Expelled Nazis got millions in Social Security

[donnay]

Expelled Nazis got millions in Social Security

By DAVID RISING, RANDY HERSCHAFT and RICHARD LARDNER
Associated Press

OSIJEK, Croatia (AP) -- Dozens of suspected Nazi war criminals and SS guards collected millions of dollars in U.S. Social Security benefits after being forced out of the United States, an Associated Press investigation has found.

The payments, underwritten by American taxpayers, flowed through a legal loophole that gave the U.S. Justice Department leverage to persuade Nazi suspects to leave the U.S. If they agreed to go, or simply fled before deportation, they could keep their Social Security, according to interviews and internal U.S. government records.

Among those receiving benefits were armed SS troops who guarded the network of Nazi camps where millions of Jews perished; a rocket scientist who used slave laborers to advance his research in the Third Reich; and a Nazi collaborator who engineered the arrest and execution of thousands of Jews in Poland.

There are at least four living beneficiaries. They include Martin Hartmann, a former SS guard at the Sachsenhausen camp in Germany, and Jakob Denzinger, who patrolled the grounds at the Auschwitz camp complex in Poland.

Hartmann moved to Berlin in 2007 from Arizona just before being stripped of his U.S. citizenship. Denzinger fled to Germany from Ohio in 1989 after learning denaturalization proceedings against him were underway. He soon resettled in Croatia and now lives in a spacious apartment on the right bank of the Drava River in Osijek. Denzinger would not discuss his situation when questioned by an AP reporter; Denzinger's son, who lives in the U.S., confirmed his father receives Social Security payments and said he deserved them.

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[cindy25]

they paid into it, and were never convicted of anything

[FloralScent]

they paid into it, and were never convicted of anything

Exactly

[jkr]

SHOW
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MONIIES!!!

[thoughtomator]

I'm less concerned about the Nazis of 3 generations ago than I am about today's versions.

[milgram]

I don't think "bad" people should be refused the benefits anyone else would get. It sets a troubling precedent.

The issue here is whether the DOJ should be able to use SS to essentially bribe individuals to do what it wants.

[donnay]

they paid into it, and were never convicted of anything

You're missing a serious point here:


Social Security benefits became tools, U.S. diplomatic officials said, to secure agreements in which Nazi suspects would accept the loss of citizenship and voluntarily leave the United States.

How did they exactly pay into it?

[FloralScent]

You're missing a serious point here:

How did they exactly pay into it?

..


Hartmann moved to Berlin in 2007 from Arizona just before being stripped of his U.S. citizenship. Denzinger fled to Germany from Ohio in 1989 after learning denaturalization proceedings against him were underway.

[donnay]

I'm less concerned about the Nazis of 3 generations ago than I am about today's versions.


Operation Paperclip secretly brought in the worst of the worst into this country. For years it was considered by most nothing more than a Conspiracy Theory. Things that are going on today all stem from this being done.

[Anti-Neocon]

What's your issue here - that they made the agreements with the suspects, or that they paid the suspects? Note that they in their old age are still just "suspects".

[donnay]

What's your issue here - that they made the agreements with the suspects, or that they paid the suspects? Note that they in their old age are still just "suspects".

The issue is our government has paid for genocidal maniacs over and over again--with American taxpayers money. The fact that Social Security checks were used as tools is a reason why we cannot get people to abolish it in this country. Why so many of the older people freaked out when Ron Paul talked about abolishing the social security-- because it is a tool.

[RonPaulMall]

Operation Paperclip secretly brought in the worst of the worst into this country. For years it was considered by most nothing more than a Conspiracy Theory. Things that are going on today all stem from this being done.

Operation Paperclip was primarily concerned with scientists, few of whom were even political at all, let alone "Nazis". Hardly any of the people OSI went after were "the worst of the worst" or even bad in the slightest. They were just people who immigrated immediately after the war when war propaganda was still in full swing and had to lie on their immigration papers because US law banned massive swaths of the German population from legally coming in.

[donnay]

Operation Paperclip was primarily concerned with scientists, few of whom were even political at all, let alone "Nazis". Hardly any of the people OSI went after were "the worst of the worst" or even bad in the slightest. They were just people who immigrated immediately after the war when war propaganda was still in full swing and had to lie on their immigration papers because US law banned massive swaths of the German population from legally coming in.

Scientists who practiced eugenics.

Operation Nazification – U.S. Military Hired Sixteen Hundred Nazi Scientists and Doctors
http://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-nazification-u-s-military-hired-sixteen-hundred-nazi-scientists-and-doctors/5369981

[FindLiberty]

Because there is important work to do: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?461679-Secret-Project-Created-Weaponized-Ebola-in-South-Africa-in-the-1980s&p=5678166#post5678166

[Ender]

I am against SS in the first place- still:

There would have been no Nazi/Hitler regime if the US had stayed out of WWI.

The US refused refuge for 1000's of Jews who were trying to escape Germany. It wasn't cool to be a Jew in the US until about the 1960's.

[juleswin]

This is sorta like how the casinos will try to kick customers banned from the casinos from collecting their winning after they were allowed to get on the floor and spin. If you didn't want them to win, then you cannot collect their money in the first place. They claim SS is not welfare but something one is entitled to after paying in for so many years.

Give them their money and shut up

[MRK]

Scientists who practiced eugenics.

Operation Nazification – U.S. Military Hired Sixteen Hundred Nazi Scientists and Doctors
http://www.globalresearch.ca/operation-nazification-u-s-military-hired-sixteen-hundred-nazi-scientists-and-doctors/5369981

Their eugenics programs were preceded and partially inspired by American eugenics programs.


Eugenics, the social movement claiming to improve the genetic features of human populations through selective breeding and sterilization,[1] based on the idea that it is possible to distinguish between superior and inferior elements of society,[2] played a significant role in the history and culture of the United States prior to its involvement in World War II.[3]

Eugenics was practised in the United States many years before eugenics programs in Nazi Germany[4] and U.S. programs provided much of the inspiration for the latter.[5][6][7] Stefan Kühl has documented the consensus between Nazi race policies and those of eugenicists in other countries, including the United States, and points out that eugenicists understood Nazi policies and measures as the realization of their goals and demands.[5]

A hallmark of the Progressive Era of the late 19th and early 20th century, now generally associated with racist and nativist elements (as the movement was to some extent a reaction to a change in emigration from Europe) rather than scientific genetics, eugenics was considered a method of preserving and improving the dominant groups in the population.

Today eugenics in the United States is still officially permitted. Between 2006 and 2010 close to 150 women were sterilized in Californian prisons without state approval. Between 1997 and 2010, the state paid $147,460 to doctors for tubal ligations.[8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

Murca

[Pericles]

This is sorta like how the casinos will try to kick customers banned from the casinos from collecting their winning after they were allowed to get on the floor and spin. If you didn't want them to win, then you cannot collect their money in the first place. They claim SS is not welfare but something one is entitled to after paying in for so many years.

Give them their money and shut up

I would happily accept a refund of all SS taxes I have paid and forgo any future benefit.

[Acala]

they paid into it, and were never convicted of anything

Yup. Being "suspected" of something should mean nothing at all. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

But SS should be abolished entirely.