let's not forget our age. This is Murica, and there is a lot of shady shit going down.

[RJB]

What a couple of retards you two are. Bravo, bravo.
Meh. I've been following potential tragedies: Y2K, bird flu, nuclear holocaust, etc. since I was in my early teens. The big one will hit some day, but I realized, I'd probably die of a heart attack first from over stressing all these duds.

Some day we all will die, until then prep your food, medicinals, know how to deal with emergencies, but never sweat it. It's part of life.

This may be the big one. More than likely (based on history) it isn't. I'm as prepared as I can be. May last breath will be with a joke on my lips and a prayer in my heart.

[green73]

Meh. I've been following potential tragedies: Y2K, bird flu, nuclear holocaust, etc. since I was in my early teens. The big one will hit some day, but I realized, I'd probably die of a heart attack first from over stressing all these duds.

Some day we all will die, until then prep your food, medicinals, know how to deal with emergencies, but never sweat it. It's part of life.

This may be the big one. More than likely (based on history) it isn't. I'm as prepared as I can be. May last breath will be with a joke on my lips and a prayer in my heart.

Fair enough.

[RJB]

Fair enough.
Actually, I'm going to duck out of the conversation. I appreciate the update everyone is giving, because we need the info-- this could be serious, but I just wanted to remind people not to let fear ruin your health or cloud the thinking.

[green73]

Actually, I'm going to duck out of the conversation. I appreciate the update everyone is giving, because we need the info-- this could be serious, but I just wanted to remind people not to let fear ruin your health or cloud the thinking.

The biggest thing to come from this will be the further loss of our liberties.

[kcchiefs6465]

Luckily, he was probably not contagious yet. But this is high-stakes Russian Roulette... you'll probably win, but if you lose, a couple of billion people might die.
Come on.

[pcosmar]

Is this a serious post?

-t

Gallows Humor.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

The biggest thing to come from this will be the further loss of our liberties.

This is why I feel this is such a tragedy. Wish the media and people on the internet would stop fear mongering. Glad to hear some people on this forum are keeping it in perspective. Plus rep.

[Antischism]

Not concerned. I live within walking distance of that hospital and take the L and A trains all the time. Doubt much will come out of this. I was actually born where he's being kept, haha.

Edit:

Just to add, the guy is an idiot for not self-quarantining for a while before going fucking bowling and whatnot. Regardless, I have to at least respect him for putting his life on the line to help in trying to stop the spread in Africa.

[puppetmaster]

Market will be interesting

[Miss Annie]

Market will be interesting

I think it was on zerohedge, I saw some interesting charts of just how this affected the markets today. You are right, it will be interesting.

[jonhowe]

I know I will not get ebola.



But I did take a downtown A train last night (apparently around the same time??), followed by a transfer to the L to Williamsburg. I followed the same path as him and saw a show just a few blocks away.
It's hard not to be a little freaked out.


I'll let you all know if my eyes start to bleed.

[Schifference]

Produce & bulk food. Go into the grocery with sweaty hands and touch all the fruits and vegetables while making your choice selection.

[CaptUSA]

Things are about to go crazy today.

[jbauer]

You have respect for some ahole who went to Africa to treat other sick people but who didn't have respect for his fellow man here in this country? How selfish to go work directly with the disease and then potentially expose others....just so he could go have fun. Its not like he needed to go away for the rest of his life. Its only 3 friggn weeks.

This guy deserves no respect. He is a selfish peice of trash. I certainly hope we don't use my tax dollars to treat this ahole.


Not concerned. I live within walking distance of that hospital and take the L and A trains all the time. Doubt much will come out of this. I was actually born where he's being kept, haha.

Edit:

Just to add, the guy is an idiot for not self-quarantining for a while before going fucking bowling and whatnot. Regardless, I have to at least respect him for putting his life on the line to help in trying to stop the spread in Africa.

[JK/SEA]

What an asshole.

attempted murder at this point.

[jbauer]

Just make sure that if you start running a fever and not feeling good that you run around town. Do some bowling. Cough/sneeze on a theater crowd. Make sure to lick each and every piece of fruit you touch at the grocery store.


I know I will not get ebola.



But I did take a downtown A train last night (apparently around the same time??), followed by a transfer to the L to Williamsburg. I followed the same path as him and saw a show just a few blocks away.
It's hard not to be a little freaked out.


I'll let you all know if my eyes start to bleed.

[JK/SEA]

maybe time to invest in a crematorium.

[sparebulb]

attempted murder at this point.

Agreed.

At the very least, he has exhibited a depraved indifference for human life among those in the US.

[AuH20]

This has been a long time coming. Just think about the people that you run into everyday who are completely ignorant and believe that the status quo will continue for eternity. There is almost a pathological belief that the natural rules governing the planet somehow do not apply to them. War. Famine. Disease. Pestilence. Yeah. That's remnants from the past. ;):D I think we're getting closer to shearing day.

[JK/SEA]

This has been a long time coming. Just think about the people that you run into everyday who are completely ignorant and believe that the status quo will continue for eternity. There is almost a pathological belief that the natural rules governing the planet somehow do not apply to them.

yep.

[AuH20]

yep.

I call it first world psychosis.

[CaptUSA]

There have been lots of doors opened here. One of the most important things to do when dealing with an outbreak is to maintain traceability. The first time someone contracts the disease where it is not immediately traceable, panic will ensue. You can already see some mild hysteria already.

It seems like this latest outbreak has already crested (or is very close to the crest), but there have been lots of openings in this one. The next outbreak is going to be bad. Very, very bad.

[AuH20]

Meh. I've been following potential tragedies: Y2K, bird flu, nuclear holocaust, etc. since I was in my early teens. The big one will hit some day, but I realized, I'd probably die of a heart attack first from over stressing all these duds.

Some day we all will die, until then prep your food, medicinals, know how to deal with emergencies, but never sweat it. It's part of life.

This may be the big one. More than likely (based on history) it isn't. I'm as prepared as I can be. May last breath will be with a joke on my lips and a prayer in my heart.
Well, 50 million died worldwide from the Spanish Influenza epidemic in 1918. That was roughly 96 years ago. I'd say we're due for another purge.

[AuH20]

Ha ha. OMG. I love public officials!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/politics/andrew-cuomo-ebola/index.html

[kcchiefs6465]

So is that number 3 or number 4?

Within all this hysteria and chaos, I'm losing track counting on my fingers.

[Valli6]

Ebola hearing on now C-SPAN2

majority of symptoms appear 7-11 days after exposure
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?460676-First-US-case-of-Ebola&p=5681499#post5681499

Hearing streaming on CSPAN2 http://www.c-span.org/video/?322258-1/hearing-us-response-ebola-outbreak&live

So if anyone was infected by this doctor, we should begin to hear about it the day before Halloween.

http://www.hotglitters.net/glitterjoy/comments/halloween/trick-or-treat.gif

[Lucille]

NYPD Stunner: Cops Exit Ebola Victim Apartment, Dump Gloves, Masks In Sidewalk Trash Can
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-24/nypd-stunner-cops-exit-ebola-victim-appartment-dump-gloves-masks-sidewalk-trash-can


If there was one theme from last night's Cuomo/De Blasio Ebola press conference it was 'how everyone has been preparing for months' for Ebola. We can all be reassured, right? Wrong! As The Daily Mail reports (and these stunning photos show), the police officers involved in securing Dr. Spencer tossed their gloves, masks and the caution tape used to block off access to his apartment in a public trash can.
[...]
Not just any trash can, but one on a public street corner...

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10-overflow/20141024_NYPD1.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10-overflow/20141024_NYPD2.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10-overflow/20141024_NYPD3.jpg

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/10-overflow/20141024_NYPD4.jpg

While it is unclear whether the police entered the apartment (which is now locked down and isolated), some are suggesting that for the sake of safety - not to mention public sanity - it would have made sense to discard of these masks and gloves and tape in a biohazard bag.

* * *

Seems like not everyone has been preparing for months (since August) for Ebola... no matter, we are all assured by Cuomo's reassuring words that Ebola is very hard to catch (just don't tell the hundreds of healthcare workers who have been infected despit all their precautions).

[osan]

Medicine sans frontier. French for Doctors without Bordersrains.

Fixed that fer'y.

[JK/SEA]

same as AIDS..

no worries.

[osan]

You can see the fear in the eyes of these tax tick NY politicians... they're sacred of economic lockdown

http://kwout.com/cutout/c/76/5m/v7g_bor.jpg (http://www.naturalnews.com/047374_Ebola_outbreak_New_York_City_Dr_Craig_Spenc er.html#)

Ebola doctor runs around NYC bowling alleys after telling authorities he was 'self-quarantined' (http://www.naturalnews.com/047374_Ebola_outbreak_New_York_City_Dr_Craig_Spenc er.html#)

If a few more cases erupt and can be tied to this imbecile doctor, implying contagion, it should be amusing to sit back and watch how the rats respond... all from the comfort of my remote farm in the western reaches of West Virginia. Might not be so amusing, however, for the people stuck there. The mass exodus could prove most interesting... after all, where would most of those people go? But if a panic breaks out, everyone will be bolting for the doors.

I trust we all here realize just how tenuous this could become, and in fact, already is? Naught more than the mere perception of danger is needed to initiate a stampede.

I am thinking Theye have finally unleashed a perfect boogeyman... at least for certain markets.

Someone bring the popcorn. I've got the beer and hooch. This may prove amusing.

[muh_roads]

Sure glad the CDC's $7 billion budget is proving money well spent. o_O

It's almost $12b, but who is counting?

It really is amazing how much money pours into Government departments. When a private company reports earnings for $1b for a year it is a huge deal. These Government assholes get orders of magnitude more each year.

[JK/SEA]

reminds me of that old sci-fi movie This Island Earth for some reason. Their planet is constantly under attack, and finally...they succumb...

[Brian4Liberty]

You have respect for some ahole who went to Africa to treat other sick people but who didn't have respect for his fellow man here in this country? How selfish to go work directly with the disease and then potentially expose others....just so he could go have fun. Its not like he needed to go away for the rest of his life. Its only 3 friggn weeks.

This guy deserves no respect. He is a selfish peice of trash. I certainly hope we don't use my tax dollars to treat this ahole.


One of these Doctors was on CNN last night talking about this. It does come off as a bit of an ego thing. They do their volunteering, probably with vacation time, and when they come back, they want to go straight back to work so that they can "make money and pay the bills".

IMHO, quarantine time and arrangements need to be built into these charity vacations. They should have a comfortable place with an internet connection to wait out those 21 days. Self-quarantine is an obvious failure with medical personnel.

[osan]

reminds me of that old sci-fi movie This Island Earth for some reason. Their planet is constantly under attack, and finally...they succumb...

Great flick. Only problem: we don't have space ships with which to escape the planet. :(

[Brian4Liberty]

While it should be policy to be extra safe with quarantine of exposed persons, to the best of our knowledge at this point, a patient is not contagious until they run a fever. And the exposure would be at it's worse when they start vomiting. When one of these patients spews on a crowded subway train, then we have big problems.

In this specific situation, it's highly unlikely that anyone at the bowling alley, restaurant or subway was exposed. His partner would be at the highest risk, and even she will probably not get it. At this point, it's the people treating and caring for him that are at the greatest risk.

[luctor-et-emergo]

If those cops went into the apartment and discarded their gloves in a publicly accessible trash bin instead of an appropriate biohazard bag they should not only be quarantined for 21 days, they should also be prosecuted for endangering public safety. Either the cops directly or their superiors for not informing them correctly. Someone should get some punishment for this.

Ebola is not hard to 'stop', except when there are idiots like these (apparently) who don't seem to understand even the basics of the infectious nature of ebola. Public officials dealing with ebola should be well informed, if they are not someone should be punished for that. They endanger a lot of people out of carelessness which is completely and 100% avoidable with proper protocols.

PS: just some funny thoughts regarding that; cops sometimes 'bend' the laws a bit so they turn out in their favor. It seems like they are trying to do the same with the laws of nature. Like they are suspended above them. Like Doug Stanhope says so eloquently; "If you sit on a tack - You will bleed from the Ass."

[Brian4Liberty]

If those cops went into the apartment and discarded their gloves in a publicly accessible trash bin instead of an appropriate biohazard bag they should not only be quarantined for 21 days, they should also be prosecuted for endangering public safety. Either the cops directly or their superiors for not informing them correctly. Someone should get some punishment for this.

Ebola is not hard to 'stop', except when there are idiots like these (apparently) who don't seem to understand even the basics of the infectious nature of ebola. Public officials dealing with ebola should be well informed, if they are not someone should be punished for that. They endanger a lot of people out of carelessness which is completely and 100% avoidable with proper protocols.

I would guess that the tape was outside the apartment, and those cops never went into the apartment.

[Anti Federalist]

If those cops went into the apartment and discarded their gloves in a publicly accessible trash bin instead of an appropriate biohazard bag they should not only be quarantined for 21 days, they should also be prosecuted for endangering public safety. Either the cops directly or their superiors for not informing them correctly. Someone should get some punishment for this.

Ebola is not hard to 'stop', except when there are idiots like these (apparently) who don't seem to understand even the basics of the infectious nature of ebola. Public officials dealing with ebola should be well informed, if they are not someone should be punished for that. They endanger a lot of people out of carelessness which is completely and 100% avoidable with proper protocols.

Cops.

Held accountable?

Punished for violations of procedure and policies?

Cops.

http://ldsrr91.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/you-want-it-when-cartoon.jpg

[jonhowe]

If a few more cases erupt and can be tied to this imbecile doctor, implying contagion, it should be amusing to sit back and watch how the rats respond... all from the comfort of my remote farm in the western reaches of West Virginia. Might not be so amusing, however, for the people stuck there. The mass exodus could prove most interesting... after all, where would most of those people go? But if a panic breaks out, everyone will be bolting for the doors.

I trust we all here realize just how tenuous this could become, and in fact, already is? Naught more than the mere perception of danger is needed to initiate a stampede.

I am thinking Theye have finally unleashed a perfect boogeyman... at least for certain markets.

Someone bring the popcorn. I've got the beer and hooch. This may prove amusing.

Luckily I live near a number of the uptown bridges. I have family about a 3 days walk from here, and I always have 5 days of supplies.


EDIT: NPR (WNYC) just reported that the cleaning crew for the patient's apartment wore no protective gear...

[luctor-et-emergo]

Cops.

Held accountable?

Punished for violations of procedure and policies?

Cops.

http://ldsrr91.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/you-want-it-when-cartoon.jpg

It will probably never happen, but it should.

[Antischism]

You have respect for some ahole who went to Africa to treat other sick people but who didn't have respect for his fellow man here in this country? How selfish to go work directly with the disease and then potentially expose others....just so he could go have fun. Its not like he needed to go away for the rest of his life. Its only 3 friggn weeks.

This guy deserves no respect. He is a selfish peice of trash. I certainly hope we don't use my tax dollars to treat this ahole.


[/B]

I don't think it's that black and white. I agree that he should have self-quarantined for a period of time and refrained from going out and about until he was positive Ebola wasn't present in his system, but he was asymptomatic so the risk of exposing others was extremely low, if not nil. The guy was "reckless," especially for a doctor who was in contact with Ebola patients, I don't disagree with that. He did monitor his temperature and seek medical attention as soon as the symptoms presented themselves, and he did risk his life to help contain the outbreak in Africa, which is crucial. Given that, I find it difficult to just write him off as an asshole. However, I'd have a very different opinion of him if it were contagious at the stage where symptoms aren't present.

[Nirvikalpa]

One of these Doctors was on CNN last night talking about this. It does come off as a bit of an ego thing. They do their volunteering, probably with vacation time, and when they come back, they want to go straight back to work so that they can "make money and pay the bills".

IMHO, quarantine time and arrangements need to be built into these charity vacations. They should have a comfortable place with an internet connection to wait out those 21 days. Self-quarantine is a obvious failure with medical personnel.

To be fair, he was not allowed to work at Presbyterian or come in contact with patients during the quarantine period. They banned healthcare workers (including volunteers in Africa) from returning to work for 21 days.

[Working Poor]

Even if AJ says it's true?

AJ is doing a bang up job fear mongering over Ebola.

[Brian4Liberty]

To be fair, he was not allowed to work at Presbyterian or come in contact with patients during the quarantine period. They banned healthcare workers (including volunteers in Africa) from returning to work for 21 days.

That's good.

This was a different Doctor on CNN discussing all of the reasons why he could not quarantine himself after treating Ebola patients in Africa. "Have to go to work", "have to make money", "have to go out and get food", "too boring to stay at home", etc. I got the impression, rightly or not, that his trips to Africa were mostly for entertainment and his resume, and likely his religion advocates good works or atonement.

[Lucille]

http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2014/10/ebola-in-nyc.html


I suspect a lot of Americans will be feeling rather conflicted about the latest Ebola news:
[...]
The thing is, this variant of Ebola doesn't appear to be as contagious as originally feared. Once it became clear that the family who stayed in an apartment with the sick Liberian who died did not become infected, and that none of the police and paramedics who attended him without proper precautions did not become infected either, the logical conclusion is that there will not be a massive African-style outbreak in the USA.

Of course, the logical conclusion can only hold insofar as the information we have is accurate. So, it's certainly too soon to be confident that the danger has passed. But let's face it, if the country wasn't being run by the sort of idiot Axis of Lunacy people elected by NYC voters, there wouldn't be any Ebola in the country in the first place. Actions have consequences, after all. Vote Obama, get Ebola in your neighborhood.

[seapilot]

Look at this logically.

No one has gotten infected so far reported from casual contact with a person that was infected with ebola. None of the Liberian associates even the ones that lived in the apt for days after he was sick and threw up on the sidewalk. Not even his GF who slept in the same bed with him. None of the people around the nurses have reported sickness.

When there is a casual contact reported with Ebola or someone has no clue how they contracted it, that is when the alarm bells should sound.

This has so far shown to be contagious when the infected person is close to death(incapacitated) or dead. If someone is laying down in their own vomit and waste stay the hell away. The biggest immediate risk NOW is to healthcare workers. The most in danger coming around that DOC are the people in that hospital, treating him in NY. As of date no one in USA has survived without treatment in a level 4 hospital staffed by 60 or more people for one patient. Get him to one of the Level 4 hospitals ASAP so no more healthcare workers get it.

[luctor-et-emergo]

Look at this logically.

No one has gotten infected so far reported from casual contact with a person that was infected with ebola. None of the Liberian associates even the ones that lived in the apt for days after he was sick and threw up on the sidewalk. Not even his GF who slept in the same bed with him. None of the people around the nurses have reported sickness.

Without any knowledge on the specific subject matter, it could be possible that a (maybe rather large) portion of the population already has some form of antibodies protecting them against ebola. Although sometimes large parts of families have been wiped out by ebola, sometimes people rather close don't seem to catch it. I am not talking of first hand experience here, I have just read some studies and watched some documentaries as well as news reports. It could be possible that there are some parameters that have to be met before someone can be infected. I do not know. What is certain though is that it has nothing to do with the health of the person acquiring the disease. Otherwise healthy people have caught it. If there are factors that have to be met before infection is successful or if some people have antibodies then this is not known at this point.

It is my opinion that while we may have a more hygienic society in the west this could also be our downfall in this regard. I don't like the panic that some people show but we do have to be vigilant. At this point anyone is just as likely to catch the disease when coming into contact with it, no hard facts prove otherwise. If the disease spreads here because we underestimate the problem then our economies will be crippled. Unlike African countries with little or no GDP to speak of this will affect us. We don't have to quarantine everyone or start taking civil liberties away, we should however be very careful and precise with how we educate the people that are dealing with any patients that may arise in the future.

[Brian4Liberty]

Look at this logically.

No one has gotten infected so far reported from casual contact with a person that was infected with ebola. None of the Liberian associates even the ones that lived in the apt for days after he was sick and threw up on the sidewalk. Not even his GF who slept in the same bed with him. None of the people around the nurses have reported sickness.

When there is a casual contact reported with Ebola or someone has no clue how they contracted it, that is when the alarm bells should sound.

This has so far shown to be contagious when the infected person is close to death(incapacitated) or dead. If someone is laying down in their own vomit and waste stay the hell away. The biggest immediate risk NOW is to healthcare workers. The most in danger coming around that DOC are the people in that hospital, treating him in NY. As of date no one in USA has survived without treatment in a level 4 hospital staffed by 60 or more people for one patient. Get him to one of the Level 4 hospitals ASAP so no more healthcare workers get it.

Agree.

[Miss Annie]

NYPD Stunner: Cops Exit Ebola Victim Apartment, Dump Gloves, Masks In Sidewalk Trash Can
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-24/nypd-stunner-cops-exit-ebola-victim-appartment-dump-gloves-masks-sidewalk-trash-can


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmq7cVizMHE

[navy-vet]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Miss Annie again.

[Lucille]

LOL I love Doug Stanhope:


Dear audience of last two week. The efforts of our "Ebolathon" to wish ebola on NYC have paid off. http://www.newser.com/story/197691/new-york-city-doctor-tests-positive-for-ebola.html ‪#‎EbolaStrong‬

#EbolaStrong LOL

[TheCount]

Without any knowledge on the specific subject matter, it could be possible that a (maybe rather large) portion of the population already has some form of antibodies protecting them against ebola.

Your suggestion is that people on a continent without Ebola have evolved an immunity to Ebola?

[navy-vet]

Without any knowledge on the specific subject matter, it could be possible that a (maybe rather large) portion of the population already has some form of antibodies protecting them against ebola. Although sometimes large parts of families have been wiped out by ebola, sometimes people rather close don't seem to catch it. I am not talking of first hand experience here, I have just read some studies and watched some documentaries as well as news reports. It could be possible that there are some parameters that have to be met before someone can be infected. I do not know. What is certain though is that it has nothing to do with the health of the person acquiring the disease. Otherwise healthy people have caught it. If there are factors that have to be met before infection is successful or if some people have antibodies then this is not known at this point.

It is my opinion that while we may have a more hygienic society in the west this could also be our downfall in this regard. I don't like the panic that some people show but we do have to be vigilant. At this point anyone is just as likely to catch the disease when coming into contact with it, no hard facts prove otherwise. If the disease spreads here because we underestimate the problem then our economies will be crippled. Unlike African countries with little or no GDP to speak of this will affect us. We don't have to quarantine everyone or start taking civil liberties away, we should however be very careful and precise with how we educate the people that are dealing with any patients that may arise in the future.
Interesting perspective, I haven't heard this before but it is consistent with my understanding of human immunology and genetics. Love this "thinking outside of the box" approach. Sounds plausible.

[navy-vet]

Interesting perspective, I haven't heard this before but it is consistent with my understanding of human immunology and genetics. Love this "thinking outside of the box" approach. Sounds plausible.
and frightening...

[Acala]

Without any knowledge on the specific subject matter, it could be possible that a (maybe rather large) portion of the population already has some form of antibodies protecting them against ebola. Although sometimes large parts of families have been wiped out by ebola, sometimes people rather close don't seem to catch it. I am not talking of first hand experience here, I have just read some studies and watched some documentaries as well as news reports. It could be possible that there are some parameters that have to be met before someone can be infected. I do not know. What is certain though is that it has nothing to do with the health of the person acquiring the disease. Otherwise healthy people have caught it. If there are factors that have to be met before infection is successful or if some people have antibodies then this is not known at this point.

It is my opinion that while we may have a more hygienic society in the west this could also be our downfall in this regard. I don't like the panic that some people show but we do have to be vigilant. At this point anyone is just as likely to catch the disease when coming into contact with it, no hard facts prove otherwise. If the disease spreads here because we underestimate the problem then our economies will be crippled. Unlike African countries with little or no GDP to speak of this will affect us. We don't have to quarantine everyone or start taking civil liberties away, we should however be very careful and precise with how we educate the people that are dealing with any patients that may arise in the future.

Or it is only contagious for a very short period of time during which the infected person is obviously extremely ill and can be avoided by people who are not wearing protective gear.

[Brian4Liberty]

Your suggestion is that people on a continent without Ebola have evolved an immunity to Ebola?

Some people are "immune" to HIV. If the virus requires something to successfully infect you, and you do not have that something, you are immune to that virus.

CCR5 mutation:
http://www.livescience.com/9983-immune-hiv.html

[satchelmcqueen]

and this is why the human race will kill itself off. no self preservation in 95% of the people. if someone gets a "want, need or desire" they will put everyone around them in a bad spot to get it.

[Working Poor]

bowl with Ebola?

Oh I get it it's a joke right?

[Dr.3D]

Oh I get it it's a joke right?
Did Ebola perfect game?

[navy-vet]

Did Ebola perfect game?
lol
That reminded me of a Three Stooges parody..

[ChristianAnarchist]

Meh. I've been following potential tragedies: Y2K, bird flu, nuclear holocaust, etc. since I was in my early teens. The big one will hit some day, but I realized, I'd probably die of a heart attack first from over stressing all these duds.

Some day we all will die, until then prep your food, medicinals, know how to deal with emergencies, but never sweat it. It's part of life.

This may be the big one. More than likely (based on history) it isn't. I'm as prepared as I can be. May last breath will be with a joke on my lips and a prayer in my heart.

I 2nd that motion...

[HOLLYWOOD]

FYI, Don't know if anyone has seen this airing on PBS...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/surviving-ebola.html

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NOVA | Surviving Ebola (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/surviving-ebola.html)