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Origanalist
10-12-2014, 08:18 PM
"Crush the Seed of Ishmael": A "Final Solution" to the "Muslim Problem"

We have reached a point in our nation's descent into psychotic tribalist fear where people of stature and apparent sobriety unabashedly use the expression “final solution” when discussing the existence of Muslims.

For ISIS “and those similarly motivated,” insists retired Marine Lt. Col. James G. Zumwalt in an essay published by Family Security Matters, “a rational world should recognize but one `final solution' exists – their extinction.”

For Zumwalt. “those similarly motivated” is an expansive category, which includes not only “al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, the mullahs of Iran, Somalia's Shababb, [and the] Khorasan group,” but also their Muslim victims. On the basis of murkily sourced atrocity accounts and propaganda videos of dubious provenance, Zumwalt concludes that the victims of ISIS exhibit a “Muslim death wish” by supposedly allowing themselves to be killed without seeking “to overpower their captors.”

“The message to take from Muslim victims unwilling to save themselves to pursue their promised afterlife should be clear: their murderers will never be convinced to stop killing,” asserts Zumwalt. An unspoken but undeniable corollary of his view is that wholesale annihilation of Muslim populations is strategically necessary and morally justifiable, because Muslim victims of terrorism are infected with the same “ideology” as their captors.

Zumwalt is a prominent mouthpiece for the Military-Industrial Complex, and it's not surprising that his views are echoed by other members of the Pentagon-aligned Commentariat. For example, Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer claims that Syrians under siege by ISIS have pleaded, “Please bomb us! We'd rather be bombed and dead, than raped by ISIS.”

For Zumwalt, the only good Muslim is one who has been violently dispatched to his anticipated paradise. Shaffer refines that message by suggesting that good Muslims display their virtue by begging for the US government to kill them.


Convert or die: Robertson.
“Kill them all, for God will know his own,” recommended the religious adviser to the pious Crusaders laying siege to the castle at Beziers, setting their minds at ease over the prospect of killing orthodox Catholics along with Albigensian heretics. That mandate, adapted to a literary level suitable for “reality” television, was recently renewed by Duck Dynasty patriarch (and, therefore, theological heavyweight) Phil Robertson with application to Muslims: “In this case, you either have to convert them – which I think would be next to impossible … or kill them.”

Yes, Robertson was referring specifically to the much-dreaded and nearly omnipotent ISIS, but his core audience consists of people who have been convinced that all Muslims are, at best, latent Jihadists who seethe with unconsummated and irrepressible lust to slit the throats of all infidels.

ISIS “is doing to America [sic] journalists what every true follower of Mohammed wants to do to you and yours: subjugate or murder you,” shrills Gary Cass, who apparently regards himself as a pastor of some variety. “They believe they have been given a mandate by Allah [Satan] to dominate the world.”

Cass, who maintains a website called DefendChristians.org, apparently isn't aware that Allah (a cognate for Elohim) is an ancient Name-title of the Deity used by millions of Arab Christians who neither worship Satan, nor seek the triumph of a global Caliphate. He is also tone-deaf to the implications of the three “solutions” he proposes for the Muslim world.
The first “solution” is mass conversion, which he dismisses as a genetic impossibility, given their descent from Abraham by way of his supposedly cursed son Ishmael.

“God has a plan, and he revealed it at the birth of Ishmael, the father of the Arabs,” Cass pontificates. “The Arab Muslims are God's sworn enemies and are ordained by God to be against everyone.”

Terrible, having bad blood like that. This leads to Cass's second “solution” – “Depart All Muslims Now” (which he puckishly reduces to the acronym DAMN), which means either mass sterilization, mass expulsion, or some combination of the two.


Peddling mass murder: Cass at the pulpit.
“Muslims in America are procreating at twice the rate of other groups,” writes Cass. Displaying either culpable ignorance of the historical resonance of his suggestion, or depraved delight therein, Cass said that our options are either to “force them all to get sterilized, or we wait for the `Army of Islam' to arise in our midst and do what Muslims always do, resort to violence.”

It has been said that contemporary tyrants read Orwell as an instruction manual. Cass makes similar use of Exodus 1:8-10, which describes how Pharaoh, alarmed over Hebrew fecundity, employed quasi-genocidal means to reduce their numbers for the purpose of strategic pre-emption.

Neither forced conversion, government-inflicted barrenness, nor mass expulsion offers an appropriate remedy, according to Cass, which leaves us with his final “solution”: “Violence.”
Since “every mosque in America is conspiring to kill you and yours,” Cass maintains, “we must be prepared for the increase of terror at home and abroad.... Muslims cannot live in a society based on Christian ideals of equality and liberty. They will always seek to harm us. Now the only question is how many more dead bodies have to pile up at home and abroad before we crush the vicious seed of Ishmael in Jesus' name?”

Genocidal warfare – a systematic campaign to eradicate all Arabs – is a severe form of mercy, Cass assures his readers, admonishing them to “take the lesser pains now so our children won't have to take greater pains later.”

That's right: He wants us to annihilate the “seed of Ishmael” (which, by his definition, would include Arab Christians, as well as non-Arab Muslims) for the children.

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William Tell
10-12-2014, 08:21 PM
So many foolish and cowardly Christians, ignoring the command of Christ that we should fear God, not man.

Ender
10-12-2014, 08:57 PM
So many foolish and cowardly Christians, ignoring the command of Christ that we should fear God, not man.

Or love our brothers as ourself-

Can't have that. :rolleyes:

William Tell
10-12-2014, 10:04 PM
Or love our brothers as ourself-

Can't have that. :rolleyes:

Right, but even if there were millions of foaming Arabs plotting to kill us, we are not supposed to fear them. Look at all these Neocons wetting their beds in fear of poorly armed foreigners, and insisting on throwing trillions of $ towards keeping them at bay. Switzerland has a far better, and cheaper way of doing it.

Christian Liberty
10-12-2014, 10:17 PM
I'm glad I checked because at first I thought Robertson was actually advocating killing all Muslims. I was about to feel REALLY guilty for liking Duck Dynasty:p Yes, what he said was still awful and he should repent of it, but at least in this case it is understandable.

Ender
10-14-2014, 11:29 AM
Right, but even if there were millions of foaming Arabs plotting to kill us, we are not supposed to fear them. Look at all these Neocons wetting their beds in fear of poorly armed foreigners, and insisting on throwing trillions of $ towards keeping them at bay. Switzerland has a far better, and cheaper way of doing it.

The interpretation of the word "fear" is incorrect in the standard Bibles. The original word meant "revere or awe" when pertaining to God.

Ender
10-14-2014, 11:30 AM
I'm glad I checked because at first I thought Robertson was actually advocating killing all Muslims. I was about to feel REALLY guilty for liking Duck Dynasty:p Yes, what he said was still awful and he should repent of it, but at least in this case it is understandable.

How so?

donnay
10-14-2014, 11:35 AM
The interpretation of the word "fear" is incorrect in the standard Bibles. The original word meant "revere or awe" when pertaining to God.

That is correct.

William Tell
10-14-2014, 11:38 AM
Yeah, but I think my point was correct either way you look at it.
Luke 12:
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

pessimist
10-14-2014, 11:42 AM
Civilizations colliding. It was going to happen eventually. The next 50 years should be interesting.

pessimist
10-14-2014, 11:48 AM
Will Muslim countries eventually come into this century?

Will some European states become Islamic ones?

Stay tuned!

Christian Liberty
10-14-2014, 12:54 PM
How so?

He wants to kill people who he thinks want to kill him, not all Muslims period. I guess its the fine line between really bad and even worse.

acptulsa
10-14-2014, 01:09 PM
Civilizations colliding. It was going to happen eventually.

Is there any root cause why other than the fact that a bunch of Muslims are directly above a bunch of oil?

There were Crusades a thousand years ago and there are Crusades now. Then artifacts were carted out wholesale--many of them gold--by Christians. Today tankers dock at Texas City daily. What has religion really got to do with it?

bunklocoempire
10-14-2014, 01:23 PM
Cass makes similar use of Exodus 1:8-10, which describes how Pharaoh, alarmed over Hebrew fecundity, employed quasi-genocidal means to reduce their numbers for the purpose of strategic pre-emption.

After all, men claiming to be or acting as gods would know. I'm sure the God of perfect Love approves. :rolleyes: /s


“every mosque in America is conspiring to kill you and yours,” Cass maintains, “we must be prepared for the increase of terror at home and abroad.... Muslims cannot live in a society based on Christian ideals of equality and liberty. They will always seek to harm us. Now the only question is how many more dead bodies have to pile up at home and abroad before we crush the vicious seed of Ishmael in Jesus' name?”
When you behave a certain way it's okay, when others behave that same way it is not okay. Got it.:rolleyes::mad:
This guy wouldn't know Christian ideals of equality and liberty if it bit him in the ass.

Fear and pride, fear and pride.:(:mad:

pessimist
10-14-2014, 03:11 PM
Is there any root cause why other than the fact that a bunch of Muslims are directly above a bunch of oil?

There were Crusades a thousand years ago and there are Crusades now. Then artifacts were carted out wholesale--many of them gold--by Christians. Today tankers dock at Texas City daily. What has religion really got to do with it?

There is a real ideological battle going on. It's more of the modern world vs Islamic CULTURE. Many on BOTH sides do not think they can co-exist. The rest of us are caught in the middle.

As the world becomes "smaller" via globalization, this clash was inevitable imo.

I am just a spectator.

acptulsa
10-14-2014, 03:21 PM
There is a real ideological battle going on. It's more of the modern world vs Islamic CULTURE. Many on BOTH sides do not think they can co-exist. The rest of us are caught in the middle.

As the world becomes "smaller" via globalization, this clash was inevitable imo.

I am just a spectator.

There is a turf war over resources going on, and the powers that are waging it are desperately trying to make an ideological battle of it. They are demonizing people on both sides and inventing radicals on both sides for the other people to hate and fear.

Without weaponry supplied by the U.S. government IS would never have been other than a paper tiger, without the U.S. government looking the other way al Qaeda would never have been other than a paper tiger, and no one knows for a fact that Khorasan has yet progressed past the origami stage.

There's not a thimbleful of ideology in the whole mess, and hasn't been for e last fifty years or so.

Can people really be gullible enough to think that because they hear this crap from someone who kissed the Wailing Wall there's some real ideology behind any of it? Because a bigger logical fail I cannot imagine for the life of me.