Stop Being Rude

[0zzy]

It was Rudy Giuliani campaigning for president on the Marietta Square on Sunday afternoon, but anyone listening might well have thought the candidate's name was Ron Paul.

"RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!" — a crowd chanted from Glover Park, effectively drowning out comments from the former New York mayor.

The Paul supporters tailed the GOP front-runner on his walking photo op in downtown Marietta, hollering as they handed out their own candidate's literature.

"You're being very inconsiderate," an elderly woman, aghast at the lack of Southern manners, told three young female Paul acolytes.

"You're not helping your candidate with this," a middle-aged man told a 20-something man toting a blue and white Paul campaign sign.
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/cobb/stories/2007/12/02/giuliani_1203.html

This is not how to win over supporters. You may say, "Well who cares! Haha! so cool!" It's not cool! People don't like this crap, and this doesn't help our candidate. I've seen this too many times. We need to stop it.

[winston_blade]

Yeah, this has always been dumb and will always be dumb. Sometimes I wonder if people with the maturity levels this low will even bother to register to vote.

[Flash]

Giulliani knew what he was asking for when he tried to call Ron Paul out and attack him in that republican debate a few months ago. Now he has RP supporters challenging him and ofcourse Giuliliani fans are whining about it.

Anyways, we can't control anyone. If we could then we wouldn't have any 9/11 conspiracy theorisists on here.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Agreed. Stop crashing other candidates' rallies. Folks who do that have no idea how much they're turning off the people we need to win.

[Adamsa]

It's true, standing on a street corner shouting at other candidate meetings doesn't really help.

[0zzy]

Giulliani knew what he was asking for when he tried to call Ron Paul out and attack him in that republican debate a few months aago. Now he has RP supporters challenging him and ofcourse Giuliliani fans whine "this isn't helping your candidate".

Its not like we can control people and tell them not to do this.

They are American voters, they get turned off when they hear Paul supporters do this, just like in Iowa. Middle age to Older voters tend to be turned off.

[Melissa]

No what we found to be best is go to there rallys with no visiable support for any one on you clothes or in your hands then ask them tough questions about money or foreign policy and then let the undecideds around you listen to the answer.

[derdy]

That seems to be a self-defeating tactic. Silently following would have a better impact.

[Adamsa]

They are American voters, they get turned off when they hear Paul supporters do this, just like in Iowa. Middle age to Older voters tend to be turned off.

This happened with Howard Dean, older voters were alienated, and Kerry won from a lot of their vote.

[Flash]

They are American voters, they get turned off when they hear Paul supporters do this, just like in Iowa. Middle age to Older voters tend to be turned off.

Yeah but if we can't even get 9/11 truthers to stop then I don't know how this'll happen. Thats what I meant.

[Alan84]

Agreed, and rudeness is always boring. *Yawn*

[Geronimo]

A local paper (here in NH) has had two letters to the editor in the past few weeks regarding the conduct of Ron Paul supporters at different public events. I mailed the article to my local meetup members (who were at these events) but none of them cared enough to submit a letter to the editor that might clear up any misconceptions. Since I wasn't at either event I can't defend what they were doing. It's rather frustrating.

[Fyretrohl]

As one of those more 'main stream' Americans that the Grassroots and Campaign need to reach out to, I can tell you this...I agreed with Ozzy's assessment. To me, a more powerful, yet still classy message and image, would have been the large group quietly shadowing them. Showing that, even at the other campaigns events, we outnumber their own supporters. Yet, we are peaceful and polite enough to let them share their message. Then, you might get some of 'those' supporters to come talk later, not about you being rude, but, about why you are out there and what you are standing for.

[Revolution9]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/cobb/stories/2007/12/02/giuliani_1203.html

This is not how to win over supporters. You may say, "Well who cares! Haha! so cool!" It's not cool! People don't like this crap, and this doesn't help our candidate. I've seen this too many times. We need to stop it.

Hi Ozzy. These are the people I wave signs with every week. They are an enthusiastic and respectful lot. Do not believe this crap from what we call The Urinal Constipation. WE pwn Atlanta.

HTH
Randy

[Revolution9]

As one of those more 'main stream' Americans that the Grassroots and Campaign need to reach out to, I can tell you this...I agreed with Ozzy's assessment. To me, a more powerful, yet still classy message and image, would have been the large group quietly shadowing them. Showing that, even at the other campaigns events, we outnumber their own supporters. Yet, we are peaceful and polite enough to let them share their message. Then, you might get some of 'those' supporters to come talk later, not about you being rude, but, about why you are out there and what you are standing for.

Leave my meetup people out of your bizarre fantasies brought about by MSM BS.

Thanks
Randy

[fortilite]

How about politely passing out fliers at the events? Speak to the Rudy supporters 1 on 1 instead of yelling at the group.

Speaking of which, I'm thinking about going to my first Young Republican meeting. Think that would be a good idea? What would be the best method of converting them with out seeming like a pushy outsider?

[Revolution9]

Agreed. Stop crashing other candidates' rallies. Folks who do that have no idea how much they're turning off the people we need to win.

These are my people here. They did what they were supposed and did it well. What the fuck have you done this weekend? We slammed giuliani. We gave out over 1000+ packs of literature at Freedom Park on saturday. We had a booth at a gunshow for two days. we had teams going door to door in five northside townships. Piss off.. back off and stop badmouthing my people. I will kick all your vrtual asses. YOU are doing the MSM's dirty work for them.. Feel good to rant about your fellow supporters getting out there and getting it done while you whine on this board.???

Randy

[Mark Rushmore]

The title of this thread has become rather ironic.

[benhaskins]

giuliani's crowds are pathetic. 25 people is embarassing for a supposed front runner.

[StephenTC]

Guys.... How is this rude? We get to do whatever we want. It's a free country, and the Atlanta group was voicing it's opinion. I'm from Atlanta but I unfortunately didn't go. I wish I did.

How exactly are we doing something bad? You say that we'd turn them off from voting for Ron Paul, but they are ALREADY going out of their way to see Rudy. That sounds like they had their mind made up. Also, one of the guys in the Rudy crowd didn't know that Ron Paul was a Republican. The Ron Paul crowd proudly corrected him. Some of the crowd members who may not have known about RP might have spent 5 minutes looking him up.

Also, that doesn't sound rude when I read it. The quotes I read that said it was rude was from Rudy fans. I don't care if they think it's rude or not. The media in that full article for RP wasn't that bad, they had a lot of small RP factoids.

Can't handle the fire get out of the kitchen.

[Ron Paul Fan]

No army can stop an idea whose time has come. There's a revolution going on and I'm just happy to be a part of it! We need more of this kind of thing to get the word out and expose these scumbags and chickenhawks like Rudy! There's nothing wrong with being a little enthusiastic about politics and FREEDOM!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!

[Mark Rushmore]

Guys.... How is this rude? We get to do whatever we want. It's a free country, and the Atlanta group was voicing it's opinion. I'm from Atlanta but I unfortunately didn't go. I wish I did.

How exactly are we doing something bad? You say that we'd turn them off from voting for Ron Paul, but they are ALREADY going out of their way to see Rudy. That sounds like they had their mind made up. Also, one of the guys in the Rudy crowd didn't know that Ron Paul was a Republican. The Ron Paul crowd proudly corrected him. Some of the crowd members who may not have known about RP might have spent 5 minutes looking him up.

Also, that doesn't sound rude when I read it. The quotes I read that said it was rude was from Rudy fans. I don't care if they think it's rude or not. The media in that full article for RP wasn't that bad, they had a lot of small RP factoids.

Can't handle the fire get out of the kitchen.

It's not only that, it's when these people go home bitching and moaning "wah wah wah Ron Paul people" to their friends and family - and then the people they are complaining to say "Who is Ron Paul?" - at that point the good efforts of these fine Atlanta folk really come to fruition.

[coffeewithchess]

Guys.... How is this rude? We get to do whatever we want. It's a free country, and the Atlanta group was voicing it's opinion. I'm from Atlanta but I unfortunately didn't go. I wish I did.

How exactly are we doing something bad? You say that we'd turn them off from voting for Ron Paul, but they are ALREADY going out of their way to see Rudy. That sounds like they had their mind made up. Also, one of the guys in the Rudy crowd didn't know that Ron Paul was a Republican. The Ron Paul crowd proudly corrected him. Some of the crowd members who may not have known about RP might have spent 5 minutes looking him up.

Also, that doesn't sound rude when I read it. The quotes I read that said it was rude was from Rudy fans. I don't care if they think it's rude or not. The media in that full article for RP wasn't that bad, they had a lot of small RP factoids.

Can't handle the fire get out of the kitchen.

Yea, but this is not the way to win people over. I think the best way is to attend these events, with FLYERS aimed at the other candidates, but attend the event without mentioning your support of any candidate...if people know you are supporting a candidate, they know you are already biased against their candidate, and less likely to listen to you.

[goRPaul]

The key term is "positive attitude." This campaign doesn't need any negativity. A positive attitude at all times is essential for our campaign to win.

If we have been or are being rude, we should apologize, and try to have a more positive attitude the next time.

[Revolution9]

Guys.... How is this rude? We get to do whatever we want. It's a free country, and the Atlanta group was voicing it's opinion. I'm from Atlanta but I unfortunately didn't go. I wish I did.

How exactly are we doing something bad? You say that we'd turn them off from voting for Ron Paul, but they are ALREADY going out of their way to see Rudy. That sounds like they had their mind made up. Also, one of the guys in the Rudy crowd didn't know that Ron Paul was a Republican. The Ron Paul crowd proudly corrected him. Some of the crowd members who may not have known about RP might have spent 5 minutes looking him up.

Also, that doesn't sound rude when I read it. The quotes I read that said it was rude was from Rudy fans. I don't care if they think it's rude or not. The media in that full article for RP wasn't that bad, they had a lot of small RP factoids.

Can't handle the fire get out of the kitchen.

Hi Stephen. Thanks for chiming in. I am getting sick and effing fed up of the so called RP grassroots supporters badmouthing their fellow RP supporters based on crap some idiot from amother campaign camp said. They are insulting to us who have put RP on the map bigtime in Central Atlanta and working the perimeters, and their intelligence or loyalties in levying this BS at us is leaving alot to be desired.

best
Randy

[Revolution9]

The key term is "positive attitude." This campaign doesn't need any negativity. A positive attitude at all times is essential for our campaign to win.

If we have been or are being rude, we should apologize, and try to have a more positive attitude the next time.

Hi and fuck off for making assumptions,. This is rude. They were not.

HTH
Randy

[jake]

drowning out Guliani is a childish move, hold the Ron Paul signs, hand out slimjims to the people, but the obnoxious chanting while he tries to speak is not very good at all. It offers no benefit. None.

[fortilite]

I would just recommend talking to people instead of shouting at them. It seems a lot more effective. No one gets shouted at and says "Gee, I'm gonna join the side of the people yelling at my candidate." If you are shouting at them just to be petty and to make the opponents core feel bad, fine. But don't delude yourself into thinking that's gonna win anyone over or make us look good.

And before you accuse me of not doing anything, I was sign waving most of today and mailing bumper stickers to our friends in Nevada (we are gonna kick ass there, btw).

[Revolution9]

Yea, but this is not the way to win people over. I think the best way is to attend these events, with FLYERS aimed at the other candidates, but attend the event without mentioning your support of any candidate...if people know you are supporting a candidate, they know you are already biased against their candidate, and less likely to listen to you.

We own Atlanta. Do not tell us how to do our thing till you get 80%+ name recognition and a thousand honks in a 2.5 hour period. You don't know shit from shinola.


Randy

[StephenTC]

Well it might sound like a good idea to be soft and kind to people but that doesn't get anyone anywhere in politics. We support Ron Paul. We support him vocally. We support him LOUD.

This may not have won over any of those Rudy fans, BUT IT WILL put faith in Ron Paul's chances with other people. When other people who aren't so sure he has a chance, hears that wherever any candidate goes, there are equal or more RP supporters, then they will be more likely to support RP. This is about letting everyone know WE ARE SERIOUS and we are the front runner!

If we can convince the American people that RP is a leader capable of empowering and strengthening the American people, then that's a good start.

[Revolution9]

drowning out Guliani is a childish move, hold the Ron Paul signs, hand out slimjims to the people, but the obnoxious chanting while he tries to speak is not very good at all. It offers no benefit. None.

You too can fuck off. We own Atlanta precisely because we work the venues..every last one of them.

Randy

[Revolution9]

No army can stop an idea whose time has come. There's a revolution going on and I'm just happy to be a part of it! We need more of this kind of thing to get the word out and expose these scumbags and chickenhawks like Rudy! There's nothing wrong with being a little enthusiastic about politics and FREEDOM!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! RON PAUL! RON PAUL! RON PAUL!

Thank you.

best
Randy

[Mr. White]

LOL. Rev's back and he's pissed. Get 'em.

[Revolution9]

The key term is "positive attitude." This campaign doesn't need any negativity. A positive attitude at all times is essential for our campaign to win.

If we have been or are being rude, we should apologize, and try to have a more positive attitude the next time.

Then fuck off with your negative bullshit.

BTW.. We own Atlanta.. Maybe some of you whiners need to copy our efforts instead of hiding behind your fake good manners. because you can sure whip out a shitstorm of rudeness and false accusation on your fellow RP grassroots members. Then again maybe you don't want RP to win and I find your coddling of other candidates highly suspicious. WTF are you all here for??

Thanks
Randy

[V-rod]

Don't anger the conspiracy theorists. We are pretty much at their mercy now. Since they can't hold up their 9/11 was an inside job signs, harassing opponents at their rallies is the only thing that will get their rocks off.


P.S. Ron Paul wouldn't approve.

[JacobLyles]

How about politely passing out fliers at the events? Speak to the Rudy supporters 1 on 1 instead of yelling at the group.

Speaking of which, I'm thinking about going to my first Young Republican meeting. Think that would be a good idea? What would be the best method of converting them with out seeming like a pushy outsider?

Show up. Volunteer to do grunt work. Let them know that you're excited about Ron Paul and that you're willing to help out. Sign ballot access petitions for other candidates and be polite.

[me3]

You too can fuck off. We own Atlanta precisely because we work the venues..every last one of them.

Randy
I assume you are planning a Georgia primary victory?

[Mark Rushmore]

P.S. Ron Paul wouldn't approve.

The man who just yesterday said that HE has joined OUR revolution? What is it, do you think, that has "cured him of his skepticism?" A bunch of people sitting around on an internet forum trying to earn holier-than-thou "I'm the voice of reason!" points?

[Edward]

That seems to be a self-defeating tactic. Silently following would have a better impact.Great advice.

[Revolution9]

Don't anger the conspiracy theorists. We are pretty much at their mercy now. Since they can't hold up their 9/11 was an inside job signs, harassing opponents at their rallies is the only thing that will get their rocks off.


P.S. Ron Paul wouldn't approve.

Hey V-Dick. Just what are you trying to imply here and what is with the scuttlebutt sideswiping anal retentive passive aggressive backhanded insult crap. Like you have a brain capable of dealing with more than single vector of information input at a time..heh.

Ya want to toss insults..lets go.. I take out clowns like you easily and with one hand tied behind my intellectual back. You have already told your tale of the four walls,l ceiling and floor that is your mind.

Randy

[V-rod]

The man who just yesterday said that HE has joined OUR revolution?

A revolution against the status quo, big government, and socialism. Until I see Paul act differently, I'll continue to think of him as a man of morals and principles.

[Thomas_Paine]

No what we found to be best is go to there rallys with no visiable support for any one on you clothes or in your hands then ask them tough questions about money or foreign policy and then let the undecideds around you listen to the answer.

Excellent strategy

[Revolutn]

Kinda torn on this one myself.

I LOVE the moxy of RP Supporters going out and 'confronting' the other candidates showing how weak their support is and how viral ours is.

By the same token we should all understand a thing or two about Blowback (cough)

In this case since there were hardly any Julie-Annie supporters actually there, I don' think the negative impact is too great - but then again it's the media's reporting on it that will create the negative opinion of his supporters that is the real threat to achieving mainstream penetration.

All in all I'm not gonna sit and wring my hands over it, I think we've been scoring major points recently and the 16th is going to be huge.

What should be taken away from this is what Dr. Paul said... "Something really big is happening out there, and I'm just glad to be a part of it."

Unfortunately however the undecideds or Rudy supporters who encountered the treatment or even read of it, will not be swayed by the tactic.

So in summary while it makes us FEEL damn wonderful to hear of something like this from a "yeah we're takin it to him" perspective - the overall result is probably less than desirable.

Rev

[Mark Rushmore]

A revolution against the status quo, big government, and socialism. Until I see Paul act differently, I'll continue to think of him as a man of morals and principles.

Yeah, youth getting enthused about politics and going out in their streets to follow that old American tradition of making their voices heard - that's what I call immoral and unprincipled.

[V-rod]

Hey V-Dick. Just what are you trying to imply here and what is with the scuttlebutt sideswiping anal retentive passive aggressive backhanded insult crap. Like you have a brain capable of dealing with more than single vector of information input at a time..heh.

Ya want to toss insults..lets go.. I take out clowns like you easily and with one hand tied behind my intellectual back. You have already told your tale of the four walls,l ceiling and floor that is your mind.

Randy


I can't win against someone who uses the Illuminati and 9/11 false flags as examples.

[paulitics]

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/cobb/stories/2007/12/02/giuliani_1203.html

This is not how to win over supporters. You may say, "Well who cares! Haha! so cool!" It's not cool! People don't like this crap, and this doesn't help our candidate. I've seen this too many times. We need to stop it.

I agree. I have seen this same haughtyness in forums, and even on here as well. Some people on here, think the rest of the world sees things the same way...and to hell with everyone else who doesn't. Sorry, but that is a very myopic view of the world, and it isn't winning people over. There are alot of people looking for change, but don't like our tactics.

We have developed a bad reputation, and are seen by those outside this forum as overly aggresive, uncouth, radical, etc. I wouldn't care about those labels, but unfortunately to a large extent, they have become true. If anyone reasonably objects, they are trashed and called trolls, fascists, etc, even on this forum. Its getting out of hand. We can catch more flies with honey, not vinegar.

[fortilite]

Can you guys STOP arguing and join the letter writing campaign please? We each have a strong opinion on proper conduct around non RP supporters, we are not going to change each other's opinions on it.

Ron Paul brings in a wide range of folks, these types of disagreements are bound to happen. But let's focus on Iowa, SC, and NH. If we win one of those RP will no longer be considered a second tier candidate. It is vital that we win one of those. Arguing amongst our selves on the internet does nothing. I know I am a hypocrite because I get in arguments here sometimes, but please let's just cool it on this one.

http://www.rp-supporters.com/letters.html

[V-rod]

I agree. I have seen this same haughtyness in forums, and even on here as well. Some people on here, think the rest of the world sees things the same way...and to hell with everyone else who doesn't. Sorry, but that is a very myopic view of the world, and it isn't winning people over. There are alot of people looking for change, but don't like our tactics.

We have developed a bad reputation, and are seen by those outside this forum as overly aggresive, uncouth, radical, etc. I wouldn't care about those labels, but unfortunately to a large extent, they have become true. If anyone reasonably objects, they are trashed and called trolls, fascists, etc, even on this forum. Its getting out of hand. We can catch more flies with honey, not vinegar.

I agree. Some tactics being used are not even going to gain Paul supporters. Some seem to just done to feed the ego of a few. Those kinds of tactics probably cost more supporters than it would gain.

[paulitics]

Yeah but if we can't even get 9/11 truthers to stop then I don't know how this'll happen. Thats what I meant.

truthers are a small subsection of routy people. We need to stop pinning this all on them. It seems convenient, but not completely accurate.

[Revolution9]

I assume you are planning a Georgia primary victory?

Yes.. And we are having RP at The State Capitol on February 2nd just a couple of days before the state Primaries.. We are currently pushing up into the foothills. The cool thing is that when we sign wave in my neighborhood on saturdays it is a day when the country folk ride down into Little Five Points to shop and look at the local color and characters. We get alot, I mean alot of honks from people with plates up in the mountain counties where internet is sparse. The black community here seems to have taken to him as far as single black men and families. the single black women do not seem interested in the literature..the caveat being the newer the car..LOL! . We have very old people with giant grins on their faces and carloads of young fist pumpers and hollerers. We truly do own central Atlanta and are pushing out past the burbs and into the rural areas. The Atlanta meetup rocks and has the greatest people. i would defend them with my life and sacred honor. I am the Revolutionary War guy and they gave me the Flag. i am honored to guard it and wave it. I NEVER EVER thought I would be proud to do such after my vehemence at the US guvmnt over the course of my adult life. It is truly amazing what Ron paul has done. Internally and externally and eternally.

Best Regards
Randy

[Revolution9]

I agree. Some tactics being used are not even going to gain Paul supporters. Some seem to just done to feed the ego of a few. Those kinds of tactics probably cost more supporters than it would gain.

Blah blah blah blah blah.. You got something better to do with your time by any chance? Like go and getting your autoblither circuitry tuned to not be so fucking annoying.

Randy

[JacobLyles]

I assume you are planning a Georgia primary victory?

Me3,

We've seen a lot of these types today. It's depressing.

[stevedasbach]

That seems to be a self-defeating tactic. Silently following would have a better impact.

+1

[Bertrand]

Go to CR meeting if you can. I'm making inroads, blogging at the CR blog for VA and slowly but surely converting people. This is how we change the party. So much of the future party leadership comes out of these CR groups.

[V-rod]

Blah blah blah blah blah.. You got something better to do with your time by any chance? Like go and getting your autoblither circuitry tuned to not be so fucking annoying.

Randy

Nice to see you swear on every single post you make.

I'm more annoyed by your constant paranoid conspiracy theory posts you make often, and most of us hold our tongues over junk like that. I respect your freedom in doing that, but it seems you throw a fit whenever someone else posts something that doesn't meet your approval.

I'm done with squabbling now. Nothing positive can come of it. :)

[JacobLyles]

Just report the post and PM an admin.

[Revolution9]

Just report the post and PM an admin.

hahahahaaha! It won't work. I am a very familiar person to the mods. They know i have full justification for going after the clowns on this thread putting down my meetup group.. Since I am the FlagBearer it is my responsibility to defend them. My meetuop leaders point to me for the near monolithic support of RP in my area.

For a guy with only 57 posts you sure think you got shit figured out..

http://photos4.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/d/3/0/9/highres_2694025.jpeg

Randy

[V-rod]

Hahaha oh man

God Bless you, Revolution9

Just please try to reason at least on the first post before you cuss out people.

[noztnac]

I think it's rude for Giuliani to come to Georgia for the first time when he needs votes. He never gave a shit about Georgia until he needed something for himself.

[JacobLyles]

Ha, nice getup Revolution9. I would just like to see us be more civil towards people working in the same cause, is all. Sorry if I get upset at you.

[me3]

Yes.. And we are having RP at The State Capitol on February 2nd just a couple of days before the state Primaries.. We are currently pushing up into the foothills. The cool thing is that when we sign wave in my neighborhood on saturdays it is a day when the country folk ride down into Little Five Points to shop and look at the local color and characters. We get alot, I mean alot of honks from people with plates up in the mountain counties where internet is sparse. The black community here seems to have taken to him as far as single black men and families. the single black women do not seem interested in the literature..the caveat being the newer the car..LOL! . We have very old people with giant grins on their faces and carloads of young fist pumpers and hollerers. We truly do own central Atlanta and are pushing out past the burbs and into the rural areas. The Atlanta meetup rocks and has the greatest people. i would defend them with my life and sacred honor. I am the Revolutionary War guy and they gave me the Flag. i am honored to guard it and wave it. I NEVER EVER thought I would be proud to do such after my vehemence at the US guvmnt over the course of my adult life. It is truly amazing what Ron paul has done. Internally and externally and eternally.

Best Regards
Randy
Beautiful post. We need a Georgia update thread.

[JacobLyles]

Wish I was still in Atlanta. Sounds like a lot of fun you guys are having.

[fortilite]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=40590

[Corydoras]

maybe you don't want RP to win and I find your coddling of other candidates highly suspicious. WTF are you all here for??

We all are not accountable to you for explaining why we're here. You will have to put up with that. If our work for you is not sufficient for you, you will have to put up with that. If we are not sufficiently committed to Ron Paul for you, you will have to put up with that. Whine all you want like some old man in a nursing home about me telling you what to do. I am not your slave, but you are a slave to your emotions.

I haven't survived an assailant and the police and the courts just to come here and get yelled at by you. I'm with Ron Paul because I don't want the government to harass me, not because I want some private citizen like you to harass me instead.

If you think we want another candidate to win, what are you going to do about it, stalk us? Come to our homes and beat us up in front of our children? Bash in our car windshields? Do tell.