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skfornh
10-09-2014, 08:31 PM
http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k468/shemkelloggfornh/Screenshot2014-10-09at101830PM_zpsbc1990d4.png
source: https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/new-hampshire/

Here are my responses to the NRA candidate questionnaire: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455698-My-responses-to-NRA-PVF-Candidate-Questionnaire

skfornh
10-09-2014, 09:53 PM
oops I forgot the source: https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/new-hampshire/

TheTexan
10-09-2014, 09:55 PM
Not an A? Tsk.. tsk.. tsk..

green73
10-09-2014, 10:00 PM
wtf?

Christian Liberty
10-09-2014, 10:00 PM
I'm guessing it was because he allowed for private property owners to not allow guns on their property, and because he didn't know about that one NRA program (even without knowing what it is, I wouldn't be endorsing an alternative program in a government school either.) I wouldn't worry about it.

skfornh
10-09-2014, 10:03 PM
Yes, I suspect I didn't get an A from them because they didn't like my response to Question No. 18 on their candidate survey

My responses are here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455698-My-responses-to-NRA-PVF-Candidate-Questionnaire

That and maybe the fact that I'm not a member?

TheTexan
10-09-2014, 10:13 PM
Or maybe it was your lack of enthusiasm for Eddie Eagle.

TheTexan
10-09-2014, 10:15 PM
http://paladin.busman.com/safety/eddie-eagle/images/eddie-eagle-stopsign.jpg

heavenlyboy34
10-09-2014, 11:05 PM
How does the GOA rate ya, Shem?

skfornh
10-09-2014, 11:14 PM
That's a good question. I returned their candidate survey (and I'm a lifer) but haven't heard anything back. Same with NAGR.

Responses to both of those surveys in this subforum.

jmdrake
10-10-2014, 04:04 AM
That's a good question. I returned their candidate survey (and I'm a lifer) but haven't heard anything back. Same with NAGR.

Responses to both of those surveys in this subforum.

And that's why the NRA is better known even though GOA is a better organization IMO. The NRA, love em or hate em, does make sure their voice is heard.

GunnyFreedom
10-10-2014, 05:37 AM
That's pretty typical for someone with no voting record. Even if you rock the survey if they don't have a voting record to verify your stances you get downgraded. I think I had a B+ when I ran in 2010 and then an A+ when I ran in 2012 once I had a record.

Suzu
10-10-2014, 05:46 AM
Yes, I suspect I didn't get an A from them because they didn't like my response to Question No. 18 on their candidate survey

My responses are here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?455698-My-responses-to-NRA-PVF-Candidate-Questionnaire

Employee vehicles are their private property, even when parked in someone else's lot.

fisharmor
10-10-2014, 07:17 AM
Ok, so knowing what you know about civil asset forfeiture and the abuses thereof, how can you support sales of confiscated firearms for the express purpose of lining the pockets of the department?

William Tell
10-10-2014, 07:48 AM
I can't stand the NRA.

Tywysog Cymru
10-10-2014, 08:10 AM
I can't stand the NRA.

Why?

Keith and stuff
10-10-2014, 09:06 AM
The NRA shared your website under your endorsement. That something the NRA didn't do for most of the candidates it endorsed. Though, maybe most of them don't have websites?

https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/new-hampshire/


Shem Kellogg
Candidate (R)
http://www.shemkellogg.com/

William Tell
10-10-2014, 10:20 AM
Why?
For more reasons than I can name.

Because they were founded by a Yankee General, because Yankees were not good enough at shooting Southern Patriots in the War of Northern Aggression.


The National Rifle Association was first chartered in the state of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York) on November 17, 1871[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#cite_note-NRABriefHist-4) by Army and Navy Journal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_and_Navy_Journal) editor William Conant Church (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Conant_Church) and General George Wood Wingate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wood_Wingate). Its first president was Union Army Civil War General Ambrose Burnside (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Burnside), who had worked as a Rhode Island (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhode_Island) gunsmith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmith), and Wingate was the original secretary of the organization. Church succeeded Burnside as president in the following year.
Union Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Army) records for the Civil War indicate that its troops fired about 1,000 rifle shots for each Confederate soldier hit, causing General Burnside to lament his recruits: "Out of ten soldiers who are perfect in drill and the manual of arms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manual_of_arms), only one knows the purpose of the sights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_sight) on his gun or can hit the broad side of a barn."[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#cite_note-craige-9) The generals attributed this to the use of volley tactics, devised for earlier, less accurate smoothbore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothbore) muskets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association Because they are not consistently Pro Second Amendment. Because they refuse to endorse the most Pro Second Amendment candidate in a race, they will endorse lukewarm guys who have previously held office, over fire breathing Constitutionalists who have never held office.

Because they supported, and are supporting Anti Gun bills, the '68 Gun Control act, along with Anti Gun measures in Delaware, and other Anti Gun bills:
http://www.dailypaul.com/285165/nra-working-to-expand-gun-control
http://www.dailypaul.com/144200/nra-supports-batf-firearms-modernization-act

Because they constantly sabotage pro gun bills across the country, especially Constitutional Carry bills. Because they will fight against real Pro Gun groups, and then turn around and claim credit for their successes. Because the NRA, and their State Affiliates like the Texas State Rifle Association bash Open Carry and those who support it.

NRA To Open Carry Texas: Public Demonstrations ‘Downright Weird, Downright Scary’

http://www.dailypaul.com/320070/nra-to-open-carry-texas-public-demonstrations-downright-weird-downright-scary/




They are Anti Gun money grubbing backstabbing scumbags. http://www.nrawol.net/faq/

GOA, and NAGR are real pro gun groups.

Suzu
10-10-2014, 11:12 AM
GOA, and NAGR are real pro gun groups.
Don't forget http://jpfo.org/

fisharmor
10-10-2014, 11:16 AM
NRA does a lot of good when it comes to training.

If they never stepped outside of that, I'd be a fan.

But they don't, and they therefore invite us to evaluate the NRA on how it protects 2nd Amendment rights.
Considering that every piece of gun control legislation we suffer under got passed under their watchful eye, I give them an F--.

William Tell
10-10-2014, 11:54 AM
Don't forget http://jpfo.org/

Not for much longer, if they are going to be taken over by the sellout 'Second Amendment Foundation' as sounds likely:mad:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-jpfo-from-being-absorbed-into-saf


Sellout: JPFO to be handed off to SAF — unless we stop it (http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2014/08/22/sellout-jpfo-to-be-handed-off-to-saf/) Friday, August 22nd, 2014 I was hoping I wouldn’t have to post this, but now that we’re out of alternatives I’ll be as succinct as I can and attempt (no doubt unsuccessfully) to keep my most heated personal judgments to a minimum.
—–
“A housewife and a cat will both chase mice out of the kitchen. But the cat wants more mice to come back.”
— Aaron Zelman
Somebody reminded me this week of that statement from Aaron, the late, great founder of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. That was how Aaron contrasted himself and JPFO with Alan Gottlieb and Gottlieb’s SAF/CCRKBA.
Aaron wanted to educate people so that victim disarmament would go away. He would have been thrilled to be able to close JPFO’s doors and say, “We’ve done it.”
On the other hand, he despised Alan Gottlieb and saw him as an opportunist who used scary mailings to turn SAF/CCRKBA into a fundraising factory. He saw Gottlieb as a person who needed and wanted “gun control” because that’s what kept the money and the publicity flowing.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2014/08/22/sellout-jpfo-to-be-handed-off-to-saf/

Todd
10-10-2014, 12:17 PM
NRA does a lot of good when it comes to training.

If they never stepped outside of that, I'd be a fan.

But they don't, and they therefore invite us to evaluate the NRA on how it protects 2nd Amendment rights.
Considering that every piece of gun control legislation we suffer under got passed under their watchful eye, I give them an F--.



Cannot rep this enough.

GunnyFreedom
10-10-2014, 01:25 PM
Why?

as an example, they endorsed antigun Thom Tillis against progun Greg Brannon simply because they thought Tillis more likely to win.

That's pretty typical of how the NRA does.

Christian Liberty
10-10-2014, 01:30 PM
as an example, they endorsed antigun Thom Tillis against progun Greg Brannon simply because they thought Tillis more likely to win.

That's pretty typical of how the NRA does.

Greg Brannon was literally amazing. I so badly wish he had won. He sounded Ron Paul caliber when I listened to him. Any organization that would have endorsed an establishment candidate over him isn't worth anything.

William Tell
10-10-2014, 02:17 PM
as an example, they endorsed antigun Thom Tillis against progun Greg Brannon simply because they thought Tillis more likely to win.

That's pretty typical of how the NRA does.

It's worse than that, though. Their policy rules out people who have never held office from receiving their endorsement. In the race for Alabama District 1, they endorsed RINO former Democrat Bradley Byrne, while giving Constitutional Conservative Dean Young ' The Highest Rating for Non - Politician' as Dean put it. Dean posted this on facebook:

The NRA has a policy that they will always endorse the politician over a new comer. In the letter they sent they said that they were giving us the highest score they could give to someone who has not been an elected official.October 19, 2013 at 3:54am 7 (https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes?id=10151964871454380)


So they might endorse you, Gunny, as you have held office. But if I was to run against John Cornyn for example, they would NEVER endorse me.

Feeding the Abscess
10-10-2014, 05:53 PM
Employee vehicles are their private property, even when parked in someone else's lot.

Your body is your private property, even when on someone else's land. In fact, your body is more intimately yours than your vehicle, and I don't think you'd disagree that I have the right to not allow you to carry weapons on my property.

GunnyFreedom
10-10-2014, 06:09 PM
Greg Brannon was literally amazing. I so badly wish he had won. He sounded Ron Paul caliber when I listened to him. Any organization that would have endorsed an establishment candidate over him isn't worth anything.

Better than Ron Paul, frankly. Ron's strict adherence to Constitutionalism, with Rand's rhetoric and charm.

Suzu
10-10-2014, 08:51 PM
Your body is your private property, even when on someone else's land. In fact, your body is more intimately yours than your vehicle, and I don't think you'd disagree that I have the right to not allow you to carry weapons on my property.Are you saying I can't carry my weapons on your body?

William Tell
10-10-2014, 08:58 PM
Are you saying I can't carry my weapons on your body?

I don't think that's the issue. If one believes in absolute property rights, then you have no 'right' to come on any given piece of property. If someone invites you on his land, then he can give conditions, and you may accept them. Or go away.

Suzu
10-10-2014, 09:13 PM
You missed my subtle joke, William Tell!

Christian Liberty
10-10-2014, 09:15 PM
Better than Ron Paul, frankly. Ron's strict adherence to Constitutionalism, with Rand's rhetoric and charm.

That's fair. I don't know Greg as well as you do. I've heard a few things from people here, and I listened to one of his speeches, but I definitely don't know him as well as I know Ron.

William Tell
10-30-2014, 05:57 PM
You missed my subtle joke, William Tell!

Lol! Awesome, shame on me for missing that! :o