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green73
10-09-2014, 09:46 AM
Last week the US government prohibited poet and journalist Amjad Nasser from speaking at an event to inaugurate the Gallatin Global Writers series at New York University. How did the government do this? By having a policeman at the event inform Nasser that he would be arrested if he took his turn to speak at the event? No, that would be a clear prior restraint on speech in violation of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution — a government action courts routinely rule is prohibited. Instead, the US government simply banned Nasser from flying to the conference.

Nasser recounts (http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/19429/when-your-name-is-on-the-blacklist) the process by which his participation in the event was blocked by a faceless Department of Homeland Security agent on the other end of a phone line at London Heathrow Airport. At the airport terminal, Nasser was handed a phone whereupon the US bureaucrat on the call peppered him with personal questions about Nasser and the event at which Nasser was planning to speak. Nasser relates that, after two hours on the phone, the questioner informed Nasser that Nasser was banned from taking the already booked, and by then already departed, US-bound flight.

While Nasser, a British and Jordanian citizen, had to answer a series of questions regarding his private affairs in hopes that he would just be allowed to board the plane and fulfill his speaking commitment, the US bureaucrat on the other end of the line was not obliged to even provide an explanation for why Nasser was prevented from boarding the plane. Nasser relates how the phone interrogation wound down upon the inquisitor’s announcement of Nasser’s travel prohibition:


… he said: I am sorry. You cannot board this departing plane (It had already taken off) to New York.

- What is the reason?

- I cannot disclose that.

- Do I not have a right to know the reason?

- No.

- Just like that?

- Just like that.

The direct result of Nasser’s ban from the flight is that he was prevented from speaking in person at the event in New York City. A second very important result is that anyone who hears the story of Nasser’s travel restriction learns the lesson that if you want to travel freely it is best to not speak out about anything that could risk provoking the ire of the US government — or even of any random, faceless US bureaucrat who may hold veto power over your travel plans. This threat hanging over travelers certainly, in the language of US courts, “chills” speech. But, being removed a step from outright speech restrictions, courts would be less likely to find the travel prohibition violates of the First Amendment — especially so long as the government can get away with providing absolutely no reason for imposed travel prohibitions.

While Nasser’s ordeal alone is disturbing, what is even more disturbing is that such banning of airplane travel is routinely meted out by US bureaucrats upon travelers both foreign and American. And, as in the case of Nasser, these other blacklisted travelers are regularly provided absolutely no reason for the deprivation of their ability to exercise their right to travel.

cont.
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/october/09/the-abominable-no-fly-list.aspx

Noob
10-09-2014, 09:54 AM
Federal judge declares government no-fly list rules unconstitutional

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-no-fly-list-violates-rights-federal-ruling-20140624-story.html

CaptUSA
10-09-2014, 10:12 AM
Back so soon?

On topic, it occurs to me that restricting someone's travel is a clear violation of one's civil right to move freely. You could even call it an unlawful detainment since they are preventing the person from freely leaving a location.

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 11:47 AM
But blocking departures from West African countries with Ebola outbreaks?...oh no, can't do that.

Fucking useless government.

Philhelm
10-09-2014, 11:52 AM
Jennifer Lawrence is supposed to release a statement about this grievous violation of liberty today at 4:00 p.m. CT.

Suzanimal
10-09-2014, 01:52 PM
I feel safer.:rolleyes:


The Obama administration has quietly approved a substantial expansion of the terrorist watchlist system, authorizing a secret process that requires neither “concrete facts” nor “irrefutable evidence” to designate an American or foreigner as a terrorist, according to a key government document obtained by The Intercept.

The “March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance,” a 166-page document issued last year by the National Counterterrorism Center, spells out the government’s secret rules for putting individuals on its main terrorist database, as well as the no fly list and the selectee list, which triggers enhanced screening at airports and border crossings. The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place entire “categories” of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists. It broadens the authority of government officials to “nominate” people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as “fragmentary information.” It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 03:50 PM
http://cryptome.org/2014/07/nctc-watchlist-intercept-14-0723.pdf

The "guidelines".

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 04:07 PM
http://cryptome.org/2014/07/nctc-watchlist-intercept-14-0723.pdf

The "guidelines".

Defines terrorism as "any act designed to intimidate or coerce a civilian population".

That every SWAT raid happening hundreds of times every day in the land of the free.

LibForestPaul
10-09-2014, 06:17 PM
But blocking departures from West African countries with Ebola outbreaks?...oh no, can't do that.

Fucking useless government.

Remember, you asked for it:

Travelers arriving from Ebola-stricken countries in West Africa will start to have their temperatures taken upon arrival at five U.S. airports as part of extra screening measures being implemented in the coming days, officials said Wednesday.

YOU know where this is headed.

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 06:29 PM
YOU know where this is headed.

Yeah, I know...

Taking temperatures is pointless, you can be infected and not show symptoms for up to three weeks.

If your journey included West Africa, you cannot enter the country.

Simple.

But I know where it will all go...what fucking mess.

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 09:13 PM
Taking temperatures is pointless, you can be infected and not show symptoms for up to three weeks.

...


The delayed onset of symptoms will also hinder detection efforts, Khan said. It can take up to 21 days for a person to know that they have contracted the virus.

http://dailydigestnews.com/2014/10/airport-screenings-for-ebola-are-more-for-calming-the-public-than-containing-virus-experts-say/

TheTexan
10-09-2014, 09:41 PM
Don't want to land on a terrorist no-fly list? Don't be a terrorist. Very simple.

Now, maybe some people with terrorist-like-tendencies (*cough* some people here *cough) should be worried, but as long as you truly love your country and everything it stands for--- you should be fine.

Anti Federalist
10-09-2014, 10:15 PM
Don't want to land on a terrorist no-fly list? Don't be a terrorist. Very simple.

Now, maybe some people with terrorist-like-tendencies (*cough* some people here *cough) should be worried, but as long as you truly love your country and everything it stands for--- you should be fine.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, amirite?